HIP HOP FAN'S FIRST TIME HEARING 'Slipknot - Spit It Out' | GENUINE REACTION

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2ND VIDEO OF THE DAY. This Slipknot song really shocked me compared to the others we have listened to so far. Spit It Out seems to be structured so differently and I feel like this is a song that would easily convert a lot of Rap fans.
Here is my reaction to hearing Slipknot - Spit It Out for the first time. I hope you enjoy it!
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@bretttodd6470
@bretttodd6470 4 ай бұрын
Def gotta check out the live at download version. Spinning / tilting drum kit. Total control of the crowd down on their knees. Jump the F up. You'll know what that means when if you see it.
@jasonwerner4335
@jasonwerner4335 4 ай бұрын
This☝️
@adamwalkeraw
@adamwalkeraw 4 ай бұрын
Do this upvote
@williammoye6997
@williammoye6997 4 ай бұрын
Yeah.. check out the download 2009 version live
@danafouts9620
@danafouts9620 4 ай бұрын
Definitely the live download version! I feel like my fellow maggots have let Molly down and not put ting him on the correct music video 🤡💀😈🤬😂
@davidwest5506
@davidwest5506 4 ай бұрын
Yes,mfing ,watch live!!
@northlord1447
@northlord1447 4 ай бұрын
Their first album is a masterpiece! Changed metal music.
@hughjanus9557
@hughjanus9557 4 ай бұрын
Was introduced to it at 12 and have been a fan of theirs ever since. They pushed me in the metal direction and I will always be thankful for slipknot.
@mafoo4426
@mafoo4426 4 ай бұрын
Left behind , eyeless , sulfur , people = shit , dead memories , disasterpiece , Nero forte , (SIC) , and devil in I
@KaseyKaos
@KaseyKaos 4 ай бұрын
dont forget Surfacing!!
@JD.Knight
@JD.Knight 4 ай бұрын
Heretic Anthem
@theRavensRed
@theRavensRed 4 ай бұрын
LOVE He​retic Anthem. @@JD.Knight
@calebmacbeth7573
@calebmacbeth7573 3 ай бұрын
Child of burning time, no life and snuff aswell
@OWLORDIE
@OWLORDIE 3 ай бұрын
fuck yeah dude!!!
@not58me
@not58me 4 ай бұрын
Slipknot-eyeless is a must for some of that early slipknot very agressive sound that just slaps you in the face
4 ай бұрын
Slipknot „The Devil in I” is a must have! I would love to see this clip from duality reaction ❤
@Angela-sq1jz
@Angela-sq1jz 4 ай бұрын
Now watch Snuff, the acoustic version with Corey. His voice is so beautiful! Crazy he can do this but then do that.
@brandonsimmons1695
@brandonsimmons1695 4 ай бұрын
More Slipknot is always the answer. I need you see you react to Custer, People = Shit and The Blister Exists
@macalward
@macalward 4 ай бұрын
Heritic Anthem, or anything off Iowa. By far the most brutal of all Slipknot albums in my opinion.
@ReturnToTradition
@ReturnToTradition 4 ай бұрын
Early Slipknot had definite rap-nu-metal vibes to it.
@omegashinra7672
@omegashinra7672 4 ай бұрын
More than vibes, they were the peak definition of Nu-Metal imo. Rapping, DJ, heavy as fuck, they were 110% through and through peak Nu-Metal.
@user-le5xl3vf2f
@user-le5xl3vf2f 4 ай бұрын
​@@omegashinra7672any band that has both harsh vocals and scratching is already nu metal
@AdamSapphire
@AdamSapphire 4 ай бұрын
I’m from Iowa and I’ve seen Slipknot live before, they rock!
@phill4666
@phill4666 4 ай бұрын
Illinois!! Side stage at Ozzfest. Mind blown!!!!!
@DaP84
@DaP84 4 ай бұрын
That is Iowa levels of heavy!
@joshuamasserant8215
@joshuamasserant8215 4 ай бұрын
@@phill4666 Was it Ozzfest 1999? In Michigan they had a bonus 3rd stage with Slipknot, Static-X and my favorite band Fear Factory.
@bryanmack5410
@bryanmack5410 4 ай бұрын
Not a huge fan, but I sure do respect what they did for heavy music over the years, and Joey is one of the best metal drummers of all time.
@jasonetheridge2349
@jasonetheridge2349 4 ай бұрын
Love Slipknot. They changed the sound of metal. Their debut album is one of the greatest I've heard. Saw them in '99, their debut year. Absolutely insane show. They set fire to all 3 drum kits at the end of the show. Madness!! Can't wait to see your reaction to this MB 🤘🏻
@eZTarg8mk2
@eZTarg8mk2 4 ай бұрын
There's 2 live versions of this that you might enjoy, first is live at download "Jump the f**k up" and then after that Corey doing this live on an acoustic guitar (you'll see why you need to do it in that order as he kinda has a play with what he did at download). Loving the reactions dude, it's a pleasure watching you discover all this music
@Defensive_Wounds
@Defensive_Wounds 4 ай бұрын
He soooo needs to see the live one where the audience sits down then they all jump up 100%%!!
@keldonpremuda2494
@keldonpremuda2494 3 ай бұрын
Watching your descent into becoming a metalhead gives me hope for the future. \m/
@christiansanders5282
@christiansanders5282 4 ай бұрын
YES!! YES!!! SPIT IT OUT 2009 LIVE AT DOWNLOAD!!! YOU WILL NOT REGRET IT!!!🤝
@jefffrey4844
@jefffrey4844 4 ай бұрын
Although Slipknot is not my favorite, it won't stop me watching! Simply can't get enough of your reactions!
@Metal_Mary
@Metal_Mary 4 ай бұрын
Me too Jeff. I'm not a huge fan. But I'll support Molls 💯
@sic1six
@sic1six 4 ай бұрын
COAL CHAMBER "LOCO" Please of course lol
@BruneyJustin
@BruneyJustin 4 ай бұрын
Good job man, keep up the slipknot reactions!
@Metal_Mary
@Metal_Mary 4 ай бұрын
Banger Tuesday!! We get 3!! 😁 I absolutely love SOAD Ariels ❤ 1 of my favorite songs, Lonely day is 2nd! Just pure magic! Thanks Molls 😊 〽️
@sandracaminos
@sandracaminos 4 ай бұрын
Lonely day, please!!!!!
@BLZeBobpaint
@BLZeBobpaint 4 ай бұрын
Amazing song. Saw these guys many times including on their first tour and it was bananas! By far the most intense show I’ve ever been to.
@Pohgrey
@Pohgrey 3 ай бұрын
I told you this song is almost a heavy metal rap song that I thought you'd really like! Nice one, Molly! I've been waiting for you to react to this one!
@carriearmour2338
@carriearmour2338 4 ай бұрын
Corey is so fucking talented. Rapping screaming pop vocals. Love me some slipknot and this channel Spit it out should be watched it helps. There is a lot going on . Love the channel
@AarosConcerts
@AarosConcerts 4 ай бұрын
Dude check out Slipknot playing this at Download 2009 🤘🏻 one of the finest live concerts ever!
@zombiespongebob6903
@zombiespongebob6903 4 ай бұрын
LIT LIT AND LIT! Drop the mic! First song i have ever heard from them, been hooked ever since.
@Bard-_
@Bard-_ 4 ай бұрын
You should check out "I am hated" from Slipknot's album IOWA. Fun shit for sure. Keep rocking, MollyboyTV!
@MarkyMark8484
@MarkyMark8484 4 ай бұрын
Yooooo bro. One of the best vids to react to. Ive been listening to them ever since seeing their spread in a magazine back in my freshman year of high school in '99. Not sure what it was. Maybe Revolver? IDK. My friend showed it to me and the masks freaked the hell outta me. First time I've seen masks in music. And, the actual pioneers of masks in music. Hope your migraines have dissipated a bit. Keep up the awesome vids Bruv. And with the numerous comments youll get, definitely listen to this song live at Download in England. It is legendary.
@chriscrim751
@chriscrim751 4 ай бұрын
I knew you'd like this song! It's the first song I heard from Slipknot back in the day when it came out. Fucking hardcore! Perfect mix of Metal with rap style delivery. Just rad!
@martinwiberg678
@martinwiberg678 4 ай бұрын
Well said, Mollyboy music is magic, madness, mayhem, and more
@constantine964
@constantine964 4 ай бұрын
Love slipknot 🤘 your reactions are great! You done any spiritbox yet? Holy roller x
@harmonic3350
@harmonic3350 4 ай бұрын
Great picks 2day 🔥
@danielkinn782
@danielkinn782 4 ай бұрын
I first saw Slipknot in 1999 at Ozzfest. 2nd stage. They were unknown then. 9 maniacs on a stage absolutely Killing it. I was instantly a fan. They so so much fun. Aggressive, hard, fast and passionate. They have never really lost their edge. I'm sure TONS of people have said you need to see this live from Download...there's a reason why. It's incredible. The crowd control and music. Trust us! Much love Molly!!
@jinjerjunkie
@jinjerjunkie 4 ай бұрын
This was by far and away the most floored I have been by hearing any band/album on first listen. I fondly remember 17 year old me randomly buying the cd just because the masks kind of reminded me of gwar lol. Then I was just blown away track after track after track driving way faster than I should of been in my 1990 eagle talon on the back roads in east Tennessee.
@IIIYungIII
@IIIYungIII 4 ай бұрын
You have to listen to their Iowa Album. So freaking heavy and nasty‼️Great video as always can’t wait for you to react to their early live shows.
@alexandersmith-mp3ro
@alexandersmith-mp3ro 4 ай бұрын
Seen them 5 times always brilliant live
@brettkenschaft4239
@brettkenschaft4239 4 ай бұрын
I had actually never seen the video for this song before. Nice nod to The Shining!
@davejersey8464
@davejersey8464 4 ай бұрын
Slipknot is one of those bands where there'll never be another one, know what I mean. So original. Yo, still waiting for that GODSMACK Straight Out Of Line video, you gotta see how that drummer drums! I know you'll pause it, look at us and WTF how does he drum like that...crazy!
@Atlas_UK
@Atlas_UK 4 ай бұрын
I had the delight and privilege to see them live on their debut tour in Wolverhampton when they got banned from the city lol that was a hell of a show, but I've seen them at other gigs too, and throughout the years they have never done a bad gig! :)
@scottmills7628
@scottmills7628 4 ай бұрын
My favorite song by them 🤘 So glad I got to experience this in a pit in my 20s it was absolutely crazy!!!!
@jasonchislett3282
@jasonchislett3282 3 ай бұрын
Definitely giving me hope for the next generation.
@dudefromtexas425
@dudefromtexas425 4 ай бұрын
Slipknot Live in the late 90s 00s was the best 🔥🤘
@wolfinthesno
@wolfinthesno 4 ай бұрын
Hey man if you want to check out another Slipknot song that kind of has a similar vibe to this one, check out Only One, its kind of a deep cut, its pretty rare to see reactors getting around to Only One, but similar to this one, when you pay attention to the lyrics it very much hits like a diss track, and it just makes you want to fight lol. Great reaction man. Not sure what you changed in the last few months but keep it up quality seems much much better.
@NUMBgirl021
@NUMBgirl021 4 ай бұрын
A tear just rolled down my leg
@wilcowiersma9465
@wilcowiersma9465 4 ай бұрын
The drums is a sort of ofbeat polyritm. Man!! Joey was such an amazing drummer!!!
@OWLORDIE
@OWLORDIE 3 ай бұрын
the Shining visuals fit them soooo lit
@dustinsamson4879
@dustinsamson4879 4 ай бұрын
Should have done this song live at download 2009 its fucking absolutely wild!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And joey on the drums live at downlad is nuts
@dakotaman408
@dakotaman408 4 ай бұрын
The Download 09 clip is a.must now
@chrisgranger8720
@chrisgranger8720 4 ай бұрын
PLEASE do a reaction to the live version. It’s their encore at their shows. Wirth the watch!!
@omegashinra7672
@omegashinra7672 4 ай бұрын
Ah man, first 2 albums of Slipknot are so insane. They lost it a bit after Iowa but these first two are so hungry and angry, I love it.
@melissavukelic4138
@melissavukelic4138 4 ай бұрын
That kind of flow is prominent in their debut self-titled album. You should def check out more from that album.
@davechapple1212
@davechapple1212 4 ай бұрын
Gotta check out Mudvayne! They're my favourite band to this date. Their debut album LD.50 blew my mind when i was a kid. Songs wise, Death Blooms (don't do the official video, it's censored) or Nothing to Gein. Both bangers 🤘 Welcome to the metalhead family
@Koopacetic
@Koopacetic 4 ай бұрын
This was the song that allowed me to ascend. All of metal lay before me after I found this song.
@dawnpelz8570
@dawnpelz8570 4 ай бұрын
Yep, this one hits, even for an old metal head from the 80/90's. I need to see them in concert. If you haven't done Nightmare from Avenged Sevenfold, you're missing out. The first time I heard that one in my early 40's, I was like this is everything that I love about metal in one song. Lamb of God! I really need to see it.
@theRavensRed
@theRavensRed 4 ай бұрын
Also The Shape and - like another commenter mentioned - The Heretic Anthem from Slipknot are amazing. 🖤🤘🖤
@mattblatchley2061
@mattblatchley2061 4 ай бұрын
so good...not a bad Slipknot song out there!!! I think you'll like them as they get older...becomes more melodic---Corey just couldn't abuse his body like he could early on...but I think they are still great even today...great REACT!!!
@Craigpyrog
@Craigpyrog 4 ай бұрын
Slipknot and Limp Bizkit were the main bands that used turntables in the nu-metal era. I remember when this first dropped in the rock clubs in London and it was insane. I was lucky enough to meet the band the night before their first UK gig at the Astoria in London and got guest-listed for the show.
@SkateSoup
@SkateSoup 4 ай бұрын
"Is he rapping?" Yup, showing my age, before the term Nu Metal was coined, it was called rap rock because the roots were rapping over live played rock/metal. This was more of a thing earlier on in the scene, there was less rapping as things went on, but this i think was an earlyish album of theirs. If you ever want to dive into the history, check out the Judgement Night aoundtrack. The whole album was putting a hip hop group together with a metal band and letting them get on with it. Some worked better than others, but it was an interesting preview of what was to come. Of course the deep deep foundation was Anthrax doing Bring the Noise with Public Enemy and the Aerosmith/Run-DMC collab on Walk This Way blew up huge around the and time. Before that Anthrax did I'm the Man on their own which was the best thing ever when i heard it at the time, because i was listening to Slayer and Metallica as well as BDP/EPMD/Public Enemy and others already.
@amandasmith5509
@amandasmith5509 3 ай бұрын
Slipknot consisted of 9 members I believe so that's how all the drum beats were put together. Pretty cool
@theRavensRed
@theRavensRed 4 ай бұрын
Those metallic drums are metal pipes being hit on empty beer kegs. Which is where they get their industrial metal genre nod. And there's a samples and media dude which is where you get the odder noises and clips of people speaking and whatnot.
@jolazpulin5544
@jolazpulin5544 4 ай бұрын
Loved the reaction and this band! I think you would've love the live at download 09, but if you don´t want to react to it just watch it on your own and then give us your feedback on your next slipknot reaction! Much love bro
@frankiecontreras1315
@frankiecontreras1315 2 ай бұрын
Spit it out live in London 2002 is epic
@dandi-setiawan622
@dandi-setiawan622 3 ай бұрын
My favorite band 😍🤘🏼🔥
@bigtc75
@bigtc75 4 ай бұрын
Hey Mollyboy you have to listen to Suicidal Tendencies-Can’t bring me down. It’s a banger bro 🤘🏼🤘🏼
@Missy197666
@Missy197666 3 ай бұрын
Joey is the best, such an amazing talent and an incredible person RIP Joey and Paul 🤘🖤
@yar3ly
@yar3ly 4 ай бұрын
dude u neeeeed to react to eyeless 😫 its such a good song and it lowkey got me into slipknot
@DRanonDoctorANON69
@DRanonDoctorANON69 4 ай бұрын
Very cool. Liked it a lot. My first time, too! At times, Taylor's voice is beautiful.
@aaroncurle5466
@aaroncurle5466 4 ай бұрын
Gotta do the 09 download version of this, its absolutely insane. Also once u delve deeper and do more slipknot, highly recommend watching the full download 09 performance. You Will not regret it.
@paulatreides1354
@paulatreides1354 4 ай бұрын
yeah on the first album Corey the singer was really into that speed rap flow type of singing ,was cool .
@shannonpatrick3534
@shannonpatrick3534 4 ай бұрын
OMG! That gave me all sorts of new feelings. I’m ready to go conquer something 💣🔥🔥☄️I might be a Slipknot fan. What does this mean lol
@billyhaines4843
@billyhaines4843 4 ай бұрын
Still from the best slipknot album ever!!! Saw them first at reading 2000 and I’ve seen them 15 more times live since. 1999 was the best metal scene ever in the history of metal you had to be there to realise how cool the metal scene was. Every weekend in London was like meeting up with metal friends and seeing the best metal acts before they were metal gods. Slipknot were no different new blood and ready to have the best time. Great reaction!!! Sic next man sic next. Joey jordison will miss you everyday no one can drum like him bro true talent. Every slipknot song has decks. But the first album it is very decks to the front. Corey Taylor did rap also in the first album. Sic sic sic next
@DarwinMachiste
@DarwinMachiste 4 ай бұрын
Now go with a live one, i saw them, was amazing!!!
@joatagewin
@joatagewin 4 ай бұрын
Slipknot was a beast when they came out. This song was one of my intros to metal. It was on my first mix cd lol. Check out Corey Taylor's song with Tech n9ne, Wither I think it's called.
@Sarahlouisseize
@Sarahlouisseize 4 ай бұрын
Surfacing is my favorite from their first album hits you like a ton of bricks flying off a semi truck into your face. Also highly recommend disasterpiece as well probably their heaviest song they have music wise. Lyric-wise scissors and iowa are almost hard to listen to but that's what gives them their weight.
@grahampashley7800
@grahampashley7800 3 ай бұрын
A lot of said it and I will as I did the other day. This song at download 2009. You will NOT regret it. 🤯
@petermurphy7901
@petermurphy7901 4 ай бұрын
That was a lot of people's complaint when SLIPKNOT first came out that they were rap/rock. Their first album is the best in my opinion, especially if you find a pressing with "Purity" on it instead of the song they replaced it with while they were being sued.
@user-yl3fm1fu4y
@user-yl3fm1fu4y 4 ай бұрын
I remember going to a.Slipknot show in St Paul MN. It was my 12 year old daughters first concert and I let her go on the floor with my brother and his wife. During this song when they did the "Jump the f##k up!" Break down I saw my daughter jump.up then get swallowed into what looked like a big human toilet. It was crazy! She still.says its the most fun she's ever.had.
@joehouser1228
@joehouser1228 4 ай бұрын
Yes need to react to this song download 2009 freaking awesome
@neilpatrickhairless
@neilpatrickhairless 4 ай бұрын
Also Korn didn't have a DJ in the band but often opened their shows with my homeboy DJ C-Minus
@jeffhenagin5734
@jeffhenagin5734 4 ай бұрын
Psychosocial is a masterpiece. No need for apologies bro🤘 dude I'm almost 50yrs old and you encouraged me to quit smoking dude🤘 keep on being your badassed self.
@MollyBoyTV
@MollyBoyTV 4 ай бұрын
That’s awesome man. I hope you stick to it. I think I’m 9 weeks cigarette free now!
@tommysaroda4446
@tommysaroda4446 4 ай бұрын
​@MollyBoyTV Yo Molly Lad bro, please check out The music band called Silverchair song called Tomorrow ( there are two official music video versions of the same song by Silverchair song called Tomorrow), there's the US version of Silverchair song and there's the Australian Version by Silverchair song called Tomorrow (but between these same songs, their vocals sound same but the way they sing is a little different) and also there's Silverchair song Tomorrow called Silverchair tomorrow live MTV Awards 1995 (which is also known as the live performance version). Molly bro, you got to check it out yo
@HangoverMike
@HangoverMike 4 ай бұрын
This was on their debut. Insane
@markmiller8723
@markmiller8723 4 ай бұрын
The opening riffs are just pure filth 🤘🖤🤘
@JoseMorales-hr3kw
@JoseMorales-hr3kw 4 ай бұрын
Fuck yeah! 🤘🏼
@bcconvoy9
@bcconvoy9 4 ай бұрын
I seen them in 99 in Myrtle Beach South Carolina at the House of Blues off the first album, it was insane.
@seandobson6221
@seandobson6221 4 ай бұрын
Corey is a huge horror fan and this is a throw back to a classic movie The Shining
@the1khronohs40
@the1khronohs40 4 ай бұрын
I agree. Psychosocial is a fucking banger amongst the newer shit. But THIS is the really good Slipknot! Way back when they were all the best guys, and they were ANGRY. Pissed off the charts! And their sound was raw and unpolished. ❤
@Double_J_48629
@Double_J_48629 4 ай бұрын
still my favorite Slipknot album (though, _Iowa_ is a close second). and while _Wait and Bleed_ brought me to the party , i stayed for _(SIC)_ and _Eyeless_ . this era was pure unbridled chaos.
@davidfoale9555
@davidfoale9555 4 ай бұрын
Hey!! Lots of the vocals on their first album are more rap. Other amazing tracks from this album Liberate & No Life 🤘🤘
@kylec1411
@kylec1411 4 ай бұрын
Eyeless and Sic are both deadly tunes. And Sulfur ive always loved
@RunawayOcelot
@RunawayOcelot 4 ай бұрын
Live at Download Festival. Run it!!
@oler00
@oler00 3 ай бұрын
I think the live version from the Disasterpieces DVD is a lot better. Earlier Slipknot, more raw and it was in their crazy Iowa phase. Everyone always says do live at Download but I feel it's because of how huge the crowd size is. It's a decent performance, but anyway, just my opinion. I'm fuckin high haha my bad, these edibles got me responding to random folks on the Interwebs 🤣🤣🤣
@creveco79
@creveco79 4 ай бұрын
The video clip is based on the movie The Shining. Great horror movie
@Rose-From-the-Dead
@Rose-From-the-Dead 4 ай бұрын
Definitely check out the live at Download video for this song. It will blow your mind
@yutehube4468
@yutehube4468 2 ай бұрын
As soon as you hear that "WHAAAA WOOOOO" at the start.
@RidikQQless
@RidikQQless 4 ай бұрын
This is off their first studio album. It's probably their best. It's between that and Iowa. This album changed everything.Nothing sounded like this when it was released. It's an absolute banger. Sic , Eyeless, Wait & Bleed, Liberate, Spit it out. Every song is on point, a straight metal masterpiece. To call this nu metal is an insult. They were at Ozzfest that year, and no one knew who they were. After the tour, everyone knew who they were.
@t3hi84n2g
@t3hi84n2g 4 ай бұрын
I've been enjoying each of your reactions that Ive caught so far, got a few cool suggestions. Tech N9ne - Straight Out the Gate, is a hip hop song that features Serj, the lead singer from System of a Down. Slipknot - Surfacing, another song from the same album as this that doesnt get as may views but its awesome. Polyphia -G.O.A.T. this ones a little different. Instrumental band that started with more metal roots but their most current music has influence from everywhere. You just have to experience them. Coheed and Cambria - No World For Tomorrow, modern progressive metal with a lot more in common with Rush and Iron Maiden than Slipknot or System of a Down. If you did ANY of these songs it would be great! Every reactor who has ever done 1 Polyphia song has done at least 2 more, they're a viral band.
@flexygoo1295
@flexygoo1295 4 ай бұрын
There's a "Hyper" version of this song not many people know about. It slaps so hard your gran will feel it
@minuteofdecay7462
@minuteofdecay7462 4 ай бұрын
You should definitely react to " Disasterpiece live in London 2002 " one of theirs craziest show ever
@black4pienus
@black4pienus 4 ай бұрын
My favorite Slipknot tunes are 'Wait and Bleed' and 'Before I forget'. I think you've reacted to one or both already. Not sure. If so, you better've added both to your playlist! lol. #Slipfrog
@andrewrobinson1479
@andrewrobinson1479 4 ай бұрын
I personally dig the early slipknot vs newer. 1st two albums are both great
@debrastephens2229
@debrastephens2229 4 ай бұрын
Slipknot Spit It Out, at Download 2009 is a MUST watch. You won't be disappointed.
@thundacracka77
@thundacracka77 4 ай бұрын
Also, still late. The boys from Iowa!!!!
@belegurthbaggins805
@belegurthbaggins805 4 ай бұрын
you've got to hear live 2009 download !!
@johnscotillo139
@johnscotillo139 4 ай бұрын
Fun fact: Sid Wilson aka DJ Starscream, aka #0 is Slipknot's DJ, and is currently with Ozzy's daughter Kelly, with child
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