I just cackled. Loudly. 🤣🤣🤣

That'll count toward her multi-engine IR. And quad-wing rating also

@@Resistculturaldecline 🤣

Lol !!....now that's funny !!

Also taking off runway 36, landed runway 63

Her air work is probably competent, but the safety factor on the ground or in the air with failure to comply/understand with ATC is definitely a factor that should have prohibited the solo. Missing a word and asking for a read back is ok, but it seems she doesn't understand what her next steps are in relation to what the ATC dialogue would be. Probably an instructor that did all the radio work for her, instead the instructor should have had her on the radio on her 2nd training flight (if she passed her radio license)

Could or should the ATC deny takeoff clearance based on her inability to communicate or read back?

@@canconservative8976 there’s no need for a radio license in the US, and even if they did, a radio license doesn’t require any tests, just paying a fee. But yes you have a valid point, maybe her flying was fine. But ATC is half of the picture. If the flight required talking to ATC, he failed to prepare her adequately.

YES

@@Thatflyguy747 well that explains it... In Canada there is a Restricted Radio Operator Certificate - Aviation, ROC-A ... it cost money, you write a 60 question exam and then a one on one with a certified examiner who runs through scenarios. As of your 2nd training flight you as a student are making all the calls (and being corrected by the instructor off mic!)... so when you do your first solo you've already run through all those calls, including the calls in the pattern.

Lololol

I wish I could get a progressive at ohare. That would be fun.

I mean it’s what they are meant to do if you are having issues. But yeah lol, my airport only has a, b, c, d for taxiways so it’s a lot simpler lol

@@leef9242 i’m just confused cuz shouldn’t she be at her home airport?? she’s probably taxied out there at least ten times 😂

@@kate7011 thats what i'm thinking. im about halfway through my private, and i've taxied to and from the runway at LEAST 15 times

Haha same 🤣

She makes me feel like a 10,000 hour veteran and I’m not even a student.

Hornet 36Bravo, call the ball... Power. Power... BOLTER! BOLTER! BOLTER!

Same here.

@@cerleywood 🤣

Just what I was thinking. "36B - Hold where you are, and what is your flight school?".....

Wow I have been out of flying for awhile not the best with ATC but I cringed several times listening to this

36 bravo

Bet that controller was glad that day was over. Kudos for his patience, great job.

@@kthompmke He was having fun. In otherwise boring regular day :D

The controller is also previous Navy and a super solid dude.

@@ramsheadroofing Patience of a Saint....

As a non controller but aviation fan, this was painful to listen to. Poor atc.

As a current student on a navy base this makes me feel like I’m an aviation god.

@@RvnOps that was hard to listen to. makes me want to be better

LMAO

for real, i'm a student with 8hours and i even was like "omg"

That was face palm number two for the controller. after the you didn't ask comment lol

I'd love to know where she would've turned to

I think she was going to do 360's until the angles added up to 3034.... so ..... A while.

@@daveco1st I have 0.8 hours and i facepalmed

Baro vnav baby! Almost guarantee she doesn't know what that is

I wonder if she adjusted the altimeter after being corrected after reading it back as a vector

@@Mixolydio Given the pilot, how can we be sure she wasn't reading it back as a frequency?

​@@user2C47 she was but they use turn for directional heading never freq change so this particular mistake was compounded

She's still in that 3034 degree turn.

As,a,non pilot with no training I understood most of his commands but in her defense she is very novice. She will improve with practice? I think

@@danf2 Being a "novice" is not the problem here. We were all novices at one time or another. As a brand new solo student, I don't expect her to be an EXPERT at communicating with ATC, but this was *beyond the pale!!* It was not just a matter of not being "fluid" on the radio, which we've all been at some point. She could not even understand basic instructions, and was misinterpreting many things, and did not have a very basic understanding of what was expected of her! Whoever signed her off for a solo, should have their certificate revoked!! Insane!

I cringed at that. She should have just went back to her CFI after that.

Frequency makes much more sense, I heard turning not tuning and I was trying to figure out how she planned to turn to a 4 digit number, and why she expected a heading on the ground 😂

What’s atis ?

Especially at a towered airport.

A student pilot is allowed to solo, as long as they have accomplished their first solo examination. Here in aus, you're allowed to fly for a maximum of 3 hours between dual checks / lessons; she has a right to fly. Yes, instructor probably should've marked her as deficient in radio communication and phraseology.

@@harryroberts388 And a little overconfident.

@@harryroberts388 she's a woman, she's allowed to bypass normal rules by default of the feminazi movement

@@chobai9996 hahahahaha lmao

Nice comment.

Fair comment. ATC lingo is it’s own skill set. So is airport navigation on the fly. They require a lot of hours of study and practice. We all sound like complete morons in the beginning.

Wholesome

She needs your words right about now....and great comment.

She needs a better teacher or less money

😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Unfortunately-- you’re probably correct

...or still doing 180's !!

Zomg 😅

Yeah, not cool man. Funny....but not cool.

When her instructor heard this on KZfaq, he packed up and was heading for Mexico.

My instructor wouldve raked me over the coals then sent me home to grow up before coming back XD You cant become a pilot acting like an immature teenage girl.

That’s a horrible attitude for a pilot to have. As a pilot you accept responsibility for everything. Anti-authority is one of the 5 dangerous attitudes.

@@zerobyte802 I don’t think it was malicious, I think it was confusion lol. She legitimately had no idea tower can’t read your mind and needs you to say your intentions. Obviously it was worded strongly but I think that just comes from poor vocabulary skills haha. I think the spirit was “I didn’t know I was supposed to tell you”

she sounded very entitled to me

The controller didn't need to and should not have made that smart ass comment. How was she supposed to respond?

@Whitney Cheated lol

😂

Wouldn't be necessary if the CFI wasn't banging her on the desk...

Rumor also has it that the pilot is stilling trying to get to 36 bravo

Rumor has it she's flying Super Hornets, now... "Uhh...Fox two?"

Not to mention we have ONE terminal in Joplin. Our shopping mall is larger than our airport. LOL.

What are taxiways?

Abbie Covington lol, that explains a lot. She spent too much time at the mall rather than in the cockpit 😂

Instructor always handled the radio.

@@231pilot The roads connecting the runways to the ramps (parking areas)

😂😂💀

Wait why cant I hear the pilot say anything? Can you hear 86B respond?

Well it answered his question.

Well; the "how me" sounded just like "honey"... Can imagine she wanted to hear that twice...

@@marcelmillenaar3298 well, that's the normal response from tower when you initiate a radio check

Best comment haha

That was my takeaway and the real scary part. I have dealt with nervous students before but when they aren't nervous but operate at this level on the norm I start wondering when its appropriate to say 'maybe this isn't for you...'

🤣 stupid ppl don’t get frazzled.

Classic woman.

Her response "...Okay 🤪" lmaooo

FSDO is investigating him as we speak. My ATM just submitted the tapes last week. Hopefully, everyone will learn something from all of this.

Sonny J pics or it didn’t happen.

Hopefully it was like a "secret shopper" for ATC

@Popeye Honestly it may not be as much the CFI as you think. You can have people who are 100% spot on with the instructor, and just panic and forget everything when they get off on their own. I help babysit for Scuba checkout dives (the scuba version of a solo, the first time students get in real open water instead of a pool) and you have students who are amazing in the pool have full blown panic attacks and have to be restrained underwater to prevent hurting themselves or someone else. The human mind is crazy.

@@aaronsuever2414 Yes some people can just choke.

Ouch.... You didn't have to KO that hard bruh 🤣

RIP! 🤣🤭😖😖

Or Swift truck driver!!! Lmao

well gotta fill dem diversity quotas somehow..

Ryanair

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

With a house full of daughters.

Yes, working with women is rly unnecessarly hard 😅

@@inverovenevectum6857 Did you watch the video? Wasn't that exceptionally hard in comparison to the typical day to day air traffic?

@@inverovenevectum6857 It really is

I agree. She should have been realized she wasn’t ready. The atis made me cringe.

I strongly suspect it was a set-up. Someone at a small airport was yanking this guy's chain.

@@glennchartrand5411 I kind of doubt that. I don't think many pilots would risk their ticket to mess with a controller like this. It sounds like she just didn't have enough practice with towered field operations. A lot of people (myself included) initially learn to fly at untowered fields and may have several hours of solo under their belt before they ever even talk to a tower for the first time. Of course, regardless of the cause of the situation, her CFI should have known better than to sign off on this.

@@vbscript2 I think it was someone with a handheld radio, not an aircraft.

@@glennchartrand5411 The controller can see the aircraft as they're controlling it. They're not just assuming there's an aircraft there because someone said so on the radio. They wouldn't have been issuing clearances to them if it weren't a real aircraft.

Yeah, while I agree that this was pretty egregious, everybody is ragging on the poor girl. What likely happened is her *silly* instructor looked at the syllabus and was like “well it says your next flight is a solo” without teaching her anything about communications. That paired with nerves too... Plus, who knows the whole story??

This is when meritocracy takes a back seat to "progress."

@@RS-uo2nd after 14,000 hours I can't recall hearing a funnier commo exchange. When I'm at an unfamiliar AP I pull out the AP diagram and if the instructions are long which these weren't I'll ask for a progressive. If I plan to remain in the pattern I'll let the tower know. The response, " eh you didn't ask." is classic. She obviously was turned lose when a little more understanding of communication, the AP and the AP environment was clearly needed. ATC is always willing to help and keep extra vigilant when students are in the air. Oh and yes I'm always right. It's part of being a Captain. When you make mistakes people die and you look bad.

@@RS-uo2nd anytime LLMF

Controller just grinding his teeth holding in the screams there

I would have calmly told her to taxi back to her instructor

That was me on local. I remember thinking that night, as I was leaving work, that I never wanted to think about that pilot ever again but thanks to LiveATC... well, here I am! 😂

@@sonnyj8533 you are a saint

He should have sent Miss Entitled back to parking the moment she said it.

That subtle chuckle he had cracked me up

I was just gonna type that lol turning 3034 hold short of xray.. even in beginning after second slower read back and she still got it wrong.. hmmm I say park at hanger and turn off key ,mags, lights lock door and come up here for a min please

@@stevenjones618 yep haha

negative. negative. lol

I had to listen to that part a few times too make sure I wasn't stroking out.

Even Wright Brothers must be feeling embarrassed of their discovery.

No; this is hardly a student. A Beginning student maybe, but not equipped to get a phone lesson from ATC. The call should have been GPS-direct ATC-to-chief flight instructor at the training operation.

I'm only 10 hours in my flight training what did that ATIS call mean exactly?

@@andrewmoore555 automatic terminal information service

@@andrewmoore555 its a bulletin board basically notams, weather, runway info etc

@@andrewmoore555 its assigned a letter on the update so when you report in they can see if you have up to date info. And that one was assigned O hence Oscar and altimeter was give

@@benjamind2764 yes it did thank you!! Goodluck to you as well. A very long journey awaits.

such a waste of the earths resources for 1 a-hole to fly a plane for pleasure.

@@dp1582 who made you the arbiter of "earths resources"...get off your high horse

A d a glass of wine in her other smoking medical gonga blaming her parents for her problems

Hopefully the checkride keeps her on the ground until she gains some basic competence.

@@ronbenjamin4351 gonga 😂 it’s ganja haha I know it’s irrelevant but I had to say it it was too funny

It probably was Moon Unit herself lol

Ugh, the vocal fry too...

Its a barbie girl in a barbie world wrapped in plastic

"Turning right on Deltuhh"

in all fairness, its NOT her fault.

She must be really pretty.

I know dude 😂😂

@@aross924 that one night made it

Nobody knows. He went into the witness protection this afternoon.

@@aross924 Yeah...Pretty bitchy.

I was thinking the same thing. Mam taxi back to your hanger, I will not give you clearance to take off...

Acceptable or not, even if it was a violation of regulations she should have been refused take off clearance for her safety and that of others.

I've seen tower controllers send them back, but it was mostly because they couldn't possibly hold their hands due to volume of other traffic.

Agreed. She was not ready for prime time. At all. At the VERY least "Black Square You're There" should have helped her get started here. With taxiing. Much less anything else.

i do not see anything wrong with this whatsoever. if there is a safety concern, be it a possible medical emergency, pilot possibly under the influence, or incompetency recognized by ATC, they should absolutely keep the aircraft grounded until the pilot can have a face to face with a supervisor or ground. as someone that is not a pilot, i can only hope that this a commonly accepted and used practice by ATC to keep everyone safe.

HA Mike Imagine this happening at CYOO on a day when there are 8 in the pattern like this past Saturday with the nice weather..

@@benbarnes7662 yes indeed - that would be a nightmare.

Wrong! This pilot should have been permanently grounded, get it?

As a former controller, I can assure you that statement is far from the truth!

@@DennisDaNo1Man that’s funny - thanks for giving us ground truth !

Fair statement but, most of the criticism I've seen here has been towards the instructor, not the student. The instructor should resign after letting this student go to solo. Agreed, the ATC was super pro...

Couldn’t have said it any better

If you can't take the heat...

@@IopuaauahiPapale shut up with this stupid shit man. It's supposed to be training, you don't throw someone into something they're wholly unqualified for and except them to just succeed. It's so disrespectful to pilots because it creates this attitude that pilots were just naturally smart and it doesn't acknowledge the hard work they did to build the skills to become a pilot.

if this is how she reacts to these situations does she really need to be flying? this is the part where cfi should step in and say this isnt for you.

I think the only thing the controller could have done different was asked what here intentions were when she requested taxi. That said said I think the CFI is the one to be concerned about. Most likely she messed up because she wasn't taught correctly. Obviously we don't know the full story though.

He was being nice to a girl.

@@kyleraymer5581 Oh absolutely, the controller can only do his best to aid and help her, but I applaud his patience and professionalism. Yes, the CFI is concerning, but, true, we don't know the full story. We can only hope for the best for all involved and hope that she's learned.

@@whereisthehook Yes, but, also being a controller with professionalism doing his best to help a pilot.

@@stevengraham7574 who is a girl

This is why I spend so much time on Vatsim. It's SUCH an amazing tool for training because it gives you that realistic communication and task loading. And after you do it on vatsim so much you sort of lose that terror that comes with talking to real ATC because you just feel like you're talking on the discord.

She's obviously sleeping with her CFI. She's the PIC. It's 100 percent her fault.

YOU must be the owner of the flight school accepting her payments! Reply: Blank stare

@@cyberpilot717 You managed to thoroughly demonstrate the depth of your critical thinking skills AND your misogyny is just three short sentences. Impressive!

@@lebojay Yeah, the assumptions I see being leaped to in this comments section. All we know is she's bad at radio handling, and yes, not ready for solo. That comes down to training, her instructor is as responsible or more for this. She's just not ready, and that's a trainer's fault for making a bad judgement.

charts*

@@armybasegamer8859 why are you correcting him saying charts? His statement was correct saying she didn't know how to read signs or how to use an airport diagram that I am guessing she didn't have with her.

@@desks3674 airport diagram ➡️ charts*

@@armybasegamer8859 The airport facility directory/chart supplement has Airport diagrams for reference and taxi assistance (amongst other things). The Aeronautical Charts have no information about the the taxiways themselves and certainly don't have any detailed depiction of the airports.

@@armybasegamer8859 plays MSFS2000 and thinks he know sit all

Just wondering if part of training, prior to releasing a student pilot for first solo, should not include a flight / some flights at a controlled field where student communicates with ATC?

@@jimknapp8731 it should. You'd be an idiot to send a student out with no atc comms work

I am so glad I am learning in uncontrolled airspace after this lol. First time I dealt with ATC was on my cross countries long after getting used to the radio and tagging along with other pilot's through controlled airspace a few times too. I am just afraid of making my first full stop at a controlled airport lol... Imma need to stop for gas on my next flight.

@@elizabethhowell8266 You should really get some controlled field experience. Trust me, you'll pick it up much quicker than you realize.

@@skykep5600 Good to know, I'll get some when I refuel on my next cross country.

You wouldn't be this bad, agree with others who can't believe she got her solo endorsement

Yes, but they do need a really good reason and they usually only do so if you're slurring words and sound intoxicated or having medical issues. I've seen a few cases of them telling someone to land and get medically checked out before they're allowed to take off again as well.

One of my early radio lessons was in ..421 on Rwy 24 pattern work. It wasn't until later I realized why I kept getting tongue tied! "Clear for 2-4, 421" Clear 4 2 4 4 2 1.

It isn't a great way to abbreviate callsigns. In the UK, the abbreviation includes the G at the start, so you know anything starting Golf is probably a callsign. If the US included the N, it might make things a little easier.

@@thomasdalton1508 On initial call up that happens (or aircraft type in place of "November"), but ATC will often refer to the last 3 characters in the tail number on subsequent transmissions.

That's a Roger Roger. Do we have clearance Clarence? What's my vector victor?

@@Acrowat40 and don't call me Shirly!

@A Vijh my Dad was a flight instructor - solo flew at 16 - that always amazed me.👍👍💜🙏

Students should know these things long before soloing, though. This was a dangerous situation because of how ill prepared she was. I can guarantee her CFI always handles the radios and did her a great disservice by signing her off. Soloing will teach you many things, but you have to know many other things first.

Same here! I know the difference between ATIS and actual instructions

@@denisemangold2265 Very impressive, Denise!

Well. She landed... so aparently she flies well enough. The communication skills are not great

How her instructor felt she was competent to fly without the requisite communication skills is beyond me.

@@MondoRockable maybe she gave him an incentive...

You guys must not remember your solo. How your hot shit skills went out the window as soon you were off the ground. 🤦🏻‍♂️

@@AlexVidrov Off the ground? She couldn't find her way to the runway! And presumably this is her home field.

If I were flying, I’d get out of the pattern and wait for her to be on the ground before I landed. Her situational awareness is lacking.

I was visibly disgusted every time I heard her say “Ok” and I haven’t even solo’d yet.

@@UltraWeebMaster same on jah lmao

I don't even plan to learn but felt almost physical pain every time

There is probably about 10 more years until I’d be even remotely able to afford anything resembling a private pilot license, and even I cringed at that a bit.

@@UltraWeebMaster You'd even get called out for that on Vatsim. How in today's world where all of this can be practiced for free before you ever get in a plane is she so bad at this.

funny ?

Bold words coming from someone who has a slow crowd killer in their pfp

She’s no longer driving a plane after this haha

@@noblevengeance312 😂😂😂

I'm ashamed to say I laughed out loud at this. lol

I'm not ashamed to say it, lol

I'm rolling on all these comments, after already balling my eyes out hearing the audio

Should we put on all the lights????? Nooooo thats what they will be expecting

This is a very easy taxi to do at JLN.

ya... thats gonna happen.

You wont get off the ground, will spend 10 hrs taxiing around trying to get progressive taxi and try to find the runway, not to mention if you do get airborne it wont last long due to wrong altimeter settings 😂

You won't have to wait for too long. United is getting right on it as we speak!! 😃

United wouldn't hire her. Ryanair, however...

😂😂😂😂

@@saborwolf You haven't heard? United has switched from "equality of opportunity" hiring to "equality of outcome". The new goal is to hire 50% women/oppressed/minorities. I'm foreseeing a drastic change in qualifications required to land in the Captains seat with a hefty political goal like that.

nope...; wrong conclusion (or funny joke ?)

💀💀

That's the scary part.

Neither did Daffy Duck, her instructor.

@@AncientFlight1 Pretty sure that’s what I said 3 months ago

@@kenriehl7852 Confirmed. Good copy.

My instructor randomly got out of the plane as well, and made me do 3 takeoffs and landings in January. My leg was shaking so bad

🤣🤣🤣

I noticed that too… since the airport has a 36 runway, maybe the controller messed it up out of habit?

N8236B is a Bell helicopter registered in TX. N8263B is Cessna 172 registered in Colorado which is a long way from Joplin airport (I am assuming this is Joplin, MO). She initially said she was a student but then said she was working on her private currency. She needs a safety pilot with her.

@@conraddcruz Some schools and instructors place currency requirements on students above FAA requirements. I'm guessing that's what she might have been referring to. Maybe.