Heron's Formula Proof (the area of a triangle when you know all three sides)

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blackpenredpen

blackpenredpen

Күн бұрын

We can find the area of any triangle with Heron's formula when we know the sides of the triangle. Here we will see how to prove the heron's formula, which is a classic trigonometric result. And because you like Hero's formula, you probably will also like the proof of the following...
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@BrainGainzOfficial
@BrainGainzOfficial 4 жыл бұрын
I've always used the law of cosines to prove it, but this is pretty slick! Thx bprp
@thereaction18
@thereaction18 4 жыл бұрын
Did they even have the law of cosines when Heron proved this?
@BrainGainzOfficial
@BrainGainzOfficial 4 жыл бұрын
The Reaction - No, but I believe his argument was purely geometric rather than algebraic.
@thereaction18
@thereaction18 4 жыл бұрын
@@BrainGainzOfficial I completely overlooked that they might have not even had algebra either. It would be nice to see how he did it.
@BrainGainzOfficial
@BrainGainzOfficial 4 жыл бұрын
The Reaction - check out chapter 5 of journey through genius by William Dunham. I think you can find it online for free. It’s a pretty interesting proof!
@IvanRandomDude
@IvanRandomDude 4 жыл бұрын
@@thereaction18 How do you mean they didn't have algebra? They obviously had it, at least geometric algebra
@akshatjangra4167
@akshatjangra4167 4 жыл бұрын
"HE RUNS" formula KZfaq's captions in a nutshell
@aashsyed1277
@aashsyed1277 3 жыл бұрын
i agreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
@debblez
@debblez 4 жыл бұрын
I love how he pronounces “cancelled” as “canceldid” so much
@mohamedsamsudeen7694
@mohamedsamsudeen7694 4 жыл бұрын
Cancelled it😊
@Kitulous
@Kitulous 4 жыл бұрын
splendid canceldid!
@Kitulous
@Kitulous 4 жыл бұрын
@Yosif Abbas and I can't believe I actually posted that
@tomatrix7525
@tomatrix7525 3 жыл бұрын
As a non native english speaker, (chinese for that matter, very different) he is thinking of cancelled as the base verb, and adding ed to make it past, but he is making a past tense go into like a double past tense, so he says cancelleded
@jostromp7380
@jostromp7380 3 жыл бұрын
2:42
@arsilvyfish11
@arsilvyfish11 4 жыл бұрын
Thats a nice proof without any trigo involved making it clean and simple😄
@musical_lolu4811
@musical_lolu4811 4 ай бұрын
If you look closer, you're actually indirectly proving the trig stuff (especially the cosine rule) along the way, you're just not explicitly stating the identity.
@carlkohweihao9584
@carlkohweihao9584 4 жыл бұрын
When you kept playing with the factorization rules at around 6:00, I already figured out how to prove Heron's formula. I tried to verify the formula years ago using the sine rule (A = ½bc sin t), but the equation got very complicated until I didn't know how to simplify it. This video shows the importance of mastering algebra, especially when it comes to solving simple problems like this.
@keertans7418
@keertans7418 6 ай бұрын
damn bro chill out
@yaleng4597
@yaleng4597 4 жыл бұрын
10:38 Never heard of that, but COOL!
@_.Infinity._
@_.Infinity._ 3 жыл бұрын
You know the one who is credited with the invention of zero is Aryabhatta, but this dude (Brahamagupt) was the one who first gave rules to actually use zero for calculations. His formula shown here is one of the first applications of setting the other side equal to zero to solve a problem. He also has contributions in fields like linear algebra, trigonometry and astronomy. Here's a link to his wiki page if you're interested in knowing more: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmagupta
@niyazikoken8836
@niyazikoken8836 4 жыл бұрын
Thats great video i always thought this theorem was long and needed so much effort so i never been curious about it and rarely used it but you changed my mind keep up the good work
@diffusegd
@diffusegd 4 жыл бұрын
I got asked to do this as an interview question It took some, to say the least...
@schizoframia4874
@schizoframia4874 3 жыл бұрын
Did you pass
@baselinesweb
@baselinesweb 8 ай бұрын
Your tone is really great - that is half the battle of being a good teacher. Great video I enjoyed it.
@GoingsOn
@GoingsOn 4 жыл бұрын
I’ve been wanting to see a proof of this formula for a while now. Thanks for showing this great proof!
@KaviAmanTenguriyaShaurya
@KaviAmanTenguriyaShaurya 4 жыл бұрын
The formula for area of quadrilateral was shocking. Wow! Good information. You are doing good.
@12semitones57
@12semitones57 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I’ve always wondered about the proof!
@N1t_in
@N1t_in 2 жыл бұрын
Perfectly explained. Loved the video. Thank you so much😊
@Sci-Fi-Mike
@Sci-Fi-Mike 2 жыл бұрын
I proved Heron's formula a few years ago with SOHCAHTOA. This proof is much nicer and more concise. Great video, BlackPenRedPen!
@sabrinashamsiddinova2639
@sabrinashamsiddinova2639 3 жыл бұрын
u r just great, thanks for making our studies easier, soon my exams, and so blessed to have found ur channel)))
@dhruvvraghu6226
@dhruvvraghu6226 4 жыл бұрын
I'm so happy I found this, stay safe
@anisppeaks2736
@anisppeaks2736 4 жыл бұрын
I'm a backbencher sir,but your every explanation is just so easy to understand ♥️
@alanpeter5527
@alanpeter5527 10 ай бұрын
so you are dum
@blackscreen4033
@blackscreen4033 4 жыл бұрын
Cuuute! it's something even young students can do to really stretch their algebra skills hehe it's easy but with some algebra tricks 😊 nice
@hipparchos
@hipparchos 4 жыл бұрын
The formula is introduced in Heron's book Περί Διόπτρας, where he proves it by using the inscribed circle, an elegant geometrical proof
@johnbutler4631
@johnbutler4631 2 жыл бұрын
That's the proof that I was hoping he'd do.
@alexismisselyn3916
@alexismisselyn3916 4 жыл бұрын
I never knew about this formula, and the proof is really easy but I found this video extremely entertaniing
@mohammadazad8350
@mohammadazad8350 4 жыл бұрын
I've squared the second quantity under the root and struggled with the algebra but finally I looked at what I had which is a fourth degree polynomial in terms of "a" and solved for "a" squared and took the square root and rearranged the solutions to get the product of the final 4 quantities Really amazing problem that I can actually solve.
@stefannikolov3505
@stefannikolov3505 4 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed very much. Thanks for making such nice videos!
@noahtaul
@noahtaul 4 жыл бұрын
Wow, I'd never heard of Bretschneider's formula at 10:38, that's weird! How do you prove it? It reduces to Heron when d=0.
@sx86
@sx86 4 жыл бұрын
bretschneider?
@Macieks300
@Macieks300 4 жыл бұрын
@@sx86 generalized Brahmagupta's = Bretschneider's
@erikkonstas
@erikkonstas 4 жыл бұрын
TBF, it doesn't exactly reduce to Heron's formula because of the way θ is defined (it would be undefined).
@noahtaul
@noahtaul 4 жыл бұрын
Έρικ Κωνσταντόπουλος Well it doesn’t matter what theta is because d=0 kills the cos^2(theta) part.
@erikkonstas
@erikkonstas 4 жыл бұрын
@@noahtaul It does, you can't cancel an undefined part in your expression just by multiplying it with zero. Instead, the whole expression becomes undefined. It's similar to e.g. 0*1/0, it doesn't equal 0 or 1, it's undefined.
@NoNameAtAll2
@NoNameAtAll2 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you I've been dreaming about learning proof of this formula some 5 years now
@remopellegrino8961
@remopellegrino8961 3 жыл бұрын
Presh Talwalkar's fans will be complaining of you not using Gougu's theorem :-) Anyway, you are the king of KZfaq math-teachers!!
@sabrinashamsiddinova2639
@sabrinashamsiddinova2639 3 жыл бұрын
I love youuu, so helpful, u just expplained it so simply and clearly
@mohammadfahrurrozy8082
@mohammadfahrurrozy8082 4 жыл бұрын
Blackcursorwhitecursor
@TheMauror22
@TheMauror22 4 жыл бұрын
Great video! Please do more proofs!
@keertans7418
@keertans7418 6 ай бұрын
This video is absolutely perefect form my math project!!!!! TYSM!!
@cosimobaldi03
@cosimobaldi03 4 жыл бұрын
I've come up with a formula for the area of triangles using hard algebric geometry. It takes the sides squared as inputs, so it works best on a carthesian plane. A,B,C are sides squared A=1/4 * sqrt(- A2 - B2 - C2 + 2(AB+BC+CA)) it uses pretty big numbers so it's better to use a calculator or use it in a program... But I'm sure it can be transformed into heron's and viceversa.
@shawnclifford
@shawnclifford 4 ай бұрын
I was just curious as to how this was derived and this derivation is neat!
@alokmishra7650
@alokmishra7650 Жыл бұрын
I love this proof. Pls make more videos like this
@Rkbittu
@Rkbittu Жыл бұрын
Very Easy to understand...Thank you
@zoltangal3793
@zoltangal3793 4 жыл бұрын
Nice work. In the generalized Brahmagupta’s formula angle aplha correctly is half of sum of opposite angles.
@BozoTheBear
@BozoTheBear 4 жыл бұрын
Beautiful. A really excellent explanation.
@marsbars1105
@marsbars1105 2 жыл бұрын
I actually discovered this formula in religion class by accident when I was playing around with 1/2ab * sin(C) and cosine rule (to find the angle used in the area formula and then use inverse trig identity). Thankyou for sharing this.
@musical_lolu4811
@musical_lolu4811 4 ай бұрын
3:47 is the cosine rule!
@manoharkanade7383
@manoharkanade7383 2 жыл бұрын
We can use cosine formula a2= b2+c2-2abcos(c).Work out since and use area formula A= 0.5absinc
@stevemonkey6666
@stevemonkey6666 4 жыл бұрын
Old School Style blackpenredpen!
@tauqeerkhan7154
@tauqeerkhan7154 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome explanation!
@the.rajkumar.sawant
@the.rajkumar.sawant 4 жыл бұрын
Good bro, your videos are amazing. Please try in upcoming videos to solve Derivative of x!
@armanrasouli2779
@armanrasouli2779 4 жыл бұрын
thanks for the amazing content
@dovidglass5445
@dovidglass5445 3 жыл бұрын
Hi, on Wikipedia it says that Heron originally proved this using cyclic quadrilaterals; please could you make a video on that? Thanks so much.
@emmanueljosegarcia1975
@emmanueljosegarcia1975 2 жыл бұрын
It can be derived from a particular case of the generalized half angle formula. Se here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jcibhKufs9rMl2w.html
@dainispolis3550
@dainispolis3550 2 жыл бұрын
By me best herons formula prof is to prof volume of equilateral triangle , and then any other treangle as resized equilateral in two directions, so this can be used as prof for n-dimensional triangles volume
@Ironmonk036
@Ironmonk036 4 жыл бұрын
Please do a video explaining the Bretschneider's formula at 10:38
@randomdude9135
@randomdude9135 4 жыл бұрын
Brahmagupta's***
@thecoolring6431
@thecoolring6431 4 жыл бұрын
@@randomdude9135 I think he was High enough..
@noahtaul
@noahtaul 4 жыл бұрын
Random Dude no, Brahmagupta’s formula is only for cyclic quadrilaterals, and doesn’t have the last cosine term.
@rasheedmohammed2227
@rasheedmohammed2227 4 жыл бұрын
No blackpenredpen spelt it wrong lol
@user-ly5bc4xd2s
@user-ly5bc4xd2s 2 жыл бұрын
احسنتم وبارك الله فيكم وعليكم والله يحفظكم يحفظكم ويحميكم جميعا. تحياتنا لكم من غزة فلسطين .
@EduRB98
@EduRB98 4 жыл бұрын
I love your videos! Can you tell my what programs do you use to record the screen and what app/program do you use to write? Do you use mouse for writing?
@jofx4051
@jofx4051 4 жыл бұрын
Guess it is Ms Paint-like since it has a brush like and it is possible to use Bandicam but He is using Mac so... Probably he wrote it using pen since if using mouse, it wouldn't be so good
@mirkopusic1734
@mirkopusic1734 4 жыл бұрын
In Brahmagupta's formula I think θ is the sum of two opposite angles divided by two. I really like this video.
@CDChester
@CDChester 4 жыл бұрын
What 3B1B is a patron? Damn!
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 4 жыл бұрын
Yes.
@aniruddhvasishta8334
@aniruddhvasishta8334 3 жыл бұрын
The same way Heron's formula works for triangles and Brahmagupta's works for quadrilaterals, I wonder if there's a general pattern for any polygon with n sides. I assume that the proof for the quadrilateral formula comes from cutting the quadrilateral into 2 triangles and applying Heron's twice, so theoretically it's possible to derive a formula for a pentagon and so on.
@whatisheartscont2be645
@whatisheartscont2be645 4 жыл бұрын
That was beautiful!
@hocinetctmt
@hocinetctmt 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this great ful video
@uttamdas-zf6pi
@uttamdas-zf6pi 4 жыл бұрын
It's really good sir.i want more mathematical proof sir
@stapler942
@stapler942 2 жыл бұрын
I love the phrase "invite into the square root house", I never thought of thinking of it that way.
@adenpower249
@adenpower249 4 жыл бұрын
My man please prove Stewart's theorem.
@jayvaghela9888
@jayvaghela9888 4 жыл бұрын
When I was in 9th there is where I learned heron formula & as note I found brahmagupta's formula & I'm amazed that just putting d=0 you can get heron's equation.. Man Indian Mathematician were too good at that time I always love to learn more & more about them
@yoavshati
@yoavshati 4 жыл бұрын
3b1b is one of your patrons? That's awesome!
@apdj94
@apdj94 2 жыл бұрын
Damn I always forget about Heron's formula and it's so useful! I totally could have used this on my Calc 2 homework a few weeks ago
@yassinezaoui4555
@yassinezaoui4555 4 жыл бұрын
Such a gorgeous proof ✔
@uy-ge3dm
@uy-ge3dm 4 жыл бұрын
There's a simpler version. Through law of cosines, we have cos(A)=(a^2+b^2-c^2)/2ab. Then, we have sin(A)=sqrt(1-cos^2(A))=(1-cos(A))(1+cos(A)) and you can easily finish the proof using 1/2 bc*sin(A). It's the same algebra as above except you skip a lot of steps.
@nathanisbored
@nathanisbored 4 жыл бұрын
u8y7541 the nice thing about the method in the video is that it uses only basic algebra and no trig functions. depending on where you live, you learn this kind of algebra before you learn about trig functions (at least I did), so for that reason I would consider this method more elementary
@smrtfasizmu6161
@smrtfasizmu6161 4 жыл бұрын
I always wanted to know this.
@soulless3766
@soulless3766 4 жыл бұрын
Hi, nice video buddy! Can you answer me this question? How many planes are defined by one line and 3 collinear points that do not lie on that line
@yashwanthkumar8013
@yashwanthkumar8013 Жыл бұрын
The same way i also derived this formula .....It's suprising to me that I can think like the blackpenredpen....
@marouaniAymen
@marouaniAymen 4 жыл бұрын
Great, this video proved 3 formulas at the same time, one formula attributed to a Chinese mathematician from the 13th century, then a formula found by Kahan anb finally the Heron's formula.
@tutorialstube2264
@tutorialstube2264 4 жыл бұрын
splendor, bro carry on
@canman5060
@canman5060 4 жыл бұрын
My most favourite proof.
@Mihau_desu
@Mihau_desu 4 жыл бұрын
Hey! Great to see your proof of Heron's formula. The way I know is based on formula A = bc*sin(a) where a-(alpha) is angle between sides b and c in a given triangle. Would love to see more geometry on your channel.
@ractan4107
@ractan4107 4 жыл бұрын
or Area=1/4 sqr((P(P-2a)(P-2b)(P-2c)) P is The perimetr of ABC
@jofx4051
@jofx4051 4 жыл бұрын
It can be used that but looks like most people uses Heron since it has simpler formula
@98danielray
@98danielray 4 жыл бұрын
okay?
@sergey1519
@sergey1519 4 жыл бұрын
My favorite ways to write it are (4S)^2 = (a+b+c)(a+b-c)(a+c-b)(b+c-a) and S^2 = xyz(x+y+z), where p = (a+b+c)/2 x = p-a y = p-b z = p-c
@AZ-tx5yd
@AZ-tx5yd 3 жыл бұрын
thank you so much!
@GlorifiedTruth
@GlorifiedTruth 3 жыл бұрын
YEEESSSS. I LOVE IT. Now how the hell did Heron ever figure that out?
@niom9446
@niom9446 2 жыл бұрын
Finally a proof I understand: :’)
@bludeat7398
@bludeat7398 4 жыл бұрын
heya! can you make more videos like that logarithmic one? im home... in boredom and I love solving problems like that ^^ thx
@erikkonstas
@erikkonstas 4 жыл бұрын
He has a lot of older videos with clever problems!
@woonnarambabu9293
@woonnarambabu9293 4 жыл бұрын
@bluepenredpen I have a doubt well, are all numbers equidistant from infinity?
@theproofessayist8441
@theproofessayist8441 3 жыл бұрын
Now at 10:40 how about generalize for any n gon or if that's too hard the next level - area of a pentagon in terms of semiperimeter.
@smrtfasizmu6161
@smrtfasizmu6161 4 жыл бұрын
The first part of the proof is so simple and straightforward yet I have never been able to do it on my own (maybe I did the first part of the proof, but I know for sure that I was never able to prove this formula which bugged me since I always feel uneasy using formulas that I can neither prove rigorously or have some good intuitive understanding why they should be true without knowing the rigorous proof. Just implementing/using a formula that I have read in a textbook always felt like cheating)
@castilloguevaragiancarlomi6952
@castilloguevaragiancarlomi6952 4 жыл бұрын
You can try this formula faster knowing a little trigonometry (half angle)
@smrtfasizmu6161
@smrtfasizmu6161 4 жыл бұрын
@@castilloguevaragiancarlomi6952 I know formulas for half angles, I knew how to derive all trigonometric formulas I have been working with. But I couldn't derive Heron formula. That's what bugged me using it felt like cheating.
@castilloguevaragiancarlomi6952
@castilloguevaragiancarlomi6952 4 жыл бұрын
​@@smrtfasizmu6161 Sorry I think I did not read your comment well my native language is Spanish
@dushyanthabandarapalipana5492
@dushyanthabandarapalipana5492 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@supriyaaravindan4920
@supriyaaravindan4920 4 жыл бұрын
Then, is it so that the circumradius of a triangle is related to its area using heron's formula??
@rajabhattacharjee6584
@rajabhattacharjee6584 4 жыл бұрын
Sir you are very talented
@Ramkabharosa
@Ramkabharosa 2 жыл бұрын
In any Δ ABC, the Cosine Rule gives cos(C) = (a²+b²-c²)/(2ab). So, sin(C)= √[-cos²(C)] =√[(2ab)²-(a²+b²-c²)²]/(2ab). ∴ area(ABC) =(ab/2).sin(C) =√[(2ab/4)²-{(a²+b²-c²)/4}²] which can be facto -rized to give Heron's formula. But who need's Heron's formula! For the 5,6,7 triangle; the area = √[{2(5)(6)/4}²-{(5²+6²-7²)/4}²] = √[(60/4)² - (12/4)²] = √[15² - 3²] = √(225 - 9) = √216 = 6√6. .
@solveit5153
@solveit5153 4 жыл бұрын
Wow amazing formula 😍
@alialyahyai6886
@alialyahyai6886 4 жыл бұрын
Nice prove
@odysseasv7734
@odysseasv7734 3 жыл бұрын
thats so cool!!
@hah1847
@hah1847 3 жыл бұрын
I just Love it.
@TechnoSan09
@TechnoSan09 3 жыл бұрын
Whats brahmagupta's formula Yeah ik it gives the quad area but pls elaborate it
@dainmeister
@dainmeister 4 жыл бұрын
I'm going to use this for right triangles from now on and nobody can stop me
@siralanturing9103
@siralanturing9103 3 жыл бұрын
Teacher at school:- You're challenging me?
@harshmishra9941
@harshmishra9941 4 жыл бұрын
pls do the trigonometrical proof also using sine and cosine formulae
@RajThakkar248
@RajThakkar248 Жыл бұрын
It's quite complex but alongside its helpful too! :⁠-⁠)
@atlasama69
@atlasama69 Жыл бұрын
thank you !!!!
@cftuba5313
@cftuba5313 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@devd_rx
@devd_rx 4 жыл бұрын
I was at grade 8 when my teacher asked to prove heron's formula for a triangle's area. Idk but I somehow managed to prove it, now, three years later, I can't even do simple banking problems (SI and CI
@Rasa_b
@Rasa_b 2 жыл бұрын
Embezzlement can be very well demonstrated using geometry
@SeeTv.
@SeeTv. 4 жыл бұрын
1/2*a*b*sin(C) is much simpler imo. (C is the angle between the sides a and b) you can easily derive it geometrically if you draw h on the side a: sin(C)= opposite/hypothenuse = h/b so h=b*sin(C)
@erikkonstas
@erikkonstas 4 жыл бұрын
But Heron's formula doesn't need any trig at all.
@SlidellRobotics
@SlidellRobotics 3 жыл бұрын
At 3:18, you can do a bonus proof of the law of cosines easily by seeing from the picture that b₁ = a cosγ and rearranging. I don't know how I missed this one back in April!
@bird0018
@bird0018 4 жыл бұрын
10:39 this isn't the Brahmagupta Formula, this is the Brettsneider formula, in the Brahmagupta, there isn't the (-abcd*cos theta) however it work just on cyclic quadrilateral. Except this, the proof is good.
@98danielray
@98danielray 4 жыл бұрын
thats why it says generalized it generalizedthe other one not that it is generalized and frkm that guy
@Anuj_906
@Anuj_906 2 жыл бұрын
ThanksMaster
@emmanueljosegarcia1975
@emmanueljosegarcia1975 2 жыл бұрын
It can be derived from a particular case of the generalized half angle formula. Se here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jcibhKufs9rMl2w.html
@castilloguevaragiancarlomi6952
@castilloguevaragiancarlomi6952 4 жыл бұрын
Less operational is with the half angle formula that involves the semi-perimeter
@UnKnown-lf7bl
@UnKnown-lf7bl 4 жыл бұрын
I am in 10th grade and this is the first video of BPRP that I understood well
@141Zero
@141Zero 4 жыл бұрын
Now do the formula for the area of a pentagon.
@erikkonstas
@erikkonstas 4 жыл бұрын
Dr. πm has made a video where he proves the formula for the area of a general regular polygon. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eJZneMp4rLKaoWQ.html
@angelmendez-rivera351
@angelmendez-rivera351 4 жыл бұрын
Έρικ Κωνσταντόπουλος It works, but it does not generalize.
@erikkonstas
@erikkonstas 4 жыл бұрын
@@angelmendez-rivera351 How does it not generalize?
@SB-wy2wx
@SB-wy2wx 4 жыл бұрын
Έρικ Κωνσταντόπουλος because a regular polygon isn’t a general polygon, it’s only one special case. Just like this video doesn’t prove the area for an equilateral, but some random triangle.
@erikkonstas
@erikkonstas 4 жыл бұрын
@@SB-wy2wx But a pentagon is a regular 5-gon.
@truthseeker3910
@truthseeker3910 3 жыл бұрын
Nice upload
@ethanwinters1519
@ethanwinters1519 4 жыл бұрын
At 10:38 shouldn't theta be the average of the two opposite angles, rather than the sum? That's what wolfram says, anyway. It's also the only way to get the right area for a square
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 4 жыл бұрын
Ah! Yes, you are correct!
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for pointing this out. I just pinned your comment so others can see it. Thank you.
@mather468
@mather468 4 жыл бұрын
@@blackpenredpen Apparently it got unpinned
@merug4349
@merug4349 4 жыл бұрын
Bruno Moreira because op edited the comment
@assassin01620
@assassin01620 4 жыл бұрын
@@blackpenredpen Needs to be repinned lol
believe in the math, not wolframalpha
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