Historical Perspective on Blade Grabs - Showcasing HEMA

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Blood and Iron HEMA

Blood and Iron HEMA

8 жыл бұрын

While there are many KZfaq videos that show it is possible to grab a sharp sword, in this episode hosts Sean Franklin and Nicole Smith go over blade grabs from more of a historical perspective: where, when, and how they are applied.
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@Theiscariotsin
@Theiscariotsin 3 жыл бұрын
I love how you guys are so awkward yet very intelligent, it adds to your charm
@MrSilvUr
@MrSilvUr 5 жыл бұрын
Fighting in armor is when your blade really comes in... Handy.
@mavredium7044
@mavredium7044 4 жыл бұрын
nice one
@MrSilvUr
@MrSilvUr 4 жыл бұрын
@@mavredium7044 Thanks!
@lenny_1369
@lenny_1369 4 жыл бұрын
True
@JustGrowingUp84
@JustGrowingUp84 8 жыл бұрын
Funny disclaimers, and I liked the bit at the end. Also, in all these video demonstrations I've been consistently impressed with how well the instructors handle themselves.
@mattmanbrownbro
@mattmanbrownbro 8 жыл бұрын
I was wondering what the large gap at the end of the video was for.
@JM-tp8if
@JM-tp8if 8 жыл бұрын
Yeah me too. Totally worth it.
@lorenzocube214
@lorenzocube214 6 жыл бұрын
Bad thins happen
@caseydubois3645
@caseydubois3645 3 жыл бұрын
I know it's fake, but.... Ow!
@DougsDiggers
@DougsDiggers 8 жыл бұрын
"Oh shit oh shit he got ketchup everywhere, i ain't cleanin' that shit up!"
@RKcousins625
@RKcousins625 8 жыл бұрын
I have to say, I can see a gradual improvement happening every video in the conciseness and quality of your presentation. Good job!!
@tightlikeweed9735
@tightlikeweed9735 7 жыл бұрын
but, they still talk like robots
@Purohueso555
@Purohueso555 6 жыл бұрын
Like very correct robots.
@iamscoutstfu
@iamscoutstfu 5 жыл бұрын
3:30, hooking the blade with the cross. I never see ANYONE do that (at my club)and it’s such a great and (usually) comes unexpected. Would you guys ever consider talking about using the cross to hook, trap, and lever your opponents blade? Amazing video as always.
@jeremiahcastro9700
@jeremiahcastro9700 3 жыл бұрын
You guys have both nice definition on your arms...shows that you two practice regularly. Nice demonstrations and explanations. It's great to see a rising interest in real sword fighting.
@fisadev
@fisadev 8 жыл бұрын
I tried at home that last technique shown at 6:20. Didn't get any ketchup, only blood. Will not recommend (?)
@SomeGuyNamedRoy
@SomeGuyNamedRoy 7 жыл бұрын
I second the motion to replace all ketchup with human blood. All in favor say "Aye"?
@estroll5034
@estroll5034 6 жыл бұрын
Tasty but not healthy. If you experience unspeakable whispers and nightmares after ingesting human blood, you should stop at once.
@hschan5976
@hschan5976 6 жыл бұрын
Estroll Unless you're a vampire
@thewoodworkingmetalhead2712
@thewoodworkingmetalhead2712 7 жыл бұрын
i watched the secret end!!!!!!!
@PandemicalShade
@PandemicalShade 8 жыл бұрын
great video! much appreciated!
@hedgetwentyfour2708
@hedgetwentyfour2708 8 жыл бұрын
Nice ketchup
@unaltro8165
@unaltro8165 6 жыл бұрын
Hedge Twentyfour No KETCHUP!
@unaltro8165
@unaltro8165 6 жыл бұрын
Hedge Twentyfour JUST SAUCE
@unaltro8165
@unaltro8165 6 жыл бұрын
Hedge Twentyfour RAW SAUCE
@bpa5721
@bpa5721 8 жыл бұрын
Very effective against an Estoc I guess.
@arijverhey7366
@arijverhey7366 8 жыл бұрын
Nothing is effective against the mighty Bestoc!
@algi1
@algi1 8 жыл бұрын
Instructions not clear. Need more bandages.
@coastalsandwich
@coastalsandwich Ай бұрын
Very good video that's put aside some of my doubts. I still feel that the majority of blade grabs in sparring aren't valid and would likely slice someones hand open, but you can't really prove that when you're both using blunt swords.
@JohnSmith-zf1lq
@JohnSmith-zf1lq 4 жыл бұрын
That disarm at 2:47 was so cool
@mikhailvasiliev6275
@mikhailvasiliev6275 6 жыл бұрын
One thing I've always wondered about using your off-hand to check an opponent's rapier thrust. Isn't the edge still running across the hand/arm?
@TheOGAstralRaven
@TheOGAstralRaven 4 жыл бұрын
If you are wearing long sleeves is should be fine
@caseydubois3645
@caseydubois3645 3 жыл бұрын
It depends. Rapiers, being very thrust oriented weapons, often only had the upper 1/3 sharpened, or sometimes they weren't even sharpened at all. So it doesn't pose nearly as much risk to injury as if one were to use the same technique against a longsword. Plus, it's better to have a cut in your hand and your opponent dead than to have an uninjured hand and be dead.
@hellwroughtangel
@hellwroughtangel 8 жыл бұрын
So cool :D
@DarkNaifu
@DarkNaifu 5 жыл бұрын
I think this video just gave me butterflies. Its like I'm in high school all over again.
@klonk3331
@klonk3331 8 жыл бұрын
Super Video! Respect, keep going! Now, what interests me since several years are different fighting techniques with weapons other than swords. Maces and Warhammers in particular, though Greatsword would interest me quite a bit aswell. I dont know if Blood and Iron even works with weapons such as Maces since I've never seen one, but maybe you guys know something about these things and you may be willing to show this :) I'd love it
@HEMASimian
@HEMASimian 8 жыл бұрын
We may expand on this more in the future, but there are very few sources for Maces or warhammers. They require much less skill to use (No edge alignment issues, less thrusts, etc), and if you can use a sword you can use either fairly easily.
@MaidenheartProductions
@MaidenheartProductions 8 жыл бұрын
The ending made my day xD
@xllab1
@xllab1 7 жыл бұрын
I always wonder : why don't you see blade grabbing in kenjutsu ? I am talking about koryu, authentic japanese martial arts used in the battlefield. As far as I know (by watching the demonstrations), there aren't that much of blade grabs, except maybe grabbing the back of the blade while pressing the edge against your own blade.
@adenyang4398
@adenyang4398 7 жыл бұрын
1) Extensive use of off-hand or secondary hand in swordsmanship. 2) Different sword designs that don't really allow much secure blade grabbing, and certain features of East Asian swords that allow them to have very strong draw-cutting capacity. 3) Different approach towards combat, such as - different methods of binding - swordsmanship philosophies that stress reach, hand protection, and thrusting seen in certain Longsword or Rapier systems did not develop in East Asia. East Asian swordsmanship styles more or less tend to be balanced cut-and-thrust styles, or cut-and-thrust systems that slightly favor cutting/striking. In East Asian swordsmanship (not only Kenjutsu, but also Chinese/Korean Daofa and Jianfa), they approach close quarter combat with swords differently compared to how Medieval and Renaissance HEMA do. They use binding & winding, but it is primarily done with the tip and the middle part of the blade, rather than letting the opponent's sword slide to the forte too often. The way how East Asian swordsmanship tend to bind is a bit strange from the HEMA perspective, as the tip (foible) is often depicted in HEMA as the "weak" of the blade, and thereby not the most efficient tactic. However, this involves how different cultures designed their swords, with different blade geometry/blade construction methods and different degrees of springiness in the blades. It is a rough analogy, but East Asian swordsmanship styles simply don't bind the way how certain Longsword systems do. (which is often much "tighter, closer and slower" by comparison). But of course, all of this depends on the sword profile and the different approaches different schools take on combat. Some Longswords may be stiffer than others. The off-hand or the secondary hand is also constantly involved in combat in East Asian swordsmanship, always supporting the off-hand or constantly moving about in conjunction with the body. This is done in order to assist in a block/strike or grab/trap the opponent's weapon (or prevent the opponent from doing so). In essence, the weapon becomes more of an "extra limb" so to speak than a tool, and becomes much more "connected" to the user while sacrificing a degree of reach and hand protection (which many Longsword systems tend to prioritize). Under these circumstances, accompanied by how East Asian martial lineages encourage to use the same principles and movements from unarmed martial arts in swordsmanship - reliably grabbing the enemy's blade in the middle of combat becomes a much more dangerous task, if not an inefficient one. Not to mention extended guard positions being pretty uncommon in East Asian swordsmanship, which makes blade grabbing even more difficult. The different blade construction designs can also affect the overall cutting ability of swords, aside from how they bind. This may be surprising, but by nature medieval European swords technically tend to be "sharper" than Katanas, as they tend to possess blades that are broader and less thicker, and have more distal taper. The thing about cutting ability though is that they aren't solely determined by superficial appearances; overall blade construction matters as well. For instance, a lot of the East Asian swords (Dao/Katana & Jian) don't have secondary bevels, so they can often produce not only effective cuts, but also extremely fearful draw-cuts. With most weapons, even when highly sharpened, if you lay the edge of it against someone, put pressure and draw, you will not cut very deeply (the depth of the cut is limited by the secondary bevel - leather gloves, decently thick clothing or gambeson/buff jack armor will stop it reasonably well). A Katana, however, because it lacks a secondary bevel, is almost guaranteed to open a major artery in a draw cut. This creates a uniquely different "effective range" for a Katana practitioner. If one places one's hand on the back of the blade, one can create killing wounds at "dagger range", while still retaining the tactical flexibility of having the reach of a long sword if needed. A Katana also tends to be shorter with a one-handed sword length blade, and it can function pretty well even if the user is in contact distance, even without halfswording. A European Longsword at the same range would be, while not useless, far more awkward, as a lot of them have blades that go above 36 inches. Due to these differences in their swords, East Asia and Medieval/Renaissance Europe developed completely different methods for fighting in close range with swords, despite having swords that look superficially similar.
@Tarooo89
@Tarooo89 6 жыл бұрын
Grabbing a curved blade without getting cut is extremely difficult, as the angles mean less hand contact, and thus more slippage.
@typorad
@typorad 3 жыл бұрын
What are your views on grabbing a thrust? Would this be similar to letting the blade slide in your hand and result in a sliced hand? Some fighters I have faced default to grasping a thrust and it is very frustrating to spar with them.
@ilejovcevski79
@ilejovcevski79 8 жыл бұрын
Question: the longswords at 1:00 (the first demonstration) and at 2:28 (the cross guard grab), i quite like them..... where and can they be acquired? Do you have the basic metrics on them? Cheers and keep up with the nice videos!
@BloodandIronHEMA
@BloodandIronHEMA 8 жыл бұрын
The first sword is the Cold Steel Italians that we blunted the tip with, and the second is the Albion Crecy
@ilejovcevski79
@ilejovcevski79 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that info! :D
@andysosgaming
@andysosgaming 8 жыл бұрын
The end tho 😱
@martinogold
@martinogold 3 жыл бұрын
That's some fancy swordplay there 👏
@berniegurrs6463
@berniegurrs6463 7 жыл бұрын
I'm a bit new to sword fighting and I was wondering when it would be appropriate to go for blade grabs and other grappling as opposed to just parrying their strike and going for a cut of your own
@HEMASimian
@HEMASimian 7 жыл бұрын
I usually do them when I notice my opponent only commits to half cuts (Stopping more or less upon impact instead of following through), so I know I can interrupt their strike with an aggressive upward motion which will break their structure, and make it take a tiny bit of time before they can recover. Since they stop half way, their sword is right there for grabbing before they have to recover. Just one example of many.
@berniegurrs6463
@berniegurrs6463 7 жыл бұрын
Julian Schuetze ok thank you
@lorenzocube214
@lorenzocube214 6 жыл бұрын
2:48 I was like "Holy Shit"
@TheSixxxgunzz
@TheSixxxgunzz 3 жыл бұрын
Make sure to post the vid when ur at the hospital having them stitch ur fingers back on!!
@Luckragol
@Luckragol 8 жыл бұрын
Hello. Is there a chance to get similar videos for maces and warhammers. Would be interesting to see. +If such already are somewhere, a link would be appreciated since my eyes are made of wood and cant find them myself. :)
@HEMASimian
@HEMASimian 8 жыл бұрын
I posted this above, same answer: "We may expand on this more in the future, but there are very few sources for Maces or warhammers. They require much less skill to use (No edge alignment issues, less thrusts, etc), and if you can use a sword you can use either fairly easily."
@RuizCombatGrappling
@RuizCombatGrappling 2 жыл бұрын
The last 5 seconds of the video!!! AGHHH!!! Hahahah you're awful! Love it!
@GottHammer
@GottHammer 8 жыл бұрын
when sharing to Facebook, the title of the video is different (" Showcasing HEMA - Flashy Techniques 2 - Fundamentals"). The proper title can be seen on the preview image, tho'.
@HEMASimian
@HEMASimian 8 жыл бұрын
Yeah, when I originally uploaded the video unlisted for review I put in the wrong title by accident. I fixed it pretty quickly, but KZfaq can be slow with updating little things like that.
@peskylogicchillinsky6007Futube
@peskylogicchillinsky6007Futube 5 жыл бұрын
I’ve been wondering what napoleon dynamites uncle has been doing....
@shrekas2966
@shrekas2966 8 жыл бұрын
i like when people say that european swords were blunt because it is shown people grabbing blades in depictions.
@Laughing_Individual
@Laughing_Individual 8 жыл бұрын
The Katana cultists I presume?
@shrekas2966
@shrekas2966 8 жыл бұрын
Rayjin ϟ No, some really intelligent people.
@umartdagnir
@umartdagnir 8 жыл бұрын
Being intelligent in one area does not necessary mean intelligence in other areas.
@HEMASimian
@HEMASimian 8 жыл бұрын
To be fair, if you don't know otherwise, it's not a stupid conclusion. They just need to be educated in the glorious ways of HEMA ;)
@sick-fit-ness
@sick-fit-ness 7 жыл бұрын
Wow, nice material,, good explenation, but how can you perform sword fighting like its a teleshop commercial? :)
@secutorprimus
@secutorprimus 5 жыл бұрын
What does this mean...?
@deltamatt001
@deltamatt001 5 жыл бұрын
You guys need to be contacted as consultants for Hollywood movies.
@stevefelten1197
@stevefelten1197 6 жыл бұрын
Damn movie should really look into these techniques, with a good fight coordinator it would make fights more realistic throw in some fancy moves to make it not boring.
@Godofdeath805
@Godofdeath805 8 жыл бұрын
spasibo
@Robert399
@Robert399 8 жыл бұрын
I know that these techniques are meant to be quick but just out of interest does the risk increase if your opponent is stronger than you? If say you're unarmed and you're actually trying to grapple for the longsword, is a stronger opponent likely to pull it out through your hands before you can disarm?
@patrik2813
@patrik2813 7 жыл бұрын
Robert R Well, if you are absolutely unarmed, you're already dead, because the wouldn't stop moving until it hit you. if you could stop it with good placed block from smthing like a Metall pipe, or better lock Blades, than you could grad it, move it out of your way and Land a free fatal hit. however, if you make it obvious and your opponent has time to react, you lost your only chance
@Robert399
@Robert399 7 жыл бұрын
Patrik Well if you're completely unarmed, you're obviously not going to catch the blade while it's swinging. You'd try to step past it on the outside of its swing then grapple. But my real question is, can a stronger opponent pull a blade out through your hands?
@patrik2813
@patrik2813 7 жыл бұрын
Robert R If he is much stronger than you, yes. But considerably stronger
@seanfranklin1591
@seanfranklin1591 7 жыл бұрын
Depends. If you have a good enough grip on the sword and your opponent pulls really hard what usually ends up happening is that they pull you around.
@bartomiejsobieszek432
@bartomiejsobieszek432 6 жыл бұрын
Just a tip - a grip strength does not come from muscles you can simply see. A big man can have big arms, but weak grip.
@herauthon
@herauthon 4 жыл бұрын
i wonder if you deflected once, successfully.. it will still work.. or be used against you - and you lose a few fingers?
@Krishnaeternal
@Krishnaeternal 6 жыл бұрын
I've resisted commenting on blade grabs, but I strongly feel the need today. It depends on the sword. If it is a sharp katana, and your opponent is even half skilled, you WILL be bleeding no matter how "safely" you try to grab it over the edge with bare hands. The next thing is that you'll be seeing blood on the floor wondering whose it is. The cuts will be PAINLESS and deep. We tried this several times, and the outcome is always the same: Painless deep cuts. Lots of blood.
@jamesfirehummer3216
@jamesfirehummer3216 4 жыл бұрын
living up to your name with that ending eh?
@Skyrilla
@Skyrilla 4 жыл бұрын
Who is that Valkyrie?
@patrik2813
@patrik2813 7 жыл бұрын
oh, i though blade grabbing was just a dirty technique i invented, but hey, i guess it isn't. still, mastered it's a very useful tech
@wencao6703
@wencao6703 5 жыл бұрын
Hi, what’s sword appeared in 2:38.
@kaziglubey4455
@kaziglubey4455 4 жыл бұрын
Looks like an arming sword.
@user-kk2uu2rq7x
@user-kk2uu2rq7x 5 жыл бұрын
Chainmail glove would work perfectly here
@cadethumann8605
@cadethumann8605 7 жыл бұрын
Out of curiosity, how would you free your blade if an opponent grabs it?
@RandomAllen
@RandomAllen 6 жыл бұрын
There are a variety of ways but what I would recommend is attempting to get two handed leverage back on the weapon or immediately start grappling. A techinique I found when sparring that works SURPRISELY well against people who aren't very good grapplers, if you grabbed their sword and they grabbed your sword, quickly drop your sword and put both hands on their sword to bind their own blade against the back of their neck. This works because they only have one hand on their blade and you've temporarily disabled ,their ablity to use their left hand because it's holding your dropped sword by the blade, you can use your full two handed leverage to crumple their structure and get them securely bound up. You can also possibly combine it with a throw.
@Alustar22
@Alustar22 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah that's what I was going to say, practically speaking, the moment the opponent has a hold of your blade they have made a commitment. So either force that commitment further or force them to break free by offering a more pressing threat than a halted blade. Ideally an off hand strike or maneuver to off balance them.
@JerodimusPrime
@JerodimusPrime 5 жыл бұрын
@Cade Thumann In realistic and historical accounts when the bind has taken place the fight usually descends into grappling, throwing your opponent to the ground then either stabbing him to death with your dagger, or using his disarmed weapon to kill him while he's on the ground. It's been speculated that this is actually how the Archers killed the French Knights and Agincourt.
@ahmedal-subhi177
@ahmedal-subhi177 5 жыл бұрын
She got some.fine muscles
@set26rus50
@set26rus50 4 жыл бұрын
3:50, Смотришь и понимаешь, чни ничего не понимаешь. Остается лишь вопрос, а что это было?!
@barrythecommie6684
@barrythecommie6684 7 жыл бұрын
nice ketchup at the end
@JakesPlace
@JakesPlace 6 жыл бұрын
These peeps are swole as!
@greyraiz1301
@greyraiz1301 4 жыл бұрын
But but but in anime you can stop the sword with one finger if you're bad ass enough 🙁☹
@Troglor048
@Troglor048 4 жыл бұрын
*smirk* "Weak, very weak. You're two thousand years too early to challenge me!"
@bernardputersznit64
@bernardputersznit64 7 жыл бұрын
ketchup packet (I HOPE!)
@dgoodwin6945
@dgoodwin6945 2 жыл бұрын
Please tell me that was ketchup
@johnconnor610
@johnconnor610 6 жыл бұрын
Not convince me. With your only 3 medals hung over the wall. Whos out of his mind to grab a sword.
@BloodandIronHEMA
@BloodandIronHEMA 6 жыл бұрын
Just in case this wasn't sarcasm (hard to read online) that wall definitely has more than 3 medals. - i.imgur.com/Jon4V5j.jpg
@kenkrossrus568
@kenkrossrus568 4 жыл бұрын
Против такой Воительницы!!! Я даже с ломом, от которого как всем известно приёма нет. Вышел бы в последний раз! ;)))
@Alpha.Phenix
@Alpha.Phenix 8 жыл бұрын
You almost fooled me at the end, untill I noticed how scripted the reaction was, plus your lack of pain and the fact that the ''blood'' did not behave like blood. Be honest. It was ketchup, wasn't it?
@yokaboka
@yokaboka 5 жыл бұрын
do they call you sherlock?
@johnt5997
@johnt5997 6 жыл бұрын
No martial art that's 100% risk free? Have you heard of Tai Chi?
@MATTIKSA
@MATTIKSA 4 ай бұрын
Tai chi is not martial Art! Its only a Healing Art !
@09nob
@09nob 4 жыл бұрын
Is she going to spank him with those gloves at the end? or is glove spanking covered in the next video?
@d4n3d
@d4n3d 5 жыл бұрын
Some pointers but it is so obvious that none of the "instructors" has ever been in a ŕeal fight.
@CoffeeSnep
@CoffeeSnep 5 жыл бұрын
Why is it obvious? They spar plenty enough, they cut a lot, and engage in many activities to simulate real combat as closely as possible, which in some cases is really close. They are both excellent fighters who are both tremendously more likely to succeed in a "real fight" than a normal, untrained person, no matter how much "street fight grit" you throw into it. That point aside, we don't know their life stories, and their is nothing in this video that gives us any hints one way or another.
@BloodandIronHEMA
@BloodandIronHEMA 5 жыл бұрын
You are factually incorrect.
@d4n3d
@d4n3d 5 жыл бұрын
@@BloodandIronHEMA Ok. I think it is more of a Hollywood perception that long swords were used without a shield (pre rapiers, fencing duels and pistols). A hand is vulnerable (even with a protective glove that hand is sensitive to twists + cutting and crushing damage from strikes). You would prefer a fat shield that can be used way better defensively and offensively instead. That sword goes with a shield.
@vincentliu809
@vincentliu809 4 жыл бұрын
@@d4n3d Longswords are not depicted as being used with shields in historical sources. A longsword is a two handed sword. There are far better options to go with a shield than a longsword, which is meant to be used in two hands. It doesn't matter what you prefer either. A duel should be fought with similar weapons. If you want to duel with shields you would clearly not use a weapon meant to wielded in two hands. You clearly have no clue about the history of dueling.
@scottdeaussie
@scottdeaussie 6 жыл бұрын
@ minutes of nothing got a thumbs down from me!
@BloodandIronHEMA
@BloodandIronHEMA 6 жыл бұрын
scottdeaussie did you check at the end?
@Dadecorban
@Dadecorban 6 жыл бұрын
Blade grabs are unrealistic and ahistorical. Just kidding.
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