History of Flamenco

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Pasión y Arte Flamenco

8 жыл бұрын

Panel discussion on the history of flamenco, during the 2014 Philadelphia Flamenco Festival.

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@likeaghost78 4 жыл бұрын

I heard flamenco at different times in my life and it always spoke to my soul in a way no other music had, I have Sicilian blood and I am darker skinned with curly hair and I know about the Moorish invasion of Sicily and Spain, and the Moorish love of geometry. I have a theory that it speaks to my blood because it dates back to the Moors.

@mumzpower8517 2 жыл бұрын

may be not. maybe u r looking for an interesting backstory to sound special . everybody resonates with that music , its designed to . i am pretty sure u have plenty of theories to make ur self sound special to yourself. maybe see a psychologist.

@FLAMENCODELACOSTA 2 жыл бұрын

I was a little disappointed that A lot of important information is left out….

@uhoh007 3 жыл бұрын

Fantastic Lecture!!

@jenniferpizano1910 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this! very informative :)

@soniachapadance1 2 жыл бұрын

Hello Meira!! Wonderful presentation ladies!!

@pierrevanhalteren5733 7 ай бұрын

OK, I see. In conclusion obviously nobody really knows the origins but we will all agree that it is an amazing art form. Evidence of that is that Spaniards want the flamenco to be Spanish, Arabs wants it to be arabic and Gypsys/Romani also wants a piece of it by placing it's origin somewhere north of India. All running to rescue success.

@marramambertamarramamberta9107 2 ай бұрын

True, true, but I think that it was a melting pot of different cultures. There was a culture of singing in Andalucía, which contributed Moorish, Jewish and local traditions (both music and literature). The Gypsies added important elements from their tradition and you can see how it grew different styles of flamenco throughout the geography. Then, the Gypsies developed it in their own way and that became the predominant form of flamenco.

@liubamutafachiri8403 5 ай бұрын

Jipsi , ROM, Roma, Moldova 👍👍

@MCSubZero1 5 жыл бұрын

You must research gypsy flemenco with ancient indian dance "Bharatanatyam"

@HeganEntertainments1 4 жыл бұрын

watch this space!! Kim Hegan 'Behind The Flamenco Curtain' coming soon

@jesusdiaz3679 2 жыл бұрын

The adjective of Hispano-Arab is totally false and misleading. The reason is that most of the islamic power in Spain were the moors or better the Berbers or even better the Amazigh. The leader who started the invasion to Spain was Tariq who was an arabised Berber, The dynasties of Almohads, Manrinids and Almoravids, etc were also Berbers and in 1492 The Arabs were not thrown out as probably there were none or not mentioned of it, but the text books says: the Moors, Moriscos and Jews so the adjective should be Hispano-Amazigh

@slp788 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, thank you!

@vicentelopez00 5 жыл бұрын

Los numeroos palos del flamenco tuvieron su origen en diferentes zonas de Andalucía y Murcia como lo indican muchos de sus nombres. Las raíces del flamenco hay que buscarlas en los cantos populares que durante siglos se cantaron en el sur de España y dieron resultado a lo que es en la actualidad tras una larga evolución producto del mestizaje cultural y del sincretismo como siempre ocurre con cualquier cultura. Los estudios científicos no ponen en duda sino que rechazan de plano cualquier similitud con la música indostánica, probable origen del pueblo gitano, pero aceptan la influencia de la música árabe, lo cual es suficientemente notorio por su carácter melismático y por el uso de intervalos de cuarto de tono que no existen en la música europea. La verdad está siendo demostrada mediante la antropología, la musicología y la historia. Dicen que deseos no preñan y el deseo por considerar al "flamenco" como producto de lo gitano, no tiene asidero científico de ningún tipo. Mas bien se ha demostrado todo lo contrario, o sea, la imposibilidad de que el flamenco haya sido creado por los gitanos, aunque no está en duda el hecho cierto de que entre los gitanos ha habido grandes cultores del flamenco. El flamenco nació en el sur de España tras una larga evolución secular de los cantos populares de Andalucía, Extremadura y Murcia, sin olvidar la influencia que tuvieron los llamados "cantos de ida y vuelta", de la América española. Y agrego que si en todo el mundo hay gitanos, ¿Por qué el arte flamenco es sólo de las regiones que he mencionado? ¿Por que no hay flamenco en Bélgica o en Suecia o en ningún otro lugar que no sea el sur de España.......'? Los más importantes compositores del barroco se basaron en danzas populares, muchas de ellas españolas, para crear sus obras, tales como chaconas, zarabandas, folías, pavanas, fandangos, pasacalles, etc. Juan Sebastián Bach (S XVII-XVIII) escribió una chacona y zarabandas para violín solo, las cuales fueron transcritas para guitarra por Andrés Segovia. Han sido interpretadas por muchos guitarristas. Los rasgueos de la guitarra parecen ""flamencos"", mucho antes de que existiera lo que hoy conocemos con ese nombre. Cervantes hace mención de las chaconas, que eran acompañadas por guitarras y castañuelas. Lo mismo ocurrió con el bolero que Maurice Ravel elevó a la música sinfónica o la jota aragonesa de Glinka o la Rapsodia española de Listz. Domenico Scarlatti y Luigi Boccherini fueron dos músicos italianos del siglo XVIII que vivieron en España e incluyeron el fandango y otros aires populares españoles en sus obras. El Capricho Español de Nicolay Rimski Korsakov incluye un fandango. Mozart, Gluck, Glinka y otros grandes músicos incluyeron aires ""flamencos"" en sus obras antes de que supuestamente éste hubiera sido ""creado""

@marienoellemeunier7423 3 жыл бұрын

Y extremadura esta gente nó tiene ni puta idea dé lo que es el cante flamenco

@slp788 2 жыл бұрын

Not Gypsy, we're known as Roma or Romani. Gypsy is more of an outdated term; an insult, really.

@bluetinsel7099 3 жыл бұрын

Arab means mixed so Hispano Arabs means mixed of Spain. People need to think of what they were mixed with.

@earthynomad7160 2 жыл бұрын

Arab means mixed?? Arab is an ethnicity and language

@bluetinsel7099 2 жыл бұрын

@@earthynomad7160 You can look it up, but yes arab means mixed. Ethnicity is typically a mixture of culture and language.

@nenadmarincic7716 2 жыл бұрын

.'...Pasion y Arte..." " el flamenco " evento, muy interesante- .......... ( y considerando , que por suerte , ya existe una amplia literatura del tema -"flamenco " , y aqui ,solamente , algunos de los libros; - ' Flamencologia " , A.G.Climent - Trini Borrull ; " La danza espanola ' - H.Rossy : " Teoria del Cante Jondo " - Fernando Quinones '; " Cadiz y su gente " - Sergio Lifar ; " la Danza " ... ...

@soufienework5139 4 жыл бұрын

The flamenco word origin is Arab Fallah mancob => Flamenco فلاح منكوب The ruined farmer Referring to the persécution that was did to the Arab people who was converted by force after the Arab defeat in Andalusia .. These people created this music style to sing their suffer from what happens to them .. and the persecution happens to them ... And when was listening to the melodies sang by my grandma .. they are exactly the same as the one sang by the gipsies Especially this one kzfaq.info/get/bejne/obJ6fbOjuLSqdoU.html And you can notice .. the "lilli Laila" .. was repeated all along the song .. is the same repeated in the Arab songs "ya lili ya lili" that is sang by all the Arab singer .. Dalida .. Patrick Bruel.. the European Originally Arab singers .. that means .. "oh my night" in a romantic sense 1:47 : kzfaq.info/get/bejne/d8uFaKp1prSWhXU.html

@marienoellemeunier7423 3 жыл бұрын

@ilesos 😅😭😭🤣🤣🇪🇸

@marienoellemeunier7423 3 жыл бұрын

@Ray Ramirez 😅😭😭🤣🤣🇪🇸

@earthynomad7160 2 жыл бұрын

@@marienoellemeunier7423 very true information

@jesusdiaz3679 4 жыл бұрын

The 20 century history of Flamenco told seems to be about right. However, no mentioned where Flamenco started and certainly it was not by Gypsies as gypsies are all over Europe and Asia and there is not a single place that play music or dance similar to Flamenco. So the gypsies embraced Flamenco in Spain. Neither were the Zafardies and certainly not the Arabs as many other people claim. What none of the historians of Flamenco acknowledge or even recognise are the real people that brought the dance and music to Spain called "Tajaraste" or Tarajaste Canario. which was brought to the Spanish mainland by the slaves from the Canary Islands and through the music and dance was born Flamenco and La Jota. The Tarajaste Canario was then called just "Canario" in Spain, Il Canario in Italy, Canary in England, Canarie in French and so it did in many languages through Europe. Canario expanded throughout all the European Courts and is was popular from the Italian Renaissance to the Baroque expanding 3 centuries and even JS Bach adopted some of the Canario music and dance into his repertoire. Here is an example of the Spanish composer Gaspar Sanz (1750) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/kNp0rKujrMrUZnk.html From the Italian Renaissance kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ZthdZdRj17KweGg.html Canary being dance in England kzfaq.info/get/bejne/r52Je5Wh0J_eaYE.html Shakespeary coined the word Canarying meaning dance with the "taconeo" but the closest to Flamenco today was Kapsberger kzfaq.info/get/bejne/kNp0rKujrMrUZnk.html So please do acknowledge to our aboriginal canarians in mainland Spain in the 16th century who were the real foundation of Flamenco and La Jota.

@soufienework5139 4 жыл бұрын

The flamenco word origin is Arab Fallah mancob => Flamenco فلاح منكوب The ruined farmer Referring to the persecution undergone by the Arab people who was converted by force after the Arab defeat in Andalusia .. Tihis music style was created by the people why wanted to sing and express their suffering from what happens to them .. and the persecution that they incured ... And when I was listening to the melodies sang by my grandma .. they are exactly the same as the ones sang by the gipsies Especially this one kzfaq.info/get/bejne/obJ6fbOjuLSqdoU.html And you can notice .. the "lilli Laila" .. was repeated all along the song .. is the same repeated in the Arab songs "ya lili ya lili" that is sang by all the Arab singers ... and also the Arab Originally European singers .. as Dalida .. Patrick Bruel ... And this word means something like .. "oh my night" in a romantic sense 1:47 : kzfaq.info/get/bejne/d8uFaKp1prSWhXU.html

@mariaromawoman8889 4 жыл бұрын

Lies runs sprints and truth runs maraton.

@jesusdiaz3679 4 жыл бұрын

@@mariaromawoman8889 Of course Maria, lies runs sprints but in the History of Flamenco it has been running marathons. Your colleague presented a drawing with no author or date that can be verified but dated roughly late XVi century!! and continued your falsehood description of Flamenco from this flimsy drawing saying that it kept dancing for two centuries! (Surely in two centuries you could have found a real proof, but you could not, because there was no Flamenco during that time! and now to back up your lie you bring the name of a very well known an artist- Francisco Goya and title of his painting "Dance on the Banks of the Manzanares" painted in 1877 but is not depicting any flamenco dancers despite your assertion as they are dancing "Canarios" A bit of serious and honest research is needed so you do not get everything wrong! Flamenco with that name came to prominence during the Romanticism where the name 'Canario' was changed to Flamenco (as also was change to La Jota, etc as it became a varied dance) after 3 golden centuries of total dominance in Spain and in the whole of Europe at the end of the Baroque period and to show you that I do not rely in flimsy made up so called proof I enclose Canario by the Italian Composer Caroso in 1580 during the Renaissance. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bLOpd7F8tqqVqn0.html Many dances and music changed 'Canario' into other type. Here I enclose the Mexican Zapateo when still was called 'Canarios' in the XVii century when there was not such a word as Flamenco for dancing. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bLOpd7F8tqqVqn0.html The following 'Canario' or Canarie can be seen here in France to show the diversity of the music and dance. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eaiXetZknrXWYok.html Finally Maria I will give you the most linked instrument to these dances which is Canario too. The 'Chacaras' much bigger than what then became castanets. So Maria, I do not tell lies but give you abundant proofs that Flamenco like many other dances came from the Family of dances of 'Canario'

@marienoellemeunier7423 3 жыл бұрын

@@soufienework5139 no és verdad flamenco là palabra quire decir Flanders una region dé Belgica dé cuando pertenecia à España No tiene que ver nada con los arabes 🇪🇸🇪🇸

@jesusdiaz3679 3 жыл бұрын

@@soufienework5139 Flamenco is music and dance. Something EPHEMERAL which unlike monuments, paintings and building we can not see now. However it is interesting that 1) you associate the name of Flamenco with a sentence in Arabic about a "ruined farmer" that sounds a bit similar!! You can find thousands of example like that using phonetics in any language but of course no body spoke Arab in Spain for 3 centuries so why will they coin that phrase!!. 2) The word Flamenco was coined only two centuries ago. That is 3 centuries after there were nor Arabs as you call the moors. 3) It is a pity that you do not differentiate Arabs that come from the Middle East from moors (Berbers or Amazighen) which are people from Mediterranean Africa so that must be a must for you to star using the right adjective!! 3) The moors were arabised and took everything from the Prophet; That is the language which Arabic, the religion which is Islam and took the rights that half of the population has including women which in most Islamic countries have less rights than a dog.

@soufienework5139 4 жыл бұрын

@jesusdiaz3679 4 жыл бұрын

Utter nonsense. So you think that the name of Flamenco which was coined only two centuries ago has to do with a ruined farmer 3 centuries before!

@earthynomad7160 2 жыл бұрын

@@jesusdiaz3679 He's stating facts. Obviously u are pro catholic occupation that's y u are trying to hide the history

@jesusdiaz3679 2 жыл бұрын

First of al Earthy Nomad there are more than two interpretations of Fallah mancob in Arabic. One as you suggested @The ruined Farmer" and the other "Peasants without land" which questions of why different meanings on one hand while on the other questions the meaning itself. It will be be more accurate to call it "The peasant without a guitar" or even "The peasant without shoes" as you need them for taconeo. Then we can discuss about the consonants in those two words. Key is the "L" in the wrong place and the final consonant the most Spanish that do not speak another language will find impossible to pronounce. As a child I used to play with sentences in different languages and one was in arabic: Ata La Jaca a la Reja" which phonetically sounds to a Spanish as a typical Arab sentence) meaning: "Tie the horse to the rail" or Amarra el caballo a la verja" Of course, that was not the meaning in Arabic but phonetically it sounds very similar to a Spanish speaker which is what happens in any language. You look for words that sounds similar and bang, you come with the meaning which as this case is, is a total fabrication. The proof that IS GIVEN is a link to an Amazigh song VIDEO into French. So nothing arab. Have you any real proof older than two centuries?

@jesusdiaz3679 2 жыл бұрын

@@earthynomad7160 The facts are that the arabs, Moors, Moriscos, Jews and others were thrown out of Spain more than 3 centuries before Flamenco was coined with this name. Question: Did the Arabs" communicate through with email, WhatsApp, phone, fax, letter? as they were in another continent. It is really impossible for a fresh mind to believe something as stupid as that. So is not stating facts but vomiting more lies. Taking into account that Flamenco is a new dance of just two centuries, have you got any FACTS as you call it, older than two centuries. I have provided with my chosen videos links, hundreds of proofs as the one video based on Canarios by the Italian Composer Caroso in the year 1580. That video shows two Canadians dancers interpreting Il Canario which was the Italian for The Canary o Canarios in Spanish using zapateado or as William Shakespeare called it "Canarying" . Now if you read lyrics and the document in what this is based then you will find "Clear cut" hundreds of proofs and you can apply to every video link that I have sent. Now a 21st century Amazigh song in French is not a proof. Please send links older than two centuries that proof your SO CALLED FACTS.

@jesusdiaz3679 2 жыл бұрын

@@earthynomad7160 I am agnostic so do not come with that nonsense. I am not trying to hide the history. At the contrary, I am trying to bring light instead. As a good islamic believer, you will try to hide the history OF ISLAM yourself. Did Mohamed at 53 years old married his third wife Aisha, a 6 years old child and the marriage was consummated at the age of 9?. Does Islam give more rights to a dog than to half of a country's population which are women?. As you are CHANGING the argument from dance and music into religion, I will b e interested to hear you providing light to those two questions without HIDING IT REPLY