😂😂😂good one, he thinks he is so important

He is an actor....and looked terrified of Lydon.

I loved his ripping into the Ramone guy 😁

Yep

Then he should've stayed the fuck home

I just watched that panel before coming here and I'm glad someone else noticed, Johnny looks like a broken man in that video you can see it in his eyes and his mannerisms. As for Henry If it was that much of an issue for him he shouldn't have sat there silent like a pussy then go round speaking like this afterwards. Makes him look like a coward.

He has no cool. He probably doesn't know what it means to love someone beyond his childish hero worship left over from being a teenager with no friends.

Johnny having gay sex while his wife is dying what a drunk failure

@@ronofthesea5953 Like you? Must hurt...

Its worth pointing out that British "humor" is a generational level of arrogance that many follows men British men of that era

@@velvetinedrapes4359 The generational level of arrogance is not exclusively a British trait. Thousands of cultures worldwide are similarly afflicted in believing their penis is bigger than everyone else's... particularly Americans, who love to ram it down everyone's throat every chance they get, that THEIR country is the "greatest in the world!" I'm in no way disputing USA's claim... I have no jingoistic notion in the slightest when it comes to global penile protrusion measurement, and could care less about drunken patriotic flag-shagging, however going back to your original point, I totally agree that UK citizens suffer from a spectacularly unhealthy self-deprecating nihilistic "own worst enemy" sense of confrontational humor which borders on projected self-harm. However it must be stressed that British humor (in my experience & perception) is not solely arrogant... is light years away from being one dimensional and has a multitude of different facets depending on which area it's born. It's all subjective & I truly believe that each member of the panel that night were there for a damn good reason, in that they each played a significant part in contributing to their pocket of the punk genre of music, so it's all good as far as I'm concerned. 😉

Oh geez. Poor dude.

I'm glad he did that, at least. Without a doubt, Lydon's behaviour that night was not cool, but Rollins - being empathetic as he is - should be able to look at the wider context of the situation and recognise Lydon was most probably someone in the depths of emotional pain at the time and just kind of lashing out, and not just lay into him. If Lydon had been sober and not had an ailing wife, he'd probably still have been a dick, but maybe at least waited his turn to speak.

Johnny taking pole on his wife’s death bed is shameful

@@markieffmorris9263 John was dealing with the street of his wife illness .Keep in mind, John's dad died a couple years before too and his brother had cancer too. John unfortunately dealt with this by drinking . He has said he later used alcohol to deal with problems.

@@christophernash1846 I understand but it doesn’t excuse his behavior. Don’t volunteer for speaking engagements you can’t handle.

and imagine - the founder of the Rollins Band criticizing John Lydon.

I said that he's a prick, but a big cranky kid And all he talked about was politics Buff from lifting cars and he don't like girls no more 'Cause Henry Rollins is no fun Henry Rollins is no fun Henry Rollins is no fun, just ask my mom

i never met a punk that wasn't a drunk nasty hypocritical slob by 40. and while henry isn't a drunk he's by far one of the nastiest people i've ever met. Coming from 30+ years in the music industry, starting off as a punk.

Nope! We don’t “put up with” Johnny. We appreciate him for ALWAYS being honest and telling the truth, and NEVER selling out. Unlike the millionaire Henry Rollins who’s a fake moron! Henry is part of the system - Johnny is not and never has been!

Punks don't sell out - Lydon was always a sell out pretending to be a punk

@SuperMickyChow Johnny Lydon never sold out, which is why he wasn't interested in the Sex Pistols movie. It was his ex bandmates that sold out.

Exactly!

@@Guitarcope he advertised butter ffs...

@@SuperMickyChow At least it was butter and not margarine.

Probably the reason they did it.

You can find the video of the incident online as well.

Just search John Lydon vs Marky Ramone and you will find it. I thought it would be entertaining but It’s pretty sad actually. Lydon was beyond drunk and emotionally distressed with his wife’s illness. He shouldn’t have been out in public that night and definitely not being filmed for a documentary promo.

@@CFarnwide I agree , It was sad. I had to turn it off.

As it fucking should be. And Rotten was right about that Danny Boyle directed debacle based on Jones' book. Love the Pistols forever, true gamechangers but I don't suffer from Pistols derangement syndrome. Rotten has become a political idiot, Jones shills for the 12 Steps. Loved Black Flag Rollins/Ginn and Rollins solo, great live shows. But Henry has turned into Bill Maher. We still have the music, that's what counts.

@@walkerstark4564”Political idiot” ?

No he’s a political superstar calls fkn Marxist ideology out for what it is !!

Gotten over ? No problem with Johnny he should be seen and heard more often !

True. Thats what put me off him. He is an intelligent guy and I like the Pistols but he goes from saying punk was all a joke and a face etc etc to reminding everyone he "gave them" punk and they've got him to thank for it. Then he appears as a guest on a talk show and takes center stage even when he's got 3 other guests beside him

😂😂😂

Lydon couldn't tell you the name of one Black Flag song if his wife's life depended on it. His knowledge of the US punk scene could be written on the back of a postage stamp.

@@rrbh his knowledge of the uk punk scene was also minimal at best, he was on a panel with penny from crass for 4 music and when the question about how crass fitted in with the uk punk scene he went on and on as if penny wasn't there, you could see john robb who was the chair's eyes rolling.

Lydon was not wrong.

The man can use that as an excuse, but civility counts for a lot. It doesn't mean that you can use any public forum to use your personal life as a vent for your dirty laundry

​@@mroldnewbieYeah, still, they ripped off a lot of the New York look and sound

Don't forget he also raised his step daughters (Ari) children after she died , he has been lippy, confrontational...but he has also shown us how a GOOD man acts when it comes to caring about people and he definitely stepped up. I hate his political direction now but I still have mad respect for him.

@@emptyemptiness8372 yes was just going to say that also the money he has given away over the years to children’s orphanages and many children’s charities , I do like his political views he dislike’s Marxist ideology and the fools that go along with it , he explains it much better than I can

Yeah word. Now that you mention it, Johnny kinda made all those other dudes look like they weren't punk. It was more like, "Whoa, this dude is being wild. He's making me uncomfortable." Versus, "Ah yes, my old punk days. Let's throw a chair together." And who picked the interviewer? That guy was terrified, trying his damndeset to manipulate Johnny back into a confortable norm (like your typical school teacher), with his big rounded face looking soft as hell. Much respect to Marky Ramone; it seems like a good punk conference could use some tense back-and-forth.

have you seen the event he's talking about, its hillarious, Johnny Rotten is far out that day

Well, apparently he’s been suffering for 40 years, because he’s been making an ass out of himself for that long. Maybe blame his handlers and whatever friends he might have instead of a guy who was just trying get something done in a professional situation.

A good album? More like three-four perfect albums. And a bunch of good ones, afterwards. Should The Ramones sing about attacking the British government? I don't understand what you are saying. Also, why didn't Johnny quit PiL then, after first two records, instead of putting out crap for longer that The Ramones were active?

@@1985cactus Obviously, we all have differing outlooks and tastes. It's the lyrics which make the difference, the Ramones were traditionalists indulging themselves with relationship problems, whereas the likes of the Sex Pistols had a deeper dimension. Why would an American band sing about the UK government, when they have enough evil within their own? As for Lydon, ask him. I cannot answer, but I do agree he should have quit after Album, but he may have desired more mainstream appeal thereafter.

I don't think Henry knew he was being filmed here. From what I seen, I thought Duff and Henry were aware that he's drunk, he's a punk legend with no filter so they knew what to expect. But now he's talking about how he called johnny out, grabbed his fingers and would have knocked him out, what? he was laughing the entire time and backing away everytime Johnny gave a response, you can even see on the video he is indeed holding his fingers and that's because he's filming him smiling.

Quite pathetic doing some kind of lecture about the thing, at least Lydon was doing this in public with all parties there.

@@likkidixx Someone asked Henry about it, he explained his PoV, it's not that deep

I bet everyone else was too, interviewees and audience. Except one.

Henry is the guy who thinks he knows more than everyone in the room

at least on music....

Just ask him

He mostly knows how to lecture and is a master of holier than thou. I appreciate him, but there's snobbishness in his act and presentation. He's not the final word on people that he judges, and he only appears to think through music itself, which is fine, but there's real people behind that music, that might be different to him.

Facts, definiltely got the fragile ego in that realm@@SenserAwe

They're both brilliant

They both suck.

I think I would have acted the same as Rotten if I had to sit with Henry and his chums.

Given that he's 5ft8 we all know how that insecurity manifests....

​@@cd0u50c9So guys who are 5" 8 and under can't fight? Really? Mate I'm 5"6 and i can handle myself I had to because i got bullied..so yeah small guys aren't to be underestimated.

Marky Ramone, and Marky Ramone's wig... 2 different personalities haha...

That is not true at all. Rollins is way outta line.

​@@matthewramey5677Was a weird swipe wasnt it? Especially as Rambo was aplogising.. It just came off really weird if it was an attempt at humour... "aha look he's gay"... Like it really came off like that.. He had to have known (since) how ill Nora was at the time..John was under a lot of stress, as anyone who's dealt with that disease will know. Maybe it was a joke that fell flat...it just didnt feel like that.. Felt like he was tryina "out" something.. "Not cool" to use Henrys own words.

That's weird cause he has some many closeted gay rumors.

True but he’s a trump supporter now. No excuse for that.

​​@@kingofallwhiteswtf has that got to do with his wife having alzheimer's disease ? You yanks dont know shit. Hence the reason trump was your president.

​@@kingofallwhiteswhy what's wrong with that

@acidbathspaandresort815 who you talking to?

​@@kingofallwhitesno excuse for you vermin

Where did he get the idea that they were "lovers"?

@@allanmoorhead9492 I saw the video and Rollins was all laughing and smiling didn't say a word when it happened. In America they still use calling someone gay or their lover as a slur or a put down. Which I thought Rollins was way beyond but no he's a fake too

@@matthewramey5677 It's used as a slur everywhere.

@@allanmoorhead9492 He was joking. By "lover" he meant personal surrogate. Rollins said that he was basically his baby sitter.

@@matthewramey5677 He was referencing his dependency on this handler. You can climb down off the ledge now.

Funny but you hear so many different stories about Johnny...sometimes he's an absolute darling, sometimes not... I think in recent years perhaps he has become a much kinder person.

Met him 20 years ago, very off as was his even more off pal Rambo. My sister met him a couple of times in punk era London too, found him funny and interesting first time , second time his mates and him were causing bother in a Chelsea pub, different person she said. As Glen Matlock said, "funny kettle of fish is John." Aye!!

Since the normal societal expectation is friends and conversation indicate success, I'm hoping next time I go to a party no one talks to me, and maybe you haven't experienced the thrill of being truly honest with someone and not giving a shit.

@ColinMorganTeacher I make it a point to be straightforward, and honest with people. You can do that without being a prick. Funny though this video wasn't about me, so I can't understand why your comment was.

@@dougrussell1926 Because you said about Johnny, among other things, "He was a huge snob, and was annoying everyone." Now, everyone has their off days, but Johnny is also a free thinker who seems to be close to the pinnacle of not giving a shit, so maybe he realized that everyone at your brother's party were the type of assholes who would say something mean about someone and then act live a victim who was living in the righteousness of "straighforwardness"

Also his brother had cancer , and his dad died too a couple years ago.

He completely derailed the interview in a successful attempt to make it all about himself. Which is on brand, but disappointing nonetheless. When will we ever have these kinds of peers all on one room where you could get points of view from all over the punk historical spectrum, and instead it just became one man’s improv show. I know he was going through it, but it just bums me out that the moment didn’t get to happen.

That is all very sad and I wouldn't wish that on anyone, but it is overlooking the fact that John Lydon has done this all of his life.

Lydon's got genuine charisma the event would have been a complete yawn without him

@mattrussell8654 he's always been obnoxious, it was a major part of his shtick, I wouldn't necessarily class that as charisma, but different strokes for different folks

One of the things that Henry keeps saying that always makes me cringe is: "I come from the blue-collar working world." The guy had a couple of service jobs as a teenager... like every teenager does... but his father (while an asshole) was a college professor, and he's spoken about how his mother was a high-flying executive in DC. He went to a private military school. His upbringing may have sucked, but he's always been middle-class, and the punk/hard-core movement in the US was dominated by well-off, white suburban kids.

What's anarchic about being Trump supporter?

He’s fkn brilliant recognising trump !! Good on him and not falling for Marxist nonsense oh cool to be a leftist fake john is antiestablishment the left have become that establishment

@@iachtulhu1420 That guy who's considered a bogeyman by the entire media and political establishment but is liked by working class Americans?

Punks on Pizza Podcast episode 15

He was also peak edge by saying 'f**k Trump' - how punk is that in 2019!

@@cd0u50c9 Johnny Ramone would have been mad if he was still alive hahaha

That actually made me chuckle. Though I doubt many will get it.

"a punk is someone who takes it up the ass"

I'll take all four, thanks.

hahahahaha. best description ever.

Still more Punk than your manufactured boy band

How would the video show whether or not he almost got up?

@@WeTubule videos show someones internal monologue dont you know that?

He's the opposite of cool

This video was shot after his wife had passed BUT the incident Henry's speaking of regarding the Q&A was shortly before his wife passed. Johnny gets a call in the middle of the Q&A and explains his wife is very sick so he needs to take it.

Oddly completely the opposite for me.

He's rad isn't he

Being a moron? Sure

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make an ass out of yourself? i thought punk was genre of music.

He called M Ramone for what he was a second edition not original member 😂 Johnny is and always as been un conformist that’s what he was displaying but at a very difficult sad time in his life and also happened to be pissed out of his mind , only a real prick would use that debate make himself feel riotous and important condemning someone worth ten of himself

Rollins is talking about the panel where they were all seated but also the instances before and after the session.

That’s what Danzig thought too

Right on.

Johnny never liked to share the limelight with other bands though, and made a project of being snide to boot. After his early years he ended up quite a lot like McLaren who he apparently despised.

"Iggy, today, I've selected for you: no shirt and an old pair of jeans. Looking to tomorrow, the outfit will be... no shirt, and let's say... an old pair of jeans."

One of the funnier commets i read here.

Thank you!!!!!!!

There is one human alive who loves to hear his own voice more than Henry Rollins. John Lydon.

I mean, there's John Lydon.

True but he wasn't there.

@@boshmow3600 I mean, it would be kind of shitty for him to accept the money and not talk.

Puuuuhhhhh.

You said it! John Lydon s a fucking MAGA now. I guess if you marry a rich lady you don't care about poop people anymore.

That is not Johnny .He realized who the establishment is has changed.

@@natemendsen1629 that's exactly what I was getting At.

@@ashd-h4911 Read ya wrong...Very good....

@@ashd-h4911 Try explaining that to people who think that punk aligns with a political ideology of any kind...

You are completely right. He made it interesting. Plus he was going thru a lot at home and was drunk and he still managed to be the most entertaining one there

Are saying he's embellishing here?

@@WeTubule well for one example, it was actually Henry who initiated the handshake with Rotten ... check the video of the press conference

@@adamwright4135one small error on who “initiated a handshake” is apparently embellishing a story I suppose? LOL

@@AsherReedsounds like you need to look up the definition of “embellishment” LOL

Henry Rollins is a self obsessed prick

John Lydon -an upstanding fellow when sober and happy. A total jerk when drunk or upset. Like quite a lot of us.

@@paulwally9007 Exactly. Turns us all into the same obnoxious asshole (if not immediately, eventually).

Called his handler gay and said he thought about punching him

​@@matthewramey5677 John Rambo is not gay

@@danielcollinson4456 yeah I know Henry shoulda try saying that to Rambo's face

How is Henry a narcissist and Johnny isnt

Lol. The most incorrect assessment of Henry Rollins ever. Man is as humble as they come. Being confident is not being a narcissist, genius.

@@revwillyg6450 Slightly humble now days being off steroids and a shell of himself so he has no choice plus a guilty conscious about the reality of what happened to his roommate...

Johnnys a real punk not a far left leg humper that just talks nowadays. Black flag overrated af too

@@hovertrout1 you can't leave the comment there! Do tell

that's simply because the man *is* a negative *and* disappointing experience

Not me. It was great meeting him. He was very nice.

They were a footnote in Rock N Roll history. A completely insignificant band. Even that lame documentary about them from a few years back didn't help raise their profile one bit. In the grand scheme of things, nobody gave two shits.

@@Demoniac_78 wronger than two boys fuckin, lots of punk fans know about them. Im not a punk fan and know about them so that dont say much about your opinion.

They are awesome. Truly inspirational material