Equipped with a Blackmagic Design Intensity Thunderbolt Shuttle, this is my personal methodology in capture analog sources like VHS and Laserdisc to my Mac. Hybrid (and other Mac software) showcase: • Video Tools For The Ma...
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@j.d.hughes3728 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for that, Jose. Just got an Intensity Shuttle from eBay after numerous attempts with £20 'capture cards' and your vid points a way forward.
@AussieTVMusic11 ай бұрын
You can just run a vcr through a dvd player/recorder and that will stabilise the image. Will be cheaper than buying the combo deck.
@eric-janvandenbogaard94152 жыл бұрын
The HiFi "notation" is only about the volume level, you can set this yourself, when switching off the HiFi function, You can use ProRes 422LT which is enough for VHS resolution, since it's compressing per frame, you have even then no loss, using the DVD recorder will also have loss, because you still see far more detail, than you saw on a CTR tv 😁
@mjlwm23 Жыл бұрын
Why doesn`t he use a TBC ? My experience is the Premeire always stops capturing without a TBC between AD converter and VCR. btw the svhs with tbc is not usefull to solve it.
@ArguingMeadows Жыл бұрын
@@mjlwm23 I said it in the video, my player has a TBC built-in.
@norcalpacific Жыл бұрын
Can you skip the capture card and just plug a 8mm camera via firewire directly to the computer? My Handycam has a firewire port and my computer has a firewire port, so can I just do a direct connection then use software to record?
@iVTECInside9 ай бұрын
You can do it with some MiniDV cameras, but the video is technically converted to DV digital through the camcorder.
@sos.gamers3 ай бұрын
colors will look of, since DV cameras transform 4:2:2 into 4:1:1 so its going to look washed out
@norcalpacific3 ай бұрын
@@iVTECInside But wouldnt it do that anyways if your using a capture card on top of that process?
@iVTECInside3 ай бұрын
@@norcalpacific there are a couple variables here and I assumed one of them. I have a MiniDV camera that I can use as a passthrough, run video into it and straight firewire to PC. In that case I'm converting VHS as an example into the DV format which as sos mentioned has a different color space. In practice VHS is so crap I never really noticed a difference the few times I did it. If you were playing back a MiniDV tape over SVideo/Composite into a capture card, you are 100% correct, it's already in 4:1:1 on the tape so you won't hurt anything (aside from capturing analog vs the pure digital output). Law of diminishing returns though. Capturing over firewire is your best bet for quality in the case of a MiniDV tape but then you have to compress it after the fact. It's not too bad these days with faster PCs, but I'd still lean towards just capturing it straight to higher bitrate MPG to save time. I use a rate just over double what's technically necessary when capturing VHS fwiw. Is it archive quality? Nope, don't care. Not spending way more money on capture equipment, way more time in post process, for MAYBE subjectively 5% better looking captures.
@DystopeanPersona5 ай бұрын
can you do this by pluging the component output of a VHS player directrly on the composite input of this card and without a TBC?
@justanotheroldcomment.4582Ай бұрын
Just wanted to ask you a question, does this method still work on Mac version Ventura 13.6.7, please? As far as I’m aware of, your method of capturing analog video on Mac is the only way to capture VHS tapes or any analog video formats in its original native video format and frame rate on Mac. Other methods will only work on PC or Linux. Thank you.
@ArguingMeadowsАй бұрын
I just did a capture on MacOS Sonoma, so yeah, as long as you download the latest software of Blackmagic Media Express, it’ll work.
@justanotheroldcomment.4582Ай бұрын
@@ArguingMeadows Thanks for the response back, you might have just helped me a lot. 👍
@justanotheroldcomment.4582Ай бұрын
@@ArguingMeadows Hello again, I had a problem initially, originally when I managed to get the equipment that you showed in your video, it seems that the latest version of blackmagic desktop video set up was not be compatible anymore with the intensity shuttle, I had to download an older version of desktop video 12.1 which is the version you showed in this video in order for the device to be recognised. But once I did manage to recognise it along with a few tweaks, I was finally able to capture a VHS tape in its original native resolution and framerate, all thanks to you. 👍 I have been waiting for some time to do that. Once again, thank you so much. you’ve made me a happy bunny. 😂
@garretharkawik3581 Жыл бұрын
Just wondering if you've run into the issue of the Intensity Shuttle no longer being compatible with Mac OS (as of the update to Big Sur) - I recently bought a shuttle and it works fine on an older computer, but I can't get my newer one running Big Sur to work with it.
@ArguingMeadows Жыл бұрын
Running Monetrey which is newer and it's still working just fine. Have no compatibility issues to speak of.
@garretharkawik3581 Жыл бұрын
@@ArguingMeadows Oh wow, I will update to Monterey and see if that helps! One more question: I find that when I try to capture from a camera, the image flickers and is unusable. Seems like this is due to unstable timecode from the camera (and why I assume you recommend the DVD/VHS combo) - have you ever run into this and do you know of a workaround? VHS/DVD deck won't work for me since I need to capture hi8 tapes.
@anyuisbjoern Жыл бұрын
@@ArguingMeadows interesting! I had the same question:)
@TTVEaGMXde10 ай бұрын
I couldn't get Blackmagic Intensity (PRO and Shuttle) to work with desktop video. If stop at dropped frames is switched on, it will stop within 3 minutes. If stop at dropped frames is switched off (factory setting), the picture and sound drift apart. I assume that frames are missed because Intensity does not take over the frame rate of the video recorder. Panasonic NV-HS900EG (PAL S-VHS) YC Panasonic DMR-E55EG (TBC only) YUV.
@DoubleMonoLRАй бұрын
Blackmagic devices seem to be very flaky without some form of TBC type effect, for example I played tapes from a combo VHS+DVD recorder which always digitizes the video, then converts back to analog(it can also output vhs via component etc because of this), so the tape effectively passes through a basic tbc-ish device. Recording to an intensity pro worked fine this way, no problems over an entire 3 hour recording.
@TTVEaGMXdeАй бұрын
@@DoubleMonoLR Was STOP at dropped Frames switched ON ? The "Factory Setting" of the Software is STOP at dropped frames OFF😉
@ragenthank85363 жыл бұрын
Great explanation video, thank you. I am planning to get the Panasonic DMR ES-15 DVD recorder and use it as a passthrough with Blackmagic intensity shuttle to digitalise the VHS tapes. Would it be suitable ?
@maxmustardman2982 жыл бұрын
Yep
@willianaleman6114 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video. Interestingly, you have the 4:3 aspect ratio without the black bar on each side of the picture.
@AussieTVMusic11 ай бұрын
There is no black bars on 4:3.
@willianaleman611411 ай бұрын
@@AussieTVMusic Thank you for the reply. if you place a 4:3 aspect ratio in a 16:9, or any other screen aspect ratio, your 4:3 has vertical black bars on the side. This is what I was referring to.
@Surf_Vidz9 ай бұрын
I've followed all the steps here and am using a Mac, but Media Express window is black and I cannot seem to get an image even though my Video Setup is recognizing my Intensity Shuttle. Any ideas?
@ArguingMeadows9 ай бұрын
What kind of player are you using? VHS/DVD combo or regular VHS? If it's the latter you're going to need a time-base corrector.
@Surf_Vidz9 ай бұрын
@@ArguingMeadowsYup, I have one of those time-base correctors as well and it’s still not working. I might try and down convert.
@anyuisbjoern Жыл бұрын
I wanted to buy this Blackmagic device, then someone who sold it told me that it doesn’t work with the latest mac-os and macs anymore. So i got a Blackmagic 3G Recorder and linked it up with other devices to record hone videos.
@ryguyver2 жыл бұрын
Hey, great video! I was wondering if you might be able to share any additional details on the project you mentioned that is exploring high quality video capture directly from the tape head (somewhat similarly to Domesday). I haven't been able to find anything on this and would love to learn more. Thanks!
@ArguingMeadows2 жыл бұрын
There's not much info on it at the moment. It's called VHS Decode and there's a Github page that can be found in the description for this video. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qLmHgst7nrmxmmQ.html
@ryonhorne7386 Жыл бұрын
very helpful video, I must be doing something wrong. Got everything hooked up correctly, got all of the preferences correct, but only getting audio not video. Any suggestions?
@ArguingMeadows Жыл бұрын
Are you on MacOS or Windows? Do you have 525i (not 525p) selected? If the video signal is incorrect that could be why you're not seeing a picture? Are you using a similar VHS/DVD combo deck or just a regular VHS deck?
@asdfqazsnbb2 жыл бұрын
you should do IVTC ,Not deinterlacing
@prezroll2 жыл бұрын
Hey there, thanks for your video! This is the first time I've heard about "tapehead" capture! Do you know where I can keep up to date with the developments?
@DanielDGordon Жыл бұрын
I've never heard of this. I would like to learn more about it too.
@DoubleMonoLRАй бұрын
Look up "vhs-decode" and you'll find lots of info, it's far from a user friendly option when I last read up on it though.
@TriforceofShadows3 жыл бұрын
Great Video. I have a Mac as well, but I mainly use Windows for video stuff, so I am lacking the option for native ProRes 4444. (btw, is there any need for an alpha, or does it not take up much space if no alpha is present? You did say overkill tbf. Or is there not a ProRes 444? I am new to the ProRes scene...) They have open source versions of ProRes in some of my other software I have tried, but not in express. I currently capture Uncompressed 4:2:2 as a trade-off for quality and size, but looking into other options as complete overkill for VHS. (Bit-rate is 171mbps for 8bit422 and 362mbps for full 10bit444) I wish I had a codec like ProRes for a file that small from capture stage. I can transcode after capture, but it's just not the same, but also keeping that option on the table. DPX looked promising, but can't keep interlacing. Transcoding after capture is probably only way I could try ProRes 4444, and open source doesn't always make on spec ProRes files, but might not be a problem if just for storage as master. I am also looking at a few others like FFV1, which I currently use as intermediate after processing (progressive), but it doesn't support interlaced video correctly without some tricks. Going to take a second look at HuffyYUV and also look more into MagicYUV to see if it can correctly store interlaced. Thanks again for making the video. Definitely keeping an eye on the Domesday VHS Head project, seems like the future of capturing analog.
@ArguingMeadows3 жыл бұрын
There is a lot in here, so I will attempt to break it down. ProRes 4444 has the ability to encode an alpha channel but as consumer tapes and laserdiscs don't have alpha channels, that's unnecessary. I don't think it changes the file size drastically. Also, ProRes 4444 is still going to give you a huge file, you're looking at 15 GB for a half-hour SD capture. It just happens to be way smaller and more manageable than straight uncompressed, where you might be looking at double the GB compared to ProRes 4444. I do not use Windows often enough to tell you how to work with ProRes, but I do know that the Adobe products do support ProRes in Windows. Adobe has an official license and encoder to the codec. Uncompressed is fine too, and is technically better quality than ProRes 4444 since ProRes is a lossy codec unless it has an alpha channel (but I seriously doubt anyone would be able to tell the difference between a ProRes file and an uncompressed master). If ProRes is too much of a hassle on Windows, alternatives like Cineform and DNx are available. FFV1, Lagarith, HuffyYUV and other lossless codecs are great too, but they tend not to open in most editing programs like Final Cut, Avid, Premiere or Resolve. If you plan on editing or manipulating the video in editing software, you might be better off just using uncompressed, make your edits and send it out uncompressed again if you need to retain the quality that badly. My experience with unofficial ProRes encoders like FFMPEG's implementation has been fine frankly. Never had an issue with it, BUT I would not deliver it to a client without first running it through an official encoder just to be safe. As for keeping the interlacing, I can't imagine the lossless codecs not keeping that. Anyway, if you're using uncompressed, I don't think you have anything to worry about from a quality standpoint. Transcoding it to FFV1 might save you some space but that's about it. At the end of the day, it's VHS, what we're doing is totally overkill. You could probably get away with a well-done HEVC or H264 file after the capture and have it preserve everything. This is just my way of doing things.
@TriforceofShadows3 жыл бұрын
@@ArguingMeadows for half hour at 171mbps, that is ~38GB for reference, so you are right, not as huge a difference as I thought, but would be noticeable when storing many tapes. That is 4:2:2 though and 8bit. For ProRes 4444 equivalent it would be 362mbps and around 81GB per half hour, so it would have more of an impact. (Assuming ProRes 4444 is also set to 10bit) I'm going to keep studying the technicals of these codecs and their bitrates, thanks for getting me interested in looking at them again. Several of them have been updated since I tried them before in the past, so more capable than my last tests.
@ArguingMeadows3 жыл бұрын
@@TriforceofShadows ProRes is always 10-bit. 4444 goes up to 16-bit. That's kind of why I like ProRes, it takes a lot of the guesswork out of the equation and just encodes the video. Feel free to read the ProRes white paper: www.apple.com/final-cut-pro/docs/Apple_ProRes_White_Paper.pdf
@eric-janvandenbogaard94152 жыл бұрын
@@TriforceofShadows I'm using the same setup with ProRes422LT which is also enough.
@estusflask9822 жыл бұрын
I'm using a Startech S-Video to HDMI converter, Avermedia HDMI to USB capture device, and JVC S-VHS player to record VHS. No TBC and the video looks great. Weird.
@eric-janvandenbogaard94152 жыл бұрын
Yes, a good option also, better then an easycap device, the converter digitizes the analog signal, you could also capture to a HDMI recorder, and don't a pc at all to capture.
@GigGigJigolo2 жыл бұрын
Hey man, sorry for asking this question on this video, but what happened to the A Kite Deadfall AMV?
@ArguingMeadows2 жыл бұрын
It's on private along with my old AMV's. I did them when I was an edgy high-school kid without taste and I'm not really proud of having my name on them anymore. I'm taking the channel in a different direction so I wasn't comfortable having them out there. They're not gone, I still have the masters for them and think they're worth preserving in a different space with context but that's for another time. Sorry.
@GigGigJigolo2 жыл бұрын
@@ArguingMeadows Ah okay, I understand. Best of luck my man!
@tddtv2 жыл бұрын
why would you be sorry for asking
@Bilalnwo2 жыл бұрын
shouldn't the frame rate be 30fps for NTSC vhs??
@ArguingMeadows2 жыл бұрын
No, NTSC color video 59.94 interlaced fields per second. What happens later with the video is that people tend to deinterlace it to 30 progressive frames per second.
@c_h_r_i_s_t_c_o_r_e Жыл бұрын
does this still work? is the intensity shuttle still supported?
@ArguingMeadows Жыл бұрын
Still supported on Monterey. I haven't upgraded to Ventura yet but I would think that it still works since Blackmagic has updated the software that drives it.
@josequeb2 жыл бұрын
Hi! Model of the Panasonic VHS/DVD Combo?
@ArguingMeadows2 жыл бұрын
DMR-ES35V
@eric-janvandenbogaard94152 жыл бұрын
@@ArguingMeadows Great machine i also have this model, (PAL version + scart(s)) it stabelizes the video of the VHS deck, but it does not mention any thing about TBC but it does a great job in doing it, shame the BMD software does not support the progressive mode for NTSC with me (PAL) this works perfect, and defeats Macrovision when needed, in progressive mode. The Intensity Shuttle is normaly a very picky capture device, but has no problem at all with the DMR-ES35V, I love this machine. otherwise you have to use a scaler/converter that digitizes to HDMI and use HDMI to capture, the scaler/converter then acts as TBC.
@maxmustardman2982 жыл бұрын
@@eric-janvandenbogaard9415 yeah the Panasonic does arguably the best job of delivering a stable corrected signal to the BM, their AD chip is the best when it comes to handle lossy signals
@Capturing-Memories2 жыл бұрын
You would get much better results using a S-VHS machine capturing via S-Video than capturing crappy composite signal to 4:4:4, that's nuts, waste of file size.
@ArguingMeadows2 жыл бұрын
I didn't capture via composite though? I specifically said component. I also made a point of saying that ProRes 4444 was overkill, but I like to do it anyway.
@eric-janvandenbogaard94152 жыл бұрын
@@ArguingMeadows correct, the ES35V is a great machine, i use ProRes422LT in that same setup, with PAL even progressive… so easy :)
@DoubleMonoLRАй бұрын
@@ArguingMeadows The component output is almost certainly just converted from composite. Composite out from the VHS deck -> analog composite signal is digitized inside the VCR -> digital signal converted back to analog for Component(& other) outputs. Capturing Component will help reduce further quality loss during re-digitizing with the capture device, but it's not extracting higher quality video from the tape signal. The s-video signal isn't being put out over the component outputs, that's not possible as they're different signals, and there was almost certainly no s-video signal prior to digitizing inside the vcr. The image quality just looks pretty much the same due to coming from the same source, and neither losing much in the capture process. It's technically possible they could've used a modified VHS deck that internally converts the rf signal(directly from the tape) to s-video instead of the standard composite, but it's unlikely. S-Video out from an S-VHS deck *starts* by extracting a bit more image quality from a standard VHS tape recording, as both VHS & S-VHS are recorded in a format that is somewhat similar to s-video. Because of this modulating the raw signal from the tape to s-video instead of composite can retain a bit more image quality.
@GAGAMONSTER1522 жыл бұрын
How would the quality be for the capture?
@eric-janvandenbogaard94152 жыл бұрын
good, but remember, the ES35V stabelizes the video, a "normal" vcr won't do this.
@toddpa-c3826 Жыл бұрын
Great video… however why not also use a Up scaler in ur system b4 its brought in a program
@ArguingMeadows Жыл бұрын
Hardware scalers have to work in real-time and usually are nowhere near as good as a software scaler. If you modify the video while capturing in real-time by adding a hardware scaler or a deinterlacer, you are stuck with whatever the hardware did. If you capture the video plainly as it is in a high-quality format, there's a ton of room to play with filters that can make the video look even better after the fact. It all really depends on how much work and time you'd like to put into capturing the video and improving the quality.
@iVTECInside9 ай бұрын
S-Video is just separate Chroma and Luminance, they don't exist separate on VHS so there is no advantage.
@DoubleMonoLRАй бұрын
That's not quite true, luma & chroma is stored semi-separately on VHS, in "colour-under" format. It seems it's effectively the equivalent of being in-between a composite and s-video signal. It may technically be a "composite" video recording, but not the same type as is passed over composite cables. S-VHS recordings use the same colour-under method, but with a higher luminance carrier frequency and luminance bandwidth. From my own testing, with some equipment at least there it can definitely improve video quality using s-video. I recorded composite & s-video from a plain VHS tape/recording played in an S-VHS source(a full size SVHS camera in that case) recorded to an ADVC-300, and the s-video recording immediately looked better. Less noise, and a bit smoother and slightly more detailed, all presumably due to reduced chroma noise. This is likely going to vary depending on the deck, capture device etc, but it does seem like the most reliable way to consistently get good quality captures.
@iVTECInsideАй бұрын
@@DoubleMonoLR I realized my goof on that just a couple weeks back. You are correct. A tale of two "composites".