Hitchens v. Hitchens: Faith, Politics, and War

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April 3, 2008 - Brothers Christopher and Peter Hitchens debate the Iraq War and religion at an event organized by the Hauenstein Center for Presidential Studies with support from the Center for Inquiry and the Interfaith Dialogue Association. For more information on this debate, visit www.allpresidents.org

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@markauckland666
@markauckland666 10 ай бұрын
imagine living your life with the first question you ever get asked is "Are you Christopher Hitchens brother? "
@Star-hg1kt
@Star-hg1kt 9 ай бұрын
Cringe
@FitratAbdulla
@FitratAbdulla 8 ай бұрын
Little Hitch must’ve spent his wasteful life to be compared to his legend of a brother! Then he comes and attacks his brother only to be taught a lesson yet again by the bigger brother 👍😂
@fayrefitness5416
@fayrefitness5416 7 ай бұрын
Even worse...imagine your kids introducing themselves as Christopher Hitchens' nieces and nephews. 😂
@nosteinnogate7305
@nosteinnogate7305 11 ай бұрын
1:03 Hitchens sitting on his throne like god damn Thanos.
@contempris2383
@contempris2383 2 жыл бұрын
Always nice to see family Thanksgiving arguments performed on stage.
@michaelblazejewski6121
@michaelblazejewski6121 2 жыл бұрын
😂
@seivaDsugnA
@seivaDsugnA Жыл бұрын
Just a two on the "Jerry Springer" scale. And that's just because you know they've physically fought each other at some point, indeed possibly for years. It may have even involved cuppafarts.
@karimmaasri1723
@karimmaasri1723 Жыл бұрын
P
@ChannelMath
@ChannelMath 11 ай бұрын
you can tell they can still have fun together despite genuinely thinking the other is delusional, because they both think yelling over the Thanksgiving table (or whatever day) IS fun
@contempris2383
@contempris2383 11 ай бұрын
@Jbat-xf5pv Will you lighten up weirdo
@victorrodrigues5448
@victorrodrigues5448 2 жыл бұрын
Hitchens clearly won the debate.
@BioStuff415
@BioStuff415 2 жыл бұрын
he won before started - they both Hitchens. But I wager you are referring to Christopher.
@navidvarzeghani2789
@navidvarzeghani2789 2 жыл бұрын
@@BioStuff415 Peter won
@PeboPz
@PeboPz 2 жыл бұрын
@@BioStuff415 I'd wager he's making a joke actually
@adeadgirl13
@adeadgirl13 2 жыл бұрын
You're wrong! Hitchens clearly won! Hitchens was rubbish!
@andrewtuttle9682
@andrewtuttle9682 2 жыл бұрын
This is getting out of hand, now there are two of them
@luckylarry71
@luckylarry71 8 ай бұрын
I lost this when Peter went on about the worship of Moloch and Ashtoreth in Britain and you could hear Christopher laughing his ass off in the background 😂 It's so wholesome that these two are actual brothers, arguing on such profound topics in front of a literate and genuinely invested crowd, but still mange to ever so slightly crack each other up.
@soggybiscotti8425
@soggybiscotti8425 8 ай бұрын
What about 1:08:53 Christopher absolutely annihilates Peter about his column being smaller and less renown and important than his and sent him straight to the emergency room, directly to the burn unit. You can literally hear the hurt feelings in Peter's voice when he replies with "However widely syndicated I am, I wouldn't want it there" as he slinks back into his brothers shadow haha. It was a bit harsh but it was absolutely hilarious. That's what he gets for trying to bring up personal s**t lol. Peter started the fight with his attempt at an answer to Christopher's challenge with a personal story, but Christopher ended the fight with one that landed like a God damn 747
@krissmith7
@krissmith7 8 ай бұрын
Haha yep the sudden laugh is fantastic.
@myyoutube7144
@myyoutube7144 4 ай бұрын
​@@soggybiscotti8425The biggest problem was Peter's answer to Hitchens's challenge was nonsensical. He stated something an atheist chose not to do, (his words) not something they couldn't do.
@SM-fk5or
@SM-fk5or Ай бұрын
They hated each other
@jamesmay1900
@jamesmay1900 2 жыл бұрын
🎵 We're brothers... we're happy and debating and we're scholars🎵
@transmogriff
@transmogriff 2 жыл бұрын
🤣😂🤣🎷
@indianumberonecountry
@indianumberonecountry 2 жыл бұрын
Bru 😂😂 what movie is the one that goes ‘were brothers we are happy and were singing and were colored’
@Brush19138
@Brush19138 2 жыл бұрын
@@indianumberonecountry The Wayans Brothers. It's a TV show.
@zacktrever1878
@zacktrever1878 2 жыл бұрын
Give me a high-five (or at least I remember it that way)
@airforcepac
@airforcepac Жыл бұрын
Brotherly love & sibling rivalry at its finest. RIP Cristopher. You've made me think.
@skinnie2838
@skinnie2838 11 ай бұрын
Hitchens is a creationist now. Sad how many people he brought to hell with him...
@YourTripleScorpio
@YourTripleScorpio 2 ай бұрын
​@@skinnie2838St. Pete will damn you?
@rafaeldiromano2085
@rafaeldiromano2085 2 жыл бұрын
Xmas dinner at the Hitchens family must've been a joy to attend. Perhaps not always for the parents of these two gentlemen. Lovely to listen to and amusing at times too
@brettthompson6965
@brettthompson6965 2 жыл бұрын
Sure miss this guy. The world would be in a better place if Christoper Hitchens was still with us.
@skinnie2838
@skinnie2838 Жыл бұрын
Hitchens is a creationist now. Sad how many people he brought to hell with him...
@GuardianSoulkeeper
@GuardianSoulkeeper Жыл бұрын
​@@skinnie2838He's dead you idiot.
@neoyokvio
@neoyokvio Жыл бұрын
@@skinnie2838 you're weird...
@Chris-we7hh
@Chris-we7hh Жыл бұрын
The western world is unironically in a worst place due to his fervent antitheism and his influence on millennial youths that are now taking over positions in the west. Wokeism is the new religion replacing Christianity, anything the latter holds dear like humility and conservativism is now evil. Now blatant Satanism is accepted. Hedonism, gluttony and greed, along with the seven deadly sins, replaced Christian core values. Traditional man and woman is replaced by 50+ genders, men can now become women, and something that was treated as a joke before like two-spirit and furries are becoming legitimate identity. And then the endgame of it all, the so-called MAPs, is slowly coming to fruition... Quite fitting though that the hateful atheist Christopher died early while the former socialist and reformed conservative Peter still lives.
@borninvincible
@borninvincible 11 ай бұрын
@@skinnie2838lmao y'all bible thumpers have no power here
@JAGrubbs11
@JAGrubbs11 9 ай бұрын
Ppl often ask who I’d have dinner with dead or alive.. my answer has never changed over 10 years.. Christopher would be an honor to pick his brain
@Reignor99
@Reignor99 2 жыл бұрын
It's hilarious to watch 2 famous intellectuals endure sibling rivalry on a world stage.
@soggybiscotti8425
@soggybiscotti8425 8 ай бұрын
Well.... one famous intellectual. And his little brother occasionally pops out from under his big brothers shadow. Hehe
@myyoutube7144
@myyoutube7144 4 ай бұрын
One famous intellectual and his younger brother.
@MarcusN-kp1jn
@MarcusN-kp1jn Ай бұрын
*1 intellectual, 1 pseudo intellectual
@jameswallace7494
@jameswallace7494 Жыл бұрын
I learned some very important history from this debate. Thank you, brothers, for your points of perception.
@ashleelmb
@ashleelmb Жыл бұрын
I like Peter but his S whistles are slightely irritating.
@WilbertLek
@WilbertLek Жыл бұрын
I'm not sad enough to borrow happiness from a fairy tale that tells me I'm special.
@seivaDsugnA
@seivaDsugnA Жыл бұрын
I think it's comfort from fear that's borrowed, not "happiness".
@gowsif_dnb
@gowsif_dnb 11 ай бұрын
​@@seivaDsugnA it's neither
@krissmith7
@krissmith7 8 ай бұрын
No it tells you you’re not special. That’s the point :)
@BobDingus-bh3pd
@BobDingus-bh3pd 5 ай бұрын
I don’t fear death. I fear living in ignorance of a higher power. I can live with finding that there was no purpose. I can’t live with finding that there was purpose while I went on without it.
@PigBenis4U
@PigBenis4U 5 ай бұрын
If a religion tells you to cut the penis of newborn children, then it's bad.
@chrispywilliams1992
@chrispywilliams1992 2 жыл бұрын
From 1:56:13 on CH has a great moment and great answer that gets better as it goes along
@ttrestle
@ttrestle 7 ай бұрын
01:51:24 - because atheism is not a side. Atheism just means that you see no evidence that any gods exist. Just because you’re an atheist just like if you didn’t believe in unicorns, or didn’t believe in fairies, because there was no evidence does not mean that you have a set series of belief systems. meaning if I didn’t believe in unicorns, it did not mean automatically that you understood what I believed about morals or ethics or politics, etc. I just don’t understand why Christians and why religious people can’t understand this basic point. And I also disappointed that Christopher Hitchins did not make this point to the audience.
@XOXO-mb2vh
@XOXO-mb2vh 2 жыл бұрын
I can't wait to see who our future awesome thinkers will be. So many classics have passed away🍿
@West-rn-showvn-ist-chick
@West-rn-showvn-ist-chick 2 жыл бұрын
There won’t be any.. have you seen the decay of and censorship of critical thinking these days? If you’re not allowed to offend anyone you lose the ability to hear different sides to things.. Vaccine injuries are being censored, the horrors of the Islamic faith are being censored, criticizing ANYTHING is being censored! They have SAFE SPACES in Universities of all places.. THE place where you are supposed to have debates and because people are so easily offended these days there are no debates.. Your not allowed to voice differing opinions.. If you say men can’t be women and shouldn’t be allowed to perform in biological women’s sports you are at risk of being fired for your job or kicked out of your university.. So if there are enlightened great thinkers we won’t be able to access them.. Hitchens would have been cancelled in today’s time..
@aaronbryant8074
@aaronbryant8074 2 жыл бұрын
@@West-rn-showvn-ist-chick Your reply sums it up, but not how intended...it's the kneecaping of education from a young age until adulthood. Groups in power (corporate, religious and military institutions along with right and left leaning fanatics) have pushed legitimate education to the side for emotional and instinctual reliability in the systems of control. Now instead of proven science religious "doubt" is allowed to be an option. Instead of proven mathematics " personal opinion" is allowed to be an option...all because people are uncomfortable with acceptance of the fact they don't know what they are talking about.
@Slippindisc
@Slippindisc 2 жыл бұрын
We don’t and won’t have any. If we do it will be a miracle. Anybody pushed forward by the current media and education system will simply be good at regurgitation of the party line.
@johnpineda9373
@johnpineda9373 2 жыл бұрын
Peter was right
@joshuadc82
@joshuadc82 2 жыл бұрын
Christopher has the silver tongue but Peter has the lamp of wisdom. This is one of the greatest debates ever.
@videogreats4442
@videogreats4442 2 жыл бұрын
Perfectly said.....! Wisdom over Words.
@skinnie2838
@skinnie2838 Жыл бұрын
Hitchens is a creationist now. Sad how many people he brought to hell with him...
@neoyokvio
@neoyokvio Жыл бұрын
@@skinnie2838 you're weird...
@gowsif_dnb
@gowsif_dnb 11 ай бұрын
​@@neoyokviohe's right. Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess.
@neoyokvio
@neoyokvio 11 ай бұрын
@@gowsif_dnb sure buddy
@TheGregcawthorne
@TheGregcawthorne Жыл бұрын
Christopher Hitchnens was EXTRA sassy here!
@TheDwarfShortage
@TheDwarfShortage 4 жыл бұрын
Frasier vs Niles
@kingoffire9373
@kingoffire9373 2 жыл бұрын
Love this comment! "I'll write an expose on your expose!"
@TheFormerkgbchief
@TheFormerkgbchief 2 жыл бұрын
Really not
@sfms952
@sfms952 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheFormerkgbchief
@sfms952
@sfms952 2 жыл бұрын
@Kelly Smunt Oh my bad. *UAPs
@danielmoose1273
@danielmoose1273 8 күн бұрын
Precisely(!) ... With The 'Niles' One Being Equally Irritating Here 🙂. Christopher Is Immeasurably And Sorely Missed.
@bretttheroux8040
@bretttheroux8040 Жыл бұрын
Hitchens definitely won the debate
@DW-indeed
@DW-indeed 11 ай бұрын
Ohhh I'm only half way through and you've ruined it
@skinnie2838
@skinnie2838 11 ай бұрын
Hitchens is a creationist now. Sad how many people he brought to hell with him...
@elsacollins3207
@elsacollins3207 2 жыл бұрын
Peter Hitchens, a big thank you! for putting a complain to BBC on the 2018 Douma chemical attack in Syria report by the BBC, whic had serious inacuracies. You are our voice! All our respect and admiratuon for you! From Elsa and family.
@ryngobrody1627
@ryngobrody1627 2 жыл бұрын
Can anyone tell me what Peter said at 1:29:40? I didn't understand the word.
@shannon3944
@shannon3944 2 жыл бұрын
"I think I can now return the accusation". Is that the part?
@courtneyd9438
@courtneyd9438 2 жыл бұрын
Very entertaining and gave me a lot to think about!
@N3Rd32
@N3Rd32 2 жыл бұрын
Immense respect for both these gentlemen. RIP to Christopher. Very missed and loved.
@skinnie2838
@skinnie2838 Жыл бұрын
Hitchens is a creationist now. Sad how many people he brought to hell with him...
@N3Rd32
@N3Rd32 Жыл бұрын
@@skinnie2838 You sound both mad and ignorant. Lol
@GuardianSoulkeeper
@GuardianSoulkeeper Жыл бұрын
​@@skinnie2838He's dead you idiot.
@neoyokvio
@neoyokvio Жыл бұрын
​@@skinnie2838 you're weird...
@MS-np2nf
@MS-np2nf 11 ай бұрын
@@neoyokvio hes right
@katarinahinsey3931
@katarinahinsey3931 2 жыл бұрын
"An idealistic war for the best of reasons " how naive can you be
@lordthicknipples6633
@lordthicknipples6633 2 жыл бұрын
Idealism is where thought is the form of history and everything. If idealism were true, religion would not only be true, but religiously motivated war would be justified. Dubya summoned Billy Graham to do just that.
@doittoit4116
@doittoit4116 2 жыл бұрын
I wish this man was still with us!
@poozer1986
@poozer1986 2 жыл бұрын
Me too
@Samn3212
@Samn3212 Жыл бұрын
@@poozer1986 wait a minute…
@aprylvanryn5898
@aprylvanryn5898 Жыл бұрын
me 3
@AG-io5wr
@AG-io5wr Жыл бұрын
Good on you mate 😂
@russellcampbell3500
@russellcampbell3500 2 жыл бұрын
brilliant debate. would love to pick this man's brain.
@NO-GAMES
@NO-GAMES 2 жыл бұрын
Bet it tastes like chicken.
@maxclive2138
@maxclive2138 2 жыл бұрын
I bet Christmas dinner in that house was interesting.
@KoalaBear499
@KoalaBear499 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine their poor mother!
@TheStanley1000
@TheStanley1000 2 жыл бұрын
They hated eachother, they wouldnt spend xmas dinner for most of their adult life
@TheStanley1000
@TheStanley1000 Жыл бұрын
@@KoalaBear499 They were very young when their mother killed herself !
@FannyShmellar
@FannyShmellar Жыл бұрын
@@TheStanley1000 They didn’t hate each other, they just disagreed on many issues. Lots of that seems to be down to the fact that Peter looked up to his brother and respected him, and wanted to come out of his shadow so decided to take the opposite view of his brother on many issues.
@TheStanley1000
@TheStanley1000 Жыл бұрын
@@FannyShmellar WRONG ! Read both of their work and memoirs, you will understand what and why they disagree on many issues. And the vile comment of Christopher on his brother should maybe make you understand who's jealous of who. Nice psychology shot, but cheap one
@ericstrattendgtmy
@ericstrattendgtmy 2 жыл бұрын
“Many are called(everyone) but few are chosen”. For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. ..”
@creakycracker
@creakycracker 2 жыл бұрын
One thing I find with these debates is how easy it is to forget that God exists outside of Time. "Why does God allow death, suffering or injustice?" is a question asked by folks who don't realize He knows everything that has, is, or will happen. The end of this realm has already been chronicled in Revelation. It is like reading the book and telling the ending to everyone going in to see the latest blockbuster film . My mother loved me but she let me pull the cat's tail until I got scratched and by her not intervening I learned to leave the cat alone. We are immortal souls living in temporal bodies and this life is not forever. Eternal suffering is inestimably worse.
@susieh9515
@susieh9515 2 жыл бұрын
We need to Spiritually. Get in tune with our iner power. Learn about ur chakras. Opwen our minds break out of the matrix. We have been indoctrinated far to long time to break out. Unlearn what they what they taught us in school. Everything but basically mathematics to a certain degree. Like dinosaurs not real. Look up tataria mudflood.
@cheddarbeansoup
@cheddarbeansoup 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that absolute makes no sense
@rsr789
@rsr789 Жыл бұрын
@@creakycracker Demonstrably prove your claims, or STFU.
@DannisTheManace
@DannisTheManace Жыл бұрын
Many < everyone
@arcagebuttons5987
@arcagebuttons5987 2 жыл бұрын
Will it be brother against brother here too!? Tell me if you know this quote.
@caroljohanson2807
@caroljohanson2807 2 жыл бұрын
I do recall that quote from the Revelations, King James Bible. When I was a child I could not imagine that could be. I have two brothers who love one another and to see them fall away would be heartbreaking. But it’s happening all over the world. This feels like the end times spoken if in the end of the Bible. All mankind has heard the word and we are becoming Globalized. The end of physical money Surveillance states and persecution of Christians. Earthquake Fires Floods Murder Human trafficking The feasts of Satan on humans Desecration of families It’s very compelling to see the prophecies coming to be present
@arcagebuttons5987
@arcagebuttons5987 2 жыл бұрын
@@caroljohanson2807 nope that's no where I got it from.
@pedrocostaesilva7239
@pedrocostaesilva7239 2 жыл бұрын
War is just business
@stevebrindle1724
@stevebrindle1724 2 жыл бұрын
Peters comments about the breakdown in manners and common decency to each other in the UK apply only to London and the south! In the north of England, we say thank you to the bus driver for taking us to our destination and open doors for people carrying things etc, etc!
@EdwardBrackstoneFilms
@EdwardBrackstoneFilms 2 жыл бұрын
As a fellow northerner I have noticed a decline in that albeit a small one
@johnwhorfin5150
@johnwhorfin5150 2 жыл бұрын
peter i see now was pre rehearsed, like a travell ing side show
@pugz9220
@pugz9220 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnwhorfin5150 Is an absolute
@abb5596
@abb5596 2 жыл бұрын
No it's just London, northerners are considered generally rude by southerners. London is not considered England anymore in the south
@imma5269
@imma5269 2 жыл бұрын
Disagree pretty hard bruv
@lanmola
@lanmola 2 жыл бұрын
for the love of god, please take away his clicky pen
@lilianfowler7988
@lilianfowler7988 Жыл бұрын
Peter doesn't understand empathy. It isn't God that tells me things are wrong it is my empathy. Because of abuse by my parents I have little empathy for myself. This has nothing to do with religion but my own experiences.
@bono894
@bono894 Жыл бұрын
Who determines that is “wrong”? In your worldview the only reason it’s wrong to do that is based on your arbitrary notion of right and wrong. You have nothing but a circular argument, it’s wrong because it’s wrong.
@BiggyJimbo
@BiggyJimbo Жыл бұрын
​​@@bono894 I would prefer to live in a world where people use their own moral compass and think critically , as opposed to those who require the direction of an omnipotent dictator to function.
@bono894
@bono894 Жыл бұрын
@@BiggyJimbo What if my moral compass comes to the conclusion that might makes right? I’m stronger therefore I’m right and morally justified even if I want to victimize and exploit others for my own benefit.
@BiggyJimbo
@BiggyJimbo Жыл бұрын
@@bono894I have a feeling you may be playing devil's advocate. Some (I'd imagine a minority) may come to that conclusion, yes. You are right that with this worldview, there is nothing objective to indicate whether something is right or wrong. In a world without a celestial dictatorship, there would be free will. However, I'd still rather live in that world than one where people don't question authority. Human beings are naturally social creatures. While a few would take advantage of others at any given opportunity, I'd like to believe that the majority of people have an innate moral compass that would tell them not to kill, murder, or steal. Human society is fundamentally reliant on such values to function symbiotically. Are you suggesting that only the fear of god and his commandments can instill these values in society? If it were somehow proven that God wasn't real, do you really think that the world would suddenly descend into self-centered chaos? I find it unlikely. Maybe I'm wrong, but I do not think that deep down we are all violent psychopaths.
@bono894
@bono894 Жыл бұрын
@@BiggyJimbo We already know that in a godless society like in Nazi Germany that the majority did in fact agree with the genocide and eugenics program of Hitler. In modern America we have millions of people who think murdering infants in the womb is perfectly fine. But how does a majority rule argue for objectivity? It’s like saying that because most people before Copernicus believed that the sun orbited the Earth therefore they were right. Consensus doesn’t determine truth.
@simbad909
@simbad909 2 жыл бұрын
Wow such restraint ..well done
@robertdavidson9393
@robertdavidson9393 Жыл бұрын
Par excellent debate!
@Ano-Nymous
@Ano-Nymous Жыл бұрын
As much as I love to listen to the other topics of debates he took part in it's kinda sad to see Christopher argue for the politics of this war. And as we know by now his arguments didn't age well. The decision to invade had nothing to do with bringing freedom to the iraqis, but with Saddam's decision to make the Euro the currency to pay for his oil instead of sticking to the US dollar. It's hilarious to even make such an argument as if the US military complex is interested in anything like freedom or human rights at all. Nevertheless he was a brilliant mind, may he rest in peace.
@stevebrindle1724
@stevebrindle1724 2 жыл бұрын
History since this debate has shown us that even a man as outwardly intelligent as C.H. can be utterly wrong!
@itzyourbwoytchybooxuur6475
@itzyourbwoytchybooxuur6475 2 жыл бұрын
How so mate?
@stephenzavatski8016
@stephenzavatski8016 2 жыл бұрын
@@itzyourbwoytchybooxuur6475 what Peter said, the justifications he uses for Iraq can be applied other nations. Hitchens maintains that it has to be all four that he mentions, but any one can be seen as a justification. It was always about central banking and his opposition to it, just like Gaddafi, Hitler, etc.
@johnsmith1474
@johnsmith1474 2 жыл бұрын
Is that supposed to be a surprise? If catching him out as wrong on an issue is all you got, you got nothing on him you don't have on everyone.
@Slippindisc
@Slippindisc 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnsmith1474 it just seemed to be an observation man. The guy isn’t like a religious figure for you or something is he?
@MattSingh1
@MattSingh1 2 жыл бұрын
@@stephenzavatski8016 oh dear: brown-shirt populist arguments. *You're a babbling fool. Christopher made the likes of you (and your sophomoric arguments) look like a total buffoon.*
@tommyvictorbuch6960
@tommyvictorbuch6960 Жыл бұрын
It was always only a matter of time, before the two brothers turned on each other. Strong stuff.
@Beesmakelifegoo
@Beesmakelifegoo 4 ай бұрын
Absolutely amazing! Thanks. Yes,yes, Religion has to GO
@elirien4264
@elirien4264 2 жыл бұрын
I think Christopher's real beef isn't so much with "god" but with RELIGION.
@johnsmith1474
@johnsmith1474 2 жыл бұрын
Both actually. His beef is with the acceptance of and subordination to the supernatural in any form whatsoever, outside as a curiosity in individual minds. Particularly when it leads to that acceptance of the supernatural being put forth as policy or education ie taken as gospel.
@ToyDirigible
@ToyDirigible 2 жыл бұрын
I'm a believer in God and I agree with Christopher. I see God as at best an incompetent creator and at worst a malevolent overlord
@AndrewFosterSheff69
@AndrewFosterSheff69 2 жыл бұрын
@@ToyDirigible Ironically, God loves you so much, he won't force you to be in heaven with him if you don't want to go. Good luck in the other place!
@ToyDirigible
@ToyDirigible 2 жыл бұрын
@@AndrewFosterSheff69 Thanks buddy, as long as it gets me away from zealous idiots like you.
@niccolea2086
@niccolea2086 2 жыл бұрын
I think he’s pretty much said that.
@edwardgriffin3922
@edwardgriffin3922 2 жыл бұрын
Looks like Peter has been vindicated as the Afghan debacle has now also shown
@EiziEizz
@EiziEizz 2 жыл бұрын
C Hitchens didnt appreciate enough that the enemy (Christian right neocons) of my enemy (Pisslam) is not my friend.
@johnsmith1474
@johnsmith1474 2 жыл бұрын
Afghanistan has been an extremely minor war based on it's scope. The trick in it is that the operators have allowed the cost to run up to create a self sustaining profit center for the investor class. Minimum soldiers, maximum cost per day. This is business not war.
@columanderson6079
@columanderson6079 2 жыл бұрын
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@rath6599
@rath6599 2 жыл бұрын
He definitely got the last word. I'm rewatching this now, the first 30 minutes are the Idealist versus the Empiricist.
@Lousy_Bastard
@Lousy_Bastard 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnsmith1474 Yes war is a racket.
@daryljay7057
@daryljay7057 2 жыл бұрын
War is Hell is no argument! It must be terrible! Only the reason matters! Miss Chris!
@TleeMN
@TleeMN 2 жыл бұрын
Where was the summer Olympics that year?
@mattyice852
@mattyice852 3 жыл бұрын
Did peter ever find out their mothers background?
@woodytheduke
@woodytheduke 2 жыл бұрын
I read that it was Peter who informed CH of his jewish background
@videogreats4442
@videogreats4442 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@ndeepowder
@ndeepowder Жыл бұрын
Peter was such a that lol, we all are lucky to live in a time when Christopher's works are recorded in print and video. I salute you Christopher 👏
@gowsif_dnb
@gowsif_dnb 11 ай бұрын
😂
@MPM_News
@MPM_News 11 ай бұрын
THIS WAS BRILLIANT
@seldom_bucket
@seldom_bucket Жыл бұрын
I didn't know who peter was untill just now, im instantly reminded of ridcully meeting his brother. I think pratchett was possibly paying homage to christopher. Every now and then i find something out that adds more to sir pratchetts knowledge and insight, like the trolls seeing time backwords.
@ivajloberberov1732
@ivajloberberov1732 2 жыл бұрын
Hello from West Sacramento. As one may remember the Government Of England John Major and company were on the Television 📺 show when the John Major and company apologized to the the Folk of the United Kingdom for going to war in Iraq.......Have a good day now!
@capitalb5889
@capitalb5889 2 жыл бұрын
I don't remember actually
@aprylvanryn5898
@aprylvanryn5898 Жыл бұрын
Salam a lakum as they say in Detroit made me laugh pretty hard
@erpthompsonqueen9130
@erpthompsonqueen9130 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@TheSymphonyOfScience
@TheSymphonyOfScience 2 жыл бұрын
Huge fan of Christopher, for 10 years, at least. But lately I gravitate more and more towards Peter's point of view. Not religiously(I'm still an atheist), but politically.
@zograf4572
@zograf4572 2 жыл бұрын
Peter is far wiser than Christopher.
@Justadudeman22
@Justadudeman22 2 жыл бұрын
Might wanna pick up his religious beliefs as well. His judgement is just . As you've agreed with him much.
@johnsun3854
@johnsun3854 2 жыл бұрын
Christopher was wrong on everything here. Pure emotionalism, deflections and straw man arguments. Hard to believe he is considered an intellectual with such disregard of trying to find truth. Oh yea, he must be a postmodernist...
@copyninja8756
@copyninja8756 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnsun3854 Nah hes a smart man no need to throw him out because you disagree. Gotta learn to transcend shallow dichotomies
@taterpuddin2592
@taterpuddin2592 2 жыл бұрын
You agree more with Christopher when you're young, and Peter when you mature. That's what happened to me at least.
@cowafungus8104
@cowafungus8104 2 жыл бұрын
Kids be like ....."Bethesda! I know *that* word"
@UltraAwesomeSauce12
@UltraAwesomeSauce12 2 жыл бұрын
Not sure what skyrim has to do with this debate but I'll listen and find out
@labornurse
@labornurse 2 жыл бұрын
I hear it and think "hospital". I'm a nurse though.
@jakeschlachter3104
@jakeschlachter3104 Жыл бұрын
45:20 he seemed truly surprised at the people clapping, lol. “Stop that!”😂
@Birdieupon
@Birdieupon 9 ай бұрын
Christopher could never cope with the tables being turned.
@darrinEH
@darrinEH 2 жыл бұрын
So how IS Iraq doing today?
@myyoutube7144
@myyoutube7144 4 ай бұрын
Well, the population isn't being slaughtered in the hundreds of thousands by Saddam Hussein anymore.
@life42theuniverse
@life42theuniverse Жыл бұрын
1:29:42 If there was a designer of the universe... it isn’t any of the ones that we have designed.
@SkullKing11841
@SkullKing11841 12 жыл бұрын
CH had been for regime change in Iraq since the 1990's. He was opposed to the 1st Gulf War at that time and then saw that there were Kurdish people in Northern Iraq saying(and yelling)that Bush Senior saved them. So he went to see what it was all about. From there he had a pretty large reversal of his opinions through the 90's. He said that the intervention in Bosnia and Kosovo changed his mind about military intervention.It was no quick jump of the fence and when the facts change,so should u :)
@Cyborous
@Cyborous Жыл бұрын
1:30:49 That was a good question because quite a few Christians do believe young in earth. My grandpa and grandma are Christian and they don’t believe in dinosaurs Because they think it’s a hoax.. Even though they see dinosaur bones. I think that guy is absolutely right with his question.
@TleeMN
@TleeMN Жыл бұрын
There’s real dinosaur bones? I have never seen them.
@pkingpumpkin
@pkingpumpkin Жыл бұрын
Some Christians may believe in the young earth theory, some do not. No where in genesis does it state the "Earth is 10 000 years old" that young Earth theorists like to tout. I think that Peter is likely an "old Earth theory" kind of guy given his answer and therefore really doesn't see an issue with dinosaur fossils
@11Kralle
@11Kralle Жыл бұрын
Why should a question about what "quit a few Christians do believe" be a good question to put before Peter Hitchens? Is he supposed to rebuke or assume everything that is put to him by members of any christian sects? Most people, who believe in the literal meaning of any holy scripture do not have the mental faculties to handle said texts in their original, untranslated form. There's no tarmac, toilet-paper or typewriting in the Bible mentioned as well, so people will think these phenomena are a hoax as well? Even the technology, that is necessary to print a bible is based on scientific achievements contradicting the literal interpretation of its contents.
@gowsif_dnb
@gowsif_dnb 11 ай бұрын
​@@pkingpumpkin an honest Christian can follow the genealogies and see there are roughly 2000 years from Adam to Abraham, and roughly 2000 years from Abraham to Jesus. That would make the earth roughly 6000 years old, plus or minus a couple hundred years.
@gowsif_dnb
@gowsif_dnb 11 ай бұрын
That's mostly because language changes. The word dinosaur was invented in the 1800s. Before that, we used a different word. "Dragon" was a word used for various reptiles. It included reptiles with hip structures that results in the belly being on the ground (komodo dragons and crocodiles), reptiles with hip structures that result in them being raised off the ground (dinosaurs🦖🦕), aquatic reptiles (plesiosaurs), and flying reptiles (pterodactyls). Most indigenous histories mention living among different dinosaurs. We have cave drawings that suggest we lived alongside these creatures. The Bible mentions dragons. Behemoth and Leviathan (found in Job) sound very much like a Brontosaurus and a Plesiosaur, respectively. I'd say the evidence suggests that dinosaurs were real, and humans were familiar with them. Interestingly, we have dragon accounts all over the world. Some mention water "serpents." Some mention fiery winged serpents, similar to the biblical account found in Numbers. We think of dragons as myth, but dinosaurs as real. We have an eel that generates electricity. We have a beetle that combines and shoots chemicals out of it's backside that react reach boiling temperature, burning flesh. We have a bug that generates it's own light with 100% efficiency and zero heat loss. (Compare that to our light bulbs, which suffer from around 90% energy loss to heat) I don't know why a lizard that breathes fire is so unbelievable. They were only decided to be a myth in the last few hundred years. Some people heard all these stories of dragons and went looking for one. When they didn't find any, they concluded dragons were mythological. Interestingly enough, this was at a time when people had no concept of extinction. The belief was that if you couldn't find a creature, it never existed.
@thetruthaboutscienceandgod6921
@thetruthaboutscienceandgod6921 2 жыл бұрын
Please share my two brief videos with other people. Thank you!
@aprylvanryn5898
@aprylvanryn5898 Жыл бұрын
dang it, I'm gonna watch them
@SNORKYMEDIA
@SNORKYMEDIA Жыл бұрын
@@aprylvanryn5898 waste your time if you want to - youll regret it
@allrise3056
@allrise3056 3 жыл бұрын
Can a comrade get a year on this?
@patrickwilliams6143
@patrickwilliams6143 2 жыл бұрын
2008 I believe dear comrade.
@kristn6513
@kristn6513 2 жыл бұрын
What incredible parenting these men must have had. Peter must miss his brother emensly, as do I ✌️💙Hitchens
@teodelfuego
@teodelfuego Жыл бұрын
Hate to break it to you, but the Hitchens lost their mother when they were in their early 20s when she acted on a suicide pact she had with her lover. Their father was a distant member of the English navy. The two brothers were never close and did not like each other.
@J_Ambrus_Films
@J_Ambrus_Films Жыл бұрын
Imagine sitting at that dinner table as a kid 😀
@abelsolomon7245
@abelsolomon7245 Жыл бұрын
Christopher to his bro - in his veils of tears, made me almost choke on my peanut
@darrenleelayton6052
@darrenleelayton6052 Жыл бұрын
Oh my word, Chris didn't even show mercy to his family! Love this!
@truthaboveall7988
@truthaboveall7988 Жыл бұрын
Christopher he hated Chris
@Cyborous
@Cyborous Жыл бұрын
1:47:38 Tell to the Native Americans where the lot of them were bludgeoned if they didn’t convert and a lot of them were killed and forced to convert by Christian’s And forced to abandon their perspective and adopt their Religious viewpoints out of fear or be killed until they converted
@vanguard4065
@vanguard4065 Жыл бұрын
yeah sure
@oneoflokis
@oneoflokis 2 жыл бұрын
Spinoza wasn't an atheist, anyway. He was a pantheists.
@nevagonnasleeva8898
@nevagonnasleeva8898 2 жыл бұрын
Yes that’s what
@AghoraNath
@AghoraNath 2 жыл бұрын
Mono pan theist! Spinoza understood the possibility of the reality.
@ztrinx1
@ztrinx1 2 жыл бұрын
What is your point?
@oneoflokis
@oneoflokis 11 ай бұрын
"Pantheist", I meant!
@oneoflokis
@oneoflokis 11 ай бұрын
​@@AghoraNath"Mono pantheist". What's that? 🙂
@JayTee78NIN
@JayTee78NIN 2 жыл бұрын
Well Hitchens opening statement didn't age well lol
@RustyCohle
@RustyCohle 2 жыл бұрын
One needs to be very careful when listening to erudite, charismatic scholars, they're often so convinced of their own intelllect, their hubris leads them to get things catastrophically wrong.
@JayTee78NIN
@JayTee78NIN 2 жыл бұрын
@@RustyCohle I agree
@jewellburgener2189
@jewellburgener2189 2 жыл бұрын
No
@richardmillward3898
@richardmillward3898 2 жыл бұрын
@@RustyCohle as opposed to listening to utter morons who are wrong about almost everything they say.
@GozerTheGozerian
@GozerTheGozerian 11 ай бұрын
Hitchens had some good points, but Hitchens effortlessly refuted those points and offered counterpoints which Hitchens was not able to handle. This is a tough one, but I'd say Hitchens probably won this one.
@richardsmart1496
@richardsmart1496 8 ай бұрын
Rubbish.. Hitchens won obviously his heart felt points made sense to me.
@jasoncharrier7940
@jasoncharrier7940 8 ай бұрын
This comment is simple yet hilarious 😂
@TheGregcawthorne
@TheGregcawthorne Жыл бұрын
I feel like when Peter pops his cloggs, the headlines are going to mention his brother front and centre. Wouldnt be able to get out of his shadow, even in death.
@Inigo_The_Son
@Inigo_The_Son 11 ай бұрын
It boggles the mind that seemingly intelligent people can base their lives on a fairy tale.
@pauls2613
@pauls2613 2 жыл бұрын
This is like watching oasis have some sort of clash
@reedermusic3927
@reedermusic3927 2 жыл бұрын
lmao. its the same energy
@IndigenousHebrew
@IndigenousHebrew 2 жыл бұрын
@1:10:00 the Ancient Hebrews existed. Written in all of Ancient Afro-Asiatic History. Listening to the rhetoric of the descendants of fallen Angels is the biggest problem the world must overcome
@maryronan9758
@maryronan9758 2 жыл бұрын
Ephesians 6:12
@mgoswick9250
@mgoswick9250 2 жыл бұрын
A house divided against itself, CANNOT stand. HOPEFULLY THERE NOT LIVING TOGETHER.
@TerryUniGeezerPeterson
@TerryUniGeezerPeterson 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, Hitchens Hitch-slapped Hitchens!
@BloggerMusicMan
@BloggerMusicMan 11 ай бұрын
I'm rewatching this debate after about 10 years. I agree with Peter Hitchens generally on both issues debated, but Christopher Hitchens' skill in debate is unlike anything I've ever seen.
@JAGrubbs11
@JAGrubbs11 9 ай бұрын
I feel as if Christopher’s view of religion is truly needed today as a holy war erupts across the Middle East, as he said “we must leave religion behind.” Imagine where we would be if we truly valued secularism and intellectual honesty? The lives saved, the minds of children saved .. sad to see man.
@user-vt4hd8hb4v
@user-vt4hd8hb4v 11 ай бұрын
The way they went back and forth, Christopher being the smug brother and Peter the easily unsettled one was hillarious 😂this was partly a stage comedy
@Mushin367
@Mushin367 2 ай бұрын
The thing is this isn’t an act, Peter is actually quick to lose his cool and Christopher was significantly more emotionally stable.
@deancyrus1
@deancyrus1 11 ай бұрын
51:59 port and starboard don't change when the ship moves 😂
@soggybiscotti8425
@soggybiscotti8425 8 ай бұрын
"However widely I was syndicated, I wouldn't want it there!" :,( 1:08:53 Bahahaha, you can literally hear his poor little heart break as he gets destroyed by his big brother and slinks back into Christopher's shadow lol. What a legend, and that grin on his face. He knows that stung baaad. RIP to a true legend. What a savage. Little brother is still healing from that word lashing.
@krissmith7
@krissmith7 8 ай бұрын
Hitchens won this easily.
@sarabhabib1003
@sarabhabib1003 2 жыл бұрын
It does not matter who won the debate. 10 years after this debate, we have lost the war, our nations honor, and 8000 American lives and we left Americans behind… living Americans. Our politicians have fucked us… again.
@Gitarman581
@Gitarman581 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder how many Christian nurses, doctors, pharmacists, etc.were taking care of his health, and what kind of hospitals cared for him: Baptist, Presbyterian, Lutheran, Methodist, Jewish, Catholic? He doesn’t mention all the good ‘religious’ hospitals do.
@krissmith7
@krissmith7 8 ай бұрын
I wonder how many were atheist too. What a stupid comment. Maybe they were religious but shouldn’t have done their job because of a person’s opposing beliefs? That would have been a lovely ‘love thy neighbour’ mentality wouldn’t it?
@rick3126
@rick3126 5 ай бұрын
I’m sure his family received a bill for his care.
@eselindalie
@eselindalie Жыл бұрын
I love you, ❤️Christopher. You’re always adored. Why is there something or nothing? 😂
@sosalpha
@sosalpha 3 жыл бұрын
Was the drinking and cigarettes worth it? Serious question. Christopher had a spotlight and many publications. Without those terrible habits he may still be alive today. We would be able to know and understand more of his thoughts. Like anyone, he too changed positions on different subjects, Sadly not on America's Wars in the middle east. We have more problems at home to focus on at the moment.
@copyninja8756
@copyninja8756 2 жыл бұрын
Smh
@capitalb5889
@capitalb5889 2 жыл бұрын
Is this a serious question?
@TheBundleofkent
@TheBundleofkent 2 жыл бұрын
What do you mean by "worth it"?
@waitaminute2015
@waitaminute2015 Жыл бұрын
He said in an interview, that those habits made life bearable.
@jasonwiley798
@jasonwiley798 Жыл бұрын
It was to hitchens, and that is all that matters.
@USERNAMEfieldempty
@USERNAMEfieldempty 12 жыл бұрын
Thanks. I'm on about Ch4 of Hitch 22 so I'll probably agree with you in a few weeks time! :-)
@MarcusN-kp1jn
@MarcusN-kp1jn Ай бұрын
"civility is overrated" Actually agree with Hitch here. Though the common comment I see on debate videos is "it's so refreshing to see people with opposing views debate in a calm and respectful manner" - the problem with that is that the differences between the debating parties often come across as muddy and unclear. Sometimes you have to call someone out when there are obvious errors or disagreements to really accentuate it. Civility as the prime goal also lets the other part think it can get away with being intellectually dishonest or using logical fallacies. If civility is the number one thing to strive for, the losing part of a debate can simply point fingers at the other part and claim victimhood and win the sympathies of the viewers.
@chosen1750
@chosen1750 2 жыл бұрын
A lot of people talk about God but sometimes you have to ask yourself which God do they serve.
@lawrence1318
@lawrence1318 Жыл бұрын
The God who deserves to be served.
@allenanderson4911
@allenanderson4911 2 жыл бұрын
CH clearly never read Smedley Buttlers War is a racket.
@jeffschlarb4965
@jeffschlarb4965 2 жыл бұрын
Who will write about the Climate Change racket?
@TheSonicDeviant
@TheSonicDeviant 2 жыл бұрын
And covid is a racket?
@jeffschlarb4965
@jeffschlarb4965 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheSonicDeviant COVID-19 is a virus, that possibly originated in the Wuhan virology lab, located in the city of Wuhan China. Thanks to the "transparent" CCP, we will probably not know for sure, since related data has been scrubbed, and witnesses have been imprisoned..
@rrpearsall
@rrpearsall 2 жыл бұрын
Nor has CH listened to President Eisenhower's wisest farewell speech of all POTUS, Warning US of the Devil's bargain we made with the privatization of the Military Industrial Complex.. Kennedy was the last President to try and break that contract with the Devil
@TheSonicDeviant
@TheSonicDeviant 2 жыл бұрын
@@jeffschlarb4965 - No, you are very wrong. The official narrative is that COVID-19 is a disease. The virus that causes it has been named SARS-CoV-2. As mentioned, that’s the official narrative if you want to be pedantic. However there are more plausible alternative narratives, however they require you to actually think outside of your safe space and comfort zone.
@sticksman1979
@sticksman1979 Жыл бұрын
In 2023, Peter is right.
@SNORKYMEDIA
@SNORKYMEDIA Жыл бұрын
er no he isnt , we still have no credible proof
@markwilliams974
@markwilliams974 Жыл бұрын
The Trex question stumped Peter. He can’t reconcile that the Bible.
@AceofDlamonds
@AceofDlamonds 13 жыл бұрын
@rothery86 Isn't that true of all middle-aged men?
@kissfan7
@kissfan7 12 жыл бұрын
All good points. I did not mean to give the impression that I thought the Iraq War was a "war for oil", if I may use the far-leftist phrasing.
@zacktrever1878
@zacktrever1878 2 жыл бұрын
Iraq war was for "weapons of mass destruction" and "yellow-cake" like Saadam was Betty Crocker 🤣😂🤣
@curious1053
@curious1053 2 жыл бұрын
A war for oil and no oil was taken.
@jonathanrussell1140
@jonathanrussell1140 Жыл бұрын
@@curious1053 are you saying no Western oil companies subsequently moved in to take the profits?
@curious1053
@curious1053 Жыл бұрын
@@jonathanrussell1140 is that really how you read my comment?
@jonathanrussell1140
@jonathanrussell1140 Жыл бұрын
@@curious1053 I wasn't sure. Irony doesn't always come across on the Interweb. I tend to use ;-) or ellipses
@lolawalsh9187
@lolawalsh9187 2 жыл бұрын
I miss Hitch. Nobody's perfect.
@ThePassportPapi
@ThePassportPapi 2 жыл бұрын
He was wrong about Iraq tho
@Maghribi100
@Maghribi100 2 жыл бұрын
He was wrong about lots of things
@hegel5816
@hegel5816 2 жыл бұрын
Only good thing happened in Hitch’s life was at his funeral when his brother read a passage from the Bible...
@DavidmByrd
@DavidmByrd Жыл бұрын
When should any sane person tolerate or take seriously any so called adults opinion who thinks Childish Magic Fairy Tale Stories and reality are the same thing?
@rekunta
@rekunta 10 ай бұрын
1:19:51 Why are they calling Christopher professor, and why does he say _”Dr”_ in addressment? I’m a fan of Hitch, but he holds no degree that honors him such title. Where is this coming from?
@DarrellVermilion
@DarrellVermilion 2 жыл бұрын
Criminally underviewed.
@markw4633
@markw4633 2 жыл бұрын
I always thought that they just wanted to build a democracy in the middle of that sandbox and hope that it spread.
@videogreats4442
@videogreats4442 2 жыл бұрын
No..... IRAQ war was to Stop Iraq from selling oil in Euros AND to steal all gold and as much oil as possible.
@johnsmith1474
@johnsmith1474 2 жыл бұрын
You gotta be joking.
@markw4633
@markw4633 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnsmith1474 .... nope. We just tried to nation-building Afghanistan
@judyhopps9380
@judyhopps9380 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnsmith1474 *cough* Haliburton and the Bush Administration *cough*
@Muddyorphan1812
@Muddyorphan1812 2 жыл бұрын
Love is the law Love Underwill Godswill
@JxJxJxJxJxJxJx
@JxJxJxJxJxJxJx 5 ай бұрын
Der eine ist klug, aufgeklärt und eine Legende und der andere ein Theist. Jede Familie hat ein schwarzes schaf und das ist hier auf jeden Fall der gläubige!
@abcbcd9777
@abcbcd9777 2 жыл бұрын
combined, they are undefeatable having both the power of god and anime on their side
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