coulda, woulda, shoulda, now JJ and Chad rewrote the book.

@@johnnystek6900 if it wasnt for the chase, gordon would have 8 championships and jimmy would be a side note

Bradley Slusser ray evernham is selfish. We know that

@blueridgeboy you are almost correct ray didnt teach chad Chad went to and left hms to crew chief in 2001 and then came back when gordon called and Gordon owes the whole 48 team and the reason the 48 team worked good was gordon 01 and 02 cars that won races just with a different paint scheme that's why they started with a championship car when they started with 2 hungry guys that need to prove themselves

Ray evernham is the best crew chief ever in my opinion.

The NASCAR guy 24 24 dude if they would of stayed together there is no telling how many championships they would of won

The NASCAR guy 24 24 id say at the least 8 of em at the least

If they'd never went to the Chase Format, Jeff actually won 7 and possibly 8 Championships. NASCAR actually went to the Chase because Jeff was so dominant that NASCAR was losing viewers which equals money. Bill France actually had a closed door meeting with Evernham and told him they were no longer allowed to lead a race by more than 4 seconds because they were "stinking up the races and making them boring". When Jeff would get out to a 4 second lead, Ray would tell him to back it off. You can actually see the interview at "Undeniable with Joe Buck...The Jeff Gordon Interviews".

Ric H seriously im a huge jeff fan sen 3/4 of his wins an never new that

Go watch the Interviews, right here on KZfaq. They are very enlightening. If you pay attention you will find out just how Staged and controlled NASCAR really is. And I've been a Gordon fan for MANY years. I met him when he was a kid racing Quarter Midgets at Auburndale Speedway when I was running a Sportsman Car. I knew then he would be something special.

the floor itself wasn't lowered? it was just the change to softer front springs and harder rear springs that "set" the car in the corners better, in return lowering the car when it went into the turns. That's what I've heard in every other video anyways.

Michael Gilbert Yep

They want close racing, doesn’t matter how it’s done

Manual Clutch and now it’s single file racing with hardly any tough battles, leaders pulling away from the main pack. Its boring now. I haven’t watched a race sense 2008. I’ll stick to my local tracks where racing is still fun to watch

That’s why NASCAR ain’t doing too good. They do this every time something new comes out that whips everyone’s ass. They did it with the superbird and the charger Daytona, and they keep doing it to this day. It’s sad because NASCAR could’ve gone it a really cool direction if they allowed cars like these to do their thing.

@@Nikolai_The_Crazed I stopped watching when they introduced the play offs and new points system where they race for a dozen or so laps then stop then race another dozen or so laps then stop and repeats till the end of the race.

They’re laughing all the way to the bank. The France family and NASCAR is worth about $40 BILLION dollars.

same

Same!

Yup

unsolve crap.... I should have thought of that.

Really, how do you think Jimmie Johnson got a lot of his wins?

Not like ut mattered it was a non points race

That’s why nascar sucks now

@@musiccitymannn2781 Exactly. Its mentality sucks. Fanbase too. They hate winners and innovators.

Naz Idoura nascar sucks because they they drive in circles. You can only watch so much if that before you get bored. People are interested in IMSA and Indy car because the road courses. Very technical tracks

I don't think this was to stifle ingenuity, it was keeping them in check when the driver, crew chief, and now fabricators were driving the entire series, when just one or two of those was all they needed to win. Bill France seemed like the final person to lead NASCAR with a true vision for making races appealing to fans, and I think this was his intuition to step in and stop HMS from just lapping the competition and driving away fans. Hendrick had the ingenuity to push R&D from the early 90's, when maybe the only other team to start doing that was Alan Kulwicki's, because the owner-driver had an engineering background. I think this car was unfairly punished, but definitely in NASCAR's best interest to rewrite their rules. Key word in the exchange Ray recalled was "tomorrow", I think Ray downplayed it but they must have had a lot of subtle legal tweaks that were a greater sum than their parts. I think the big factor for France was how this came at a time when 24 was already bludgeoning its competition. Don't forget that the year after this they ran the most statistically dominant season in modern history.

Just Monika I think nascar would lose its mind if they did that😂

No way, need to see a 24 Doki Doki Literature Club paint scheme

Do a Jurassic World one.

oh hi Monika, didn't know you were a Nascar fan. lol

Well the Jurassic world the ride is coming to universal studios Hollywood this spring or summer

There were others throughout the history of the sport. Look what they did to the Chrysler Hemi's AND the winged cars themselves. ( The Plymouth "Super Bird" and the "Dodge Daytona". ) Totally out-lawed them. ( and I'm not even a Mopar guy........but the truth is the truth )......They say that even to this day, those tall wings did more to keep the cars planted and stay in control at high speed than any other design. With the winged cars, they could set the cars up "loose" on purpose ( a loose car WILL run faster, but it's on the verge of spinning out )......and as soon as the rear of the car would just about "come around" ( start to slide out of control ), that wing ( that wing was also totally adjustable by the way ) would catch the air and literally PUSH the rear of the car back where it was suppose to be. They say it was practically impossible to spin out of control with that tall wing alone. ( with decent tires, suspension and skilled driver of course ).........

@@howabouthetruth2157 And don't forgot that *DAMN OVERPOWERED* Ford Thunderbird of Bill Elliot. He was too fast, to the point of lapping EVERYBODY 2 LAPS AT TALLADEGA *UNDER GREEN* . Reason?, his crew chief and mechanic chief just made "a few tweaks" to increase the power of the car to nearly-950 HP, just an absurd amount of power for a cup car (back in that days, cup cars we're about 800 hp), back in those days, and even for today standards.

@@HirokaAkita Wasn't just the engine, although Erine Elliott is a god in Engine performance. They worked on Aero alot as well.

@@howabouthetruth2157 not true the fords dominated those superbirds and Plymouth winged cars. Look it up

@@HirokaAkita You think "it was all about Elliot's engine"? You're so far off, it ain't even funny. Bill Elliot's team hit on something that had only been used by Harry Gant's team some time before, back when Gant had his incredible dominant streak. No other teams knew about it. Elliot's team showed the inspectors what exactly they were doing to the car, to make it so much faster, or should I say: handle so much better on the super speedways, and the inspectors deemed it legal. But Elliot's team and nascar officials were under no obligation to share their secret........it would be up to all the other teams to figure it out for themselves. Toward the end of Elliot's dominant season, they finally shared their little secret with some of the other Ford teams, and they too, began running so much faster than everyone else. But during the off-season, someone on one of the other Ford teams leaked the secret, and by the beginning of the very next season, EVERY car had "the secret".......and you'll notice it put an end to Elliot's dominance. So what was this mysterious secret that the Elliot and other Fords had, that had only been used for a short while by Harry Gant some years before? Answer: A CAMBERED REAR END.

Tyler Kinsell the stupid part is that they followed the rules.

bleacherreport.com/articles/86701-jeff-gordon-flashback-t-rex-set-nascar-on-its-ear-with-1997-winston-win

Right and the guy said as much, but 7 or 8 tenths faster is an eternity as I'm sure you know.

Fred Ivory nascar was on the verge of peak popularity at this time...try again.

yea but france doing things like this help put it to where it is today bcus they didnt handle the boom of popularity w their racing/safety at all

NASCAR had been killing the better running engines & cars for decades. They totally out-lawed the Chrysler Hemi engines long before this incident. The reason NASCAR is all but dead now, is because they allowed the biggest greedy sponsors to literally take control over the way the whole sport was ran. They literally shit on all the long-time hardcore fans in order to try & attract every candy ass liberal who NEVER watched or even liked racing to begin with. Stupid, complicated rules that NOBODY understands, getting rid of HISTORICAL tracks such as Martinsville that offered exciting door handle to door handle racing, and replaced them with cookie cutter 1.5 mile tracks in areas not even known for stock car racing fan history, where the new tracks are boring as hell because nobody can run side by side on them. They even brought their liberal politics and shoved it down the throats of the fans and the teams. They tried to turn the perfect, most popular motor sport in history, into "the NFL on wheels". 500 mile races now broken down into "segments" or "heats" ( or whatever the hell they call it ). Grossly over-priced tickets to the races.......they even stripped the races from TV viewers by trying to force viewers into spending more money on "premium cable channels" that NOBODY wants to pay for. I can go on and on about the crazy, despicable shit they've done to destroy our beloved motor sport.

Martinsville? Got rid?

@@KurthardtJr and this is why you fail at life because that's the whole point. when you start making stupid ass rules like this you start degrading the sport you degrade the sport it starts to die that's exactly what happened and this is indicative of that! When you discourage Innovation within the rules you're clearly not understanding what the whole purpose of the sport is!

They weren't really unstoppable. They were the benefactors of nascars dumbass points system. They would have 4 championships under the original points system and Gordon would have 7.

Ray talking about springs and sway bars is probably a red herring

@@FdtTmOJHKPXQFMMkhIE Well the good crew chiefs knew how to use the 'slight of hand' very well. some would purposely rig up something illegal for officials to find more obviously, so they get that "Aha!" moment of finding the decoy, but overlook the real secrets the team wanted in the car... Chad Knaus famously got busted one yr at a plate race with illegal C-pillars on the car and they had t rip the back half of the roof off and re-do it. He got caught. But he learned to try that stuff from Ray. lol.

Still today the underside of these cars is critical to aero. The idea is to create ground effects without hydraulics.

@@FdtTmOJHKPXQFMMkhIE But springs and sway bars is how you lower and raise the ride height of the car on the track. The underside creates more ground effect.

Jeff was good but Dale Earnhardt is NASCAR's greatest driver ever

RC RACER 88 so how many races did Earnhardt won since 1994 once Gordon got started? Nascar changed a lot rules so Jeff wouldn't dominate as much, including the point system and playoff races

It was the Winston! Non points race

I think it happened at the roval

well.. look at the #5 car now 😂😂😂

This aged poorly lol. Btw the likes number....nice

They decided to ban it, just because: NASCAR Cup cars can't go over 210 mph without troubles, or over 195 mph in 1.5 - 2.0 mile tracks, they are just TOO HEAVY for that

F1 did the same thing with the fan car.

the car can or used to be able to the tires never could they overheat

At the time they raced the car it was legal ...once nascar saw what HMS did to build it they outlawed it because of competition

There's probably aspects of that car that hms still uses and keeps secret.....not so much now, but I bet Jimmie doesn't win 5 in a row without that car's development

It was legal but it scared nascar. Lol. That’s why it was banned

@@sdcfbhjnbfxgd2114 eh doubtful. That car was outdated as fuck by the time jimmie was winning championships. They are always pushing the edge of the rules/"cheating" though. Everyone in the sport at the top is.

@@fatpatlives1998 But what rule did they change to make it illegal?

That was NOTHING NEW back when that happened. NASCAR had been doing that crap to teams, engines, and cars for years. Look what they did to the Chrysler Hemi AND the winged cars. ( the Plymouth Super Bird and the Dodge Daytona ) TOTALLY out-lawed them........and this was STILL back when the cars could actually be bought from dealer lots by the public. By the time of Jeff Gordon's era.......those cars were NOTHING like what is found on a dealer's lot. You could literally walk into a dealer's lot and buy a brand new "Dodge Daytona" or "Plymouth Superbird" with the tall wing AND a Hemi engine........right off the show room floor. Of course they lacked the sheer horse power and racing suspension & roll cage........but still. I thought the winged cars look like shit, but today, they are worth close to a million dollars in good condition........the STREET CAR versions. They didn't make a whole bunch of them. And smart people bought them up, both new and used, back when a used one didn't cost much more than any other used car. Can you imagine being almost a millionaire due to buying a single USED car and taking good care of it over the years?

@@howabouthetruth2157 If you think the stock Daytona and Superbird shared anything in common with the race car other than maybe some body panels you are seriously mistaken. By the mid to late 60s nearly all stock cars were tube chassis cars with stock appearing body panels around them. They share more in common with modern stock cars than their street car counterparts at that time. Yes they looked stock but they were far from it.

@@LilSki3 I NEVER said "the whole car was factory stock" pertaining to the Dodge Daytona & Plymouth Superbird. And when I said "roll cage and......." I did forget to mention a tubular racing chassis. But the BODIES on those cars that WERE used in nascar racing WERE bodies ordered straight from Chrysler. Sure, they were tweaked here & there to fit the racing chassis, but the majority of these winged cars WERE factory stock bodies. Go look it up for yourself, and don't go implying I don't know what I'm talking about. And yes, they WERE the same body that you could buy from a dealer as a street car, aside from some tweaking to fit the modified chassis. After all, it was CHRYSLER.....NOT the racing teams........that did the aero testing to produce the winged cars to begin with. The Mopar teams of nascar played NO role in producing those winged bodies. The Mopar teams racing merely began their own testing which was a very short amount of time before the season began that year because Chrysler released them at the last minute, so to speak. That's why they were MUCH closer to what you could buy from a dealer's showroom floor. Look it up man. ALL teams in nascar were still getting STOCK BODIES from the auto manufacturers all the way up until 1980. The entire field from 1967 to 1980 were known as "the generation 2 cars" with STOCK BODIES on modified chassis. I do know what I'm talking about.

From the tidbits I read, they raised the floor pan of the car, which basically created a ground effect stock car. It created a tunnel of air that kept the car sucked down to the track, meaning any little adjustment Jeff made, the car went right there and stayed there.

@@zlinedavid I think the setup had a lot more to do with it instead of (or in conjunction with) any relocation of the sheet metal of the floor pan. Softer front springs and hard rear springs would cause a bit of an oversteer ("loose") balance normally, but the way they did it caused the front of the car to squat more at speed (with the force of the airflow at high speed) than the rear, and the angled "rake" of the floor pan acted in a similar manner to a mild diffuser, creating more downforce under the car.

@@jsquared1013 It’s probably a combination of all of the above. Softer front springs would create a wedge effect, which would only be enhanced by the air tunnels forming under the car.

America 9 did not know there were kinds of them I wonder what car I have

la la go fast car they don't run those cars

I know, they need to do it with arca cars

Arca is NASCAR now... so no thanks

lol arca is a joke

It’s my feeling, it’s more than just a set up. It takes an entire system i.e. the entire chassis system. To create something like that. You don’t just stumble upon the perfect set of bars springs and shocks. When you want to beat the best 42 teams

He told you they did what no one did before changed spring weights front to rear and sway bars, after this springs are regulated

@@RT22-pb2pp And that answers all your questions? Cuz I'm just getting started. I know there's allusions and hints, but this fable is worthy of an in-depth diatribe. As I said elsewhere, this story is worthy of a book and a movie. Like Darrell's magic bumper and the perfectly timed exploding engine, this dirty little ditty has gained legendary status. p.s. Somebody tell Ron Howard to do a feature length film on Curtis Turner and the early days of NASCAR. After leading a larger than life on-the-edge existence, CT flying into the mountain is a perfect ending to a great bio-pic. Everything before that is up for discussion (Except the liquor landing. That alone will drive all the trailers and previews...) Sorry to get off track, but seriously, a Curtis Turner focused Early Nascar movie is a no-brainer...(did I mention the Teamsters and the Union bid? Google It!)...

The Winston non points race in late 90s, 97 or 98 I believe

He's saying that this car was built to fully take advantage of the rules as they were at the time, so the were eking out every available advantage that they could get. Also at that time in NASCAR there weren't a lot of engineers working on the car to get the cars perfect, so any engineering advantage you could get was massive

Yes he does intimitly

Because then one team would dominate and that would make for bad TV. Bad TV means lower ratings and lower ratings mean less advertising money, which is what ultimately matters to NASCAR.

@zlinedavid I understand that, I wasn't thinking it's a realistic possibility that they would do. That would just be my own ideal ruleset.

The rickest rick of them all?

It wasn't a secret

A level playing field helps determine who the best driver is. Otherwise, you get the Formula One problem of "who can spend the most money?"