Pretty good but you need a lower tier for Eagle Eye
@Igor3693 жыл бұрын
Year 6 of waiting Hota team to do something about it...
@SvobodovaEva3 жыл бұрын
@@Igor369 Scholar and Eagle eye should morph into one skill.
@Igor3693 жыл бұрын
@@SvobodovaEva It would still be bad, scholar is only good on secondary heroes, eagle eye requires you to fight... and live... I do not remember if it even works when you retreat from a fight.
@martinkunev99113 жыл бұрын
@@SvobodovaEva Since Eagle eye literally does nothing so this will not fix the issue. Eagle eye needs to do something more than let you learn spells to be useful, for example some chance to cast a spell (or something like give the hero two casts per round every other round). Sorcery could work if the coefficient is higher (e.g. like archery's 10/25/50%).
@SvobodovaEva3 жыл бұрын
@@martinkunev9911 It would not fix the issue completely but at least it would get rid of one useless skill to choose from.
@vojtechvanek16863 жыл бұрын
It's always really nice when you get Witch's Hut with Estate, Logistics or Scouting for all your side heroes.
@user-yl1zx7cd1w3 жыл бұрын
Far better scholar with necromancy for your main )
@DOGEreal Жыл бұрын
It's a lot better when I get an Earth Magics from a witch hut with my main.
@naitsirk323 жыл бұрын
These videoes are highly entertaining, keep it going
@eriphilus24483 жыл бұрын
Regarding Wisdom skill, I think is more than essential. Without it is like, bye bye Town Portal or any other above lvl 2 magic.
@KyRaiden3 жыл бұрын
Yes. You put eath magic as must, but wisdom at maybe. Without it you dont have more than 1and 2 level spels. Its S top list.
@likenot30733 жыл бұрын
Wisdom isn't good or bad. It's okay safe skill to not feel like your hero is ruined. Slow is the best spell in game and is tier 1. For wisdom you need lot of mana, either mage guild or pandora box or scholar hero. If you get lucky and find earth tome it becomes eagle eye tier skill
@mato3362 Жыл бұрын
you can still use the spells from scrolls or books, no?
@cobrazax Жыл бұрын
exactly! how is wisdom not S tier? it enables u all the BEST spells in the game, including critical control spells!!
@andriusjanusauskas10976 ай бұрын
H3 hota team need just get rid of it, and made simple as in h5.
@geroszekeres71363 жыл бұрын
Great content!! I remember I bought HOMM 3 The Restauration of Erathia back in 2000. I was 7 years old at that time and I was begging my mother to buy it for me due to the beauty of the CD cover. Fast forward 20 years and I still play HOMM 3 constantly. Back then I didn't know what a gem I just bought. I remember watching the trailer with awe and fear especially at that part when the Medusa petrified the Arch Mage. It gave me nightmares as a kid... But now it just fuels my constant nostalgy over this masterpiece of a game. HOMM 3 and AoE 2 defined my childhood. Thank you again for the great content. :D.
@dicsakbuksi9093 жыл бұрын
Külön élmény, hogy ezt a kommentet egy magyartól látom :D same feels :D
@geroszekeres71363 жыл бұрын
@@dicsakbuksi909 köszönöm szépen a komentre. Különös élmény h kapjak egy magyar embert aki szereti ezt a játékot!!
@MajesticDemonLord3 жыл бұрын
You should let your mum know this story and how it still means something to you
@geroszekeres71363 жыл бұрын
@@MajesticDemonLord I remind her almost every week about the impact these games had on me. Sadly, being a boomer she always nags me about not reading enough, not being much affected by my passion for games. However, she is mother and I will always respect her point of view.
@manupainkiller Жыл бұрын
@@geroszekeres7136 Your mother, being a "boomer", was quite nice to buy the game for you. My mother (both parents, actually) never conceived the idea to pay for something as trivial as "video games" or movies. My first game ever bought, was Diablo 2 LOD, in 2007, with MY lunch money from high school, saved across 2 months or something (and keeping the money-saved as secret - otherwise, she wouldn't have given me money the next day). And I bought diablo 2 because it was, and still regard as, the best game I played (along with half-life). And the fact that I wanted to play it online, "legit" way. So yea...I think your mother is a nice person, and did the right thing back then DESPITE her personal views. By the way, I'm from Romania. We love HOMM as well ! (as well as most of central/ east europe) :D
@leafsfanforever28963 жыл бұрын
Leadership is a big game changer because with Expert Leadership, your hero can have multiple faction units and not have his/her morale affected
@balazsfenyes3880 Жыл бұрын
Nothing is more frustrating than loosing morale in a fight.
@Nik_M113 жыл бұрын
Love these videos Lexi ! Hope you make more. Take care !
@Murgraht3 жыл бұрын
I love those ranking videos! Cheers from Poland!
@Janshevik3 жыл бұрын
I'd disagree water magic being below fire magic. Water magic has some nice mass spells, with a pseudo haste in prayer and cure/dispel when the opponent casts a mass debuff on your army. Mass bless also improves your damage output. High level may not be that impactful, but as you mentioned clone is good and water walk even not being the top has some uses.
@webbowser88343 жыл бұрын
I find that the tier 3+ water spells just aren't worth it, but might heroes really do appreciate mass bless and mass cure.
@brianmayabella59923 жыл бұрын
Fire magic is useful compare to Water. Contains the powerful spell, mind affecting spell (berserk), and blind. You could say is the water is the counter for fire spell. However, the spell Armageddon in the hands of dungeon, inferno or conflux is so destructive even the all the school of magic combine. The downside is it depends of what faction u use, luck of getting armageddon and it is long game play
@Janshevik3 жыл бұрын
@@brianmayabella5992 yes, those fire spells are good, but what I had in mind is that expertise doesn't bring that dramatic of increase, while water has more relevant mass spells, where expert expertise is mandatory. Basic Forgetfulness is useless, but expert one can make some battles where you'd suffer severe losses into no loss battles.
@webbowser88343 жыл бұрын
@@brianmayabella5992 frankly disagree. Fire Magic doesn't actually enhance blind all that much outside of slightly reducing the MP cost, which isn't worth a skill slot. Armageddon is very strong, but it's also extremely hard to obtain. Bless and Cure on the other hand, are both extremely easy to obtain and give your army a very noticeable boost. Water also has a useful early damage spell in ice bolt, which fire magic lacks.
@brianmayabella59923 жыл бұрын
@@webbowser8834 thats why i said depending on your faction. Dungeon, inferno and comflux have highest roll obtaining armageddon. Also like, necro cant get bless spell in their library or inferno / dungeon rarely get prayer spell. The tier list Lexiav is not about availability, its about the ability to win games once u have it. Believe me, if i am dungeon hero and there is a roll between Water and Fire Magic, i go for Fire likewise for Castle heroes for water magic.
@connybengtsson93043 жыл бұрын
Amazing video! And extra cred That You explained for us not playing Hota What was nerfed and what was buffed!
@webbowser88343 жыл бұрын
Lexiav: Necromancy is A tier Also Lexiav: Skeletons are D tier
@CthulhuAndariel3 жыл бұрын
The thing is in numbers If you had a stack of 100000 peasants and you could make them hit something they'd be impactful as well (*Republic of China intensifies*)
@brianmayabella59923 жыл бұрын
Its called synergy. Its useless without the other.
@DOGEreal2 жыл бұрын
He didn't mean the numbers. He was talking about the stats, hp, dmg, speed, and how good they are in a scenario with the same army, no more, no less. 1 centaur is definitely better than 1 skeleton
@rowangarner96273 жыл бұрын
As someone who is getting more into HoMM III again and hasn't played competitively I really enjoy and, find this kind of content valuable. It's help all the information and tid bits you share that otherwise I'd miss out on. I would like to see how you rank each hero in hota. I understand would be a lot of work. Great video, thanks for improving my knowledge of one of my all time favorite games. I'm excited to see what you rank next!
@anthonydahl59983 жыл бұрын
Just discovered HOTA and your channel as well. Love your expertise at the game and your explanations as well. Nice and usefull video! Thanks!
@dinohunter717610 ай бұрын
Water magic, with mass dispell, mass cure, mass bless etc is sick. I'd put on A.
@hanschr.lauridsen87953 жыл бұрын
I agree with most of your rankings. Especially the 4 magic schools. I've always felt that Water needed a higher damage spell (maybe a blizzard or something similar to deep freeze in homm5) to better match the other schools (meteor shower, implosion, armageddon and chain lightning). But it has some uses, such as your mention of prayer and clone. Others include teleporting hydras behind castle walls, mass cure/dispel can be OK, and on a few rare occasions mass forgetfulness can be usable
@garyco766 Жыл бұрын
Agreed, Water is underrated, specifically for mass cure and clone (and sometimes prayer in a tough fight). I'd put it as high B tier (still not a skill you'd pick if you got to pick your top 8... or even made a top 10 list.
@plasmahvh Жыл бұрын
@@garyco766 in pve it is a must. or in challenge maps rather. forgetfulness / cloning archangels is a must
@n00bultima3 жыл бұрын
Sad that water magic wasn't one rank higher for us to get a diagonal row of magic schools. :(
@brianmayabella59923 жыл бұрын
True, water magic is useful to combat type faction. Generally its not that useful compare to Earth and Air.
@swampsect Жыл бұрын
Damn, HOMM 2 & 3 were my favorite games as a kid, finally decided to get homm 3 ultimate from GOG and also slapped on the HD mod & HotA and man... having such a blast. Thanks for this list btw!
@TheMelnTeam3 жыл бұрын
HOMM 5 made learning a serious consideration, still a meme in HOMM 3 :).
@Dualities3 жыл бұрын
HOMM 3 with no multiplayer is a meme or do u have to have a original game for that? a lot of people don't have original game but downloaded one
@TheMelnTeam3 жыл бұрын
@@Dualities I don't know the answer to your question offhand, the downloaded game from GOG can do MP though. The point of my post was actually that HOMM 5 buffed learning, you get a pretty big boost to primary stats from it in addition to its unlocks + the XP itself.
@Dualities3 жыл бұрын
@@TheMelnTeam yeah it was actually quite easy. it a little challenge to find the original game tho. vas trying to torrent something...but at the end I got Heroes_of_Might_and_Magic_III_Complete_Edition__Patch_GOG then i update it with the new community mod...and voila...I was surprised when i saw multiplayer lobbies...remind me of cod days lol or battlefield heroes days discord.com/channels/526367021600997377/526431520941015088/783861461671084063 are there any other big changes...I read somewhere they removed angels? why? or was that in original update
@pawlo6693 жыл бұрын
@@Dualities i have og file but its win7/8
@CriminaIlyInsane3 жыл бұрын
whats great about water magic is that you can clone archangels and resurrect with them infinitely
@DuelistFencing Жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's not always good but it definitely has some nice use cases
@dinohunter717610 ай бұрын
Yes, assuming the clone is killed after using resurrect.
@Ducky-vl7mp3 жыл бұрын
These tier lists are so fun! Do spell tier list next.
@laurens41023 жыл бұрын
Love these tier lists! Can you do a long one for all monsters/spells?
@ericperestrelo37983 жыл бұрын
yo lexi good shit bruh, really liked ur tier list, i would really like to see a unit tier list xd
@abradusthalas27933 жыл бұрын
Great vid, but I would like to see maybe in another vid on how would you fix/improve the lower skills to make them more viable. It could be an interesting discussion.
@robertgaudet74073 жыл бұрын
Diplomacy is a hard skip in Hota. Their nerfs were very effective.
@badmanvip68003 жыл бұрын
I love how you talk to your viewers like were 3 years old :D
@Dualities3 жыл бұрын
hey maybe I'm. sometimes simplicity is nice
@piotrtoborek24423 жыл бұрын
Those are officially called "Secondary skills" not "Adventure skills" :P (Primary skills are A, D, K, P) That said everything else is pretty accurate and this guide will be a great help for any players new to PvP. One thing to add: Diplomacy lowers the level requirement for library (2 levels per mastery), so level 4 hero with expert diplo can get sweet +2 all boost effectively doubling his early game power (even better for might heroes to increase magic skills), this is so niche though... :D Good job!
@martinkunev99113 жыл бұрын
Adventure skills are those secondary skills which help your hero on the adventure map. These are the skills that do not affect your units or spells during a battle. Logistics, Pathfinding, Navigation, Scouting, Diplomacy, Estates, Learning. You could probably also classify Necromancy, Scholar, Eagle eye, Mysticism and Intelligence as such.
@piotrtoborek24423 жыл бұрын
@@martinkunev9911 This isn't an official name though. I specified it in my comment that official name is "Secondary Skills".
@martinkunev99113 жыл бұрын
@@piotrtoborek2442 There is no official name for the thing described. "Secondary Skills" means something different. You can call them "Adventure Map Secondary Skills" if you prefer.
@piotrtoborek24423 жыл бұрын
@@martinkunev9911 This would be more accurate, indeed. Calling them "adventure skills" is also acceptable as long as everyone know what You mean exactly.
@cosminmihai12293 жыл бұрын
Diplomacy can be used to take the library at level 6, you forgot to mention
@stambe86053 жыл бұрын
More specifically, you can take library at 8th lvl with basic Diplo, at 6th lvl with advanced Diplo and at 4th lvl with expert Diplo. Also reduces the cost of surrendering by 20/40/60%.
@mz58052 жыл бұрын
@@stambe8605 omg I did no know that!
@stambe86052 жыл бұрын
@@mz5805 :)
@atommindproject90603 жыл бұрын
In Wake of Gods the First Aid and Ballistics are insanely good and are GOD tier with a specialist hero who have them as a skill. :)
@plasmahvh Жыл бұрын
artillery also as a stronghold hero due to the commander specialty
@atommindproject9060 Жыл бұрын
@@plasmahvh That's straight up cheating using that skill though. :D :) I ban it.
@GRIMHOOD993 жыл бұрын
You did water magic dirty.
@caseyhansen18125 ай бұрын
Wisdom is S-tier. You always put yourself in a position to acquire game-breaking abilities, and Town Portal/Dimension Door/Implosion/Resurrection are essential if you're playing a difficult/competitive campaign.
@ROLKISSSSSS3 жыл бұрын
I would not be placing armor on the top of the tier. Was fun to watch all that. Did not expect that :D Great video! :)
@robertgaudet74073 жыл бұрын
Armorer is good on an armorer specialist... in which case they start with it. Otherwise I'm pretty much with you. It's really clutch when it does make the difference between losing a tier seven and not but... logistics or tactics or earth magic would work that slot much harder.
@mariuscarausu93523 жыл бұрын
@@robertgaudet7407 Vampires with armorer and offense are just fin ruthless.You'll struggle to lose them
@AndreasVNesje3 жыл бұрын
Water magic with the correct faction is at least B tier. Expert bless on early conflux play is OP
@pawlaczek13973 жыл бұрын
Great Vid Rytis!! Even i play Hota alot and most of it is known to me, kind of videos are really enjoyable to watch and even more when You say about Your examples like with tactics. Keep it goin
@alexssain Жыл бұрын
Navigation and wisdom on the same tier... i have no words
@jarirepo11722 жыл бұрын
Scouting is really difficult to evaluate. It does not seem to do much, but it can save you a lot of wasted movement... and any skill granting extra movement is extremely good. While there are so many skills you want your main hero to have, that hero often does lot of spearheading into new territory as well. Hm, gotta try it out I guess. What a game, always something to experiment with...
@Webiz3693 жыл бұрын
A good, informative and an entertaining video. Would you perhaps consider doing a tier list for hero classes, heroes, spells, major/minor artefact as well?
@nein13363 жыл бұрын
I personally would place Air Magic into S tier too, because it has also strong early, mid and late game spells like haste, lightning bolt or chain lightning and even dimension door and fly. AND when you play against necropolis, an expert killing undead spell could be useful too.
@mariuscarausu93523 жыл бұрын
I'd put Air Magic S tier and Fire/Water on A tier.You don't really want all 4 on the same hero but if you cannot get both earth and air magic on a hero ,you can easily replace them with 1 of the other 2(especially air with water)
@worldofnorman2 жыл бұрын
Wisdom is really essential so I would not put it below S. You can't have TP (or DD or Fly or Armageddon) without wisdom (unless you have an artifact of the book of earth magic or other tome books that are rare). Maybe if you are playing with Barbarians on a medium map but in 95% of cases you need wisdom (long term) and its not even a question. The rest is pretty spot on and I really enjoy your content.
@01gg012 жыл бұрын
You don't need wisdom to town portal or dimension door. You can use it without wisdom... many misunderstanding. You can use it if you have a scroll without wisdom and you can use it if you have a tome of magic like tome of air magic and you can use dimension door without wisdom. You only need wisdom if you want to learn it from mage guild or something...
@cobrazax Жыл бұрын
@@01gg01 so there is a good chance that you wont be able to use town portal, as u must have that specific scroll, or that specific tome. its still an S tier as u cant regularly rely on that, and even then, u would miss a lot of other good spells.
@plushysheep10 ай бұрын
That's why he put it as "It's good when you need it" but it's not a must pick. Situational like others@@cobrazax
@cobrazax10 ай бұрын
@@plushysheep its super useful in almost every game, especially if u cannot reliably get the scroll or tome. ive almost never got these in my games. town portal was the best spell in the game for me, and allowed me to literally be everywhere with my main army.
@plushysheep10 ай бұрын
Might be a template-specific situation then. I can see your point.@@cobrazax
@blackwidow78043 жыл бұрын
Diplo is solid S tier. Whenever you get it you win. And water skill is better than fire skill becouse arma or blind is still powerfull without it. Its only curse and berserk which benefit a lot from fire skill. However a lot of water magic spells are greatly enhanced with water skill.
@VASM1606893 жыл бұрын
Interesting tier list! Although I disagree with the placement of water magic as its strong spells are game changing in my opinion. Bless, cure, clone, forgetfullness and prayer, as well as water walk outside of combat, can be very powerful in their own right. And prayer is offense/armorer/haste spell all in one.
@brianmayabella59923 жыл бұрын
I pick water depending on faction the same as fire magic. Its not really reliable if you are Necro, inferno, or dungeon. do you know why?
@DOGEreal2 жыл бұрын
I think mysticism should be higher. It was a game changer for me because there was no magic well and i only had 50 mana in total with my wizard and no army at all.
@Parasmunt5 күн бұрын
My list in order from best downwards Wisdom, Earth, Logistics, Offence, Necromancy, intelligence, Air, Armory = my perfect 8
@KallenSC7 ай бұрын
S tier - Diplomacy, Necromacy, Air magic, Earth Magic, Logistics A Tier - Offense, Archery, Wisdom, Fire Magic, Water Magic B tier - Leardership, Luck, Tactics, Armor, Inteligence, Sorcery, Arthilery C tier - Resistance, pathfinding, Mystics, Baslistic, Estates, navigation D tier - Scholar, First Aid, Learning, Eagle Eye - I don't count HotA changes
@Eye_Exist10 ай бұрын
i'm not saying Eagle Eye isn't a waste of skill slot, but it does have one competent use: a defender hero in a high priority town constantly attacked by the enemy, especially if its stronghold or fortress with only access to level 3 mage guild. having the eagle eye on your defender hero can rather quickly give him access to all the spells of the enemy teams, and with scholar you can pass them to your other heroes well.
@aleksandar53233 жыл бұрын
Luck is very useful for low-attack units and/or high defence enemies. You get a 12.5% chance for a +100% base damage hit. If you spec for defence only then you can wait for luck and destroy your enemy while they do very little damage to you :)
@ungrimironfist57403 жыл бұрын
I really like Leadership, especially together with Luck. How cool isn't it to get to move again, and then also get luck on the second go? Sometimes you get double move with luck on both as well. Really good on might heroes. Of course I'd prefer Pendant of Courage, but you can't depend on finding that. I don't like Leadership or Luck so much on their own, but by stacking them together, they make eachother even more effective.
@Draregkoeliekalie Жыл бұрын
I remember an rampart campaign where i had both on max. It was beautiful indeed
@trevorp8753 жыл бұрын
100% Agree with you on the scouting. I use to ignore it when I was younger. Now I target items with it and I can see so much more with just basic scouting. It wins games by giving you way more information. Love witch huts with it. All delivery heroes pick it up.
@zp38883 жыл бұрын
Water magic is a must if you have archangels. Expert clone and you never loose a unit. Bless and cure are also very handy.
@DOGEreal2 жыл бұрын
Also Bless on Archangels are so OP
@gbs50095 ай бұрын
@@DOGEreal Bless does doodly for them... they don't have a damage range.
@DOGEreal5 ай бұрын
@@gbs5009 That's the joke
@stuartbailey5985 Жыл бұрын
So by logic, if earth magic is s tier meaning you can't live without it, and this is predominantly for 3 spells, tp, resurrection, and implosion, all which are tier 4 or above meaning they require wisdom, then wisdom must too be s tier as without it you can't really use earth magic at all outside of slow...
@DOGEreal Жыл бұрын
You can use higher tier spells without Wisdom. It annoys so much that people think that you can't use T4/T3/T5 spells without Wisdom, I guess it's the games fault for not mentioning it. Most of the time you get higher tier spells from Scrolls or Tomes, and you do not need wisdom to use Implosion, Town Portal, or anything if you have scrolls or tomes.
@Jannikjr3 жыл бұрын
Have you made a tierlist for creatures? Saw another do it, but I really like your explanations :-D
@mineman21423 жыл бұрын
picked up 240 master genies last night with diplomacy. it was like week 3
@dinohunter717610 ай бұрын
I'd put logistics on B or C. If have town portal or fly or dimension door, logistics is almost useless. Boots, gloves can compensate well against the lack of logistics.
@florianhofmann75536 ай бұрын
Since the nerf in hota I too am trying to avoid logistics.
@nemlas853 жыл бұрын
wait, Wisdom is only A tier? then how will you use Town portal for your S tier Earth magic ? or Resurrection? or even Animate Dead? or Dimension door from the Air pack? or Armageddon with AntiMagic? or any remotely useful level 3+ spell? I mean, it is not exciting skill. it is just necessary, more important to have than anything.
@mariuscarausu93523 жыл бұрын
I agree it should be S tier,but if you get an earth tome(or town portal scroll+ ressurection/animate dead scroll) and either an air tome,a wizard hat,angel wings,scroll with dim door/fly or on some maps levitating boots or water tome will do.
@fredericbouchardwong45962 жыл бұрын
Love the points, especially on magic schools and wisdom
@jakistam10003 жыл бұрын
For all skills changed in HotA, you mentioned the change... except Scouting. So: in SoD, Scouting gives +1/+2/+3 scouting radius. In HotA, it's +1/+3/+5.
@Lexiav3 жыл бұрын
Yea! Good notice. I almost never played SoD at a high PvP level so i'm not fully aware of all these diffences i guess. Thanks for mentioning! I'll know from now on :D
@crimsonlightbinder3 жыл бұрын
resurrection is not the only way keep ALL your units. Clone a powerstack of archangels and they will resurrect a whole lot more than expert resurrection. Clone makes water magic relevant. Also, bias towards archery is like, wtf? you literally have a crappy tier 3 spell which does exactly the same thing
@naruchan10103 жыл бұрын
Nice video, keep 'em coming! I made a guessing game out of that and guessed mostly right - yay! :D I only would have thought Water Magic and Wisdom would be a bit higher. (Wisdom cause you kinda need it for Town Portal or DD, when you don't have a scroll.) Have a good one. :)
@cobrazax Жыл бұрын
only wisdom seems critical here. water magic doesnt really do much.
@naruchan1010 Жыл бұрын
@@cobrazax Depends on the map you play. I'm currently addicted to the Maelstrom Map and Visions, Clone and Waterwalk are extremely useful.
@cobrazax Жыл бұрын
@@naruchan1010 Are these in the base game? Not sure i got those...
@naruchan1010 Жыл бұрын
@@cobrazax No, the Maelstrom Scenario is in the Horn of the Abyss Addon.
@ivannikolov81943 жыл бұрын
I have to disagree with you saying water magic is as bad as it is. I mainly play fortress and having expert water magic with teleport can make wonders with MGs and CHs :). Also mass dispel, cure, bless and prayer make up for not having slow and haste. While I agree with it not being able to compete with earth and air magic it's not too farther below than fire magic imo :)
@bhizahr3 жыл бұрын
I value water magic with necro skelly army to teleport the skellies for the 3spell points and in sieges it's quite useful
@martinblake22783 жыл бұрын
Love your videos bro but Prayer and Clone are only C tier? If you are able to cast the first, it's like haste + bless + stone skin. A cloned Archangel means, no army losses and high tier unit deletion. A cloned Pitlord means more troops. A cloned Titan is almost gg. Also the ff: Cure, Bless, Summon Boat, Dispel, Weakness, Vision, Forgetfullness, Teleport, and Water Walk? Water has more utility than Fire.
@mariuscarausu93523 жыл бұрын
They're both pretty even to me tbf.Fire has Berserk,armagheddon and blind while water has cure/dispel,clone prayer and forgetfulness
@mariuscarausu9352 Жыл бұрын
@Maluga You need it for Berserk,on the other hand,as the enemy you need water to deal with it most likely.
@TheYostera3 жыл бұрын
Lexiav, you're awesome always :p
@vedmaburuxova68 Жыл бұрын
I don't play multiplayer, but I've used mysticism a couple times now and it feels really good. When I develop a hero so much that he doesn't need to go to town to restock I can just let him traverse the map for ages and never run out of spell points
@balazsfenyes3880 Жыл бұрын
In hota it's definately usable on mages, let's say you have a big battle and you are out of mana and you flew or dimensioned to explore, then you need to wait an infinity to use fly or DD or town portal again or wait 1 day to get 16 mana back which is enough for a town portal
@josephvanwyk2088 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, first list I agree with you. Town Portal game breaker hahah. I have played big maps and NO TOWN had town portal or scrolls lying around. The agony. Still won, just took forever. Scouting for me is A tier along with Logistics.
@babasemka2 жыл бұрын
Oh, and btw, the Offense skill does not affect shooters. Just so everybody knows. + Defense is trumping Offense. By a small margin, but still.
@akselallas55833 жыл бұрын
Do you know of "HotA Magic and Skills Balance Mod". There is an idea of moving Ressurection to water magic. Nerfing meteor shower, and buffing fireball + inferno for aoe damage. IMO these changes would be good for balancing schools of magic.
@Lexiav3 жыл бұрын
Yea, these would make them more fair. But in my opinion its more fun for them to be unbalanced as they are, whenever you get to win with fire/magic it feels really rewarding, and earth being busted after 20+ years feels like a core piece of the game. Much like angel being the most overpowered, cost effective unit is also a core part of the game. So i like changes that don't mess with the identity of the game too much like the mysticism number buff. I think heroes 3 is carried a lot by the Nostalgia and making the game different would go much against it.
@Lexiav3 жыл бұрын
Ah, so in the end i did not hear of the "HotA Magic and Skills Balance Mod" but in the end it doesn't sound interesting to me personally.
@hommhommhomm3 жыл бұрын
Balance is not always what is wanted. Imagine balancing all units. How do you make choices then, if imp and angel are as good as gryphon and halfling? Part of the game is that some things are better than others.
@endyourway87513 жыл бұрын
@@hommhommhomm u dont understand what balance means. It should be that everything can be usable with a similar probability of winning, that is, to be closely effective, this does not mean that a t1 is as powerful as a t7.
@hommhommhomm3 жыл бұрын
@@endyourway8751 Fair point but it's a bit more complicated than that. For example, towns are balanced against each other because player chooses a town. That's why it's not needed to balance each level 1 creature (e.g. imp being as effective as centaur). With heroes and secondary skills, everyone is picking from pretty much the same pool. I can get barbarian playing castle and that barbarian can get artillery, the same way knights do. So just because artillery sucks doesn't mean anything has to be changed, everyone has access to everything. Imagine that earth is level 7 creature and luck is level 2 creature. Now it would be problem if knights have bad chance to get e.g. earth and that makes the castle weak. But castle is not weak, it's great. The main balance problem is if some towns are never played, in that sense maybe inferno needs help. Worst skills could still be buffed, like learning.
@woutervisser8763 жыл бұрын
Artillery and Ballistics should be combined in 1 skill to make it more interesting, maybe even add in first aid
@daviddesgagne3 жыл бұрын
Yes, I also mentionned that fact once. These 3 should be combined in one for correct value.
@cobrazax Жыл бұрын
i always take ballistics as it makes sieges way easier, at least for any army without MANY ranged or fliers.
@Vincrand3 жыл бұрын
Gotta say that the choice between Eagle Eye and First Aid isn't one I want to make, but have to :(.
@tomasplanicka25393 жыл бұрын
I never pick tactics... because it is such a pain in the ass to use it :D
@martinkunev99113 жыл бұрын
I'd switch scouting and water magic.
@msxwindx32383 жыл бұрын
Why Estates is C, it's more like B imo. Perfect skill for not-main hero
@BaSsFrEaK043 жыл бұрын
It’s tough to create ranking, because at some points, you can give the sec. skill a massiv boost. Necro, e.g., in combination with the cloak of the undead King defintely is S. You can turn any creature into a skeleton and sacrafice them to get an army of Power Liches;) OC you must be lucky to get the 3 artefacts.. I mostly agree, but I‘d put Water to B, when you have Castle, because Clone is OP with Archangels^^
@happyfeet33863 жыл бұрын
Why is wisdom not essential? You need it for townportal right?
@OctoDog133 жыл бұрын
Tactics secure every poormaning, it's also a strong side of it. And also i believe you might have changed some artillery/ballistic description, not quite sure though. Nice vid anyway. Ty 4 content.
@BaileyFox18183 жыл бұрын
Personally I love using Water Magic and Clone alongside Archangels. Then again, I'm a casual
@ratatoskr10692 жыл бұрын
What did I miss about the wisdom skill? Is it only essential for using the mage guilds? Or do you also need it for using higher tier spells you find on the map? Like, do you get around it by finding spell books for example?
@jarirepo11722 жыл бұрын
You need wisdom for level 3,4 and 5 spells. Which would make me put it into S tier for town portal etc.EDIT: Oh, but you could get those spells from tomes or scrolls so it's not always absolutely necessary.
@caseyhansen18125 ай бұрын
I used to disregard water magic, but expert clone and prayer can break the game in the late game. I guess that depends on what your level 7 units are, but certainly with archangels it is insane.
@RhythmWithn3 жыл бұрын
I think apart from the final battle, current Misticism is two tiers above current Intelligence and I would pick it every time. But yeah, factoring the end fight in INT might be better
@HungNguyen-rj3ek3 жыл бұрын
How come Earth Magic activated without Wisdom lol 😂😂😂
@Lightning_Lance3 жыл бұрын
Shouldn't Navigation be top of A tier, or even low S tier. You can only get it on water maps now, right? So whenever it gets offered, that means it's a water map. In which case, it's probably more useful than Logistics? (unless there's only a little bit of water)
@Cyberdemon15427 ай бұрын
I love Water Magic because of Loynis.
@yifuhood3 жыл бұрын
water magic counter other schools of magics cure, dispel, forgetfulness. amazing defense magic for might heroes with mostly might skills
@klapacjuszanimomon85013 жыл бұрын
Water magic >fire magic
@antonyapostolov82523 жыл бұрын
No. Simply because getting expert level Berserk can win you fights alone. Berserk itself makes this skill top-tier and higher than Water Magic. I know with water magic you get mass dispel and cure and then can cure your berserked units, but if you can get berserk on the fastest ennemy units before ennemy can cast cure/dispel, you already pretty much won the fight.
@DjoleBravo Жыл бұрын
Nothing beats expert earth for slow and town portal and logistics. Edit: Wisdom is a must on the main hero ofc.
@balazsfenyes3880 Жыл бұрын
In Hota Resistance is replaced by Interference making it more useful against heroes. Wisdom should be in S, without wisdom there is no town portal, dd or armageddon. Town portal is essential on bigger maps.
@Rimmer78 ай бұрын
You can get spells like Town Portal without Wisdom through scrolls and tomes. And you usually have poor-man's Town Portal available unless the scenario doesn't allow you to lose your hero.
@deedoubs2 ай бұрын
Scouting strikes me as something that would be way more useful if Heroes 3 had fog of war.
@Parasmunt3 ай бұрын
Once my hero gets Earth, Offence and Archery i am fine.
@dimitaraleksandrov63813 жыл бұрын
Great tierlist! I really liked your justification. The reminder that magic schools and wisdom get offered every couple of levels is also great... I had played this game pretty much since the beginning and only learned it recently.. could have made much better choices when picking secondary skills in certain scenarios.. Also very interesting HOTA nerfs: did not know about Necro, Logistics, Intelligence.. come to think of it they all make sense to improve the game experience without drifting too far away from the original! A thing that bothers me is that too many games seem to be decided by cyclops from pickets.. is this a thing or it's jebus specific or maybe I've just seen a bunch of these games? Thanks and keep it up!
@Lexiav3 жыл бұрын
Hey! Thanks for nice comments :) Most templates games are decided by creature banks, since they are almost irreplacable. Reason is, building army is limited in quantity per week, so if you want big armies fast, farming creature banks is one of the only ways. Good news is, we recently had diplomacy come back into the game, giving a different possible option in which you actually build a late game army! Also people are creating templates for PvP which don't have these altogether. Personally i don't mind it either way, since the actual gameplay and the fun part is the build-up which is very different, based on faction, even if end game goal is very simmilar, in terms of army composition.
@admiraltonydawning38473 жыл бұрын
For a reason to pick up Leadership just watch the final battle in the "20IQ v 30IQ" video by TheKnownWorld.
@AeonQuasar3 жыл бұрын
Agree with most of this list. Maybe mystisism lower. In pvp I would ideally take: Earth Magic, Offense, Armor, Resistance, Interferance, Intelligence, Wisdom and one of Wind Magic/Water Magic/Fire Magic. If Dimension Door and fly is banned then Fire magic, if the other goes Resistance I go Water Magic. Against AI I would ideally take: Earth Magic, Wind Magic, Wisdom, Tactics, Offense, Logistic, Diplomacy and one wildcard depending on class.
@TheIlidius3 жыл бұрын
He basically placed sharingan into F tier :(
@Tibor08033 жыл бұрын
I think combining Interference with Resistance skills together against mage heroes is actually a real powerhouse especially if you obtain other magic blocking artifacts.
@Lightning_Lance3 жыл бұрын
Can you ever get them both? Doesn't Resistance replace Interference if you enable it?
@brianmayabella59923 жыл бұрын
This is good for combat type faction and also rampart which is their forte.
@milat92873 жыл бұрын
Under certain circumstances that were possible in the past, Resistance woulda easily been one of the best skills in the game, simply because if you get enough exp with Thorgrim, get him the Amulet of Resistance, and Expert Resistance, you'd eventually become pretty much immune to magic.
@cl88043 жыл бұрын
Armorer: "15% WOWOWOWOW BEST SKILL IN GAME BARELY WORSE THAN OFFENCE SO GOOD!! Offence: "30% may not sound like much [actually it sounds like 30% and twice of 15% either which does sounds like a lot] but it's actually really good; slightly better than Armorer!" Reality: Armorer is, on top of being nominally half the effect, infinitely worse than Offence, since doing more damage is inherently far superior to taking less, with the advantage of first strike.
@likenot30733 жыл бұрын
Simple counter to this would be barbarians being bottom tier, despite having almost none terrain penalty, rolling perfect secondary skills, and getting free artifacts from biome. Offence is great, better than armourer, but if you cant take fights where you will get hit, like shooting or fast guards, then you highly limit yourself in options. With armourer you bleed less, spend less mana on resurrection and in general make your army 15% bigger defense wise.
@quachaihiep32512 жыл бұрын
Defense > Offense in Late\ Mass Scale battle
@jarirepo11722 жыл бұрын
The math is not not intuitive here... Anything that lowers the dmg by % is much better the more you get it. If you have 50% of dmg reduction and your opponent has 100% more dmg, both nullify each other (100 dmg ---> 200 dmg; 200 x 0,5 =100). Lets say 100 base dmg x 1,3 with offence = 130 dmg. If other player has 30% of dmg reduction = 130 x 0,7 = 91 dmg. While percentages stay the same, armorer would be way superior with same %. As things scale up with stats, the math (which I have not personally verified) could turn into the favour of having armorer even with 15% being half of 30%.
@DOGEreal Жыл бұрын
Offense doesn't add damage to the shooters and you will have to take fights where you get hit, most of the time your powerstack will one-shot the enemy even without offense, but you have to fight with shooters, dragons, or high speed units and even if you only save only 15% of your losses every, it adds up fast unlike offense because there is a very high chance your power stack can already one-shot the guards, even if not, offense isn't gonna nearly as much as armorer against neutral fights because 90% of the fights you are gonna one-shot and if not then you are gonna save army almost every fight you, 15% is a lot more than it sounds like, for example if 10 archangel hits 10 archangel without armorer, it's gonna do 500 damage and 2 archangels will perish, with armorer the 10 archangels will only do 425 damage and only 1 archangel will perish.
@Retrowaveresearch3 жыл бұрын
keep it up buddy u are awesome i might not agree with everything but u are far more knowledgeable than i am.
@TheSpiritedFendron6 ай бұрын
updated tier-list for the complete edition?
@DarkflameEmperor Жыл бұрын
So many skills that could be revamped but I'm guessing it would change the game drastically to do so. Think of a hero only being able to know a limited number of spells. 5 without wisdom, 10 with basic, 20 advanced, and 30 expert. With the exception of Eagle Eye, which would be the only way to learn spells without filling up your limit. Stupid changes like this would change the game way too much and the mechanic of the wisdom limitaiton would require spells to cost resources to get (so heroes could choose what they get). Still was trying to revamp the idea of the magic skills. Overall seems like the developers just threw random skills in the game when it came to magic. The magic school skills themselves are a bit lazy too if you think about it. Would really like if the game reworked its magic system somehow because the might gameplay is a lot more fun if you look at it. The best spells are might affliction as well. (Slow is better than Blind or Berserk for example). Always neat to think of the potential of twnety year old games.
@engineerednaturalaesthetic5843 жыл бұрын
Very accurate. Agreed with almost every one
@awesomemccoolname7111 Жыл бұрын
Expert cure and expert prayer should put water magic in B tier, imho. Also, expert dispell detonates all the landmines on a tower town, which is super cool and useful since your units will literally walk through 3 or 4 of them if you aren't careful. Edit: Also, Loynis is my favorite hero, so I'm a tad biased, lol.
@DOGEreal Жыл бұрын
You will never ever use dispell to clear land mines, it can sometimes win games if opponent has ogrefist but couldn't find the anti-dispell orb, also opponent can't stack up buffs which is also pretty good. Prayer is a worse version of haste, if people ever cast prayer it's because Haste is removed because it's extremely good and makes the game miles easier, Loynis has such a cool speciality, unfortunately it's on a hero that rolls bad skills and starts with a dead skill.
@awesomemccoolname7111 Жыл бұрын
@𝗗𝗢𝗚𝗘 I will admit that learning sucks ass. It can be useful if you want to rush early game but overall it's terrible. His other skills aren't that bad though, I reliably get earth, air, and water with him. Pathfinder and logistics are common too.
@cobrazax Жыл бұрын
prayer doesnt seem to do much honestly... haste seems to just be better in most cases. and u dont need water magic for it.
@awesomemccoolname7111 Жыл бұрын
@cobrazax your second point is valid. water magic takes up a slot and with the exception of expert cure and prayer is not the best magic skill. However to your first point, prayer is amazing over the course of a game. The buff to defense and offense coupled with the speed boost means that 50 turns in your stacks are far better preserved.
@cobrazax Жыл бұрын
@@awesomemccoolname7111 Is the buff the same as expert bloodlust and stoneskin?
@golternator3333 жыл бұрын
So I need to pick first aid, learning, eagle eye, sorcery, ballistics, scholar, artillery and estates, check.
@alturiack8925 Жыл бұрын
Great video. Almost all skills in HoMM3 are more or less valuable. But Sorcery, First Aid, Learning and Eagle Eye are just pathetic. All my life i wandered how to change those to make them good but not OP immediately: 1.Sorcery: +10/15/20% to Spell EFFECTIVENESS, so it will effect spells like: Res, AD, Cure, Hypnosis witch are HP based, and also increase summons. 2.First Aid: +50/75/100 REGENARATION HP to ALL friendly units, basically like Potion of Life but with no extra HP 3. Learning: You can reroll skills and stats ONE/TWO/TREE TIMES every lvlup, so early game you can build your hero better, and late game you can pick more important stats for you like Knowledge or Spell Power. 4. Eagle Eye: I think this skill must stay as it is just for warning of making BAD skills for future.
@MaegnasMw3 жыл бұрын
Let's be clear here, no banned skill should have a place on any tier so Diplomacy should be Omega tier or below!
@MaegnasMw3 жыл бұрын
Dimension Door, Fly, Town Portal, Ressurection, Summon Elemental (ANY type), Meteor Shower, Implosion, Armageddon are level 1 or 2 spells in HotA?? If yes, then yes, Wisdom does not do anything for you.