I like the videos where you can tell that Doug could talk for hours and hours about a certain topic and it would still be interesting

My theory on the ‘undesirable’ bit: when new they were undesirable from those who could afford them..but were wanted by those who couldn’t afford them (specifically young people). Fast forward ten or twenty years and now those young people have careers and money and can acquire them

the LC 500 is one of my obtainable dream cars right next to the 997. I would love to own one before they stop depreciating. I got lucky with my S2000 before they really started taking off, and the 997 is next on my list. I definitely agree that the LC is gonna take off at some point!

I owned an '07 Lotus Elise for 11 years and sold it for $5K more than I paid for it. Recently bought an Evora. Hopefully it does the same. The irony is that I could've bought a boring everyday car and lost all of its value in that time.

The things enthusiasts look for in a new car are not the same as that they want in an older one. With new cars, you want the most horses, latest tech, coolest looks. This is evident even in Doug's reviews, where he makes a big deal about whether the new WRX has enough of a power bump or how well the latest hot hatch compares to its competitors on features and price. But all of that ceases to be a factor in 20 years. Then it doesn't matter if the car had 250 or 280 HP at when it was new, and the competitor had more. It doesn't matter whether it looks cooler than its contemporaries, because nobody even remembers what it was competing against. If you buy an ugly M3 today, your friends will make fun of you for not buying something better looking. In 20 years there will have been dozens of uglier cars. Even if the M3 is still thought as ugly, it'll be cozy ugly, not offensive ugly. In 20 years, people want good vibes. They want something they new cars don't have anymore. Something that speaks to them. When buying a new car, you can choose from a handful of models in the segment you're looking in. Brand A, B or C. You want this year's model, or maybe you'll settle for last year's if there's a good discount. And you want a good deal, so why would you pay 10% more for a car that reviews say has less power or lacks some tech feature? But buying an old enthusiast car, you have so much more choice. Different years, different segments. Just pick your budget and go. Find something that's you. Buy something that nobody else has. Something from a past videogame. Something your mom drove you to school in. Something with flaws, character, stories, soul. Something worth loving. An old car doesn't have to compete anymore. It can be appreciated for what it is.

The Lexus LC500 is a gorgeous car. They definitely will shoot up in value once people realise it looks ahead of its time, has the NA V8 and the stylish interior fit and finish.

These kinds of videos are interesting to watch, if for nothing more than a change of pace from the typical reviews. 👍

Doug doesn't seem wrong a lot... And it continues here. He's great at giving good auto predicitions and I wish I could get his advice on my next purchase

When the LFA came out I made $15 an hour. If I could have bought one I would have. Jeez Doug I couldn't afford 95% of those examples even if I had a time machine and knew they raise by 1000% in value.

There's a big difference between loving one of these cars and being one of the people that was actually in the market to buy one when it was new. There could be a million people who love a car but if that group does not overlap with the people that can afford it, it's not going to sell well. I always wanted a Lotus Elise, but couldn't afford one. Now that I could actually afford one, they no longer sell them, and the used market is 2-3x the price they were brand new.

I also believe modern cars that you can purchase “without” all the safety features will go up in value. A vehicle that doesn’t have automatic emergency breaking, road keep assist will have value in the future. Once the government mandates these features, and makes them impossible to turn off, older cars without them will go up in value.

One of my favorite Doug videos. He came correct and I could listen to him talk about this for hours

I agree with most of the predictions, especially with the "new" NSX, I have always liked that car and it blows my mind that they aren't popular.

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Anyone watching in 2046 ???

I belive Doug missed the Ferrari GTC4LUSSO/Ferrari FF but mainly the Lusso. It's a Naturally aspirated V12 with close to 700hp and 4 SEATS! It has a quirky design and isn't liked by that many. I truly belive that the lusso will become an incredibly desired Ferrari in the future.

I agree on the LFA. I was 16 when it came out and it was still a pinup car for me. But I have to think.. if I had the financial means to purchase one new, I don't think I would have. I'd go straight to a Ferrari dealer and order a 458, and save some money in the process.

I was surprised when Doug mentioned the “Lj” two door wrangler unlimited, I bought mine in 2012 for 8k and it was my first car. It had 94k miles and looked like it hadn’t been off-road in its live. I still own it and have modified it a little bit (suspension, tires, steel bumpers, winch, lights) it currently has 122k and I’ve been offered up to 25k for it. I was surprised for the number and even tempted but it was my first car and I plan to keep it for ever

Collectors always want the rarest versions of something. As long as the demand stays consistent, as time goes along the supply available decreases and the price to acquire them increases. The cars mentioned have great fundamentals, are more scarce than normal due to poor sales, and provide nostalgia for those that were there during the production days. Great video, I love hearing about these kind of topics.

I always wanted an LFA from the day I saw it featured on Top Gear. I was never a fan of the Lexus badge, but I fell in love with the digital display (back when it was new and cool) and the amazing engine sound. I still can’t afford a $400k car, but given the option back in the day, I honestly probably would’ve opted for a Lamborghini or Ferrari over the LFA, regardless of how much I liked it. I never realized that sales were that bad, but I guess it’s not surprising, there were just better options.

The OG Tesla Roadster deserves a mention. Not widely bought when new, got a lot of hate, mostly forgotten now. Prices however have climbed back up a lot recently. I predict low mileage examples will fetch close to a million in 10-15 years. Why? An entire generation of kids love electric cars because of how fast they are and the tech they have. That same generation of kids are growing up with SpaceX, seeing them blast a Tesla Roadster into space and changing the way we look at space travel. The OG Tesla Roadster will be seen as the beginning of a new era in technology.

Is it manual? Is it in any good computer games? Has it featured in any film/TV? Does it look good? Is it rare? My predictions have all jumped in value.

When I read the title, I knew the Honda/Acura NSX must be on the list! Great talk Doug 💯

Thanks Doug, that was very informative. A solid theory I agree with.

I agree with your assessment, two additional points: Many of these cars sold poorly originally because they cost too much for what they were. Then because they were unpopular they became cheap and modified or abused, and even further reduced their numbers.

I feel like with the new enthusiast cars the tech will play a bigger role. with those older 90s and 00s cars the tech wasn't significantly different from say the late 70s, with the difference being maybe the type of music interface. However, with cars released in the last couple of years you get screens and features that might seem extremely old in only a decade, and when 25+ years rolls around might even be unusable save for really dedicated enthusiasts. With those cars that have just a giant screen for most of their controls, would it become necessary to be a hobbyist programmer in order to work on them?

Thanks for sharing your insights. I'd add to your list the Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio. It was a halo car, costing more to make than they sold for, but what a fine car.

I remember the first time I saw the BMW 8-series, it was in an issue of Car Audio and Electronics magazine. I don't remember which one, but it had to have been something from the mid-90's as I was into car audio long before I ever was even into cars. But I saw this gorgeous-looking 8 series, a BMW unlike anything I had ever seen before, and I was blown away by how awesome it looked! Of course, Doug is absolutely right, the reason why I hadn't seen one before is that they were NOT selling well and there were none in my area. Then later on, when I was living on Guam a friend of mine actually bought a V12 8-series and I got to drive it. It was a lot of fun. That was a very cool car even with an automatic, and I would still love to own one myself. Unlike a lot of cars that you eventually get to experience years after having lusted for it, this car really didn't disappoint me in any way. It was quick, but certainly not fast, but that wasn't really the point anyway.

I remember in the mid 90’s going with my dad to a BMW dealership and seeing a purple 8 series on the lot. It was the first $100k car I ever saw. I was probably 9-10 at the time and couldn’t comprehend a car costing that much since at the time the family car was a manual escort wagon. Always been a dream car of mine.

Around here, the LFA's were bought by dealers and they refused to sell them due to allocations. To this day I bet there's at least five dealers that own one in the showroom.

I actually liked this opinion. I forgot all about the BMW i8. The whole time I was thinking that the Acura NSX will definitely come back and I was thinking about the Lexus GSF. Impractical new but can really bring the nostalgia from an era with turbos, bi-turbos and superchargers becoming popular. The LC500 is another great one and I'd def like the opportunity to own one someday.

Great epizod Doug , thank you.

One of my bold predictions is the 350 and 370z. They are dinosaurs during their own product run, manual, analog, very reliable and most of them will be modded and destroyed by kids, so in 15-20 years they will be very desirable and hard to find cars that are the last of the “old school” gasoline sports cars of their time.

Sales numbers don’t lie. Most Doug has mentioned are higher end expensive vehicles. Not so many average priced vehicles. The Superbird I remember on a dealership lot up on a pedestal with a ramp. Set in the front corner of their lot. Thinking was great NASCAR car but who’d want to have that huge wing? I could not talk my father into purchasing one, not a businessman’s car and you have to realize young people didn’t have that $$ , no making $ on non existent internet

I agree wholeheartedly with the BMW 8 series!! I found one of those less than 4 years ago for less than $19k and in fantastic condition truly I knew it was one that would eventually skyrocket... Agree especially on the Chevy SS I had no idea what it was equipped with until I watched your review and I was blown away with the options, driver aids and goodness, the power that it was hiding under the hood!! I also wonder if the last BMW NA M3(I think like '08-'13 not straight six) could be a big one that becomes desirable.. In a world of everything Turbo'd from sports cars to minivans, a High revving, 4.0liter, NA V8 with 414HP, 6-speed manual (DCT was optional) seems like just the ingredients for something that'll be cherished... Last, but not least, the 2011-2014 Cadillac CTS-V Sport Wagon with a manual!!!!!! Bro, the epitome of limited run with only 514 were built in that 4 year span I honestly cannot in good conscience believe this one got left off your list.... But, def a fantastic and thought provoking list!!!!

I saw a 4C today, I always think of at it as a significant car, one of my favorites for how light it is

Personally, I think any V-series Cadillac with a manual transmission will appreciate in value. Still can't afford one now but hope springs eternal.

Im going to argue doug on this to a degree, while a lot of the cars may have been unpopular in their day saleswise, to a lot of people who grew up with them in games and by watching top gear and stuff, they were extremely loved and popular culturally, they didnt sell because most of us weren't old enough to buy cars, now that we are older and have jobs that pay us decently enough, the prices have followed along as more and more of us are getting old enough and earning enough money to buy these cars

Great video dug, the "car market" is such a fun part of being a car enthusiast. It's like watching how pokemon cards go up in value for us people who don't care for them we all ask "why is that valuable? It's just an old card?" But for the people who are into the game, they get all excited about it.

Really interesting view and I do mostly agree. And I even would go so far (at this point of the economy) that some of the cars have for sure the potential to outpace the stock market and real estate. However one part hasn’t been touched which will have a huge impact: environments legislative! If there is a dramatic shift what kind of cars you will be able to (reasonably) drive, you will feel a huge difference in cars which will be desirable. It won’t have so much an impact in collectors cars (like the Acura NSX) but it will have an effect in rather cars which are produced in greater numbers. Like Lexus’ etc. also something like a luxury goods tax might be a killer for the values.

Great video! I truly feel nice higher end examples of the current Dodge Charger will be collectible in the future. It’s such a polarizing vehicle because it’s a four door (not true to the original) and people either love them or absolutely hate them

Hard to mention manual 355 / 360 without also including the Gallardo with a manual. Fewer Gallardos were produced than 360s and believed to be only 300 of the gated V10s in the US.

This is one of the best car videos I’ve ever watched! Thank you!

I remember a S2000 CR at a local dealer that sat there for almost a year. It wasn’t that they weren’t appreciated. It was really expensive when at the time you could get used ones for far less. People didn’t buy them because of the price to benefit. Now that’s the one people want because it is the best version they made.

I’ve been in sales at a GM dealership for 10 years. The SS had a 20% discount at one point. Yep, $10k off. That one hurts!

Last generation Toyota Celica with the TRD kit and 6 speed manual with the high revving Yamaha engine. These look really cool and sound great. Also the last generation MR2 Spyder

What always blows my mind about Doug is that he can read off stats, quirks, and features in a review without reading from anything. When it comes to a video in his garage, he’s constantly looking at his laptop when talking about things coming from what he knows

Interesting video, thanks for making great content. I think there's a nostalgia factor in there - I thought the BMW 8 series was cool as can be when it was new, but at the time I could barely afford gas money for my 79 Cutlass so my opinion really didn't help the fine folks at BMW. Now I'm in a place where maybe I could buy myself a modern classic, and yep that's a car I would still love to have. I suspect a whole bunch of today's muscle cars will become collectible as the last gasp of internal combustion performance - Chargers, Challengers, Mustangs, Camaros - even the Durango. And I'll bet the trend of the end of the run being most valuable will continue, as the tech has improved immensely over the past 10 years.

The few cars I can imagine this happening to - Lexus F cars and LC500. The NA V8 with insane reliability, and the LC500 is pretty undervalued already. Also the Prowler. Moderately low mileage examples regularly trade for $30k. Bonded aluminum experiment with a decently reliable 3.5 V6 that can sound ok imo (or hemi swap it). Very few open wheel vehicles that are street legal. Also eventually/hopefully the 944 Turbo's Japanese counterparts. I have a blast in my Mitsu Starion - $7k for a turboed 4cyl, leather, manual, under 100k miles, no major issues. I prefer the 944 in looks but mine is not far behind.

I'm really happy the Chevy SS is finally getting some love from enthusiasts. My father got to take a test drive in one, and man that car was absolutely stellar. He didn't end up buying it due to not being able to get a good deal with the dealer, though.

This video shows just how knowledgeable you are. I own an LC 500. It will indeed be as collectible as you say.

Great video Great information

thanks for the video Doug, just what we need more and more people hyper focused on buying cars for pure investment purposes instead of driving them. thanks again!

Doug, not kidding I always loved the Lexus LFA, when it was on the cover of Car and Driver and they had all the engineering and technical data, I wanted one, plus I thought they looked great, not as nice as your retro 2006 Ford GT, but great in my eyes. I would have bought one if I had the cash back when they came out. Still have the poster framed, I also have a framed poster of the 2006 Ford GT from the Ford dealership. Truthfully, I love the new second generation Acura NSX which is sadly discontinued, again if I had 150 grand to spare I would buy one. I like you have an eye for cars, I just don't have the deep pockets for the LFA's, NSX's and Ford GT's. Until I hit the lottery, I will live with my small collection of cars I like that I can afford. Love my 2017 Lincoln Continental all wheel drive, love that car, they never should have stopped making them, my 2010 Suzuki Kizashi SLS all wheel drive which is also great car, my 2006 Subaru Legacy special edition obviously all wheel drive, and of course my sought after 1998 Chevy C/K 1500 W/T pick up truck, 4x4 of course. Buy the way, Love your Ford GT great car, you got it at the right time. Always will look and sound amazing, timeless design.

Good stuff, Doug

Soon as this video started I thought the LFAs gotta be on this list! I expect the CT5 blackwing manual will be well desired in the future

doug with another banger

I really hope this doesn’t bite me in the future. I’m just 17 but I still want my own 1987 C4 Corvette with less than 50k miles before their prices soar to the moon

I agree with Doug's viewpoints. I remember hearing a story where a man bought Hemi Cudas, zr1 Camaro's, Boss 429 etc, when they were just used cars in the early 70s and now they trade hands for millions!

There's a difference between "unpopular at the time" and "I liked that car at the time". Several on Doug's list appealed to me then and now - just wish I had a place to keep such animals and keep them in good shape / maintain them. "Collector car" speculation is usually a loosing game - only collect cars if you can afford to loose on them - sometimes though you do win.

This is so true. I remember Lexus still trying to sell new 2014 LFAs in 2018. I never thought it would ever be appreciated. Lexus already lost money on every LFA they sold so it must've been brutal when very few customers were buying it.

Honestly as an enthusiast I really did always love the BMW 8 series. My problem was that I was too young and too poor to actually buy one

my predictions on future classics: 1) Fiat 124 Spider Regardless Abarth or not, its basically a MX-5 underneath so it’s gonna be reliable and could be easy to maintain. I know it’s a unpractical car but it wasn’t meant to be anyway, and my unpopular opinion is that it looks better than the MX-5 equivalent. 2) Lotus Elise/Exige It’s simple and reliable with the Toyota underpinnings. Prices are not extremely expensive but eventually it will be one of the all time greats. 3) Mercedes S63/65 AMG COUPÉ Yes, specifically the coupé as when it came out, no one really bought one coz it was too expensive but with the space, power and amenities, they WILL be appreciated in times to come

love it, thanks for the vid sir - I nearly bought an FJ but got a Mazda3 sport 5dr instead because of the better gas mileage and I had a 20 mile commute at the time... Interesting about the 911 Speedsters and manual Ferraris...

I’ll have to throw a car in the list there. The 2016-2020 Lexus GSF. I recently just bought one as a new daily but I noticed that all the ones listed for $40-45k during the pandemic in 2020 are now 60-80k for a 2016-2020 with some as high as $100k used. I only got lucky with mine with my work discount. Def more fun and sexier than the IS500 F Performance.

My prediction for a future classic: Abarth 124 (sales fail, over-shadowed by MX-5, didn't make many, but is still a great fun RWD, manual, lightweight sports car- something that wont exist in years to come!)

This is literally my dream garage, each and every car ( except the Jeep Wrangler). Spot on Doug.

GTRs have already gone up in Australia. Was looking to get one of these a little later on, 08 models were going for 80K but now are about 120K. With no more GTRs being allowed in Australia I think the price of them will keep going up.

Lexus LFA sitting for years is an understatement. In 2020, there were still ones that were never sold in the US.

C7 Zr1 prices are insane right now.

There’s two of those old m8 (both black I think) collecting dust in an underground lot in downtown Winnipeg. With a silver NSX

Great video, very informative... I saw an '03 Cobra Mustang selling at Dealership for $32,500 w/68k miles... I wonder, would it hold value down the road if purchased? I forget if 1 or 2 owner.

Sunday Morning uploads …come thru Doug 😉🤙🏾 …where does one find a District of Columbia Tee shirt? Asking for a friend

i8 still looks insane for a car made in 2013. It will probably be as cool and fresh as other cars in 2030+.

This makes sense. I collect guitars and I think I’ve noticed a similar trend and findings. Not unlike buying stock at the dip when they’re at an all time low.

This gives me hopes for my is250 manual. Was pretty hard to find a manual version, but the better mpg, better engagement and acceleration i feel will keep the value a bit higher. Keep in mind we didn't get the 350 in Europe, so it was either 220d, 250 or isf much later

Everybody when Doug was listing examples: “please say my car, please say my car”

One noticeable characteristic many of these share: they were made before the 2008 financial crisis. so their value absolutely cratered along with house values, the stock market, gold, petroleum, and even “safe” bonds. It was an excellent buying opportunity - but only if you had ready cash to step up and take the car from the desperate seller. The lesson: build up a cash reserve and be patient. The next time there is a financial crisis you’ll be ready to shop with confidence.

The 124 spider. Is one of the most severely underrated turbo roadsters.

The Toyota FJ! Of all the cars Doug listed, these are still relatively modern, affordable and have proven Toyota reliability as well as good parts availability.

I have one theory of prices: When a car is relaunched, there will be a lot of interest about the original. Bronco is a good example. When collectors buy a new car, it is cool to have the original one beside it. The 911 speedester is also a good example, the old increased in value when the new came.

Doug The type of dude to wear a District Of Columbia shirt

Thanks for the Video 🙂

Great video. I bet though that for every unloved car that later shot up in value, there are a dozen that kept dropping in price. Probably hit and miss overall.

A lot of these only became desirable BECAUSE they were cancelled. So saying "I bet the company regrets cancelling it early" is just wrong 11:48. A lot of rich people don't really care much for good cars. They care about unique or rare ones.

Absolutely agree. I've been saying this about the W210 chassis Mercedes. A clean one today is rare let alone a clean one 10 or 20 years from now. This car was iconic and widely emulated and people still hate it. Therefore I would partially extend this theory to include cars that began a new era for the brand and an attempt to capture a wider market share, but not purchased by the type of buyer that cared enough to preserve them.

You should do more videos where you just talk about stuff you like. Its good watching.

If I remember correctly, you couldnt just buy an LFA. You had to be selected, at the time Lexus would not sell you the car outright. You had to lease it for certain amount of time, then they gave you an option to buy it out. I think that would be a big factor for poor sales

So basically it's cars that are cool and rare, making the connection from poor sales to rarity I guess is the key

Future classic: Audi TTRS It's in the last year of production, it's the last generation of an iconic model, it has the legendary 5-cylinder engine that sounds great, low sale numbers mean it's a pretty rare car, the build quality is very good, it's reliable, unfortunately a lot of people are modifying them, so finding a good one will be pretty hard. Also on my list: Porsche Cayman GT4, Lotus Elise, BMW M2, Ford Focus RS, Jaguar F-Type

Doug you are wise beyond your years. The issue is we don't all have extra money and garage space to stash a "depricitiating" asset. But man if we did 👌

Your soooooo right Dough!

Always have loved the BMW 850i. My own story: looked at a few 997 Turbos going stupid cheap early in the lockdown. Couldn’t get wife approval. Like to remind her how quickly their prices jumped back up.

Most of the cars listed were never really accessible to common ppl. Maybe the S2000 but things like the Ford GT and LFA were always cool to ppl that couldn’t buy them. I’ve personally had a long love affair with the LFA and the BMW 8 series but could never really dream of owning one. Even the new NSX and M3 are currently to expensive for most ppl.

I've been saying clean GT-R's and 4C's will do good down the road, especially the GT-R. Anything unmodified will command a very high premium just like you're seeing with R34's now.

Please get your hands on a 2022 c class! I need a Doug review on that, I just ordered one!

*One I think you might have missed or maybe they’re not sold in the US market: the previous gen/current Audi TTS/RS. Small, tossable, great power and they’ve been threatening to cancel them for years.*

Would like to get Doug's take on the 350Z Nismo...I remember people talking about how ugly the Autech bodywork was, at least the rear specifically. Still, it's a limited production run, first USA offered Nismo car directly from Nissan in an analog, stick shift package.

Okay. I will watch it again after 20 yrs doug⚡️

Daddy Doug: Could you do a video on when to buy these types of cars? i.e. buying a very slightly used Pontiac in the middle or end of 2009 and (properly) storing it for a while later sell/auction it? The big auctions always seem to have a slew of cars like this (think Trans Am with 12 miles on the odo sold 10 years after new) and the prices are all over the place. As the song goes you gotta know when to hold 'em and know when to fold 'em....