Here's WHY Every Airline Will BEG For the New A350NEO NOW!

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7 ай бұрын

Airbus have been contemplating the launch of a New Engine Option version of their A350 lineup for some years now.
But here’s the thing.
Their A350 lineup just got introduced less than a decade ago which is baby years in the aviation market.
But something has changed that urges a new engine option to Airbus’s already powerful A350s lineup.
So, what changed?

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@robmurphy6289 7 ай бұрын

I’m a big Boeing fan, but have to say that the A350-1k is an impressive machine.

@dddaddy 7 ай бұрын

I'm the other way. Airbus enjoyer for the most part, but the more I see from the 777X, the more interesting it looks to me :D

@henningwilhelmi 6 ай бұрын

I am in between. I try to love the products, not the brands

@arnoldcobarrubias6593 6 ай бұрын

your 767-400ERs are cool af

@johniii8147 6 ай бұрын

They are both great aircraft. Place in the market for them both. Interestingly, the 777-9 has already outsold the 1000. Boeing seems to know what they are doing.

@matthewsammut3253 6 ай бұрын

The superior machine.

@Sacto1654 7 ай бұрын

This is why Rolls-Royce is developing the _UltraFan_ engine to replace the Trent series of engines. One of its first applications will be a 97,000 to 100,000 lb thrust version for the A350neo model.

@nathd1748 7 ай бұрын

A350F launch for the Ultrafan

@hardlifeblues 6 ай бұрын

@@nathd1748really, where is the source. I think the ultra fan will not be taken into service before 2030.

@johniii8147 6 ай бұрын

@@nathd1748 Nope. The engine is probably at least a decade away. Not even close to being ready for the 2026 delivery the airbus currently has for the 350F. RR has put the Ultrafan on the slow track until a new aircraft.

@nathd1748 6 ай бұрын

@johniii8147 Yes you keep mentioning 'slow track'. I know otherwise and I think I'm wasting my time telling you.

@Infiltator2 6 ай бұрын

@@nathd1748definitely not.

@eurouc 7 ай бұрын

It’s going to be the Rolls-Royce UltraFan before anything GE

@chingweixion621 7 ай бұрын

The Boeing 777-9 is expected to burn the same amount of fuel on a similar flight compared with the A350-1000. The only difference is the B777-9 carries 10% more passenger than the A350, hence the 10% better specific fuel consumption. Therefore if an airline is premium heavy and choose not to go with the tighter 7 abreast business class configuration, the efficiency advantage of the B777-9 may not be significant compared to the purchased price difference. Hence why you'll see airlines choosing the A350 over the B777-9. Its not just about the fleet commonality.

@jamesyates8942 6 ай бұрын

Let.s not forget that the airlines had begged airbus to come up with an aircraft to compete with the 787 and 777

@Infiltator2 6 ай бұрын

@@jamesyates8942the 787 has a competitor.

@miks564 7 ай бұрын

0:43 False information. ...sorry about breaking it like that. The first significant use of composite material in a commercial aircraft was by Airbus in -> 1983

@frednoname3714 6 ай бұрын

Yes and first fly by wire is airbus suffered big bashing at the time " fly by wire " was "dangerous".. 😂

@kukmica6422 7 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing!

@frenchcountryball3138 7 ай бұрын

Am pretty sure the a350s are in rivalry with the 777s and 787s in rivalry with the a330. If you look at both of the airframes basing yourself on the passenger count, the closesr 787 to an a350 is the 787-10 which barely keeps up with the a350 family. The 787 looks more like a good remplacement for a330s as the 787-8, 787-9 and 787-10 both annihilates the a330 including the neo despite their similarity. And its the exact opposite with the a350s and 777s where the a350s have an easy win despite their similarity. They both have 2 main variants (3 if we include the upcoming a350F) they both have longer range versions of their variants (777-200LR/a359ULR) and their larger capacity one (77W/a350-1000) with the a350 doing a better range then the 777-300ER despite their similar carrying capacity. I mostly believe that airlines that operated both the a330 and 777 will have an interest in having both the 787 and a350 with for example Air France and KLM or delta airlines. Both 787 and a350 have their advantages and complete each other in a fleet as their are not in the same category.

@johniii8147 6 ай бұрын

However DL has so far shunned the 787. Really the only large carrier that has gone with the 330NEO, although they don't seem to be lining up for more. They may well end up ordering some 787s though. We shall see. They have been strangely quite on new widebody orders in recent years. They still have plenty of 767s to replace and don't currently have the order book to do so.

@joge6496 7 ай бұрын

i am the only one who thinks that the explanations are confusing, jumping back and forth between versions?

@ronanaviation9520 7 ай бұрын

No, whenever this KZfaqr makes a video it will always be: not true, and will always be about everything "destroying boeing"

@aquaden8344 7 ай бұрын

Airbus has to improve the wing of the A350. The aspect ratio is around 9.5:1 compared to 11:1 of the 787. It's leads to more drag the larger the angle of attack, what leads to more fuel consumption during ascent. Once at travel altitude it's not so dramatic anymore. They already did improve the aspect ratio by designing larger winglets for the A359, but it's a bandage. Adding more wingspan by introducing folding wing tips with a folding mechanism similar to the Grumman E2C would allow to add the 10m to 15m needed to really improve the aerodynamics. On the engine side R&R should be more transparent with the progress on the UltraFan engine. It would be ideal for an A350neo, but R&R needs to get it's job done. An A350 with an UltraFan and improved wing would be a killer product. It could be finally used efficient on routes below 5000 miles, what is the issue with the current A350 family.

@nathd1748 7 ай бұрын

RR are not obliged to publish anything more transparent than they already have. There are reasons too. They don't want to start bragging and it goes to pot. They are knuckling down and seeing where it takes them.

@chengyoujiang6076 6 ай бұрын

Well, here in China (or neighbour Japan), we have a lot of truck routes operated by A350 every day (inaugural flight), and airlines praise the efficiency and passenger comfort! Beijing-Chengdu, Tokyo-Sapporo are both good examples.

@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 5 ай бұрын

Saying it would need folding wingtips is just silly. Plus an extra 10 to 15 meter is silly too. It would be extra weight and extra drag.

@aquaden8344 5 ай бұрын

@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 Are you aware about something called induced drag, a vortex created at the wingtips due to pressure exchange between the lower and upper side of the wing? If you would be, then you would be also aware, that the induced drag is direct proportional to the aspect ratio the wing, and the aspect ratio is direct proportional to the wingspan! Your argument of extra weight and extra drag is not much more then hot air of somebody not having any knowledge about aerodynamics.

@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 5 ай бұрын

@@aquaden8344 LOL, I’m 31 years into a satisfying flying career, that includes Airbus and Boeing products, so yes, I’m well aware of aerodynamics. And I’m especially aware since I’ve flown Gulfstream products on ultra long range flights at altitudes up to FL510. Now, can I explain to you why your point is silly? Yes, but I don’t have to, because the Airbus engineers back me up and not you. See, you might think otherwise, but you actually don’t know as much as their engineers, otherwise they would’ve done this already a long time ago. So the hot air, well, it’s you really.

@Rizefix 7 ай бұрын

"bomba-deer" 💀

@ysg3599 7 ай бұрын

They could add folding wingtips with a wider wingspan and widen the fuselage with 2 feet. Would make it more roomy and comfortable and maybe give more space for cargo.

@notsureyou 7 ай бұрын

I think you mean room for another seat? Because that's what'll happen...

@kevonvideo 7 ай бұрын

@@notsureyouSadly, that's already happening to the current A350 at some airlines 😭

@johniii8147 6 ай бұрын

Then it would be new aircraft and not the 350. Not happening anytime soon.

@984francis 5 ай бұрын

I didn’t realize Liberace is an aircraft commentator 😁

@EC4U2C_Studioz 7 ай бұрын

A350NEO should handle a non-stop London to Auckland route.

@johniii8147 6 ай бұрын

It can’t be handled when it doesn’t exist

@davidcarter4247 7 ай бұрын

Airbus needs a new engine to offer a Neo variant. The front running RR Ultrafan is now being spoken of as a 2030s engine (certainly for ETOPS) . It has a substantially greater diameter than the A350's present Trent XWB, half a metre more. The Ultrafan is however close in diameter to the 777X's GE9X. An Ultrafan powered "777Max" would be easier to achieve than a A350Neo, which might need a taller undercarriage although that brings the bonus of a potential stretch to a true 777-9 competitor..

@johniii8147 6 ай бұрын

The Ultafan won't be going on the 777. GE has an excusive deal with Boeing.

@davidcarter4247 6 ай бұрын

@@johniii8147 I would expect that deal is limited to the 777X. Boeing will throw open the competition for the 777X successor's engine.

@johniii8147 6 ай бұрын

@@davidcarter4247 That is so far in the future now, wouldn't really worry about it at this point.

@davidcarter4247 6 ай бұрын

@johniii8147 and so is the A350neo, which is what prompted this thread

@johniii8147 6 ай бұрын

@@davidcarter4247 Agreed there. It will be status quo well into the 2030. Airbus, Boeing and the engine makers have more than enough to keep them busy for now and selling out.

@terencereeder9830 7 ай бұрын

They continually improve the aircraft now ,no aircraft manufacturer stands still they always seek improvement.

@GeorgeDale-bm5us 7 ай бұрын

FFS! The plural of "aircraft" is aircraft: ie NO "s".

@Kyleinasailing 6 ай бұрын

Ultrfan won't be ready for sometime yet and GE and Boeing, I doubt will allow their engine, for the airbus. So, everybody just be thankful for what you've got, for the moment.

@johniii8147 6 ай бұрын

Yep. Boeing and GE have an agreement that the GE9X is exclusive to the 777. GE pulled out of putting an engine on the 350 so Airbus was left with only RR

@dedsert9653 2 ай бұрын

how is GE the most likely to get the contract with airbus when rolls royce has exclusivity for the A-350 currently and is testing a new more powerful and more efficient engine the ultrafan?

@markcrane9661 5 ай бұрын

So this is an advert for GE

@reginaldopriore2751 7 ай бұрын

Some comparisons shows the A350 1k is more efficient than the 777-X with the Trent XWB, Why american air companies do not order the 777-X? If Emirates cancel their 777-X order, the 777-x progam will be cancel too.

@mmm0404 7 ай бұрын

Emirates cancelling the 777X order is just as unlikely as airbus cancelling the a350 program . People don't realise that Emirates NEEDs the 777X to replace the a380 , they don't have any other choice or reason the cancel even if they wanted to

@artrandy 7 ай бұрын

@@mmm0404 Agreed, Emirates can moan about delays, but they have no choice but to continue waiting. However, since they are now extending the use of A380s until the next decade, they are not too hopeful about B777X deliveries by 2025, if your theory about replacing the A380 holds any water. I would say that the 777X is intended to run parallel with the 380s. If Airbus pulls an A350neo out of the hat, it still wont beat the B777X into service, even if the FAA impose some further delays. The problem is if Emirates take a liking to their new A350s due next year, there's a cross over between the two, and the A350 might pinch orders otherwise going to Boeing in the future, before they take on the B777X..............

@johniii8147 6 ай бұрын

There is no current need for the 777-X by US carriers. Generally too large for the multiple hub strategy. Each of the big 3 have 6 hubs they funnel international traffic through. The combined 41 777-300ERs that AA and UA have for a few very high demand routes are young (less than 10 years old) so there is no pressing need currently for such large aircraft. Both are focused on the 787 for long haul travel. There is virtually no risk of EK canceling the 777X orders. In fact, they just added 90 more to their order book. Now have 200 on order.

@simonschuck3780 6 ай бұрын

You’re pronouncing Bombardier incorrectly.

@ronanaviation9520 7 ай бұрын

Yeah, no. There are some airlines that won't beg for the a350neo because it just won't work. And also THE A350 WAS MADE 12 YEARS AGO. ITS TOO EARLY!!!! WAIT ANOTHER 30 YEARS AND MAYBE THE A350 NEO MIGHT BE A CONSIDERATION BY AIRBUS BUT NOT NOW

@johniii8147 6 ай бұрын

Maybe another 10 to 20 years.

@ronanaviation9520 6 ай бұрын

@@johniii8147 yeah. Wouldn't be surprised if this channel made a video called: EVERY AIRLINES WANTS THE NEW A321XLRNEO NOW!

@ociniago2257 7 ай бұрын

It was actually the 380 that airbus gambled against the 787. Airbus argued that the future would be hub to hub. Boeing's was point to point. Boeing won. And the 380 is now slowly out of the skies. Short lived.

@johniii8147 6 ай бұрын

The 380 was officially launched well before the 787. Development started long before the 787. But correct, the gamble was a huge loss for Airbus and Boeing judged the market better.

@ImionsaeXwb77 5 ай бұрын

Airbus has always played Ketchup with Boeing.........

@johniii8147 5 ай бұрын

@@ImionsaeXwb77 Not so much in recent years. Particularly in the narrow body space it's Boeing playing catch up.

@ImionsaeXwb77 5 ай бұрын

@@johniii8147 How so... I don't see boeing copying what airbus did... 747, airbus 380, 787, airbus 350, bus a220, boeing, - your good keep that......

@user-oj4xp2lh4d 6 ай бұрын

Easily the best long range aircraft on the market.Great to look at and super to fly in.

@sylsgn2966 7 ай бұрын

It seems pretty obvious for every body but I am missing this point. Why couldn't Airbus just power their A350NEO with the GE9X ?

@artrandy 7 ай бұрын

The RR exclusivity deal on A350. What do you think gives RR the confidence to develop the costly UltraFan, if they've nothing to put it on? If you research RR 'press releases', they state that developments already achieved on UF can be used to further develop existing engines. That infers engines for a widebody neo. If that engine is more efficent than the GE9X, and the latter has been in development for 10 years, RR will be offering the next generation of engine on the A350. But nobody knows, its all conjecture, and reading between the lines is all we can do, but if Airbus do think the 777X market is financially viable enough to compete in, they and RR have had 5 years of delays to their Boeing competitor to pull something out of the hat......

@johniii8147 6 ай бұрын

GE has an exlusive agreement with Boeing for the GE9X only on the 777. The engine has been designed specifically for the 777.

@johniii8147 6 ай бұрын

@@artrandy RR has publicly said it's waiting for a new airframe to the Ultra on. It's slow tracked the development of the Ultra. Probably 10 years or so before we see it in service. Airbus is also in no rush. They have their hands full as it is.

@aarronhanson6248 6 ай бұрын

Given Emirates hold back on ordering the A350-1k I think Rolls ultrafan could be a good idea to improve on the current version. It could also open possibilities for a larger A350-2k version to bring into the frame and couple that development cost into the neo development costs for the A350, and apoligies for maybe a distasteful analogy killing 2 birds with one stone.

@johniii8147 6 ай бұрын

The Ultafan is ways off yet.

@nightshift5201 5 ай бұрын

It never ceases to amaze me when narrators on aviation channels use the word "aircrafts." So amateurish. 1:54

@davidhunt3808 6 ай бұрын

Instead of it being exclusively just Rolls Royce engines they should ensure that GE engines can be put on it . Their sales would increase .

@johniii8147 6 ай бұрын

Not likely. GE and Boeing have an agreement in place that the GE engine of the category is exclusive to Boeing. also, both GE and RR would agree The market for such large aircraft is too small to be competing on each air frame. They have to have a built-in market to justify the billions upon billions that it requires to develop sit search engines. Classic duopoly at the top of the market.

@zacherius137 7 ай бұрын

Nobody is begging for a 350NEO. No-bo-dy

@Trancial-x-tion 5 ай бұрын

Yes there is ! The Airbus fanboys ! 😄🤭

@tornadoxt 7 ай бұрын

Why doesn't Airbus have a a350 800 to compete with the 787

@swg_fpv 7 ай бұрын

They did, but it didn't sell well, and was cancelled. Same with the a320neo family. Originally, the a319 and a320 were most popular, whilst now, the a321neo is most popular and the a319neo has very few orders.

@Sacto1654 7 ай бұрын

Actually, the A320neo is still selling well, especially to European and Asian carriers.

@swg_fpv 7 ай бұрын

@@Sacto1654 I never said it wasn't? I said the a321neo was most popular and that the a319neo had very few orders. The a320neo is similarly popular to the a321neo. But yes, you're right. I think you might have missed the emphasis of my comment though.

@miks564 7 ай бұрын

@@swg_fpv ...also because they've decided to continue with the A330neo program. I suspect it would be easier for them to adapt the A330 production for the neos, than to build shorter versions of the A350. ...so, we could say the A330neo became the A350-800, it even shares A350 flight systems.

@frenchcountryball3138 7 ай бұрын

Because the a350 was designed to fight with the 777 not the 787s. The 787s were supposed to be fought by the a330 neo which failed and making new variants of a plane isnt that easy

@frednoname3714 6 ай бұрын

After success of LEAF engines SAFRAN try the RISE engine totaly wide open-fan. Where in facts engine's fans becomes propellers 😅 without being turbo-peopeller engine. BIG BIG problems for Boeing a bit same 737... lack of space under wings even on moderns design. Larger engine less consuming than small diameter. Airbus just saw ahaid . For long first fly by wire first composits uses and larger space for low consumming engines. ( anyway no problem LEAF are from GE/SAFRAN joint venture do they coop on RISE ? Hope so)

@johniii8147 6 ай бұрын

Not really big problems for Boeing. That engine is a long time off in going into service. IF every. Not even clear yet its a workable concept. If it is introduced it will be on the next clean sheet designs for narrow bodies for either Airbus or Boeing.

@gower23 4 ай бұрын

Agree. RISE concept may never be anything more than vapourware. It drops a contra-rotating propeller as a workaround to the obscene noise generated by propfans, but this in itself results in a 20% efficiency penalty. Doubtful that it will ever reach prototype.

@johniii8147 4 ай бұрын

@@gower23 they have played around with the concept for years and never seems to work this dates all the way back to the 1970s

@gower23 4 ай бұрын

@@johniii8147 Correct. The noise problem with propfans doesn't seem to have a real solution without sacrificing efficiency, so there doesn't seem to be much point.