Agreed

Also his boyfrie- I mean friend Shay Patrick Cormac...

Lady Bloodfang Thank god I wasn't the only one thinking that.

The Russian Potato I hate Rogue. I think its because his voice makes my ears bleed. Actually its partially his voice, its mostly his cringy fake Irish accent which he dethrowned Altair (Revelations) fake accent.

“I make my own look.”

Eztio,Edward,Conner and Desmond are related so when Desmond died that blood line died with Desmond

But his father is still alive, isn't he? Or did I miss something?

@@jasonbond5213 nah Edward was stabbed to death by 2 templar mercenaries when Haytham was a kid. That's why he isn't an Assassin

@@deshdhingra7241 I know 😂. Back when I wrote this comment I didn't know that much about AC lore. Now I have played the first seven games, each for at least two times, and I just finished reading Assassins Creed Forsaken.

@@alexdoyle596 so did the game

It makes you love Edward Kenway even more, in my opinion

I believe deep down, haytham has a good heart

@@jackmclarnon9628he did. He was manipulated into the order by the templars as a boy after his fathers death when they were the ones who actually killed edward

Yet even After Discovery that everything he was told to him was a lie he Stick to the templar ideology

@@michaeljohn6357it’s so sad man. He was a broken hero who just wanted to fix the world like his father did

grandeja me too. That is what assassins creed rogue should have been.

Stealth 101010 ikr I agree

There is the book.

100% Agree👌🏻

Unfortunately the animus makes it impossible for someone to relive the memories of their ancestor once that said ancestor had once surviving children

DeathCherudim Definitely

DeathCherudim a movie would be good. Probably based on the Forsaken book.

Yes. And it should be named after the book. AC forsaken.

@A.C Videos studios no

100% Agree. Haytham is the best, Haytham no.1 👌🏻

He was such a good man deep down and yet was misunderstood so much. Dude literally could’ve fixed the world but his misguided self righteous son just had to kill him. The last smart and good Templar that could restore balance to the colonies. What a shame he died

I'm pretty sure id be a Templar. Freedom is not peace, control (within reason of course) is.

Not really, I mean look at the countries with dictatorships and those with freedom as their foundation, who has achieved more? you see freedom inspires greatness in humans.

Connor Kenway there is no such thing as freedom. We are all being controlled by our governments, being told what and what not to do (steal, kill, though valid etc) what to think (racism, gay rights) and how to live (get a job, go to school and so on). If people were truly free we'd have murderers and crooks everywhere. It'd be like the wild west all over again.

Not in U.S, if you think U.S doesn't have freedom, you should see other countries.

The us is almost exactly the same as other countries other than mainly Korea and China. Freedom is a myth, you Connor. Take heed of your father's words XD ( no seriously though, freedom doesn't exist).

I agree with you

Then why did he say "I should have killed you long ago" when he was about to die?

@@mrgreen027 it's difficult to explain. He was probably convinced Connor hated him from the bottom of his heart, thing that, in fact, wasn't true. Connor was so indoctrinated by Achilles hate for Haytham that he barely thinks for himself. Connor after really regrets killing Haytham, admitting that he was right and he was actually sorry. In all of this, it was Achilles fault for not letting Connor having any opinion on everything that was going on, if it wasn't for Achilles, they would've probably made a good team, maybe even bring the assassins and the templars together. Sorry for any mistakes, English isn't my first language.

I think it has more to do with Haytham meaning he should have killed Connor before he grew attached to him.

@@Alex-ir2rv Haythem tried to manipulate Connorat any Time he would do everything to get to his Goals Connor way his good Teammate as long as he would do like he wishes surely somewhere he loved his Son but on the other side he still used him like a tool Connor would have the choice to enter the Templars or die Quite sad tbh but this 2 Kenways can't live together their believe of Piece and it should be hold is too far away feom eachother

Fennix And just imagine how all of it wouldve never happened if Edward never got killed by those mercenaries. He wouldve trained Haythem into the Assassin Order, possibly Connor's existence would never happen because Haythem might of stayed in England with Edward.

Really wish they would offer it some closure though.

you have your view I have mine for me its Ezio Auditore , man lost everything father brothers love but still kept going and became a legend for me

Did you rou read Forsaken? Do it. I just love this man. it was great to read how he really was. What he really feels.

ya i always liked hayham more than connor

+Arvind srivatsav ...theory Haythans boyfriend was Shay... SHHHHH

***** XDDDD I ship them wuhuuuu

Haytham was a better character than Connor in my opinion. Unlike con man he wasn’t misguided and manipulated as easily and actually saw the world for what it really was. A joke of a place that needed to be restored with peace. Haytham was the one piece to restore the order and of course he died before he could

Dragonball101 good to know someone else knows this

but atleast its mentioned in forsaken and its pure canon and part of the story.

In was mentioned when they first meet up to work together Haytham tells him that he's the one that saved him

Bro we see Connor's perspective in the game

@@ssw7323yes but we don’t see the arrow or the knife

I'm just curious on your perspective, but what do you think Connor has to do or change in order for him to become better in your eyes? Just looking for more point of views.

Hannah Wu Connor is better these people don't see that Haytham was a monster for letting his wife AKA Connor's mother die and Haytham stood by and let the Templars do as they please and cause chaos.

Megaproductions302 Haytham didn't let his wife die, George Washington was responsible for the attack on Kanatahséton. It's all in the game. He didn't even learn about Kaniehtí:io's death until Lee tells him. Yes, he's stuck in his Templar ways, but that's because he was manipulated since his childhood. But he does have good intentions, like many of the Templars, just following a wrong way.

false information

Megaproductions302 actually its all truth, play the game and read the book

Chris Atlas Jimenez And mine

***** your wrath is unneeded

+Apo Eren Rock jesus christ calm down i dont think he thinks he is real he has a valid point out of all templars he was the coolest

Requescat in pace

@@florianseaman6289he was a real man who had real love and real emotions. The only reason he let Connor kill him is because he’s only human and couldn’t kill his son since he reminded him of Ziio. His emotions got in the way and he knew that Connor would eventually kill one way or another anyway

It's hard to say

if you read book, u know he saved his life i think? from gallows

Reizo Hanazawa i know lol

Given Haytham's great combat expertise, it's clear that before the very moment he was killed by Connor, he was trying to make a point to him, possibly to leave behind the true nature of the Templars in Connor's mind before passing away. There's no way Haytham wasn't aware of such a blatant opening, seeing as he was well aware of hidden blades and held down Connor's neck to delay killing him. It was clear in Forsaken that Haytham wasn't planning on walking out of his fight with Connor alive, and he took that chance to explain everything to Connor about why the Templars believe so strongly about their cause.

Kettz I think Haytham intended for Connor to kill him, Haytham has superior assassin training if you have read 'Forsaken', A book about Haytham's childhood and about how he became a templar when raised by an assassin.

Perfect Cell lonewolf *Haytham (not Haythem)

Perfect Cell lonewolf it's a fucking game why u trying to act like someone acc died u weirdo

@@sherhanbaluch9525 Why do people cry about movie deaths then, hmmm?

Nope, when the Assassin's professed the goal of peace (Ie. 3rd Crusade and the ACTUAL Hashasin) they were the `good guys`. Only when they turned from Peace to Freedom.

TheSealock HIGH FIVE! I agree, I finally understood the Templar side of the story, and I also agree that Haytham shouldn't have died, but, I value Connor's impression of him at the end of the book when he finally confessed that killing his father was a mistake.. I'll just keep to the fanfiction stories (Y)

Haytham did not deserve to die indeed, but let's not forget how the Templers, at least in previous AC games tried to achive their goals. I agree with some of the Templar views, but I agree more with the Assassins about how to achive the goals.

Indeed, perhaps their way of achieving their goals were more cruel and uncivilized, yet, what they striven to achieve for makes me more loyal to their views rather than the assassins. In a nutshell, i dislike the Templar way, but agree with their views, and i dislike the Assassin views, but agree with their way of achieving

The Templars from AC2 and Brotherhood were just corrupt, power hungry nobleman. Most of the Templars who were killed by Altair were sincere, although many of them were still cruel. The Templars are the evidence that power corrupts. They consider humans to weak to govern themselves, but they seem to forget that they themselves are also just humans with the same weaknesses as everybody. Young Haytham was a true gentleman with strong convictions, but look how cruel he later became. Killing people unnecessarily and even telling his own son that he should have killed him earlier.

May the god of understanding guide us and to you also... Master Kenway.

Jacksepticeye's Hero, Father actually. :)

Pff, Edward was just a dog. Haytham was a real man.

you are fucking everywhere you loser

TheMegaUzumaki Damn you must really dislike Haytham... since I see you everywhere hating on him. Why must your time on a well written fictional character trying to bring him down in every way? It's pretty pathetic I say...

I respect your opinion, however, I recommend checking out Connor's forsaken epilogue. Who knows, it may sway your opinion of him.

Well haythan is better than edward in things like fighting style but connor he was a war man like ezio lel

Adrian Gherghe, Not necessarily lies about Assassins. Haytham was manipulated into the Templar Order - that's true, but when he found out his father was an Assassin, Haytham CHOSE to stay, because he simply believed in the Templar cause more. And thus the greatest Templar has been born.

@@bobbyboom9 a shame that he was pretty much the only good Templar. If there were more like him, then the Assassins probably wouldn't have to be at war with them.

Kyle Gmerek, There were many great and true Templars. Haytham is just the best among them.

@@bobbyboom9 okay, name them.

So true! For AC4 I hoped that ubisoft would drop the present-time and just focus on the past, where the story is much more interesting :D

The Templars are evil and kill innocents. In Ezio's time they intended to enslave humanity with the apple, In AC4 they hoped to find the mysterious observatory to spy on the whole world and use knowledge as power, in AC3 they wanted to spread chaos and rise as kings. And as for the modern world... they wanted the world to end. The Templars are always wrong... Haytham is an exception

Megaproductions302 In Ezio's time they wanted to find the Apple so they could open the vault and fulfill the prophesy that both the Assassins and Templars believed in. In AC 3 Conner wanted to help create a new nation that would act out his dream of a government based on the will of the common man, where as the Templars wanted to help create a new nation that would realize their dream of a government based on Law, order and security. In AC4 both factions wanted the observatory so they could find hidden truths and dispel lies. The difference is that the Templars would use this knowledge to preserve order, while the Assassins would use it to teach and enlighten the people. It all goes back to the difference of philosophies that I mentioned earlier. The Templars believe that men are inherently selfish and self destructive. They don't believe men are capable of governing themselves freely, so they are more concerned with maintaining law, order and security over free will. The Assassins believe that while men can be selfish, they have the potential to overcome their selfishness and make the correct choices if they are given knowledge and an opportunity to do so. This is where the conflict between the Assassins and the Templars stems from. Of course there are evil Templars who pervert the original message of the order for their own personal gain, but the same could be said for some Assassins. Just look at Abbas from AC Revelations. He disobeyed the Creed and killed countless innocents just to spite Altair. I don't agree with the Templars but they do make good points. People can be selfish, they can be violent and many of them think more of themselves then they do the good of their fellow man. This is why I can't say that their philosophy is completely wrong. I ultimately side with the Assassins more since they offer much greater hope for the future of the world, but the Templars make good points about the current state of the world.

I agree. but I will admit that I am actually drawn more to the belief of the Templars than the Assassins. if I was in the middle of this, I'd definitely side with the Templars. If you follow the series really REALLY carefully, you might notice that the Assassin's have no proper counter-logic against the Templars, whereas the latter actually has valid points against the Assassins. It all comes down to which side can have the strongest contribution to the betterment of humanity. Throughout the whole series, Haytham was the best Templar because he was the perfect Templar Master as he was actually devoted to the progress of the world. Prince Ahmet from Revelations was also a somewhat good Templar Master. Other Templars in the series were sucky, e.g. Rodrigo and Cesare Borgia were only interested in power for themselves, nothing else. (I AM THE PROPHET!!! I AM THE PROPHET!!!)

Fatihun Siddiqui I see your point but I would argue that the Assassins don't present a counter argument because they don't believe it is necessary. Their philosophy is centered around faith in humanity and not logic. The Assassins fight because they have genuine faith that humanity can find the right path on their own. The problem I have with Templars is that when you think about it, their philosophy is kind of hypocritical at its core. The Templars believe that people can't be trusted with freedom or power and that those with power will inevitably abuse it. This is why they want to create a world of order where everyone is told what to do and everyone is equal in the sense that they all lack power over themselves and over others. They will simply be told how to live their lives from the day they are born to the day they die. The idea that humans will abuse power and therefore should not be trusted with it makes sense, but the fatal flaw is that in order for the world of order to come about, someone will have to take control to make sure it happens and that someone will most definitely be a Templar. The Templars claim that no human can be trusted with too much power and yet they expect us to let them have it? The Templars are still human and therefore are just as untrustworthy as any other human being. According to their philosophy, they shouldn't be given power either. This and the fact that the Assassins present more hope for the future are why I ultimately don't support the Templars.

Templars

He deserve his own game

I know you :D Hey father why did you kill that man...

He wasn't trying to he even saved Connor from being hanged

CosmicNava and both Juno, and his dad Haytham manipulated him.

thank you

Haytham represented the TRUE Templars. In Truth the Templars are `good guys` they seek peace and understand that such a goal cannot come through Freedom but order, purpose and direction. Which in my opinion is correct, as I find total freedom (the kind that the Assassin's fight for) an `invitation for anarchy. The Assassin's during the 3rd crusade are the best. Their words are by "Peace in all things" no this talk of freedom but peace. Which is what Haytham also believes. It's the whole deal with 2 sides of the same coin.

Ky Trickett I think this is the result of a prolonged war. Ideologies can transform, the motives shift, or the interpreters become too idealistic or self-righteous. The next entry broke the pattern.

Ky Trickett I guess its the balance between the two. When one of the two becomes dominant the other side rises and cuts it down again. Its like a conversation/debate the two sides are having throughout the ages.

***** I find that both the true Templar and Assassin ideologies are flawed. There's certainly a grey area between control and anarchy, due to the inconsistency of human behavior. To achieve true peace, I believe that moderation is the key. The two sides constantly warring with each other does do a good job at simulating the in between though, holding each other at bay so that one side is readily available to pull down the other if one power becomes too big.

Of course! In my eyes, petty criminal acts play a gear in society. It's simple to say that the absence of any real crime would be catastrophic, and that it's actually the cops' job to keep them in check without wiping out criminals and crime entirely. Moderation of chaos and order is key.

We should get Adrian hough to do it on a video. andy serkis read lord of the rings and did his gollum voice

That's kinda young 60 would be an old age to die..

Buy Assassin's Creed Forsaken. Brilliant book.

You can read, but there's nothing more about her. They parted - Haytham traveled to America and she left to London on Queen Anne's Square and lived there. They mailed each other - but it was nothing for them to discuss. And Haytham said "Nothing is what we discussed"

I know this is late, but who is the author of AC forsaken?

Never too late;) Oliver Bowden

Templars sold her in to sexual slavery

Rats and weasels often lie. Because they are empty and cowardly.

Edward may have been a pirate clouded by greed, but he eventually corrected his mistakes once almost everyone he knew died. Stede Bonnett, Edward Teach, Mary Read, and the others he was close to have died due to the rising in his pirate actions. Ah-Tabai gave Edward a second chance and he was quick to jump on it in a serious manner. In the end, he redeemed himself.

Hey distant cousin! 😀

Because you got the whole thing twisted way beyond repair.

James Carter Oh really, you don't know shit about what I believe and judge me for my name tag and because I say that Haytham was right.

martingeld​ Now, with that comment you made yourself appear even more stupid than you already were.

I understand too. Haythem is a sympathizer character and would relate to a lot of people in real life.

It was deleted from the game files but listen to Connor last words to his father he basically explains himself and puts forth what he believes

Lol No, He truly believed in the templar order and wouldve never betrayed them. When he learned his father was killed by a templar, he didnt change sides, for Haytham, the templar order is right, this world needs order, freedom is an invitation to chaos.

Ozone4879 well of course he did, it was already engraved in him since he was a kid, but his beliefs were always in doubt when he found out that the man who taught him everything about the Templars was also the same man who killed his father and thus tried to unite the Templars and Assassin's when he became Grand Master

pelu101 Well he actually tried to convince Connor to join him

Ozone4879 of course he did, Connor's his son, but like Haytham was when he tried to avenge his father, Connor only cared about avenging his mother and to each his own was an obstacle and were willing to kill each other to achieve their goals.

pelu101 you have a couple of points wrong

Hyatham wasn't born until the very END of black flag. And even then he was only 8 wdf are you supposed to do as him?

I think they said there has been planning

Megaproductions302 | No, Washington and his armies were the ones who burned down Connor's village because of the Iroquois' resistance against the Americans and their support for the British. It is true that Haytham had nothing to do with it, but he also refrained from telling Connor this truth until it would benefit him. (A.K.A. Turn Connor against Washington and realize what he's doing)

phantomlight Which is the reason why Connor said "How long did you sit on this information or am I meant to believe you only discovered it now"

Yes, the one thing that makes Haytham different from many other Templars is that he truly believes in true Templar ideology. He remains uncorrupted, is selfless, and truly wishes for peace. It's only because of his experiences with human behavior and his exposure to the primitive, deceptive side of humanity that he remains convinced that the human heart cannot be trusted to take care of itself, and that a firm hand and sword is required to achieve peace.

I also feel the other uncorrupted templar was John Pitcrain.

thats an interesting point. But alot of people during that time wanted him dead. Washington himself owned slaves and supposenly was the one who burned Connors village. So in all honesty, Washington was not no angel but he wasnt completely bad either compared to another corrupted people. He however was a pretty good leader but some people thought and he wouldn't be.

true but with all do respect the dlc was a what if scenario. It wasn't actual history. The point you made about Haytham though was good but I think even Haytham wasn't all that good neither. I mean only god knows if he really knew that his comrades hurt connor as a kid.

@TheMegaUzumaki agreed. He still would have sought vengeance for the death of Ziio and the burning of the village but he may not have necessarily needed to become an assassin to achieve that.

I agree with you completely

it's explained in the book that Haytham recognizes the necklace connor wears as once belonging to his mother, and it portrays his reaction to the news.

TheBrokenMadMan Even if that's the case such a big moment should have been portrayed in the game. The characters in the game talked as though they had met two to three times before we actually saw them interact. It made the story feel really disjointed and unfinished.

Love the video

***** but I never knew birch ordered the attack on my father until she told me so upon her telling I went to birches office to the calamity

***** not quite if I did I would have killed son from the start of his teenage years

***** no it was the truth gorge washantion played a part in burning the village and Charles lee killed my wife and I didn't give him those orders

***** he's dead so his influence matters not

With the society that we live in, it seems Haytham was honestly right. We humans pervert our freedoms, and not do morally good actions. When you see true evil that man can cause, you'd want God to strip away our free will.

He probably saw his own father in connor, more than in himself. I think he truly regretted joining the templars after seeing his son in the robes

*just two opposite sides of the spectrum.

Rogue * We need balance. Just like in real life. In WESTERN Contries people abused their freewill (feminist, antifa ) basically attacks everyone who disagree with them. While dictatorship abused total control (North Korea, China (not as bad today))

He was just acting tough, he let Connor kill him and also he saved him from the execution. It was tough love but love none the less

The knife that was thrown at the rope, I believe it was Haythem

in the book the assassins help connor to escape, however it's the knife that haytham throw that cut the rope

In the book tituled Forsaken the story of Haytham is revealed and in the part of the execution of Connor it's told that Haytham actually help the assassins to save Connor

And then he said to himself tht himself was a traitor after saving Connor and getting thomas killed

A little in unity also..

Ubisoft would most likely not make a game about Haytham considering there's an entire book about him

Your're right about that. but it would be cool, wouldn't it

meijers98 yes it would be sick