Glad to hear.

@@EatSleepDrive bruh you need to do some no lift shifting in it hehe it sounds amazing

By "ZLE" do you mean "ZL1 1LE"? I ask because I own one and so does a friend...and that's what we call them for short.

@@damachine3 Yeah this seems to be the accepted shortening, just like FiST and FoRS for the Fiesta ST, and Focus RS, etc.

He said they’re proven to over heat on track, they don’t the early c7 z06 model years do in automatic form.

F1hotrod lmaoooo

Truth

Yep. I have a euro car and the “quality” thing is overrated big time.

Zl1 camaro is hard to beat

Thanks for your note, glad you agreed since you're an owner and know the car well. I should have been more clear on the seats, simply meant the GT350 seats are significantly more bolstered, which is good and bad. To be honest I wasn't sure who made the ZL1 seats. I really like the ZL1 seats from a balance point of view, supportive but also easy to get in and out of from a daily driving perspective.

As a zl1 owner

@@EatSleepDrive It is kind of odd what concessions Ford and GM made on their track versions of the cars. ZLE has hardcore suspension and chassis but the interior is as decked out as a regular ZL1, really geared more towards a comfy GT car. Ford likes a more comfortable suspension setup but then puts in hardcore seats and takes out the rear seats. GM is likely just looking at the Z/28 and the reactions to that car, so I can understand why they decided to go the middle road, but I think both the ZLE and the CFTP should be more extreme all around. Unless you are hitting the track every month, the base versions of the cars are the way to go.

Delphi, an arm of gm, developed what’s now called magneride from BWI, but gm as a whole was an early adopter regardless. I’m sure, or hope you’re not being critical as much as informing him but yea...there’s some non-gm/bwi innovation happening in aero applications that are very interesting too. Gm at one point hoped to amortize the costs enough to include the tech in most of their portfolio but it became clear this didn’t make sense at the time so the sale is kind of a shame but I’m just glad that someone who’s still developing it has it

Ferrari invented magnetic ride

@@dominicsosa7405 lol no

@@dominicsosa7405 Actually Ferrari licensed magnoretical ride from GM originally used in the ZR1 vette and CTSV and in return Ferrari gave them the Enzo brakes for the ZR1

@@xXJasonMakiXx the first i heard of it was on a ferari but i guess ferrari is dependant on magnaride

That’s probably because it is supercharged, all you had to do was switch to a Shelby gt500 and it would’ve been better than the zl1

@@TopGsBugatti Sure, and all it would have cost me was the low, low price of 30k over sticker in Chicago! ZL1s were 20% off MSRP when I picked mine up in early June. The money I saved was well spent on a couple extra sets of tires for track days. Also. I was able to get one in manual. GT500 is a cool car, and I will consider one in a couple of years when the hype dies down, and I've made piece with the death of manuals in new cars :(

Mike L 2020 Shelby GT500 Super Snake is manual lmao but expensive yes...

Adam Lolno 2020 Shelby is faster than the ZL1 in all aspects wym

Adam Lolno you’re completely right then man, definitely the camaro is faster, it has boost where the gt350 is all motor only

Thank you!

Both great options. Love the blue, good choice!

Truth!

This color for ppl who look at the car doesn't make as much emotions like same car in Hyper Blue, RedHot or Garnet red.. :/ it's just simple blue.. :(

The camaro is definitely losing sales because of looks, I was the biggest camaro fan ever since I was out of the fetus but those 2020 camaros oh my god you’d have to pay me to own one and it doesn’t help that it’s considered one of the worst vehicles on the consumer reports survey

Well people are buying the Zl1. No one wants the ss or the rs. They look terrible

My fav camaro year is 2016

@Andrew V not really true. Stock engines have very small cams to meet emissions testing since the displacement is so large

All of the reasons pushrod engines are still made are basically car companies like gm being cheap. They are cheaper to build, squeeze into smaller compartments and may help fuel economy but that is debatable. You won't see Ferrari or any high end performance cars rocking pushrods. Valve float kills most pushrod engines at high rpm unless they have a huge cam and valvesprings that wear shit out prematurely so the only reason GM is still doing it is simply cost yet they want more $$ from the consumer

It also helps that any neanderthal can line up 2 dots on the timing chain so you don't have to be a graduate of MiT to assemble a Ls or LT.

Coyote TJ That is true, hell it takes only one to 3 days to learn how to build and repair pushrod engines really. That’s another thing I love about them. Cheap to maintain, engineer, produce, and upgrade all while still being very powerful and reliable.

Andrew V Not really, there are plenty of engines like the LS376, the LS7, and the LT4 that make peak power over 6,000 rpm. Sure they won’t have 8,000 rpm revs but they definitely have some top end. I’d go DOHC for anything 7,000 rpm or more to be honest though.

Enjoy the new ride!

One cam is still competing/beating with 4, I see no reason to change. It's mainly due to the head design, and how they spent their time (back in the day when they dropped the LS1) on how the flow is through the engine, rather than fuel efficiency. Couple with this almost archaic, yet very tried-and-true single in-block cam shaft pushrod designs, and GM has their formula for success in the consumer market. It's cheaper, smaller, lighter, can be adapted for several different material designs for trucks and cars, and it's obvious how GM has a great motor platform for their whole range.

N the larger displacement

👍 Definitely!

Thank you!

Great choice, I miss mine. Enjoy!

Adam Lolno $48K. It’s a 2018 with electronics pack, over the top stripe. Was used but only had 1400 miles and 70% of the warranty left.

So does my mother

Richard Burns rich boi

Keep the GT350, they will be going up in value very soon.

U gonna downgrade from a zl1 to a SS lmao

What do you mean, "That rear end bit is strictly tires"?

damachine3 You didn’t watch all of the video did you? He states that the rear end moves around a bit in spirited driving situations where as the 1LE wouldn’t and said it may be the metal bushings versus rubber ones. He didn’t make one mention about the more aggressive and bigger tires the 1LE has over the regular ZL1. The 1LE runs 305s in the front and 325s in the rear. The base ZL1 runs 285 front 305 rear. It’s a really big difference.

@@gtmike916 Thanks. I simply didn't want to assume what you were referring to. I totally agree since I owned the new ZL1 but then I sold it 21 months later and got the ZL1 1LE. So I know from personal experience. ;) That said, you need to make sure the tires are warmed up on the 1LE because they start out a lot slicker when they are cold but then they are sticky as f*ck. ;)

damachine3 Yessir those race tires are pretty much slicks with tread haha. The ZL1s are amazing bang for your buck.

I don't think this is a tire issue, although perhaps a contributing factor. The sensation of the rear wagging at WOT has been discussed pretty thoroughly on C6G and people have claimed upgrading some of the suspension components has calmed it down. I believe they recommend starting with the trailing arms before going to the cradle.

both have a mpg 6th gear. Biggest difference is this: zl1 has way more torque if that's your kind of thing, where gt350 has to rev. Gt350 sounds way better. Can't really go wrong with either.

A quiet mustang? Never seen one ...

My eco Mustang can’t be heard for blocks like a lot of GTs with looud exhaust. Which is fine with me as I haven’t received a second look from LEO in a long time. C8 on order Aug. 2020 build date.

Exactly!!! It’s one of the best handling cars on road. I’ve never heard the steering needs to be fixed in other reviews.

I agree. They're more of a gimmick, I can't even see my oil pressure gauge from a normal seated position.

Hey now, I like my little 4 pack gauge cluster on my 2010! They're down in front of the shifter, on the center console

Bacon676 yea well she’s a man

@@Bacon676 exactly where you can't fkn see um

I like them, they resemble the 69’ SS interior. But now there is barely any resemblance to the older Camaro’s

How rich r u. If unlimited money then both. If not , never rim route thats expensive and bru I’m telling u ur going hit a pot hole and the rim going get chipped and ur going lose ur mind , so just get oem or z28 amazon brake pads and just switch them good timings

I spend 3 hours waxing a zl1 vert that’s less area to wax and I’m a try hard like autisim lvl waxing and personally I don’t mess with the wheels bc their so big that if their isn’t brake dust then theirs an issue so I just 50% effort and tires bc they just going get dirty again… bc u shouldn’t wash wheels and they let a car sit always drive after wheels get chemicals on em

The turbo 4's and 6's pretty much all sound like hot garbage, which accounts for a lot of the performance cars out there these days.

He notices the SS but not the damn Corvette Z06

It's basically the only option mine doesn't have lol.

Sadly the Chinese own it now.

Gt500 is also way more expensive !

It is and it isn't. Based on price the GT350 is more comparable. As well as based on time of release. GT500 has had 3 years since the ZL1 came out.

arkarius944 yea price matters but not as much when these cars are so different and designed to punch against their weight. Not to mention the R really has price parity too. Exterior factors aside, metal to metal, it makes more sense, we don’t live on that world though I’ll give you that

The natural competitor to the GT500 is the C7ZR1

It's a really tough decision. If I wanted a track only car out of the two I'd probably go ZL1, it's more friendly at the limit and simply faster. But, personally, I'd take the GT350 for everything else that isn't purely track duty. It just has more character and charm that the ZL1 lacks.

@@EatSleepDrive Would you pick the ZL1 simply because it will deliver quicker lap times though? I'm a GT350 owner tracking the car regularly. I find driving the GT350 at the limit to be quite rewarding. I think the character of the car really comes out on the track. I have not tracked a ZL1.

I choose the zl1 for the street

I choose the zl1 for the street

It's pretty bad.

Thank you!

Interesting

Goto the camaro6 forums. There are a few companies who make the conversion kit.

If you go to the track a lot I would recommend the SS 1le, it's the better handling car.

@@scottherron I might have on track but it will rarely be. It is for personal use of leisure car on normal road

Much more firm !

Cincinnati

@@EatSleepDrive what are the chances lmaoo, SW Ohio as well. Just outside of Cincinnati myself

@@EatSleepDrive if you review modified cars would love to have you review my bird. Should be a peace of cake to record since we're both from the Cincinnati area

I’ve got a contract to get it for sticker though

Nobody knows for sure, so if you are worried about resale before you even buy it then I would skip it and invest your money elsewhere.

damachine3 yea I’m in a position where i can do it but it’s more than is reasonable for me to spend on a car especially for a long period. But for a while and to get the experience I feel like it will be worth it.

@@Fee.1 Yep, I don't care how much money I have, I still don't like to buy things that lose value. But that's hard to do with cars...and I love them. Life is short!

Adam Lolno but how long until a Z06 comes out? And do I go entry level like I’m tempted to or a nearly $15-20k more for performance package

your right, apples and oranges when it comes to power, speed and what it sounds like...but.... price wise a regular ZL1 is prob cheaper than a GT350 (new). If you want to spend 90k for the GT500 and get 0.1 second off your 60 then thats all you.

You know it!

I'm not a camaro hater but I don't recall it ever having drag strip dominance lol.

@@burgerbandit3646 2017 Battle of the non aspirated muscle cars Camaro SS Mustang GT Dodge Challenger 392🤔

Lost it's track dominance? The ZL1, especially the 1LE with the MultiMatic DSSV suspension and very functional aero, dominate the track. Have you looked up the Nürburgring times? They are track cars first. Not as much focused on the strip.

@@damachine3 so you're saying the 2020 zl11le is faster on the track than the 2020 GT500 track version with a 110 more HP?

@@cababy1296 www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparison-test/a30540966/2020-ford-mustang-shelby-gt500-vs-2019-chevy-camaro-zl1-1le/ The jury is out. This article has the ZL1 1LE winning out in the 0-60 and just short of the GT500 in the 1/4 mile (.1 second difference). The ZL1 1LE has the MultiMatic DSSV, track focused, suspension and weighs 200 lb. less. They also like the steering feel on the ZL1 1LE better. On the Nürburgring, that allowed it to shave 13 seconds off of the ZL1 track time, even though the ZL1 1LE had a lower top speed in the straight because of the drag from the aero. No other Camaro, Corvette, or Mustang has this suspension...only the ZL1 1LE. I used to hate Chevrolet and swore I would never buy a Camaro but, after researching it, I bought a ZL1 and then I sold it 21 months later and got a ZL1 1LE. I did so because it was one of the baddest machines for the track, especially for the money. Even then, I'm not sure it would win out vs. the GT500 on the Nürburgring, but let's see. People are already saying it lost it's track dominance but I'm not sure that's been proven yet. In fact, I'm seeing some proof of the opposite. I'm not sure we'll ever know in regards to the Nürburgring because I don't think Ford will take the car there. The GT500 should win, though, because it's a much newer car and has 110 more HP (but keep in mind that the ZL1 1LE has 25 more lb-ft of torque...650 vs. 625). Then again, the GT500 is 200 lb. heavier and the suspension is inferior to the amazing track-focused ZL1 1LE suspension in the corners. That's how it goes, Chevy comes out with the gen 6 and it wins out and then a few years later Ford comes out with something. The GT500 should win in every measurement. So, for $30,000 more dollars and four years newer, I would hope the GT500 beats it out. That all said, a new Gen 7 Camaro ZL1 1LE or Z/28 would undoubtedly beat the GT500 for less money (if they ever come to fruition) but it looks like they're going to cancel the Camaro (again) after a couple more years of this generation. So I'm not sure we'll ever see a Gen 7 Camaro. Al Oppenheiser, the head of Camaro, has already moved to the electric car division. Camaro sales are tanking and gas mileage is poor (hurting their ability to hit EPA targets in a fiscally sound manner)...so it's just not worth it for them anymore. Finally, when we talk about comparisons between the ZL1 1LE and the GT500, it's almost apples and oranges with the price difference...but I hear you. The GT500 may win out on a particular track, but I don't think it will win out on all tracks because the ZL1 1LE will beat the heavier GT500, with the inferior cornering suspension...leaving the GT500 to make up for it in the straight. They will have to be long straights, though, based on the numbers I'm seeing from the early reviews. The ZL1 1LE is a lighter car, has more torque, and has a superior suspension. It has it's advantages. As for fun factor, a lot of people think the ZL1 1LE is a more confident and engaging track driving experience. I think both cars are amazing and I'm glad they push each other to the limit!

Yet!

@@Badazz08 ever

@@Badazz08 Never!

They can't even be given away after a discount. And the sale have fallen so far behind the Mustang they just can't compete with those Mustang dollars.

You guys say this but wait till all there are is electric cars anymore in another 50 years and cars cost an average of 90 grand or more. Let's be realistic. I'm sure no thought when cars were average of 5 grand that in 50 years or whatever it would be an average 35 grand. Some of the camaros sought after are auctioned for 100 grand or more. So never say never cause it can and might happen. Be a little more opened minded.

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