It is evolution: survival of the one that responds the quickest. In 1914 the british land forces were VERY upset about the german soldiers not wearing bright blue, yellow or red uniforms (like they did) but greyish green that was very hard to spot while in the field. The brits and the frogs found it cheating....

"Do you see any torpedo boats?"

@@kingmuddy5898 BY DENMARK?

"Throws a pair of binoculars"

@@mattrogersftw "Ah fuck I didn't train them"

@@asdf2593 F'kin way she goes he says

@@asdf2593 What do you mean the way she fucking goes, we had $50 for strippers and you spent it on fruities Ray?!?

Shit like that is why I chose the Army

They saw nothing. It was dark. There was no light on the ships. Perhaps the sounds of engines.

@@frutt5k that's not better, just how sharks like it

If you want to check out another interesting night time knife fight battle look up the WW2 Battle of Cape Matapan. After the battle the heavy cruiser Pola was dead in the water and trying to be rescued by her two sisters Zara and Flume. 3 british battle ships and the carrier Formidable closed to within 3,800 yards before opening fire. Being 3rd in the battle line of 4, Formidable received the order to open fire with her 4.5 inch guns for one salvo before someone realized they had just included a carrier in a point blank gun battle line with battleships and ordered her to turn away and fall out of line. Only time a carrier intentionally closed to gun range and took part in a battle line. All 3 Italian cruisers were wiped out in a matter of only a few minutes with reports of multiple turrets being physically thrown into the air. Its also the only time an entire class of ship was wiped out in a single engagement.

If you want a real knife fight battle, might I suggest looking into the 1st and 2nd Naval battle of Guadalcanal? If you want a battle where ships are fighting in the middle of each other's fleet then this is a good chaotic one.

Or on the other terms, seems like a bayonet hand to hand combat but in naval version.

Shout yes, hardly imaginable let alone managing to hit one! 😂

Nassau didn't just get into the naval equivalent of knife fighting range, it literally got into knife fighting range!

More like GUNflashes...

Truth is stranger than fiction.

Dont forget too: 8:13 A battleship raming a destroyer and point blank shooting it, blowing its superstructure, and the destroyer survived. 10:49 The weird moment a british cruiser, the black prince, believing it was seeing the british fleet did put herself along side the fleet and sail with them only to find out where german, geting obliterated.

Wait till you hear of the Russian 2nd Pacific Squadron. Ooooooh boy, was that a floating sh*t show. Drachinifel did a fantastic 2 parts video of them. Highly recommend

@@Zergling. "A battleship raming a destroyer and point blank shooting it, blowing its superstructure, and the destroyer survived" Plot armour!!! 😡 Joke aside, this must have been a major brown-pants situation for every one involved.

@@GerardMenvussa HAHAH want to know how the ears of the sailors in the destroyer are still intact after getting blasted by battleship guns at that close range. "major brown-pants situation for every one involved." very true

Fr those destroyers got slaughtered

One war too early to try to face a battleship with a destroyer.

Fr, especially if you look at WW2 battleships. Destroyers are nice to be presice, f.e. to destroy a building on an island from far away. Battleships have to come closer, and they are good the destroy... the whole island with a few salvos. Would be nice to bring the huge guns back for cheap fire support. Sometimes you can get close to the target, around 40km, and modern, big guns for sure could strike at 60km or 70km. If it's just a single turret with long barrel, it can be close to 100km. Make it 350mm or larger, so 14 inches or more, and you have the same punsh per shell like a cruise missile, or more, for a far smaller price. Sometimes you need to suppress enemies fire, and I think, you don't need real battleships with armor, you make them battlecruisers, so they are cheaper. You give them 1 turret with 2 or 3 guns or 2 with 2, with very long barrels, like some german WW2 guns. There was a german WW2 gun with 21cm and 115km range. Schwerer Gustav had close to 60km with 80cm. Imo you could make less turrets with longer guns with longer range, not 80cm, but maybe 45cm or 50cm, to have more firepower then cruise missiles, or you make more turrets, like 5 with 3 or 4 guns each, with something like 25cm, that can fire at a higher rate, and you have high range gliding shells, so you can suppress artillery. I just think, there should be a cheaper option to cruise missiles if you need to strike a huge area, and the single 140mm or 150mm naval guns ships have today are tiny, and today's artillery is very precise, todays guns are better, you won't miss a target even over 50km away by more than a few meters, so I would like to see at least larger guns, if not the battleships, return 🤷‍♂️

Didn't have radio in the modern sense - you communicated by light, flag or morse

@@historigraph I guess Morse code wasn’t that secure for the spread of information for both sides ?

Radios were a thing on a select few British ships, but the radio was not seen favorably in the British fleet, thus preferring to communicate only with traditional means. If I recall correctly, Room 40 O.B. tried to give Jellicoe important information throughout and well past the battle, but Jellicoe never received the radio messages.

@@magicintelligence6625 Also both radios and wireless telegraph needed operators. So if they were not at their post or Jellicoe just didn´t feel like posting people to manage the equipment no matter how much information was sent their way they would never receive it. The Titanic disaster only happened 4 years earlier and that was famous for being the first well known case of a telegraph being used to send distress signals and ask for help, and that mostly came from the bravery of the Titanic telegraph operators and someone actually being posted at the Carpathia´s telegraph after hours to receive those messages. I imagine "old school" admirals back in those days didn´t view any new tech favorably as you say, and only the missed opportunities and heavy bludners of this battle convinced or forced them to think differently.

@@magicintelligence6625 Jeelicoe got some of the messages. He didn't trust them because of a misunderstanding caused by an officer with the the admiralty.

Wow thanks so much!

Gunfire could be clearly seen and observed by several British battleships, but they did not inform Jellicoe or take any action themselves

@@historigraph That really is mind-boggling to me. They saw gunfire, understood that that meant a battle was taking place, and didn't even bother to tell Jellicoe? Was this a case of them following the precise word of the order, rather than the spirit of it, or something else - like mistaking the engagement for one against the lighter German vessels, or general incompetence? It's amazing to think about how different things could've been had word reached Jellicoe.

@@joshnelson6750 the culture of the RN at the time was to be silent until orders were issued IIRC (i.e. don't speak until spoken to) was even a problem during WW2 even though by that point they had been trying to fix that culture for a while.

@Lykas_mitts That would certainly explain it. Certainly a stereotype during the First and Second World Wars, particularly when compared to our German counterparts.

Humans are weird man... When reality is unrealistic...

Dont worry about it mate, a small imperfection in an otherwise superb video

Intentional or not you deffinitly got me, I thought I was having a stroke.

IMO it adds to the mystery of the situation! is this the British line or am i near enemy ships? i thought it was intentional.

I thought my projector had lost convergence, lol

Haha! I put some eyedrops, thinking my contacts were getting dry from the air conditioner 😂 In any way, dude, I wouldn't even know how to open up the program you used to animate your vids. No need to apologize, I actually thank you for your top notch content 😀👍🏼

At least Royal Navy officers in WW2 had combat experience. Jutland was the first major naval battle in over 100 years for the Royal Navy, they got lazy and complacent.

@@PotatoSalad614, not true. There were a number of engagements between the North Sea fleets prior to Jutland.

@@dclark142002 Nothing close to the scale of Jutland. Dogger bank and falklands doesnt really count as they were skirmishes between cruisers and a few battlecruisers. The Battle of Jutland saw 42 British and German battleships duke it out in a pitched battle on the high seas, the first and only time this has ever happened.

@@PotatoSalad614, the maneuvering around the Scarborough, Hartlepool, and Whitby raid nearly caused an engagement between Ingenohl's High Seas Fleet and Beattys detached battlecruiser and dreadnought force...and that wasn't the only time significant portions of each fleet were within an hour or so of fighting each other. Positioning prior to the guns firing is a KEY aspect of winning a naval fight...

It was the first major naval battle in german histroy....ever and the biggest ever since@@PotatoSalad614

Trouble is, videos about abstract things like that won't get views (see our last video on the battle of the atlantic, which was logistics focused), so don't make sense to make

I was about to say, the overwhelming number of people interested in history are actually only interested in historic spectacles, which is a terrible shame especially since they then believe or pretend to understand history

@@historigraph I thought that video was absolutely brilliant. In fact I liked it so much I just subscribed to your Patreon. I was hoping you would do a battle on British coastal convoys of World War II. If the convoy system is underlooked, the coastal convoy system is definitely.

Sounds like a job for Perun.

@@historigraph In fairness it was a good video, just the topic was generic and done to death across multiple media platforms. I think a more specialized take on Jutland's logistics and fallout to cap off the series would be fantastic!

It's not as flashy as several dozen battleships firing their guns at each other. But yeah, this was the defining moment of the battle. Had the British handled this fight better they could have annihilated the High Seas Fleet.

😮Best man called Mr Ladyhusband.. 😂

Don't forget you also have Archibald butts who was Lee major in the Army but died on the Titanic

The Royal Navy in the 20th century had so many senior officers with great names. Manley Power, comes to mind. But admiral Goodenough is just *chef's kiss*

Thank you!

😊😊😊

I’m sorry but what do you mean by “cleansed their clocks” ? I’m genuinely curious.

@@jeanadames8230 It means "beaten them badly, in an almost hopelessly one-sided way."

Jutland was a wake up call for the Royal Navy after 100 years of no competition. Many valuable lessons were learned which payed off in WW2.

@@PotatoSalad614 and this is the Royal Navy after 20-odd years of Jackie Fisher-led reforms! The Navy was in much, much worse shape in 1880 or 1890.

I'm amazed that people still think that the Royal Navy came off worst. Germany achieved NONE of its war aims with this action. The RN blockade stayed in place & the High Seas Fleet remained bottled up in Port. Meanwhile, the RN went back to patrolling the North Sea, as usual. Claiming that Jutland was some sort of German victory is like claiming that the battle of Kursk went in their favor, too.

A simply They / them I dare suggest...

@@DaveSCameron I corrected it, ty

@@iyzu8413 😉

You may be right. For clarity, the source I was using here was Massie's Castles of Steel, which refers to the whole crew going down with her.

@@historigraph Ooofff... Massie is bad, very bad, only cares about the brit stuff and is mostly propaganda, Campbell is the bible on Jutland for every hit and damage suffered, it used to be available online for free. A gift: "The German destroyer flotillas were to carry out night attacks, but fortunately for the British the position of their battlefleet was not known, so that the flotillas had to be spread between 55° and 190°. There were defects in the plan adopted, and no success was obtained. Scheer had told Commodore Heinrich in the Regensburg as early as 1916 that his three flotillas were to attack during the night, and at 2000 both Heinrich and the Senior Leader of Destroyers, Commodore Michelsen, in the Rostock, were ordered by Scheer to direct all flotillas to attack. Heinrich had available the ten destroyers of the 2nd Flotilla which had only fired one torpedo with two damaged, so that they had 57 left, and three destroyers of the 12th Half-Flotilla with 15 torpedoes. In order to obtain a view, less obscured by haze and smoke, the Regensburg turned back with these destroyers at c2010 and made for a position northward of the German rear, and not far from where the Indefatigable had sunk, wreckage being noted by the B97 and G103. The 2nd Flotilla were to attack in the sector 55° to 100° and, if it appeared inadvisable to return via the German Bight, were to make for Kiel round the Skaw. The next sector, 100° to 122°, was allotted to the 12th Half-Flotilla. Just after the destroyers had been given their orders, and 14 minutes before they were finally detached at 2030, a signal was received from Scheer, that the Rostock was to conduct all attacks. Heinrich had foreseen this, and had therefore confined his flotillas to the tactically less favourable northern sectors to avoid obstructing Michelsen. This meant that the most promising sectors would be given to the coal-fired destroyers of the 5th and 7th Flotillas. Heinrich notified Scheer and Michelsen of the orders issued, and Michelsen then informed Scheer that Heinrich would direct the attacks of his flotillas independently. Both the 2nd Flotilla and 12th Half-Flotilla encountered British forces earlier than intended and at 2052 the 2nd LCS opened fire on the latter at 3500-5500yds. The destroyers turned away, and the S50 was hit by a 6in shell which did not explode but put one boiler out of action amongst other damage, so that she had to reduce to 25kts and return to the German Fleet. The destroyers made smoke and artificial fog, and the V69 and V46 resumed their course at 2110. In addition to the 2nd LCS, the Benbow fired one salvo of 6in, and a round from `B' turret, while the Valiant believed that the 2nd LCS were firing at a submarine on her starboard bow, for which she altered course. The Barham fired some rounds of 6in at a supposed submarine during the battle, possibly at this time. The 2nd Flotilla sighted the British 2nd LCS and 12th Flotilla at 2045-2050, and also turned away, gradually describing a large circle to starboard, so that they did not resume their eastward course until 2130 or 2140. This delay caused the 2nd Flotilla to pass far astern of any British battleships, though the V69 and V46 approached much nearer. Of the other oil-fired destroyers, the G41 and the 11th Half-Flotilla had only three torpedoes left between them, and were sent to take station at the head of the line. The 9th Flotilla had lost three destroyers, and of the remainder the V28 and S52 had no torpedoes left, while the V28 was also damaged, as was the S51 which had two torpedoes, and these three took station on the 1st Squadron. The other five destroyers of this flotilla had a total of 21 torpedoes available and, in company with the G42 of the 3rd Flotilla which still had six torpedoes but was reduced in speed, joined the Rostock, and at 2130 were steaming towards the head of the line. The other five surviving destroyers of the 3rd Flotilla had 20 torpedoes left, though the G88 had only one. They did not regain touch with the German Fleet for some time after their final attempt to reach the Wiesbaden, but by 2045 had joined the Regensburg and, for the time being, were retained as a reserve. Lastly the G38, G40, V45 and G37 with a total of 20 torpedoes were accompanying the Lutzow, the G39 with six torpedoes, the 1st SG and then the Moltke; the S32, which had only one torpedo left, was with the Rostock. The destroyers of the 5th and 7th Flotillas had each one oil-fired and three coal-fired boilers, and the fires in the latter were very dirty, so that in order to prepare them to some extent for smokeless steaming during the coming attacks, speed had to be held to 17-18 or at the most 21kts, and' even at 15kts sparks and funnel smoke were visible at a considerable distance. As the British fleet speed during the night was 17kts, this was a serious handicap, and in addition the position where they were detached by the Rostock at c2110,, was near the rear of the German line, whose alterations of course hampered these flotillas. Neither had yet fired any torpedoes, so that the 5th had 44 and the 7th 36 available. Michelsen thought that the British would probably steam southward under the Jutland coast during the night and assigned the sector 122° to 156° to the 7th Flotilla, and 156° to 190° to the 5th. Owing to Michelsen's and Heinrich's flotillas being detached from different positions, there was however a gap between the 122° boundaries of the sectors of the 12th Half-Flotilla and 7th Flotilla. The 5th Flotilla proceeded generally 173° after they were detached, and should have begun to search their sector at 2230, but they were delayed 30 minutes by having to pass twice through the German line, and also by smoke interfering with visual signals. The 7th Flotilla which were steering 139° passed through the line of the 3rd Squadron at about 2125, and 3 minutes or so later the S23 was briefly lit up by SL and fired at. Recognition signals stopped further firing, and the 7th Flotilla altered course to 122° to get further away from the German Fleet, and proceeded in close order at 17kts. There were thus no German destroyers in the sector between 122° and 173°, where the British battleships were to be found." The book goes into excruciating detail about the fighting with no bias, which is rare. The brits were INCREDIBLY lucky... also note the Germans actually talked to each other, unlike the British. Otherwise, the video is EXCELLENT.

@FalklandsRforeverBritish Not that I care like you do, Mustafa. But it was not.

It is still insane, radar was difficult to interpret is early wwii, and let’s not forget Vincennes: is that an attacking f-14 or just an airbus?

Hmm I think thats a bit unfair. It was pitch dark, and trying to keep an accurate plot of where you are, the enemy are and your own friendly warships are in those circumstances must have been hellishly difficult

​@@historigraph quite

​@@historigraph You definitely know that if its friendly, 4 inch guns wouldn't exactly sink a BB. If its enemy, they'll blow you out of the water. The best action probably was to signal Jellicoe and ask WTF going on, but Just staying out of any big ship would have been the wisest.

​@@arandomdudewithhobbies3318 Single how? They did signal, by light signal, to then get obliterated when it turned out it was the Germans.

​@@historigraph Sure but at the same time this action made no sense - they had to know German ships were extremely close, you can't just ignore that and reform and pretend nothing is happening. Its wild how passive the British were all night, just sailing along until they stumbled into a German ship and got annihilated, and everyone else barely reacting.