Nope...it was a diesel hybrid, and the fire started behind the left front wheel...where the battery is. Just saw the video.

I've had twelve vote batteries catch on fire

@@UncleTonysGarage It doesn't seem to have been confirmed that it was a diesel hybrid yet, although that seems to be the most likely option. The Geoff Buys Cars KZfaq channel has been looking into this and there are conflicting reports about what the car was. We only know that it was a Range Rover, probably a Sport or Evoque model. The Evoques are well known for catching fire, mainly due to an issue with diesel leaking into the engine bay on the left hand side. The fire in this one certainly looks like a battery fire, but it may have been started by the diesel.

Where the fire started is completely irrelevant. What is relevant is that EV’s when they do catch fire are many times more dangerous than ICE vehicles are and are next to impossible to put out. What happens when there is fire in a basement car park under a skyscraper that’s full of EVs in 5-10 years time? The entire area will have to be evacuated as it’s entirely possible that it would be a repeat of 9/11 without the planes! The fire would burn with sufficient intensity to cause structural failure of the skyscraper and the fire services wouldn’t be able to put the fire out.

@@mikegreer9041 In the United States, we only allow one vote per battery!

Yes they made a truck that is a sedan, because nobody will use it as a work truck at the cost of the vehicle. Just following the consumers, who want bigger, heavier and more expensive, because they are compensating for something. Even a small side impact will total the vehicle.

All modern trucks are basically morbidly obese sedans these days. This is just the natural progression.

Following the trend of the Humvee: H1, H2, H3 marketing to the lifestyle status buyer. Strip out utility and abilities and up the price.?

Most trucks made these days are really sedans...that's what I call them...@@SeanBZA

@@ThatWolfWithShades -- All modern trucks are morbidly obese old trucks.

Hahaha, awesome.

I had an 8S lipo RC car battery go nuclear on me a couple summers ago, completely melted the car and left a bowl shape dent in my asphalt driveway that is about 10 inches across and about and inch deep. Battery was about the size of a stick of butter so I can only imagine what a bathtub sized one would do... Fortunately i was fairly close to my garden so launching a few shovel fulls of dirt at it put it out pretty quick, I know that wouldn't do anything against a full blown ev fire.

I like that 1...I'm using that. Lol (fyi, I have rural midwest repair shop with a sign out by the road stating "No E.V.'s allowed on this property").

🤣😁😅

😂😂😂😂❤❤

A look at the FSU flat bridge out of brittle materials is a great example. It is not like successful bridges have not been built for 1000 years or that we lack the technology but that it is more important that it look cool than be functional. the part where it was fake cable stayed was just the icing on the cake. They could have easily built it cable stayed and had redundant safety but it was cooler to make a shit design to kill people.

@richardross7219 How did you come to the "finger painting" conclusion?

@@synupps877 That's a bit of a joke but as with all good jokes there is truth there. I practiced Civil Engineering from 1975 until 2011. I taught bridge design at a university from 1990 to 1999. I saw much of the practical and field engineering that I had learned be eliminated from the curriculum(drafting and surveying). Engineers don't often do field visits anymore. Its all done on computers based on field work by surveyors. I've seen this cause a big disconnect from reality. In one case the engineers were designing piles to be driven into solid ledge. Common problems come with conflicts with existing utilities. Contract documents are more disclaimers than actual instructions. Design standards have been eroded in the past 50 years while substandard materials are imported causing failures.

Let's talk about evaporator and heater core accessibility.... lol

A succinct summary of our government and its associated agencies.

Thomas Sowell 😀👍🏽

Fair, if they are wrong. It’s not the “if” it’s the “how” that makes the difference between success and failure. Have faith the upside is worth the risk. IPO investment also is given to companies with the idea and little risk from to the companies. These companies have often suffered prior failures before the one that makes them wealthy beyond belief.

This describes the US congress too well

The problem is these college "educated" pencil pushers who have never held a ratchet are designing things. This was a problem years ago and it's increasingly true now. Back in the 70s and 80s you still had the young idiots just getting into the trade but ol' Bob Jim was there to be the voice of contention. Now it's young idiots making stupid design decisions and old idiots saying... "You know what.... That's not a bad idea!!!"

*planet

US is worse thanks to FOX and CNN propaganda@@wmpx34

Reminds me of the demotivational poster at my old job, “meetings, because not one of us is as dumb as all of us”

Is it possible Democrats designed this truck? Me thinks so.

It's all forced

Planned obsolence.

It's accelerating

Its industrial Sabotage by China

And that's somehow more "green" than an easily repairable, non-disposable vehicle

Today the bodyshops take 375 Euro per hour wage in EU

True but very few buy a Rivian to haul heavy loads.

​@@distracted_visions7095so why buy a pickup truck then he may as well just buy a car

Those Ford pickups were beautiful but unusable. I know someone who owns one, the lines are perfect. As long as you don’t use it for work related stuff 😂

​@@distracted_visions7095 Yeah but the typical buyer is used to swallowing heavy loads.

Its nothing but a luxury vehicle with a tiny bed for light use.@@anthonybelyea1964

The 2nd saddest part is that they will most likely force us to buy those shitty vehicles in the future

They extract maximum dollars, not provide maximum value. Greed is the fundamental basis of capitalism.

And when they're out of money, government comes to the rescue

Planned obsolescence

The corporations are making what people want to buy. So who's at fault?

Right. I replaced my 8 year old truck with a 23 year old truck.

lol.word.mind you i bought a 2008 chev for 8k but i cant buy a 80's chev for under 20k because everyone wants one!@@bradleylayton1741

94 dodge cummins 😎

And the dealer has to fix it and make all the profits

First pickup I ever bought was 3 years old. It lasted 25 years. The last one was 20 - a base model '96 4-cyl Tacoma. Stick-shift, manual windows with only 73K, and a bad tranny, for $400. Fixed the tranny myself, and it will probably outlast me. Though, I must confess, even I like a touch of luxury. I installed air-conditioning! 🙂

It's not the first time Chevrolet Avalanche Toyota Ridgeline both had the bed and Cab in one piece

There’s absolute no way any engineer would have wanted a single panel. That would have come from higher up.

@@dtiger8317 Honda builds the Ridgeline. Also... I just discovered that the newer ones appear to have divorced beds. I'm not sure that they are, but they have a seam there now.

Its not lying its marketing

@@dtiger8317 It goes older than that but on the front end, with the header panel, both fenders in one single piece. So bone-headed ideas are not new. Needless to say that was changed in the next model. But at least that was a very high end luxury car...then again, so is this Rivian thing. I dont see any middle class buying it. its only for ultra wealthy people that dont care about resale.

They don’t want any spontaneous fires in their parking garage?

@@0004612 Yes, that’s why electrics are banned from parking there. The funny part is that the garage is sponsored by an electric car company.

Just like propane in parkades..I knew this would happen, next will be insurance companies will demand it

They don't spontaneously combust.😑

@@davidk5242 Yes they do. Look up the reason for the first Boeing dreamliner battery fire. When the battery was being built a tiny screw was left on top of the battery pack and the lid was put on. it didn't sit right so the builder took it off found the screw and didn't see the .002 inch dent in the cell. This caused a hot spot that caused a fire. Now, if that can happen in a highly regulated and controlled, small production aircraft industry guess what is going to happen when we start mass producing cells for every car in the world built by kids in the third world.

California in a nutshell.

Time to smash the EV altar.

True on several topics I can think of, slippery slopes.

'Murica, in a nutshell.

​@billkerns7125 how so?

And yet they are still outrageously overpriced

My dad bought a used Ranger back in the late 90s and just sold it because he's older and just wanted a small car instead. They don't build em like they use to.

Paid $900 for my 86 F250 almost 12 years ago and still drive it all the time. It's hauled a lot of heavy loads and been WAY overloaded many times. My brother bought a 2018 F250 4x4 crew cab long bed brand new and it's had all kinds of weird issues at 80k miles now. He paid like $65,000 for his. Nope, no thanks.

Even one decade ago. The bones of a 2013 silverado are basically the same as a 2001. New trucks are so clearly just a fad luxury vehicles that manufacturers have convinced people make them "rugged" or "blue collar" while they drive it back and forth to school and the grocery store on their lift kits, at the expense of the actual working man that has to sift through a mile of modern garbage to find a truck that actually helps them do their job. This is why real workers use vans. There's a reason the 2023 Chevy Express van looks the same as the Express 20 years ago.

my 1948 Ford F68 is indestructible. It's a sheet metal box on wheels but god himself couldnt slow it down.

I just did my first timing belt on a 1993 Toyota T100 that my folks bought new. It's a year older than I am and is a 5 speed manual with 4WD. It also got new shocks and brakes, and a year or two ago a new driver's side fender since it had finally rusted where it bolted on behind and below the wheel. The fender was done by a body shop, but I found a brand new one at a scrapyard (primered unused part) and had a body shop paint it in and fit it properly. What I can do mechanically I've been learning to do myself because I care, and also out of spite. I'm hoping that I might be able to get another 30 years out of it, especially since the frame is in really good shape. I obviously don't live in the rust belt. I've been learning what I've been doing from the Factory Service Manual and from KZfaq videos. Now what I have to do next is replace the valve cover gaskets so I don't have to keep refreshing the oil 1/2 quart at a time.

Don't forget that aluminum does not have a very good notch resistance, meaning that it cracks very quickly when you do flex it.

That is the exclusive reason the bed and cab are separate. Ever heard of someone walking up to the parts counter at the Chevy dealer and ordering a new bed because it was so cheap and easy to replace? 😂 I would bet just getting a bed painted would be 5 grand these days.

@@TheBrokenLife you go to an auction for new beds/toolboxes/flatbeds if you're smart; custom beds go for a good price. I've pulled two off + replaced with flatbed myself.

@@anthropicandroid4494 You can go to a auction and buy a totaled Rivian to get a replacement panel too. 🤷‍♂

Not only have the bed separate from the cab, but have it be body on frame. Unibody is just another way to build cars and trucks as cheaply as possible along with stagnating styling and design. This is why I have a bitter hatred for any cars that’s unibody, just another way to make cars disposable. Unibody is planned obsolescence since you basically throw the vehicle away if there’s any major damage or a dent in this case.

Odds are they didn’t buy the specific idea but the premise it was sold on. Even if they don’t believe in the characterization of carbon theory, they do care about the environment and performance improvements over petrol. No one wanted a Tesla until they seen the track times. What if you can give them both without the carbon agenda? In a way that has much less residual infrastructure maintenance costs associated with it? This is possible and still making sure dollars invested aren’t wasted. It’s important that battery tech is continually developed. Some of the most profitable ideas came from a person that was penniless and needed the backing to launch the idea. 🚀

Pretty much all car are made like this take 2 minute and check your car

​@@Furious1Autolike track time is relevant to 95% of the population Pretty sure my mom and grandmother absolutely don't care about the performance And you do realize these are 80k+$ car the majority of people have 40k$ car You gonna need to drive a lot too justify the additional 40k$ these crap cost

@@Furious1AutoI’m not buying an EV until the battery tech improves. And you know they aren’t any cleaner than an ICE vehicle the pollution just shifts to another place.

@@legros731true considering what most people buy the 0-60 thing doesn’t really matter. It does to me to a point but I’m an idiot 😂

'85 D250 gets a good price in CA, NV too

'99 isn't too bad; GM hadn't gone full coocoo for cocoa puffs yet. The SUV's were still basically crew cab 1/2 ton pickup trucks without a bed. 1999 was still the GMT400-platform for the SUV's, which were infinitely more manageable than later iterations. The GMT800 platform went until about 2003 before they started with the computers to control windows and other stupid crap like that, and it all went downhill from there.

Anything pre OBDII is best since they typically don't do emissions or any inspections at that age.

Shhhhh.... don't let the word out.

That’s a price of $6,666.666666666667 ea. Some devilish Bull noses right there.

I could build almost 4 more of my Jetta Smyth Utes! I don't need a brodozer ,and I had a stack of 6+4+12 pressure treated toothpicks in it last weekend, good enough for me.

Or just two.. a nice one to put a little bit into, and a solid beater..

In my part of the country, $40,000 will still buy you about 50 bullnose/bricknose F-150s all day long. They might not all be complete or running, but if you know what you're doing, you'd probably end up with about 30 driveable trucks.

Indeed

Pssst its unibody. Like a Ridgeline

My wife has a 2015 mustang gt with an aluminum hood. We bought it used a couple of years ago. It had corrosion bubbles on the hood so we asked for them to fix it before we bought it. It's corroding again after only a couple of years

Oxidation is rust is corrosion is rust is corrosion is oxidation. It's all the same ,it's an oxide. So yeah , aluminum does rust , because rust and corrosion is the same thing it's an oxide.

@@jakefriesenjakeThen the repair wasn’t done properly. They made it look pretty to move it off the lot and had no desire to spend the time and money on it to do it right.

@@someonethatwatchesyoutube2953 could be. The whole hood was also repainted. Not sure if it bubbling in the same spot or not. It's along the edge of the hood.

23 Tacoma is good

@@truno7no they aren’t. “Toyota” reliability has been dead for almost 10 years

@@sebg1224 so what is reliable to you now?

Tell me you know nothing about EV's without telling me you k ow nothing about EV's

I have a Tesla Model Y which has similar problems with damage repair and in fact some insurance companies would not offer a quote for an insurance policy. They simply refused, no because of me or my location but the vehicle.

@@davidk5242 Tell me you don’t k ow how to type without telling me you don’t k ow how to type.

Insurance killed the muscle car. It will kill the EV

@@davepotanko5514 or the oil crisis that actually did it, did that

Huge problem for everyone that has to have insurance, even if you do NOT own one of these. You pay anyway for their choice of vehicle. Your liability insurance has to cover the other vehicles on the highway, which includes these electrics which cannot stand much of a collision as the battery packs may be unsafe even after the dent repair, causing a high frequency of 'totals'!

@@rondye9398 Yep. Premiums for all my cars jumped 70% this year. None EVs, no claims, same cars, nothing at all changed.

They'll all be totalled out long before that when something like the turn signal stalk goes out, or the window switch, or the wireless keyless entry/start/TPMS/BTLE/BSM/autopark.

They didn't think about what happens in the real world , and they really don't care about any kind of service work down the road, in their eyes they made a bitchin truck and that's all that matters.

@@MrTheHillfolk the engineers absolutely knew what would happen and explained to management repair costs would soar 10x, at which point managements eyes glazed over with $$ and they said “DO it or YOU’RE FIRED!”

@@hugegamer5988 A happy accident (for them)!

I don't think most Rivian owners are trying to give off the impression of saving the world. I'd say they're more into tech consumption, and showing off.

Insurance...

Funny i pay 1400 a year to insure 4 cars. 2017, 2005, 1999 x2

Must have a very bad record to pay that much there. Get a dash cam, can show if someone brake checks you.

@@tabbott429 Haha yeah that is pretty funny, lol.

@@suzi_mai When I wrecked my first car a little over four years ago, I was making a left turn over a hill on a green light but not a green turn arrow (at an intersection where at least one person has been killed since then.) A truck pulling a trailer hit the side of my car at about 60 (he hit the gas instead of the brake, it's in the accident report) which caused my car to spin around and bump into somebody else's car. Bear in mind now, I'm doing all this flopping around in a 1961 Buick Special. No crumple zones, air bags, or seatbelts. The driver of the third vehicle called up Ken Nugent, one of those TV lawyers, and sued my insurance for $200,000. Said they got "whiplash" (must have set in a while after the accident, because they were doing fine at the time.) Anyway, three years ago, State Farm said that accident would come off my record in two years. Then they said three years. Then they said it could take up to five years. I've since been completely kicked off of State Farm insurance, as well as actually a few other companies. There's been a couple other accidents, like a $1,500 dent I put into a truck with my $35 tail light, or one of those instances where a car came into my lane and stopped (wouldn't have been any damage if their car had a steel bumper, my rubber bumper guard poked into their plastic bumper.) I'm not saying none of this was my fault, I probably could have avoided every one of these instances if I was more careful, but it seems a bit extreme to me. Yes, I have a pretty "bad" accident history, but my insurance was high to start with, as I was a teenager when I wrecked my Buick.

@@ofp8574 unfortunate series of events there, I hope the future is better for ya. I pay about $8000 (with no claims!) per year to insure my yard full of old cars with 2 teens on the policy, I cannot wait for that to be over with. and yes thats only liability for 7 vehicles. no points on anyone either.

It was not that bad. Would probably survive quite well on 4Runner or other truck that is 1500lbs lighter and has probably 5 times or less wheel torque from standstill. 😁

RVs are of the devil.

@@TheBrokenLife Especially when you get into those fancy multi-million dollar Prevost's that have white carpet, linoleum, and leather everywhere. Can't make a smidge or it's your ass, but they want a new engine installed (which for the un-initiated, involves inside work, as you can only access the top of the engine from inside, usually under the bed)

@@TheBrokenLife amen!! Especial type A's. When they build the coach around the chassis, poor hell to work on!

my brother was a volvo tech and had to do some engine work on a big pusher bus for some high new age fluting band, it had the decked out interior and he said it was a nightmare dealing with being in and outta the thing to get it sorted out and fixed. I wouldnt work on one of them things for nothing. in fact I wont work on brand new cars because everything is so finicky and delicate.

@@MrChevelle83 Pushers used to be a delight to work on. International had pretty much perfected it with the V8 bus, but then they had to destroy it all by demanding the cooling module go on the side... where it absolutely doesn't belong. International at least built trucks, not "RVs". Never, ever, touch one of those things. 🤣

LOL. I noticed that too. Happens to me at times though, but lol the same

In the last 20 years the whole world has become a big scam... from the bottom up to the top.

It's good for that as well; have to love how well the dual rail flexibility keeps all the wheels on the ground (while not binding the doors).

Haulin' sunshine.

@@EarlSinclair97 Hah, that's a good phrase; describes vehicles designed in California, for California to a "T"

Or pull the dent out and bondo

Certainly.

I knew a guy who had an airplane made all of seamless glass (like drinking, not fiber). Beautiful, but totally stupid. Of course, we were literally locked in the padded room when he told me about it, so that should give you an idea how bright an idea such things are.

Don't forget the full size Chevy vans and Corvair pickups.

I was wondering when someone would make the comparison to El Camino and Ranchero, so not a new design, just more expensive as everything else is today

laughing like a seagull... =]

Nah... They're in bed with the car manufacturers, too... As well as every with other sector. Hell, they're all related, and that is not an exaggeration. The ones that run this global Circus Of The Absurd own EVERYTHING now. If you think it's bad now, just wait a couple years.