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Luckily I already know who Lyra's parents are

@@maldon3659 oh same, and the TV show doesn't make it hard to guess but I suspect that if you are someone who cares about spoilers this detail is supposed to be something you don't know at the start

Ok anyone who read the book or watched the 2007 movie knows that "spoiler" is just small potatoes.

Yes definitely!!

Still giving her magic kung fu is a strange choice

Nothing of that was essential to the story and neither did help establish her as a character, so what is the point?

@@gustaf3811 costume design is a form of storytelling, often outfits can say things about a character that their words and actions do not.

@@gustaf3811 outfits are absolutely essential to storytelling in a visual medium like TV

Completely agree. I think this is exemplified in the Bolvangar scene when Lyra and Pan get put under the knife and their bond is almost severed. You can feel Lyra's panic throughout that entire scene, and the fact that, until this point, she had tried to act so strong and appear so brave just drives home the sheer horror of what is about to happen. I had to actually put the book down for a bit after reading that part because, like you said, it was so visceral. The same scene in the show just doesn't ring the same and I think Lyra barely acknowledges Pan when Mrs. Coulter stops the device. In the book, she clings to Pan as she cries, not even caring that Mrs. Coulter is there or that other people are seeing her act so "weak," while in the show, she just stares defiantly at Mrs. Coulter and completely ignores Pan. I do wonder how failure to demonstrate just how profound the bond between humans and their deamons are will affect events in the third series.

idk how the god damn pokemon anime made me feel more emotional over a human and their animal companion than this show oftentimes, but here we go I guess. makes me wonder if the use of cgi made things more difficult.

@@bebel9 Yep, that scene is my least favourite part of the entire show for that very reason.

@@bebel9 I think they did better with Roger and Salcillia in the final episode. There is clearly panic and fear in both of them. Especially Salcillia.

My biggest problem with the whole series was the scene in which Lyra and Pan are nearly severed. Because before they are put into the machine, Lyra tries to run away without him! She would never in a million years attempt this in the book. Pantalaimon is, literally, everything to her. In the book, she was actually too preoccupied with the distress of someone else touching him and keeping him away from her to do anything else. It also just doesn't make sense that she would try to "save herself" and leave Pan when Pan *is* herself. Edit: And if my memory serves me correctly, they neglected to show how relieved the two of them were in being rescued and not seperated. The amount of times in the book that Lyra and her dæmon show intense physical affection for one another, especially in times of distress, was hardly ever touched on in the show. I still love the show and think it did a great job, but they did that bond a little dirty imo.

Yeah, Lyra is that sort of hyper-social girl who can make friend with everyone.Like she befriend almost everyone during her trip, including a grumpy bear, a mercenary aviator that would literally go in suicide mission later just for that girl he saw during two weeks, and all the different children of Oxford. Roger is a special friend for Lyra, but her only friend is very far from the truth....

I thought it was really weird how much time and effort they put into building up Lyra's relationship with Roger when really the one relationship we really needed to understand from Northern Lights is Lyra and Pan - which they didn't get right at all

@@krankarvolund7771 but it is weird, she is not really hyper social, she treats them all terrible, she should only have that one friend. her being beloved by everyone is the same creepy bs that her mother pulls of to have the kids follow her like the piper from hameln

I think it is just stronger for her not to be such extrovert and lose her only friend, while at the same time being such open hearted and altruistic person

I agree that they could have been bolder on characters arcs. After finishing S3 i think that a more cruel Asriel/Marisa duo with Lyra realizing their sacrifice to save her would have felt so much stronger. Even thought it was by far the most heartbreaking moment (even more than the botanic garden scene)

If I recall, they actually had a scene at some point that was taken from La Belle Sauvage, showing Asriel bringing Lyra to the college

Scholastic Sanctuary is mentioned in Northern Lights when Asriel is talking in private, when he asked about Lyra

@@Alodsin yep, show starts at the end of La Belle Sauvage, with Lord Asrile caring baby Lyra across a flooded Jordan Collage.

I had forgotten the B.o.D.... I wonder how much my appreciation for the show was boosted by my disappointment in the rough-draft quality of The Belle Sauvage (despite it containing some excellent worldbuilding that didn't seem to be efficiently put to use).

@@Soilfood365 I was really disappointed by the Secret Commonwealth, to the point that it made me lose pretty much all my interest in the series

Indeed, agreed. IMHO the less than stellar performances from her in season 1 is largely as a result of the script and the directors, both of which IMHO were largely a little substandard. When you've got really talented and experienced adult actors, they can work with bad directing because of their wealth of experience, and they can even make bad dialogue work. Child actors can't - not because they're bad actors, but just because they inherently have less experience on how these things "should" look. When you've got child actors involved, you need to make sure your scripts and direction are top notch to allow them to really shine where they're good at - acting, rather than expecting them to do as good a job as really experienced adults at fixing your shitty script and your directors who don't understand what they want from the actors. Season 2 was a big improvement on both of these fronts and I think it really shows through in the performances.

how's her english? apparently it was very minimal when she shot logan. but that was a long time ago

@@DeaconTaylor Perfect. Her dad is English and her mom is Spanish. She speaks both. I think she grew up in Spain, so it wouldn't be surprising if her Spanish is better, but no problem with her English now. Slight accent, but to my American ears, I'm hearing that on top of her British accent so its barely noticeable.

@@Muzer0 I agree, I remember at least once hearing a clunker of a line and instantly blaming the script because it wasn't set up

Personally, I think she was the best actress (including actors) on the show, even tho the whole cast was incredible

I agree. I'm one of the rare people who enjoyed the movie (had not read the books), but I think the movie did a better job showing the bond between the people and their daemons, especially Lyra and Pan).

One of the behind-the-scenes vids showed that on-set they had a fleet of puppeteers to perform the daemons, which would then be "dubbed" in CG. I found that the actors warmed to interating with their daemons better as S1 progressed, and then even more so in S2.

Yeah, it makes the dried fish hit less hard...

The second season has whole scenes with dæmons interacting with each other, so...

I think they really nailed that during Roger and Salcillia's death. You can see the fear in both of them. They both know what's coming and are terrified. Especially hearing Salcillia yell "Roger, I don't want to leave you!" show that they have a super close bond.

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Same, Amber Spyglass is just amazing, and I read it first time as an adult!

Make sure you read lyra's oxford novella

Ahem: "You simply must review the rest of the series, for it must needs be done, sir, and who but you could do it justice?"

It stood out because it was one of the things that in the movie made it feel, when it became clear who her parents were it made sense, while in the series, it doesn't quite work that well for me indeed.

Pretty sure she lies before the Bear fight, maybe not to Yorick, I can't remember, but that was my recollection.

In the novels she is often quite early portrayed as "Lyra the Liar" to the reader and also for characters describing her. I honestly didn't miss that part of Dafne Keen's performance, although her adaptation of Lyra was juuuust a little short, the fact the story followed so closely to Pullman's work on screen is still insane to me

Ditto. This was gorgeous and I do not understand perceptions that it was lacking in any way. You couldn't ask for a better cast or a more dedicated adaptation.

@@paramitch it is a really great adaptation and I love it (specially now that it is finished) but I agree with other people that they didn't get the human-daimon connection that well on screen. I would not hate the whole thing only for that, but I am sure other people would and that's why we never get proper adaptations with proper money to do everything perfect because fans are almost always too tough wiht the critics

I liked a lot of the characters in the show, and a few of them were even an improvement from the books, in my humble opinion (Lee Scoresby comes to mind). But yeah, I don't wholly disagree with you. Especially Lyra felt a bit more bland than she was before. I don't blame Dafne Keen for even a milisecond (she did a pretty great job with what she had). But Lyra was just a bit too passive and emotionally vulnerable in my eyes. She was very emotional in the books, sure, but not quite in the same way. The best word I have for all her big emotions of happiness, love, compassion, rage, sadness, and determination is "fierce", something I just didn't get from BBC-Lyra.

Yep, the characters are the most crucial part of any book. You can have a boring plot, if you have well-developped characters, it just works.

the casting was awful , so bad . only Mrs Coulter and Will were greatly cast . it's funny to watch the will actor next to dafne keen , poor girl can't act he had to carry the dialogue

I haven't watched the adaptation, but just seeing the clips in the review I was thinking that she looked too adult for the character. It's not just that the actress looks too old, but even things like her body language and facial expressions don't look childish enough.

Not to mention Aging her up makes logistic troubles from the later books. I haven't watched the adaptation so I am an not sure what they did to work around that change.

Wasn't that Mary Malone?

Portraying daemons as they were in the books would be extremely difficult for any adaptation, because our understanding of that comes from us experiencing it through Lyra's thoughts which is a difficult thing to do in a visual instead of literary medium.

@@markmittelbach7975 They could still have done more to show the strength of the connection between human & daemon. My least favourite scene in the entire show is when Mrs Coulter stops the people at Bolvanger from severing Lyra and Pan, because, in direct contrast to the book, where she goes straight to Pan and is too traumatised to register anyting else that's happening, in the show Lyra walks away from him towards Mrs Coulter. Also, they needed to establish the taboo against touching another person's daemon before that doctor picks Pan up when they're taking Lyra for the procedure, rather then in one off-handed line halfway through series 2. On the whole, I do like the show, but I really love the daemons, both as a concept and how they're portrayed in the books, so the extent to which the show fails to do them justice has been really disappointing.

I mean. The movies portrayed the connection really well. It's the one thing they did well.@@markmittelbach7975

Agreed. Not once did I remember that he was an actor and not Will himself

Absolutely agree, I think his character traits had been watered down a lot for the show though sadly. If Lyra is fierce and Will terrifies witches and they talk about how the look in his eyes terrifies him it's just not there for me sadly. I thought it was really odd how they began with him learning boxing instead of having a piano teacher and still not quite having that association with fighting and general "street smarts" that the book built up for him. I'd honestly really love some flashbacks to build up his character with his mum more, but it might feel like recovering ground of series 1 I think didn't go far enough

He's wonderful, but so are all the cast for me, honestly. I was very puzzled by Dom's reaction here.

Ruth Wilson's Coulter is FUCKING terrifying! Jesus christ, the amount of times that character has dragged me to the pits of anxiety and made my hairs stand on end. What an incredible villain! The HBO adaptation is maybe not perfect, but imo it is what it needs to be and I've been at the edge of my seat for the entire ride.

I had the exact opposite reaction to Wilson's Mrs Coulter. Her emotional outbursts made her a lot less terrifying and I barely took her seriously. For me, the scary thing about Mrs Coulter is her duplicity of being incredibly charming as well as cold and always in control (of herself and of the situation). And Nicole Kidman encapsulated that imo.

@@EleiyaUmei TV series added more to her struggle to surviving in a world ruled by men. To have the "fully in control" effect, it means the people in power around her would need to be a lot less forgiving of the fact that she is a woman, give her power, or adore her. I like how in the TV series it's made clear how her status is not on as stable ground as she would hope, and it makes it so satisfying when she gets the others to back off or show she has a reason to be where she is. That cruelling climb I think did not do anything good, for both of Lyra's parents honestly lol

@@EleiyaUmei I agree with this. And the whole "is she s*icidal?" bit really took all her mystery and terror away from her. (Not intended to sound insensitive towards people with such struggles. I just really did not enjoy the way Wilson's Coulter was written so flimsy even though I love Ruth Wilson as an actor)

I think the series Mrs Coulter is interesting in many ways, in particular in exploring the world. But I personally prefer Kidman's version, since she captured the charisma better.

I read an interview where Dafne Keen was asking to cuddle the ermine puppet Pan to show their close relationship but apparently somehow it wouldn’t work with having to apply the CGI to the puppet. She was very disappointed. There’s also a vocal fanbase on Reddit for more red panda Pan. I could mostly understand some of the characterisation changes because Lyra and Will are now thirteen and fifteen instead of eleven/twelve. But Sam Elliot will always be Scoresby to me.

@@hannahquinn7934 How could that be a problem for the series when the movie could make Lyra and Pan cuddle just fine? (Honest question because I can't fathom a reason^^') I know the series had less budget but CGI technology has improved over the last years and become cheaper if I'm correct.

@@EleiyaUmei I don’t know either. If there’s a TV adaptation of “Serpentine” and The Secret Commonwealth” Lyra and Pan’s strained relationship will be harder to make convincing. In the books Pan curls at Lyra’s neck to sleep but I don’t recall that being in the TV series (yet).

@@EleiyaUmei I thought that too, but it was either of the heads of Bad Wolf talking about how the budget needed them to cut daemons from children because they just couldn't afford it. If you look at the CGI reels from the show, they're obviously very high budget and they later admitted that before HBO was on board they didn't know how they'd be able to afford the whole show at all. I think less expensive models and more of them / using the budget for that closeness would have been better, but there are also time constraints. With a film you'd have a lot more time for post production needed for that. Actually having realistic hair movements on top of human interaction with the greenscreen puppet would be incredibly hard to do effectively anyway and I've seen in other behind the scenes that this is maybe one of the hardest things to pull off well. I'd actually like to go back to some of the films scenes and see when they have used that and if they have scenes they've held back on having direct contact. Seeing the reels the CGI team model from the skeleton to the muscles too, so maybe it's also easier having a mouse as it means less to model. At least terms of a living and breathing ermine vs a still puppet as they'd have more muscles and movements to add and gravity of a wiggly ermine

@@Char10tti3 Thank you for the explanation! It probably also made a difference that the movie was able to put in these scenes of closeness because of the length of the movie. To have the same effect as the movie, the series would have had to add more scenes which would have been more expensive and time-consuming. It's just extremely unfortunate and disappointing that there were only so few scenes of people's (espec. Lyra's) bond with their daemons because I personally loved the daemon concept the most about Lyra's world. Please let me know if/when you managed to analyze the movie's daemon scenes! (But don't feel obligated to analyze them.)

The Gummy Bears riff was pretty good, but my all time favorite so far is "Slag Ass Dragon" based on WAP.

@@michaelmiller3012 Slag Ass Dragon was pure genius

I really loved the Discworld (we didn't start the fire) cover

Your first sentence both encapsulates the observation, and is simultaneously a direct negative, of Eddie Izzard's "British Cinema" routine. It's really rather interesting when applied together. ---- "You can't eat popcorn to that. You just... but no."

I know I'm so not ready yet. I cried actual tears for book 3.

December!

As there almost infinitely better written,I felt rubbish for a few days after finishing Amber Spyglass so it may be harder to get through. Also I've sat on the bench in the Oxford Botanic Gardens. 😀

Is it the one where Phillip Pullman himself reads the narrator?

@@katsurakureha998 that's the one

@@jacobr501 It's great! I had it on CD as a kid and listend to it over and over

@@jacobr501 I love those audiobooks so much - getting a full voice cast was a brilliant choice (even if Will is noticeably recast between Subtle Knife and Amber Spyglass).

You say that like it's a bad thing - the trailer is part of the marketing these days. I was so hesitant about this adaptation after having been so hyped with the movie (I was fresh to the books then), but when they released the OP, I was 80% sold. Same deal with GoT - there were a lot of folks who saw that OP and said, "oh, I've gotta check this out".

the opening of game of thrones was a stroke of genius in that it displayed the sheer sense of scale that george r r martin set out to create. you see how isolated the wall is from the rest of westeros and you understand how lonely it is ... you witness the journey dany makes across the narrow sea ... and more! i personally don't consider the show complicated, but (especially if you're watching week by week and especially if a new plot thread is introduced) it is nice to have a reminder of the world at large. probably explains why everyone noticed the instant teleportation fast travel in the later seasons lol i wouldn't say that this style is "necessary" for every piece of dramatic television out there, but as someone who likes the style, i can't complain.

Also adding scenes of characters who never meet in the books

Oh, I was screaming during that scene. So emotionally raw and I have to admit, I love good looking dudes in distress

Somehow I'm more forgiving of those flaws because of the charisma Dafne Keen brings to the role.

Funnily enough, Lyra's reading the aletheiometer in a book was a gift so she was not learning much (at first) but jumped into a well of divination, so to speak.

An unpopular opinion we share. The movie's characters just felt more accurate than the show's.

Seems like it’s a problem of good characters =movie, good plot=show 🧐

I was feeling alone thinking I was the only one here who actually liked the movie version... I tried but I just couldn't connect with any of the characters in the series, especially Lee Scoresby, Serafina Pekkala and yes, Lyra herself.

Firstly, yeah, I sort of agree with most of what you are saying. Though to me still the series probably captures more of what I loved about the books so far, as I wrote above, the intensity that the main characters have, and definitely the parents, with their strong will, charm and drive was better caught in the movie - you can see how they got together and were lightning together, until thunder and a crash, all or nothing persons, including Lyra, who learns more empathy and care over the adventure as her world widens and understanding of others increased, reading her growing into a complete person at the end, which I am not sure the series so far is able to do convincing enough.

I watched the film before reading the books (or knowing of their existence) which is a huge plus (otherwise I would probably hate it.) So. You're not alone. I really like it and still watch it sometimes.

Here's hoping a certain someone comes back to cover the new version. Terrence: "Hello, mortals!"

Hopefully there will be no need for the "calm filter"

So did I.

I just finished book 3 and didn't pick up on that at all either

That surprised me too! I'm hoping it's just a minor script error and the Dom meant 'Marisa Coulter' there. Otherwise my brain must have also blanked that out in self defence and i'm glad that they toned it down in the series if it was a thing in the book D:

In the Suble Knife, the first time the two of them meet was intensely uncomfortable to read. It starts from Boreal's point of view, where his reaction to seeing Lyra in the museum is...suggestive. And when he goes up to talk with her, it very much feels predatory: he's being overly friendly and talkative, brushing her hand with his etc. When he tried to get her to come with him someplace else, I really got the impression that Mr. Pullman was trying to convey that young girls reading this should watch out for strange men like this. Making him explicitly evil and conniving is another tip-off to that. It's a pretty good and subtle detail in that book.

@@sindrevangenrobberstad2889 Thank you for clarifying that, I definitely didn't pick up on it, and that makes me feel pretty gross.

I haven't read that yet, but the bit about the extra details about Lee Scoresby and Iorek Byrnison sounded like it might have borrowed from _Once Upon a Time in the North_ . I've only read that once so it's not as ingrained in my brain as the original trilogy... Edit: just looked at my library listings - I've read book one of _The Book of Dust_ , _La Belle Sauvage_ but not _The Secret Commonwealth_ yet. Just checked it out! Next, _The Serpentine_ because I've somehow missed that one.

There were definitely a few more expected characterizations in the movie, but I have to admit I'm fairly impressed by the show, though that will depend on how s3 goes

bella blue definitely, I’m very intrigued to see how they fare with the mulefa!

Some shows have been doing that, like Squid Game, which has more varied episode length (which I thought worked well). But it could be used more I agree. If you manage to get every episode the same length, fine, that’s not necessarily bad in itself, but creators could be more free with that as a form of expression with streaming.

HDM isn't just for streaming, though - it airs on the BBC here in the UK.

The title sequence is so good, they could have made that alone and I'd have been satisfied.

I find Dafne as Lyra and Amir as Will very compelling, too. I want to see Will meet Kirjava at the end and Pan and Kirjava’s journey through the worlds. And Mary seeing her dæmon. I imagine that a really good epilogue would address whether Kirjava is visible in Will’s world when he goes back and how they cope with that, and show the people of his/our world having “invisibly visible” dæmons.

I totally agree!

I second this statement. I listened to the series as audio books while I was at work....got to the end of the series and I was full out sobbing at my desk.

The end of the movie was absolutely baffling.

Yeah I can't imagine if we had gotten a sequel, they would have needed to start with THAT scene. That kind of turn you have in the middle of a story, or at the end, gosh.

@@Haikaraa Yeah imagine starting your PG-13 film with the murder of a child

also twilight and 50 shades of grey lol so this would be a treat for Dominic

Could well be Pullman's suggestion then. Seems like a good tweak. The adaptation has more scope since it isn't obliged to restrict itself to Lyra's pov.

I need to finish season 2

I actually find series 2 better paced than the Sublte Knife book - re-read it after series 1 came out, and it felt like things were happening a little too fast.

@@maldon3659 Please do, but be ready for tears.

WoT is something we'll definitely never see a LIA for. 😅

@@whatername528 It would be fun watching him try though :)

I get the impression that the creators of this show loved Lyra so much, they didn't want to portray her in any way that could be perceived as her having a negative character trait. Notice how her penchant for dishonesty is severely underplayed in this (I don't think it was mentioned at all in the first episode), which is quite a step down from how well it was established in the movie. As bad as the movie may be, the scene in question was amazing for how it established 1) Lyra's friendly rivalry with the Gyptian kids, 2) her talent for lying, and that 3) humans cannot touch each other's dæmons - all in like 30 seconds screen time without the need for narration. I'd have to re-watch Season 2 to find out what parts I think didn't work, but I found her less interesting in that too. Maybe it speaks volumes that I can't remember the specifics. Bit one thing I recall - which I really think was missing in the adaptation - was the feeling of bewilderment she gets when she comes to our world for the first time and realising as a reader how strange it must look to her. Another thing I think says a lot about how Lyra is portrayed in this series is the way Dafne or any other actors talk about the character in interviews. It's mainly just to describe her as this perfect little heroine, never seeming to acknowledge that Lyra has realistically human foibles.

It also mixes in elements of Calvinism. It's based in Geneva and the sequels reveal it was actually founded by Calvin.

I just wish someone had the balls to finally kill God on the screen. That's the whole point of the trilogy. NO! IT ISN'T! AT ALL! I always hate when people say that. Reread the books again, you missed a lot (including the main point) but for short, -----------------------------*SPOILER*-------------------------- GOD DOSN'T GET KILLED!!! You could argue he dies of old age, but mostly he NEVER EXISTED IN THE FIRST PLACE! The first being (or one of the first beings) that existed in all the universes CLAIMED to be god and that he/she/it created all others. But he/she/it didn't, wasn't all powerfull and not immortal by any span of the imagination. They lied about it and then got used by another powerhungry being of the same species as a figurehead for world domination. Against his/her/its will!!! And that was all a rather small, unimportant thing (in the grand scheme of everything) for our main characters.

@@AkiyukiKitten that is absolutely true, but that's not how the Christian fundamentalists are going to see it. (SPOILERS BELOW) The fundamentalists are going to see a figure, identified as God by (some) characters in the story, depicted as an impotent, deceitful tyrant who meets a pathetic end. And then there's Metatron, the other God pretender, who does actually get killed. So yeah, "God" dies in this series, twice, once by violence. Christian fundamentalists have gotten mad at shows for much, much less... but I should hope that now, especially after the success of Good Omens, producers have learned not to fear such reactions.

My brain has erased that as well as the scene you're talking about ^^' Could you tell me what it is?

@@EleiyaUmei Lemme put a mild spoiler alert just to be safe ---- It was that scene where Will meets a priest (I think it was a priest??) right before meeting Iorek near the beginning of the book. The dude was super creepy and I think he even offered Will alcohol at one point. It's been years since I read it, so honestly I mostly remember just how icky it made me feel.

@@cami12172 Thanks! Okay, I just looked it up in my copy of the book. It certainly is creepy! Otjez Semjon is his name. He talks much and touches Will's hands and strokes his knees, allegedly to feel if he's cold. He also warns him of the witches, saying that they will take his seed and drain him once he's of age. And yes, he tells Will to drink vodka (which he does). Then he gets close to Will, grabs his shoulders, mutters sth religious and kisses him on the cheeks. This priest's behavior surely is a reference to the CA in the Catholic Church...

Yeah I didn't pick that up with Lord Boreal, but with I can sorta see where Dom's coming from with the "come into my car little girl" stuff. Yikes. I do remember Will's encounter with the priest- even as a 10 year old reading that it felt so... wrong. When I reread it as a teenager or adult I immediately got the implications... as well as being a dig at the catholic Church, I think there's something about how pullman doesn't pull punches in just how awful the world can be to children, told from the perspective of those children that is unlike any other writer. It's always horrifying.

Personally, I agree the whole scene is uncomfortable, but I saw it less as commentary on CA in Catholic Church, and more that even the Orthodox Church is full of religious sexually repressing whackos, due to Otezs term (Russian for Father) and whole witches stealing seed from men. Pullman loves potraying everyone religious as some type of creepy. Seriously, the only normal sort of religious person you get in the series is that science lady, and even she ends up being an atheist because she fell in love with a man. Yeah... I disagree with Dom's stance that the books are simply a criticism on organized religion. The author clearly thinks that the only good religious people are the former ones. Speaking as an atheist myself here, btw. Also, it is another reinforcement of negative Russian stereotypes. An adult priest giving vodka to a child, really? Also kissing on both cheeks is a common tradition in Russia when greeting and saying goodbye, so that one thing shouldn't come across as creepy, and yet here we are.

Agree on all points. Bear fight was so underwhelming in this. Bad choreography and camerawork and you didn’t even see the end of it properly.