Hip Hinge Increases Weapon Reach

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Жыл бұрын

At a training event at Trelleborg Museum in Denmark in October 2022, my fellow swordsman Mikkel Mønsted and myself share some insights regarding fencing posture, and what geometry can do for you.
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@swordandshield Жыл бұрын

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@splootsman Жыл бұрын

you seem like a fantastic teacher. wonderful content!

@path1024 Жыл бұрын

It would be so amazing if we could see back in time to a real battle, maybe on a ship or in a hall, with a great swordsman making his way through the enemy. Not a reenaction or a movie, but the real deal. I bet people fought different than we can imagine when their real lives were on the line and all different skill levels were in the mix. We can never truly witness it.

@MaraW1832 Жыл бұрын

The sick fucks on liveleak have already proven why that'd be a bad idea

@Davlavi Жыл бұрын

Very cool.

@bastibischoff8126 Жыл бұрын

That kind of stance is also described in rhe I33 manual, isn't it?

@kidddogbites Жыл бұрын

indeed

@andrewsock1608 Жыл бұрын

It’s slow getting out of that position before you are dragged down

@torstenscott7571 Жыл бұрын

The very name Viking originated from "vikinger" which meant bay dweller. At times they were regarded as pirates, traders, and explorers depending upon the era. Swords were not as common, as axes were the original weapon for most (as you mentioned), but spears were the preferred weapons of choice for hand to hand combat. Culturally, medieval Scandinavians were also more thoughtful, stoic, and reserved than the sensationalized accounts popularized by Hollywood. Being that thrusts are usually more lethal than cuts, and the Vikings well traveled experience with unconventional warfare, it is only reasonable to assume that efficiency and skill allowed them to raid quickly, efficiently, and to escape before large forces could capture or kill them. Undoubtedly, the use of shock and awe methods likely enhanced their reputation among their enemies.

@keanux5906 Жыл бұрын

The recommended is a strange thing

@bashkillszombies Жыл бұрын

Now you know why fencers lunge.

@goosecf Жыл бұрын

Seems useful. I'll make sure to try this out on some peasant boy next time I'm raiding a village.

@haleth983 11 ай бұрын

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@WrathOfPhropet Жыл бұрын

I wondered why they were leaning this way in the I33 manual

@dougmartin2007 Жыл бұрын

I have seen this with a Norman kite shield and (when viewed by the attacker) the whole body including the feet is behind the shield. The only things showing are the eyes and above.

@keyem4504 Жыл бұрын

You'll find techniques like that also in Chinese fighting styles, with and without weapons.

@WhatIfBrigade Жыл бұрын

Yes, I'm reminded of Snake Stance in Kung Fu. The body is small, but you can pivot into a kick or hand strike. And with a shield you can get small behind the shield then uncoil with it protecting your head.

@RunicFlameForge Жыл бұрын

I've always wondered how combat would change without a shield maybe more like arming sword techniques

@luizuhtred3116 Жыл бұрын

What would be the difference between this hip hinge and losing range when ducking (to hit a lower target)? Given that our maximum range is at shoulder level.

@ohauss Жыл бұрын

I'd posit it's in deliberately hinging forward from the hip, rather than just lowering yourself.

@I_Willenbrock_I Жыл бұрын

It's a redistribution of the point of balance. You hinge, the butt goes back to stabilise and the shoulders automatically give you more reach. You do something similar in long sword. You work from the knees and hips. You lower yourself, gain more reach and pose a smaller target. However, this needs lots of training, because you need to learn how to stay balanced. Your legs and knees also are suffering more.

@konigeurichderwestgoten4460 Жыл бұрын

Curiosity, how much do those shields weigh? Also, I've heard that some did use straps as opposed to center-grip rounds shields. I've found longer swords are better with straps while axes and short swords/fighting knives are better with center-grips. And fighting without shields gives you a lot more freedom of movement, though that'd be a better strategy for skirmishes I reckon instead of long large-scale regimented battle.

@messylaura 9 ай бұрын

how often do you use an edge strike with the shield, obviously not a full on strike but a practice force one?

@Magneticlaw Жыл бұрын

Good for a duel, but not necessarily pitched battle?

@highlandsprings5752 Жыл бұрын

Why you should deadlift

@MetalVikingBatmanfan1989 10 ай бұрын

How big are those shields

@soldierbreakneck771 Жыл бұрын

Once I met funny guys who "taught" people fencing with a sword and shield. They practiced something similar to swordsmanship in equipment a bit like late 14th, early 15th century armor with blunt weapons. I remember that the chief among them said that you need to use the "boxing stance" for fencing because it is optimal for martial arts. I then laughed to myself, but did not argue. These people had a lot of followers, which is more sad than funny.

@frankheninja1 Жыл бұрын

Different historical fencing systems used different stances. What I study teaches broadsword and targe with a very upright, almost pugilistic stance. Because that’s how the sources I study advocate standing. Any decision in a martial art is about boons and trade offs. You get more reach at the detriment to structure. You gain more structure at the detriment of reach. That doesn’t make it “wrong” just different.

@soldierbreakneck771 Жыл бұрын

@@frankheninja1 And what kind of fencing school are you are studying?

@eberp9270 Жыл бұрын

@@soldierbreakneck771 I also study broadsword and confirm frankheninja1 is accurate. Most historical sources for broadsword show a very upright stance (many show fencers arched back and away from the opponent). The manuals tell us that this keeps us weighted on the rear leg, allowing the front leg to be quicker to slip back if attacked and also keeps the head and upper torso further away from the attacking blade. Obviously, this isn't the optimal way to use every sword, but it is effective for 17thC broadsword.

@frankheninja1 Жыл бұрын

@@soldierbreakneck771 I study 18th century English broad/backsword. Primarily from the works of Thomas Page and Andrew Lonnergan.

@soldierbreakneck771 Жыл бұрын

@@frankheninja1 I checked your source, it's nothing like what the above guys demonstrated. This is real fencing with the right fencing stances. Those guys were doing nonsense without any real fencing technique I think.

@Druid_Ignacy Жыл бұрын

How much hip hinge stance affects your back health? Maybe in positive way? How often do you train - so to know wether it's really hip hinge stance that affects (or doesn't) your life? I've experienced benefits of hip hinge even in full gear / full speed, yet I wonder about consequences of using it so often.

@greatgambleino8918 Жыл бұрын

Keep in mind the men (who created these techniques) are by our standards world class athletes with a basic but still more nutritious diet than most. Even modern farmers with the help of machines are very very strong naturally.

@WrathOfPhropet Жыл бұрын

Getting into a swordfight with shorter reach probably affects health much more

@Sir-Cyr_Rill-Nil-Mill Жыл бұрын

_awesome_ "fencing hack"

@DudeDudeDudeDudeDude Жыл бұрын

297th like

@tsafa Жыл бұрын

This does not seem to fit the Viking character. Vikings were big bold in-your-face kind of people. Viking swords were also on the thin side. I see them using a cutting style than a thrusting style. I think the cutting style of fighting would have carried over from the very common use of hand axes. I don't think they would have changed their entire style of fighting as they switched from axe to sword. Ultimately the weapon is going to tell you how it wants to be used. When I pick up a Viking sword I want to cut with it, rather than thrust with it.

@IamtheWV17 Жыл бұрын

"Vikings were big, bold, in-you-face kind of people." How many do you know personally? 🤣🤦‍♂️ Your opening discredited anything you proceeded to write.

@tsafa Жыл бұрын

@IamtheWV17 I don't need to know any personally, I can read Beowulf. That is contemporary poetry describing the Scandinavian Warrior character in good detail. Now that I have acredited my opening, go back and read everything else.

@HeadsFullOfEyeballs Жыл бұрын

@@tsafa But Beowulf is idealized epic poetry, not a historical account. It draws on conventions and imagery that were many hundreds of years old at the time of its creation. And its content treats events that were already 100-200 years in the past then. The average Norse raider wouldn't have fought like a legendary hero, but like a person trying to stay alive.

@tsafa Жыл бұрын

@HeadsFullOfEyeballs consider the fighting tactics of Norman's who were basically Mounted Vikings few Generations later. Norman's favored the heavy mounted charge. That's going to reflect in everything else that they do. When they get off the horse, they're not going to use their swords like Rapiers. They're going to use them like crowbars with an edge. That's in line with their style of fighting dominated by the heavy mounted charge. The Vikings preferred the hand-axe for combat. That's going to carry over to their use of the sword.