Do YOU think this is a big omission? Let me know!!

They did already confirm that you couldn’t fly your ship on the planet during the first showcase. I think they said it was for loading and rendering purposes or something.

I gotta be honest, I don't really care if we can't fly in the atmosphere. Sure, it'd be neat, but I really don't care. I am totally fine living without it.

I think it's simply because 99% of the planets are only gonna have like 5-10 points of interest on them and you'll be able to land near that POI. You talk about seeing a mountain off in the distance and wanting to climb it: I'm guessing there's just nothing there.

My head cannon is that Starfield is an alternate timeline where was the wheel was never invented.

Luke is like the divorced dad that gets invited to his ex-wife’s wedding and everyone is having fun except him so he just complains about the food the whole time lol

I went from being pissed that this was announced over Elder scrolls 6, to not giving a shit about the project to now being fully on board and ready to play at launch. Looks like good fun.

Imagine having to walk everywhere in every Boarderlands game.

They revealed frame rate in an interview after the show. It will run at 30fps on both Series X and S. I don’t have a problem with this but I imagine others might.

“You can put anything you want into a game, but you can’t put everything you want into it” God Howard

I think outside of combat your jet pack might be a personal sort of vehicle unless they’re waiting to show some sort of rover or possibly mounting tamed alien creatures

I think people really need to temper their expectations for this game. I see a lot of disappointment coming.

I wanna see someone play the game for 25 minutes straight to see what performance is like because it’s Bethesda.

While watching the direct I thought to myself “I wonder what Luke will find to complain about?”. Nice job.

Atmospheric flight isn't something I care that deeply about, but I would hope they have a mode of travel on the ground. I never really used horses in Skyrim because things were close enough together and fast traveling was really easy. However, when trying to explore a planet, I can't imagine running around on foot everywhere being fun the entire time. At least give players the ability to use some kind of buggy, it would be better than nothing. Flying into space and trying to select a spot closer to the POI you saw sounds like it would be really frustrating

Todd described exploration as: you land the ship and you explore "an area", then you "walk" back to your ship or fast travel to it or another location. So, there seem to be no vehicles to explore an area. And you probably won't be able to walk from an area to another area.

THIS IS ALL ALREADY KNOWN. Yes there's transitions between space flight and planets. Yes, there were no vehicles shown, and that can indeed hinder the exploration, but as you said this isn't a dealbreaker, as the game still seems to be an incredible Bethesda rpg, and mods can easily bypass these things

You can have multiple starships in your collection. Hopefully they let us have some vehicles that make getting around the planet easier.

Goes to show, you cant please everybody.

I think the modders will crush it, as usual. Thanks in advance to all modders out their! I look forward to seeing your creations.

I would assume that the planets are not actually generated close up at the start apart from mission areas. They would have the large models you see from space, and if you pick a unique location to land it effectively generates a terrain 'cell' based on the texture and probably some heightmap data on that large model. So hopefully if you pick a location next to an ocean, then the ocean will be there on the new map. Then you won't be able to get too far away from your ship because the newly generated map isn't actually that big, they'll have some kind of barrier due to 'oxygen limitations' or something. So I do not expect you to be able to land a distance away from a mission location and then walk for 2 hours to actually get there, I think those will be two separate maps. Because of this they won't be able to have a ship that can actually travel in atmosphere because the planet itself isn't one cohesive whole.

This video to me is certifiable proof that KZfaqrs need controversy and negative opinions to retain viewership. Video opens up with "overall I thought was pretty impressive" but the title says "here's my complaint." It's like the negative part needs to be at the forefront to get attention.

Let’s just accept it’s going to be a laggy, buggy, feature lacking mess on launch complete with a Twitter apology post. Calling it now.

Biggest L is that the game is 30fps on the "most powerful console ever"....

Fun fact I learned while I was studying game design. Apparently, Bethesda's archaic engine can't do vehicles, not ones you can get in and drive. This is why vehicles are set piece moments in their previous titles, the wagon in skyrim, the brotherhood's ships in Fallout 4. In Skyrim, the wagon in the intro was connected to a character underground who was walking. I dont think people realize just how hard Bethesda is working to make this relic of an engine perform. Its going to show on release, what they showed us at the showcase was 100% doctored up.

Thats an odd move, Luke, if thats the case. Part of why I love No Man's Sky is the ability to turn and burn across the planet's surface if I land suboptimally.

It’s a fair compliant I guess but they showed so much that I can hardly care less lol.

Luke, they already confirmed you wouldn’t be able to operate ships on a the planet’s surface on the previous reveal.

Theory: There is no "open world" aspect to starfield. You can't have vehicles or fly on the planet because there is no planet to fly around. There will be kilometer sized tiles that load in that are randomly generated. The handcrafted areas on specific planets will be like small open world maps you can explore. However the places you land on from space that aren't handcrafted will be for you to drop into, find a lil sumsum then move on. You can't run from a random LZ to a city for example.

I'm absolutely not buying the hype, there's that saying 'once bitten twice as shy', Bethesda bit us more times than I can remember. Apparently Starfield is made with an updated version of Creation Engine simply called Creation Engine *2* which gives me a bit of hope but I wonder why they didn't ditch that old engine completely. I don't get how people give Nintendo so much flack for their old hardware even though their games run perfectly and we just let Bethesda keep the same engine of a decade ago while their games are capable of breaking PCs. Remember the state the resident evil franchise was in after RE 6? Capcom created a whole new engine to help them fix the franchise and so we got Resident Evil 7, why doesn't Bethesda do something like that? They have Microsoft money now don't they?

This game will allow me to stay in my room for 23 hours a day and be happy.

I think it's crazy how people don't think this is a big deal. In no mans sky I loved seeing another planet, getting in my space ship an flying straight there myself

Starfield just blew my mind, I didn't expect that, I'm sold. Never seen something like this before, think about the amount of works went into its development, kudos to developer.

As a skeptical optimistic, this Starfield showcase was really good. Yeah I got the impression you land in the areas you generally want to explore. I would prefer to be able to fly around the planet myself but I will take the fast travel/warp system, it's not a deal breaker.

Didnt they already say before that you dont control landing or taking off? Ive been under that impression for a while. There is no in atmosphere flight. You only control your ship in space. Yeah looks like you walk but they said you unlock areas and after you do you can land and/or fast travel to them. Not being a homer I just thought it was explained already. Hopefully they have some kind of vehicles or knowing Bethesda, thats a planned DLC already lol.

Spending 16 minutes complaining about a lack of vehicles is kinda funny.

Seems very, "look at all our fast travel points" versus, "explore our universe" if you ask me. Hugely skeptical of Bethesda's honesty and their ability to make this game even remotely capable of holding our attention beyond 10hrs. Getting quite the "Mile wide, One inch deep" instead of "One inch wide, One Mile Deep". Questioning whether they'll have anything close to enough gameplay for anyone to care about 1000+ planets after the release hype ends.

As someone that’s tired of open world games I would hate to have to walk everywhere. So I hope they add some sort of fast travel vehicle.

There could be a way to simply get back in your ship and choose a different landing spot there and then, and it just guides you over to it. I doubt you have to actually go back into space and down again

My theory: I reckon each of these supposed 1000 plus planets are actually just a small playable area within small continents. I think there will be boundaries (whether water or invisible walls) stopping us from exploring the entire planet in one go. Hence the reason they don't have vehicles showcased. Temper expectations people.

I got the impression that they needed a load up of the area you land in to put in the non auto-generated land.

God damn 16 minutes for this topic?

Coming from Star citizen, i can't imagine having full sized planets and not be able to go into your ship and just fly 1km in a direction without having to leave atmosphere or use a fast travel option. Plus, exploring a new place while flying a couple meters above the ground, slow or fast, is one of the coolest things in space sims.

You gotta traverse a WHOLE PLANET and your only option is walking and people think that's not an issue? Baffling.

This guy finds one random thing he doesn't like about every single game ever, and made that his entire channel.

As someone show didn’t care much for the game, ship traversal on land didn’t come to mind because I was surprised by how much you could do. As others pointed out, I don’t think the open worlds are too big/empty that would require a ship or benefit from it to begin with.

I thought it was going to be like Outer Worlds in the sense that you select a landing area and have a limited area/section to explore.

You’re not wrong to have this expectation considering how common it is, but I think you’re not being very generous and that you’re making a false equivalence when comparing Starfield and No Man’s Sky. Probably the most important distinction is that these games are built with different engines. No Man’s Sky uses a custom engine that was specifically built for that game. Starfield uses Creation Engine 2, an engine that is probably meant to be used for future games very different from Starfield. And it almost certainly inherits some limitations and design quirks from Creation Engine, the engine used for games like Skyrim. I’m disappointed too, but back in January Howard said they planned to do this from very early on. Apparently it would be a waste of time to focus on bridging space and land considering how relatively little time players would spend there. There’s probably a huge benefit to having this separation of concerns. If they fix a physics bug on land, they might not need to be worried about that fix’s side effects for space physics. Considering how buggy Bethesda games are, this will probably be for the best.

Games like No Man's Sky and Star Citizen have valid motives behind having dozens of planets, partially because they are both multiplayer. Star Citizen has 300 and it feels incredibly vast. Starfield is singleplayer with primarily on-foot exploration. Why does it need a 1000 planets? Also, I recently watched a video of a guy walking across a planet in a straight line in No Man's Sky. It took him 48 hours of just walking. Starfield hasn't stated that planets have varying biomes or wildlife, so things will become repetitive pretty quickly. Starfield looks like a good game, and it has all the hallmarks of what makes a Bethesda game, but it's trying to capitalize on scale and quantity, and unfortunately experience may have taught you that this is something that you need to be careful of.

Atmospheric flight when mean that a gigantic and user-customizable spaceship would have to be taken into account when designing all the bespoke story levels, the interaction between the NPCs and the spaceship, asset streaming, etc. It would be epic to see your spaceship dynamically interact with the planet and its inhabitants, and they would have 100% shown this feature if they had it. My guess is they don’t. I’m not surprised they don’t - it’s admittedly very difficult to achieve. I’m just a little bit disappointed.

My biggest question is can I get up out of my chair as I'm flying in space? Or have I "become" the ship. Will I only be able to walk around my ship in certain instances, and after a loading screen?

The Beauty of Bethesda’s Fallout and TES is that they start the player at the bottom of a crude, tedious environment. You derive fulfillment by feeling like you’ve earned everything you have and knowing it was a long struggle. To start a player out in an advanced sci fi universe takes away from that sense of accomplishment. Things become monotonous quicker than anticipated. Much like how the wealthiest of us are often the least happy, I expect this game to be too rewarding to the point where the reward feels meaningless. I’m sure it will be fun, but it won’t have nearly the impact of Bethesda’s prior releases.

I can see why people are now getting hyped, but i’m personally not excited after the showcase. Shooting still looks off, with NPCs just eating bullets with little reaction and braindead movement. Not a fan of the mining/crafting and basebuilding, which seems like a continuation of my least favorite aspects of Fallout 4. It’s also confirmed that most of the planets are desolate (resource gathering), which is not the direction I was hoping for (as opposed to focusing on a handful of very detailed, crafted star systems).

Having planets this detailed and having seamless spaceflight aren't unrelated. There's a reason no man's sky, elite dangerous, star citizen, have much worse planets. You physically can't stream in all that detail fast enough to fly through it. Even racing games have hard speed limits of just over 200mph and their worlds already sacrifice a lot to push that as high as possible. When I heard there wasn't seamless travel I was so happy. I've played a ton of space games and they all run into the same limitations it imposes and its a huge detriment to gameplay, and for what? So you can fly in a straight line up and down for a bit? Get over it.

people really have a gold fish memory .im not expecting much of this game .the gunplay looks like smth from 2007 , and if there is no in planet flight then this is a joke .as a no mans sky , this game brings nothing new to the genre .

Starfield will be the biggest flop in the history of video games.

Baffling to me is that it seems you have not played outer wilds! Please give a chance to this masterpiece

Not a deal breaker for me. From what I saw I was impressed with what they did compared to past trailers. Plus someone will make a Darth maul speeder bike mod. FYI I am biased as I have game pass and I am not spending a dime on this game.

"I don't understand how this is not a big deal to more people." Yeah, maybe because I'm not 12 years old anymore 🤡

You can’t control your ship in atmosphere. He said you can fly in real time from space to land, so seems obvious. I have a feeling this game won’t be better than no man’s sky.

Everyone is pissing on Luke for being a Debbie Downer but he brings up a completely valid complaint which is that 30FPS lock during gameplay. I can’t play at 30FPS and refuse to do it.

They've confirmed that space flight and planet exploration are separate systems separated by a loading screen but im not sure where the source is but it may have been the Todd Howard interview with lex Friedman

Now we know, the game loads a "Skyrim" around your ship every time you land.

In the video whre Matt Booty says that if Starfield shipped today it'd have the fewest bugs of any Bethesda game that's ever shipped, Phil Spencer says that "they havn't shown everything"!! He seems mighty proud of himself and Matt Booty agrees very firmly too, it would seem magic and surprises are still coming sooo hopes up!

There have never really been vehicles outside of horses in bethesda games. I wouldn't be surprised if they just janked in starship models in the game and placed them on the characters head to simulate the effect like the train in Fallout 3's Metro.

Luke and shitting on everything, name a more iconic duo

No big deal in my opinion. Flying the ship on the plant surface isn't really needed i don't think. Also, they did confirm you couldn't do it in the first showcase.

They confirmed there is NOT the option to fly your ship within the atmosphere, plus, if they had implemented a terrestrial vehicle, like a rover, they would have showed it. My guess is that you CANNOT land and explore a planet freely, but you will just be able to land on a few selected landing spot on each planet and if you walk too far from that spot, an invisible wall will pop up, with a message saying "you are too far from your ship, come back or ( insert random excuse)". They are overselling the entire concept of "space exploration", people seems to have forgotten all the lies that Bethesta told about Fallout 76 before launch.

I am really reluctant about Starfield. This ideia of having absurd amount of planets just means a lot of limitations of transport and content. The transport on the planets will be critical for the gameplay, not even talking about the size of each planet that you can explore. The most bizarre thing is that the closest to this is Daggerfall considering size and AI generated landscape and they never tried something similar since then

I totally get what you're saying. It looks fantastic, but it'll kind of make the planets very segmented and bitty. Like, right over in the horizon i see a cool looking mountain...so I have to get in the ship, go to the map and _HOPE_ it lands me near where I originally looked at?? Ehh?

No seamless transitions, atmospheric flight, etc.. loading screens and cutscenes galore. Sadly not a space sim game. Takes a lot of the magic out of it for me.

My main complaint was - the utter lack of interesting characters, dialogue, quests or story. It looked super bland. Like a big sandbox filled with dumb NPCs with boring stories. They should take notice how to build characters from CD project.

I feel like there will have to be either rovers or some system with outposts so you can fast travel to those specifically

I really hope starfield has a good launch. I'm a PS player mainly and it would be great for Xbox exclusives to be a legitimate competitor to Sony exclusives again. I haven't felt envious about an Xbox exclusive since the 360 days. Starfield is the first in a long time. I do have a PC tho so if it ends up actually being good and not another fallout 76 I'll get it.

Biggest issue I see is that the majority of the handcrafted locations (aside from the major cities, which are on predetermined planets) are going to be loaded into whatever planet you land on based on what the game wants to show you at any particular time. So you really have no control over exploration. You can go to any random planet, but the game will slap a certain number of handcrafted locations onto that planet. It will show you what it wants to show you, not what you discover. So the game is more about experiencing all the content by playing a lot, not actually exploring. It is the illusion of exploration, not actual exploration of a map.

Just gonna wait for the reviews when the game releases before purchasing tbh lol

Not a big deal. Game looks great to me.

I think that they dropped it. Horses barely made it into Skyrim and I'm guessing that with the variable gravity of planets that they couldn't make it work well in the time they had. If I had to guess, it will be in a DLC pack next year. In atmosphere flight has already been announced as not happening, probably because of how Creation engine cells render if I had to guess. Planets are instanced spaces.

luke being a contrarian to be a contriarian who would have guessed!

Not a big deal. Not even a deal to me

Dude this was confirmed months ago. I cant imagine it was possible to have everything on the planets loaded at the same time as all the deep space stuff.

really trying to pick a bone out from an egg are you. With everything being offered, I seriously would not be concentrating on how i would not be able to fly on a planet, but focusing on all the other feature i could enjoy... I mean sure that would be nice, but how is it so upsetting that it blocks me from enjoying anything else? ridiculous. Maybe because I'm not a youtuber so I don't have to always find a dramatic reaction title to everything?

Only ppl who have never played a sci-fi game with a planet sized planet think ppl like you and I are insane for wondering about this

Now that you mention it, yes it is odd that they haven't shown any movement faster than on foot while on planets. It reminds me of when Skyrim shipped without the horse combat component and how it was later patched into the game.

I love outer wilds. That game is so fun to immerse yourself in

Why are people so mad about the starfield game it looks great graphics are great gunplay looks solid the ship customization and combat looks great the exploration looks very great I think it’ll be great

When they showed the new animation system they briefly showed the character running. And he was fast i mean really fast so i'm thinking maybe they have some sort of exosuit type thing for better and faster mobility.

Starfield is severely limited by Bethesdas technologies. The Lu need to let the creation engine go. I don’t understand how it’s so hard for them.

I’m 90% certain Todd confirmed it was 30fps on a podcast with some bloke that always wears a black suit. I’m also sure Xbox confirmed this

I’m hoping there’ll be a module you can add to the ship for like a rover or something.

I wondered the same thing. It is really weird. It must have come up during development, but the fact that they did not even mention it in the showcase is very odd. Bethesda paid attention to so much detail, they must have thought about on-planet transportation. Nevertheless, I think this game is a must-have for me.

Put on you tinfoil hats for this one. I'm pretty sure the reason why we can't have in atmo flight is because the way the level generation will end up working. I have a sneaking suspicion that wherever we decide to land, the game will load up a chunk of the level, let's just say a 30x30 playable grid around the landing site of your spaceship, and then put up invisible walls for you so you can't traverse further away from your ship. This is just my personal skeptic theory, but I don't think all these planets will be true "open worlds" in the way we might think, but rather, non consecutive increments of map, strung together by loading screens. Just my skeptical theory though

30 FPS is not next gen, it's previous gen.

I'm fine with no in atmosphere flight because I was never expecting it. Not all space games have in atmo flight and any vehicle mechanisms in the creation engine is frankly a miracle and so I'm more than satisfied with space traversal. Thats already way more than could have been expected from a BGS game just 4 or 5 years ago.

Not really concerned, but it was mentioned that there was plenty they still have not shown.

I would hope there would be vehicles. If we have ship customization why couldnt we build land vehicles in that menu as well?

The lack of planet surface vehicles is strange……

This game is be glitches galore how much you want to bet

I think we’ve got to remind ourselves that there were always going to be trade-offs. This was never going to be quite as ambitious (or eternally unfinished) as Star Citizen… but especially in comparison to NMS which has all kinds of traversal but hardly anything with regard to story, dense characters and dialogue options (what BGS does best). So they may well have cut back on traversal- but the detail we get in who and what we’re interacting with in front of us is the trade-off. It also seems highly likely to me that ground or short-range traversal in atmo is something that might very well be added in future content updates.

Why is this baffling? They dont have atmospheric flight. It was the one sacrifice they made lmao. Now for a rover, I would support that being added. I bet within 30 days of launch it will exist as a mod. Also, they said theres tons more they haven't shown... I bet they might even have a rover system and just show it closer to launch. Also why are you so naive? You really don't understand why they wouldn't show every single feature in the first big reveal? They have 2 more months to build hype lol.