I appreciate Ian sitting back and letting his guests take the lead. Some other channel hosts tend to dominate the conversation. Well done Ian and Max.
@bobyluppo4 жыл бұрын
ben501st because Ian rocks !!!🤟🤟🤟
@andraslibal4 жыл бұрын
Actually I started respecting Ian more because of this. He does not need to show off his extensive knowledge and can allow the guest to take center stage. Only people who know their stuff really well can do that.
@johnapple66464 жыл бұрын
I noticed when Max got garbled he still didn't interrupt or ask him to repeat, maybe to not break his concentration in telling the story
@watdatdoo3 жыл бұрын
Less work. Smart man.
@marcelozerbini54112 жыл бұрын
Gun Jesus is both knowledgeable and humble. As it should be.
@M0torsagmannen5 жыл бұрын
now if we could get an in depth view of the VSS or AS Val, i would be so happy! but this is great, hearing about the development and history of one of the most iconic soviet snipers.
@eugene12310mobile5 жыл бұрын
@@samundraxhrestha4675 I think they are referring to the Vintorez
@MrBlackMKIII5 жыл бұрын
@@samundraxhrestha4675 there is, get your head out of your ass.
@camryt5 жыл бұрын
Oh that would be awesome. The info on these rifles is so sparse
@phyrr25 жыл бұрын
@@samundraxhrestha4675 It's the same damned thing. VSS = Vintovka Snayperskaya Spetsialnaya.
@eugene12310mobile5 жыл бұрын
@@samundraxhrestha4675 Tbh you are acting a bit of a dumbass here as the full name of the rifle undesignated is the VSS Vintorez
@BillB235 жыл бұрын
Max is definitely a fount of knowledge and his English is infinitely better than my Russian.
@JustWastingMyTimeGaming5 жыл бұрын
He's like the Russian Ian.. Ivan Makollumski
@gzitterspiller5 жыл бұрын
@@JustWastingMyTimeGaming hahaaha you made my day
@Immortan_Che5 жыл бұрын
@@JustWastingMyTimeGaming I'd say "Makollumov")
@mistakenotou76814 жыл бұрын
I agree his english is 100% servicable audio quality however
@taylorliu90934 жыл бұрын
@@JustWastingMyTimeGaming Makollumovich
@ratboy_5 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for doing the captions. That made this so much more pleasant to listen to.
@Big-Government-Is-The-Problem5 жыл бұрын
yeah i definitely appreciate the extra work that went into adding the captions on the video.
@tbthegr815 жыл бұрын
But why are they hardcoded?!
@Greenftor5 жыл бұрын
Not your common Russian accent from Holywood cranberry movies, huh
@dbmail5455 жыл бұрын
His English is better than my Russian. From his writing you would be hard pressed to know it was his second language.
@Chilly_Billy5 жыл бұрын
@@Greenftor, as a matter of fact Max's accent is quite similar to any number of Western renditions.
@SWEmanque5 жыл бұрын
What is really amazing is that while Kalashnikov, Simonov, Konstantinov, and Dragunov had different approaches to the mechanics of the weapons they all designed weapons with a very similar design language in terms of aesthetics. I wonder why different nations tend to produce weapons with such a unique design language. The German weapons have the same thing, they look German. Same with the American rifles up til the M16. The British rifles look like they were all designed to be assembled in a garage.
@KoIossov5 жыл бұрын
The British love making stuff in their garage :P
@Raspredval13375 жыл бұрын
its a millitary request, i guess. Make guns to look and operate almost the same way
@bogdanbogdanoff51645 жыл бұрын
I think its the material base they use. If it's military trials and a bunch of designers from the same place compete, they will use whatever the top-of-the-line machining and material is there in the country.
@VT-mw2zb5 жыл бұрын
@Quackers O'Brian hence, when Kalashnikov shot one of the L85, he commented "Your soliders must be quite clever".
@royaluglydude88385 жыл бұрын
The British problem is a lack of choice. There are very few manufactuers to contend for any given tender; L85 was probably the only submission to have any chance of being considered as the decision making is always done ultimately by politicians (who may have no military experience) and not by military personnel. No British politician would ever be re-elected if they chose a foreign design over a homegrown one, so while licence built M16s or C7s would be way better they just couldn't happen. What ultimately happens is that we get a bag of arse weapon (L85A1) that is bad enough to raise tabloid press uproar and then be fixed at enormous cost to end up being perfectly adequate (L85A2) but with a lingering poor reputation. It looks weird, but is very accurate, very reliable (or at least mine was) but a bit heavy, but that's what pushups are for and no soldier would ever admit to having trouble carrying his weapon...
@ASPushkin513 жыл бұрын
The table in Russian shown at 17:09 gives standard deviation of 9.4 cm not at 100 meters, but at 500. At 100 meters the deviation is 1.8 cm, which is 3/4" . This is 0.7 MOA, not 3 MOA, as the Russian expert claims while commenting on the table. 0.7 MOA deviation = 1.4 MOA group size.
@Heinrich_Hyper145 жыл бұрын
The SVU and it's Full Auto Version reminds me of the FG42 in concept
@thehungrygerman94345 жыл бұрын
The audio disruption at about 6:30 is due to the FBI hacking in to Ian’s call. They realised that Ian was talking to a Russian and mentioning key words like “Gun” and “Shooting”. LOL
@Wipa45 жыл бұрын
TheHungryGerman Russians did it again!!1 Another interference in american elections!!! Again US president will become a cuckold of communists!!1 trollface.jpeg
@JohnChoidotOrg5 жыл бұрын
That's not real...the American government doesn't monitor phone calls through the FBI. The American government monitors phone calls through the NSA.
@StanislavG.5 жыл бұрын
Nah, that's just Comcast
@Slyd_Fox5 жыл бұрын
@@StanislavG. "Commie-cast" ;)
@knutdergroe97575 жыл бұрын
By the by, It is not the FBI, but the NSA. The FBI is law enforcement. The NSA is electronic/tech intelligence agency.
@keithberger89985 жыл бұрын
36:24 He actually said SVCh (Snaiperskaya Vintovka Chuvakina - Chuvakin's Sniper Rifle) The new modular compact sniper rifle of the Kalashnikov Group.
@ayebraine5 жыл бұрын
Chukavina ) "Chuvakin" sounds very funny, because "chuvak" is an equivalent of "dude" in Russian. Duderino's sniper rifle.
@tsartomato5 жыл бұрын
ahahhahah SVCh basically means microwave oven and army actually does call it SVCh
@xxheartbrokexx1005 жыл бұрын
I love these videos with Max! Thanks so much Ian!
@wilsonj47055 жыл бұрын
30:29 Was anyone else hoping he would say "And Squirrel"
@johnnyenglish5835 жыл бұрын
Yeah! Beer and squirrel! 😊
@tsartomato5 жыл бұрын
squirrel?
@konstantin.v5 жыл бұрын
@@johnnyenglish583 , don't forget the wild boards! They are the worst :D
@kawauchi29185 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed this ep as always. Would be cool to have a Russian counterpart to the L96/L118/L115 episodes, and hear from Max about bolt-action precision rifles from cold war to present day like the SV-98.
@ces43995 жыл бұрын
The story of the SVD almost parallels that of the M-21 (an M-14 National Match) sniper rifle. The "special" ammo which Max discusses almost sounds like the 168 grain hollow point boat tail match ammo. The 7N1's NATO analogy sound like the M118 match ammo. Ironically, the US Army and the USMC included modified M-14s used in their respective designated marksman programs as was the purpose of the SVD.
@removedot5 жыл бұрын
Their are still M-14 based rifles being used as marksman rifles in the US military
@dbmail5455 жыл бұрын
Dragonov was a target shooter that built match grade guns. His guns were so good that the Olympics went small bore four years later.
@Schaden-freude5 жыл бұрын
@@dbmail545 probably would have more to do with the prevalence of 6.5mm Swedish Mausers that dominated the sport until the .22 switch in the 70's.
@dunadan71364 жыл бұрын
Never compare the SVD to the M21. The SVD is a cutting edge rifle for its time that manages to achieve a lot while being less than 4kg without the optic. the M21 on the other hand has never been more than a complete overhaul of a mediocre and old infantry rifle in a vain attempt to make a serviceable DMR out of it. Unlike the SVD the M21 does not work as advertised under combat conditions. It hates barrel heat even more than the SVD and is more fragile.
@jesteravrgjoe28885 жыл бұрын
His English is better that most Americans. His effort is to be commended. Thank you sir.
@jesteravrgjoe28885 жыл бұрын
Weasle How many languages do you speak?
@weasle29045 жыл бұрын
@@jesteravrgjoe2888 Spanish, and very poor German lol
@barcelona21705 жыл бұрын
I actually don’t agree with this. When speaking a different language it is not only good to speak the proper language well, but also to learn the ways the people speak the language in less formal ways. My English and Spanish is good. My Portuguese...I can survive 😂😊😊
@coltenszarek59855 жыл бұрын
Every American needs a good Russian friend. Max is good friend.
@Sugar_K5 жыл бұрын
Colten Szarek it’s good for winning elections 😂
@gavtriggs6645 жыл бұрын
Colten Szarek hahahaILIKE
@Qardo5 жыл бұрын
@@Sugar_K Psst...it was US influence that led to the collapse to the Soviet Union (plus other factors), bud. Besides if it is such a crime to have a Russian Friend. I guess Ian is guilty and should be arrested.
@johnm39075 жыл бұрын
A good friend is one that helps on moving day
@kstreet74385 жыл бұрын
@@Qardo running out of money helped too
@johncashwell10245 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this video Ian! The SVD has a fascinating history and I learned a lot. It's hard to believe the video was 39 minutes long because the time flew right by! Thank you Ian & Max!
@MarvinT06063 жыл бұрын
this video taught me that a person's chances of getting killed by a bayonet-wielding sniper is low but never zero
@dbmail5455 жыл бұрын
Max is a heckuva guy. I think I will have to get his book. He has been very good about answering my questions about Soviet small arms development.
@SpeedyDePalma5 жыл бұрын
Fascinating talk on the Dragunov. You think he could do a sit down to discuss some Soviet era shotguns such as the Toz-106 or KS-23? Not a whole lot of information out there and even less videos save for video games.
@proffski5 жыл бұрын
I had my name down for one here in the UK (obviously semi-automatic only) when we had the general big ban after Hungerford and Dumblaine... Circa 1987. I have never forgiven either government for the ban... Very sad.
@tsartomato5 жыл бұрын
semi-automatic?
@pinkpnther695 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this Ian..and Max...I love both the SVT and SVD line of rifles...I just wish we could still import them...
@Gunny19715 жыл бұрын
amen brother
@TroopperFoFo5 жыл бұрын
I know I really want an svt. I cry every time I see Canada can get them for under $500.
@winkleried5 жыл бұрын
pink_pnther_69 Right now Hungary is trying to get ATF approval for Importation of their version of the SVD built using their Soviet supplied technical package.
@Arindam_Gaming Жыл бұрын
The STALKER series of video games is one of the best Advertisements for Soviet/Russian weapons. Getting the Dragunov & using a Vintorez/VAL felt amazing.
@billdoe89656 ай бұрын
The dragunov is hands down my favorite (aesthetically) gun in the series. Looking up those two is what led me to this channel in the first place xd
@conanmccurry3392Ай бұрын
@@billdoe8965 Yes! I want to run one in CoD MW3. This is awesome!!
@dessey80865 жыл бұрын
I never thought FPS Russia would come out of hiding
@Joruzhia5 жыл бұрын
Few years in prison made him look really old.
@Hunter_3125 жыл бұрын
@@Joruzhia You're meming, right? He isn't really in jail, is he? (yeah, I'm taking the bait.)
@bodybag225 жыл бұрын
@@Hunter_312 He got caught sending hash oil (I think) to his work address and was charged with a felony, it's one of the reasons his channel is dead, felon's not being able to own firearms and all that. That and the murder of his gunsmith which is still unsolved.
@coolsenjoyer5 жыл бұрын
I hope he never does. That guy was just annoying and his Russian accent was worse than even the shittiest Hollywood shit Russian accent.
@zachdelagarza16095 жыл бұрын
Preston Henson no he’s not. Lol He is on a podcast called PKA on a channel called Woodysgamertag and that not even true at all. Lol
Always learn something when Max visits. Just another reason Forgotten Weapons is worth watching. Thanks!
@Mrgoodnyt Жыл бұрын
Always love when Ian has Max on the channel, such a wealth of knowledge on Russian firearm design that is often underappreciated or underrepresented in the west. Max is a great long form speaker and I find his talks very interesting and informative with some nice black humor thrown in. Well done to Max also on his English skills. Thanks to you both for making these videos happen they are such a fantastic resource for those interested in Russian firearm's. Cheers.
@RobinRhyne3 жыл бұрын
Max, thank you for your fascinating presentation. Ian, thank you for hosting and for being an excellent listener (a rare but vital skill).
@MrGdg19695 жыл бұрын
Many thanks to Ian and Max. Special thanks for subtitles. Of cause, I had no trouble understanding Max being Russian myself, but phone sound distortions makes any language harder to understand. Subtitles were almost perfect. If it can help, I noticed that Russian acronym for Ministry of Internal Affairs (MVD or МВД - Министерство внутренних дел) was garbled at 26:45 and 36:01. 👍👍
@DboiTheSavage5 жыл бұрын
I really respect the work you do Ian, Thanks to you and your guest.
@brucewilliams62925 жыл бұрын
Excellent work. Thank you Max for such a well researched video. Thank you Ian for having Max on the channel.
@Curtislow25 жыл бұрын
I think Max does a great job explaining Russian arms in his second language. If only half of westerns could accomplish such a feat the cold war may have been avoided or at least less dangerous. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK MAX AND IAN.
@MrGrimsmith5 жыл бұрын
I might possibly be able to give commentary on something in really bad French. My true second language is Latin which no one outside of the Vatican actually uses. Full credit to anyone that is fluent enough to get their point across in a second (or third) language.
@batman95925 жыл бұрын
There's no way i could talk for 40 minutes in my second language anywhere near the level of competence of this knowledgeable Gentleman. And i'm half Finnish...
@ekscalybur5 жыл бұрын
The Cold War was NEVER not going to happen.The Cold War became an absolute inevitability in 1917.
@Curtislow25 жыл бұрын
@@ekscalybur WITH FURTHER CONTEMPLATION ,I AGREE. The Cold War was preconceived. But it still may have been less dangerous with better communication.
@konstantin.v5 жыл бұрын
One more compliment in the comments to his excellent English and I will puke :)
@mikedertouzos9085 жыл бұрын
You're videos are done so well. Iv been a fan for over 2 years now. The history and facts are so on point that I'm constantly learning something new. Thank you for doing what you do.
@bertmacdonald3375 жыл бұрын
Another excellent video! Well done Ian and Max, I really enjoyed that ;)
@Spitsz015 жыл бұрын
Still think the SVD is one of the most iconic and sexy rifles ever. Thank you Max for this interesting and illuminating story!
@martinbuckley46985 жыл бұрын
"Variety is the spice of life". Your channel rocks!
@krzyryry83825 жыл бұрын
It great to get to hear this information from someone who actually lives and breaths in this country. I think so many times history and information gets twisted and it may not always be wrong but the context can be off. I like all of Ian’s videos but I love these with Max. They cover weapons I have always been interested in and the depth is unmatched. Thank you for bringing these to your channel. Thank you to Max for his time and efforts as well!
@djsity5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the pictures (and the captions)! Makes the video way more interesting.
@Orbytum5 жыл бұрын
This guy is on point with his conversions
@Arbiter0995 жыл бұрын
huh, do I smell a future for Max Popenker and Headstamp down the line?
@TheDandyMann5 жыл бұрын
I definitely want more content like this in the future. Keep up the great work Ian.
@gilbertopadilla36115 жыл бұрын
Loved the captions, and thank you for not constantly saying "mhmm", or "ok" after everything. You're a good overviewer. Great content as always.
@azkrouzreimertz97845 жыл бұрын
i just love listening to max talking about russian firearms development, everytime i am equally surprised at the fact that i know so little about something so fascinating
@boagart5 жыл бұрын
That was fascinating, really well put together little history lesson. Looking forward to hearing more from Max.
@mynameismin35 жыл бұрын
This was great! Thanks Ian and Max. I look forward to more videos like this with Max. Thanks again!
@DtrainTheGreat5 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate how much effort he is putting into being able to describe all of this in english. If you see this I hope you could let him know because I am truly very impressed. Definitely a high quality guest on the channel. I thought it was funny when he almost said Great Patriotic War instead of WWII.
@FW190A8UW5 жыл бұрын
Interesting, and thank Max for the history of the Dragunov!
@david051115 жыл бұрын
What a fantastic interview. Max is awesome. I loved the depth of his insight and explanation, and it really was thorough. Thanks for putting this together Ian. And Max, if you see this, thank you as well
@petesheppard17095 жыл бұрын
Another thanks to Max for taking the time to make these videos. His English is good, and it's evident that he's working hard on it.
@TheLPN05Fan5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for giving us an insight on my all time favourite DMR.
@123258143 жыл бұрын
Great video and the historical/ tactical concept of the SVD development was as interesting as the actual weapon details. Much appreciated!
@MlTGLIED5 жыл бұрын
I very enjoyed this video. Thank you very much and Max for outstanding knowledge of the svd history 👍
@phatcatmisiek5 жыл бұрын
Always enjoy Max's presentations. Great content.
@7curiogeo4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Ian and your pal Max for great history and development of this rifle.
@edwardmarhel58915 жыл бұрын
Great interview! Iain and Max, Thank you.
@gregorypaulbox30355 жыл бұрын
Thank you Ian and Max for your informative video. Forgotten Weapons has great content.
@therocinante34435 жыл бұрын
That's so crazy, I was watching your videos last night hoping you'd do a video on this weapon! That's uncanny!
@priveprive62695 жыл бұрын
Your brain has been scanned by the FSB! :-)
@tankepsilon5 жыл бұрын
I'm really glad you were able to make a contact like Max. His insight into Soviet designs is invaluable, and I hope you get to have him over to the US to shoot, maybe even for a match!
@donisys2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this Max and Ian. Very well done.
@timbaskett62995 жыл бұрын
Absolutely awesome bunch of information on the SVD family of rifles. Thank you both.
@cheSterEJ5 жыл бұрын
Ian, if you wish, I can help you with some of the transcribing of Max's audio, for you to proofread afterwards, if you want. I noticed some mistakes, or misunderstandings of his accent. I am from Latvia, my first language is Russian, and I could understand his accent quite well, and you can just check if the weapons-lingo is correct etc... ;)
@audikid895 жыл бұрын
I’ve been waiting for this video! Thanks Ian and Max
@johneastman19053 жыл бұрын
This was excellent ! It would also be nice to see these two have an in depth conversation.
@gordonormiston32335 жыл бұрын
Great video Ian and Max. Very interesting and informative on SVD history
@1TruNub5 жыл бұрын
Love your videos with Max is very informative I've learned things that never knew about Soviet rifles
@hasmatiks5 жыл бұрын
Mr Popenker is great, thank you both for these!
@r.artilesuriarte5995 жыл бұрын
I love the SVD, it was one of the first rifles I shot, learnt how to shoot a pair of years ago while I was living in Moscow.
@JohnChoidotOrg5 жыл бұрын
American here: In Moscow, are there shooting ranges where you can rent rifles to shoot or do you need to know a firearms owner to shoot -- and if so, where can you go to shoot?
@r.artilesuriarte5995 жыл бұрын
@@JohnChoidotOrg I always went to Labyrinth shooting range in Kutuzovsky Prospekt, near Gostinitsa Ukraina, 10 minute walk from Kievskaya metro station. You book it online in advance, show your passport and sign some papers if it's your first time there and pay for what you are gonna shoot (the only accept cash, prices are listed online). You'll have a range instructor with you at all times but that's the norm I for Russian ranges I guess. Overall a good experience, 50 rounds go for 2000 rubles if I remember correctly.
@jjforcebreaker5 жыл бұрын
Great to hear Max again.
@bjornsvalling10663 жыл бұрын
Many thanks to Max for this walk-through. Interesting!
@con6lex5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for having Max on. He is so knowledgable!
@loungelizard30085 жыл бұрын
That was a brilliant presentation. Subtitles made it that much better. Cheers.
@jackusmc25425 жыл бұрын
Thanks Max and Ian!
@chongli84095 жыл бұрын
MVP&NVD=MVD, ministry of internal affairs (police and such)
@Soulcaresser5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for uploading this and giving us information about this rifle. Yes please the history behind the As val/ VSS vintorev
@christopherberry44525 жыл бұрын
Outstanding, can’t wait for the next one.
@Spitsz015 жыл бұрын
The people behind S.T.A.L.K.E.R. must have known their stuff. Almost all the prototypes and bullpups are in the game! Max, did you take part in developement of the game?
@winkleried5 жыл бұрын
Wacky Tabacy Yes, he provided some technical support. The rumor is that the face of the Freedom trader Skinflint in Shadow of Chernobyl was based on Max.
@Spitsz015 жыл бұрын
@@winkleried Wow! Thank you for the reply, that is interesting!
@Max_Da_G3 жыл бұрын
@@winkleried Of Max back when he was HEAPS younger
@janwacawik74325 жыл бұрын
As always, great insight from mr Popenker.
@troubleboy5 жыл бұрын
At 8:16 it is "well before the Steyr AUG"
@RolandMaximus5 жыл бұрын
So cool to have a weapon systems development put in context. Fascinating.
@Wolfskopf5 жыл бұрын
Good video. Спасибо, Максим) Glad to hear about my hometown of Izhevsk again in some context.
@Mrgunsngear5 жыл бұрын
awesome information
@misarthim65383 жыл бұрын
Great peresentation! It's always great to hear how much thought actually goes into military arms development. Also I found it hilariously endearing how he goes "Tokarev SVT ssssssss fourty". Not being native English speaker myself, I can sympathize. Sometimes if you say something thousand times in native language it just rolls automatically:)
@rockhardin48293 жыл бұрын
Thanks Max and Ian! I LOVE
@madf00bar152 жыл бұрын
Max is a treasure, thanks for sharing him with us!
@lloyddeel82795 жыл бұрын
The captions are great. Also would love to hear about any history on any Russian firearms from him. Amazing stuff loved it.
@jfrorn5 жыл бұрын
Excellent, really enjoyed that. This gentleman really knows how to explain the history...in a foreign language!
@johnnyenglish5835 жыл бұрын
Great video, thanks to both of you!
@danysniper225 жыл бұрын
This was awesome, more of Max!
@MadJustin75 жыл бұрын
This is like an episode of "Tales of the Gun" I miss the old history channel
@shawnr7715 жыл бұрын
@@sidharthcs2110 keyword in your statement was NOT pawnshops.
@JanoTuotanto5 жыл бұрын
"What are the mysterious origins of the SVD design? Does it come from this world ? Or did we receive it from the aliens ? ... "
@sandrobruni75753 жыл бұрын
@@sidharthcs2110 forged in fire is awesome though
@AlphaSierra3753 жыл бұрын
Very fascinating history on this rifle! Every mechanism worked and honed like a fine steel bade, in a symphony to orchestrate the same action but each orchestra with its own harmonic signature imparted into the group down range. Perhaps the most amazing of humans' inventions.
@beaker1265 жыл бұрын
Always nice to see Max.
@normtrooper43925 жыл бұрын
"expected to participate in bayonet charges" that one is a great statement
@MarvinT06063 жыл бұрын
"Tovarisch-Serzhant, the enemy are getting closer! Your orders?" *"Fix bayonets"* "What-" "What?"
@MrZeRMiuNT5 жыл бұрын
awesome! thanks for such detailed history of SVD.
@andrewwaterman92405 жыл бұрын
Love these Max videos!
@Kikker8615 жыл бұрын
Very detailed and interesting! Awesome video.
@NinjaSquirrel303 жыл бұрын
Great insight an interview. Dragunov awesome beautiful test of time sniper rifle.
@neilwilson57855 жыл бұрын
This guy is great to listen to. Lots of knowledge.
@steelhammer965 жыл бұрын
holy hell, this was interesting! please more of this
@laheu5 жыл бұрын
Knowledgeable and engaging guest. Didn't personally need the subtitles, his presentation style is great; robust knowledge of Western arms development too.
@tiortedrootsky5 жыл бұрын
17:16 the most valuable information on the table is that on 500 meters 50% of the shots will go in rectangular area with this dimentions: 29 centimeters (11.4 inches) horizontally, and 29 centimeters vertically. The table shows vertical (2 column) and horizontal (3 column) *median deviation*, and vertical (3 column) and horizontal (4 column) *core stripes* for given range. Here is what it means (as i understand it): There is circle or ellipse of all the impact marks of shots fired (statisticly relevant amount, no less than 10, a few dozens is ok). We measure so to say coordinates, horizontal and vertical of every impact mark. *Horizontal median deviation* is *half* of the width of a rectangular area, that contains 50% of all the impact marks, 25% to the left of point of aim, and 25% to the right (the gun is zeroed properly). This area goes from top to bottom of the circle/ellipse of all impact marks. *Vertical median deviation* is *half* of the hight of a rectangular area, that contains 50% of all the impact marks 25% above of point of aim, and 25% below. 3 and 4 column shows *vertical and horizontal core stripes* (dont know the proper english word for it). Its similar to vertical and horizontal median deviation, but its *full width* of a rectangular area, that contains 70% of all the impacts. Intersection of vertical and horizontal core stripes gives rectangular area, that contains 50% of impacts. It called *core dispersion* (again, dont know the proper english words)
@Azerai2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for explaining, I'm from the US and had trouble translating what the table meant by "core stripes" If I understand you, this table isn't measuring something like "MOA" but rather it is measuring the concentration of the majority of shots fired (Maxim uses the example of 30 shots fired). A statistical representation of dispersion using both median deviation and core stripes, which cannot be easily translated into something like MOA.
@tiortedrootsky2 жыл бұрын
Correct. It seems that this 50% of impacts values are suppose to be closer to what you can expect to get in real life. Similar to shooting a few 5-9 shot groups, discarting "fliers" and maybe especially bad group and counting this as your MOA accuracy. So different take on getting more practical kind of data.
@philippefrater20005 жыл бұрын
My jaws dropped while seeing how many versions of this riffle existed! What a learning session it was! Thanks a lot Ian! Thanks a lot Max! 🖖🏻🇫🇷😎🇫🇷🤪🇫🇷🖖🏻