HMS Charybdis - Guide 211

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Drachinifel

Drachinifel

3 жыл бұрын

HMS Charybdis, a Dido class cruiser of the Royal Navy, is today's subject.
Read more about the ship here:
- Damnable Folly? Small Cruiser Designs for the Royal Navy Between the Wars - Warship 2011
www.iwm.org.uk/collections/it...
www.amazon.co.uk/British-Cruisers-World-Wars-After-ebook/dp/B019EJVJS4
www.amazon.co.uk/British-Light-Cruisers-1939-45-Vanguard/dp/1849086842
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Next on the list:
-Eidsvold class
-SMS Emden (II)
-Tashkent-1934A Class
-River class / HMS Plym (K271)
-Siegfried class
-HMS Caroline
-Ships of Battle of Campeche

Пікірлер: 325
@Drachinifel
@Drachinifel 3 жыл бұрын
Pinned post for Q&A :)
@WALTERBROADDUS
@WALTERBROADDUS 3 жыл бұрын
Will you consider a special on the nuke tests at Bikini Atol?
@georgebizos944
@georgebizos944 3 жыл бұрын
Why did some nations (Japan) equip their submarines with aircraft while others (USA, Germany) did not? The IJN seemed to want their submarines to be able to scout for themselves - was this ever useful? Such scouting aircraft seem like they would have been incredibly useful to uboats in the Atlantic.
@jamessumpter2199
@jamessumpter2199 3 жыл бұрын
Quite a while ago, I recall you saying that HMS Renown had a good crew in general, and a very dangerous gunnery crew in particular; Could you tell us about some other ships from your periods of study with crew sections that were standouts amongst standouts?
@shirleymental4189
@shirleymental4189 3 жыл бұрын
Q: Has any ship ever been fitted with a 'howitzer'. To deliver plunging fire at closer ranges?
@lordshipmayhem
@lordshipmayhem 3 жыл бұрын
I'd like you to address the Royal Canadian Navy's immediate post-WW2 "Dissension in the ranks: the ‘mutinies’ that never were ", as one article in the official Canadian history puts it. (Google that article on the Canada.ca website.)
@Moredread25
@Moredread25 3 жыл бұрын
It's a shame the Royal Navy never equipped the whirlpool generator that this ship clearly was destined for.
@fusioncannon
@fusioncannon 3 жыл бұрын
At first I was like "wut". but then I was like oh get it
@thomas316
@thomas316 3 жыл бұрын
Front loading or top loading Whirlpool? 😉
@Rschaltegger
@Rschaltegger 3 жыл бұрын
I dread to think what Scylas secret weapon would have been
@nemom225
@nemom225 3 жыл бұрын
Explain?
@rudolfschrenk6171
@rudolfschrenk6171 3 жыл бұрын
@@nemom225 , see greek mythology please :-)
@fredjcarss7788
@fredjcarss7788 3 жыл бұрын
My late father served on a sister ship HMS Black Prince.
@Aelvir114
@Aelvir114 3 жыл бұрын
Probably my favorite Dido. Built by my favorite shipyard, Harland and Wolff, and probably one of the longest surviving of her class.
@HighlanderNorth1
@HighlanderNorth1 3 жыл бұрын
No one in my family ever served on the Black Prince, probably because no one in my family has lived in the UK for the past 300+ years. However, I can proudly boast that I played the Black Prince in World of Warships, as a free, introductory tier 1 cruiser(all tier 1 ships are cruisers). But that probably doesn't count.... Lol. 😁
@MrDgwphotos
@MrDgwphotos 3 жыл бұрын
@@HighlanderNorth1 Different ship, that's Black Swan, an ASW Sloop.
@jerrymccrae7202
@jerrymccrae7202 3 жыл бұрын
If memory serves HMS BLACK PRINCE was at Utah Beach Normandy. My late Dad was on the USS KIOWA there to ! Small world! I salute you Dad for his service!
@fredjcarss7788
@fredjcarss7788 3 жыл бұрын
@@jerrymccrae7202 that’s right Black Prince was attached to the Americans. They say that Belfast was the first British ship to open fire but my dad said it was wrong they had already anchored and were picking off pre determined targets from map references. I think he said USS Clancey was with them as well. When they stopped bombarding he got up on deck to to see the ship was surrounded by dead jellyfish killed by the concussion. Dad drew the short straw in stations for D Day, being an EM PO he was in the low power room which was at the lowest point in the ship. I’d love to get to the record office and check the ships log against Belfast’s.
@wolfbyte3171
@wolfbyte3171 3 жыл бұрын
One thing of note is that this battle happened not too far off the British Channel Islands, which were occupied by the Germans (the only British territory to be occupied during the war). 21 bodies from Charybdis washed up on Guernsey. The Germans buried them with military honors, and the island citizens took the opportunity to show up en masse in a show of rebellion. 5,000 people attended the funeral and laid 900 wreaths- subsequently, citizens were banned from attending military funerals.
@rogerwilco2
@rogerwilco2 3 жыл бұрын
Hahahahah.
@user-ur8no9sb7v
@user-ur8no9sb7v 10 ай бұрын
Whilst in Jersey we noted a number of headstones in the cemetery referred to this brave crew RIP
@Paludion
@Paludion 3 жыл бұрын
Usually, I come here to learn the story of a ship I never heard before. Not this time however. I went recently on vacation in Brittany and saw a plaque commemorating the loss of HMS Charybdis and HMS Limbourne, in a little park overlooking the sea where they were sunk. May these brave men rest in peace.
@nathanrohde3440
@nathanrohde3440 3 жыл бұрын
A five minute guide that is actually five minutes. Is Drachinifel okay?
@scottdrone-silvers5179
@scottdrone-silvers5179 3 жыл бұрын
Well, it IS Boxing Day, and maybe he had other RL things to do...
@geordiedog1749
@geordiedog1749 3 жыл бұрын
Lt Com. Roger Hill describes the loss of this ship in his book and he really puts the boot in. He had personally warned the COs that they were making a grave error in tactics and planning but he was waved off. Only thing worse than a cluster fuck like this is a totally avoidable cluster fuck!
@Jon908584
@Jon908584 3 жыл бұрын
>t.Cdr Hill, commanding officer of Grenville was threatened with court martial when he stated that the Germans knew that Charybdis and the supporting force would follow their usual routine and that their actions were predictable. The Royal Navy walked right into a trap thanks to the stupidity of staff officers based in Plymouth because the voice of a serving officer serving at sea with great distinction was not listened to and due attention and consideration given to his wise council..
@danielmocsny5066
@danielmocsny5066 3 жыл бұрын
@@Jon908584 - "Counsel is a noun or a verb relating to advice or the act of giving advice. One who gives advice is referred to as a counsellor. The homophone council only has a noun form, and usually refers to groups or committees that decide rules and laws, or provide guidance. Members of a council are councillors but what they engage in is actually counseling."
@geordiedog1749
@geordiedog1749 3 жыл бұрын
@@Jon908584 yeah! What he said!;)
@iansadler4309
@iansadler4309 3 жыл бұрын
Think Roskill acknowledges the repetition of previous tactics was largely responsible for this debacle.
@geordiedog1749
@geordiedog1749 3 жыл бұрын
@@iansadler4309 indeed. Bit of a ‘rookie error’ though, really. The idea of some idiot Rupert sending me off to be put in grave danger through stupidity or carelessness is the most terrifying aspect of war to me.
@bigblue6917
@bigblue6917 3 жыл бұрын
Charybdis and Scylla. You would not want to get caught between them two. Unless, of course, you were sailing on HMS Argon
@jwenting
@jwenting 3 жыл бұрын
got to love the Admiralty's choice of names for ships of war.
@ronnieince4568
@ronnieince4568 3 жыл бұрын
@@jwenting Greek historic names were popular for warships. Blue Funnel.merchant ships were also called after Ancient Greek heroes and chsracters in the Oddesey and the Iliad.
@RedXlV
@RedXlV 3 жыл бұрын
@@ronnieince4568 Fortunately, HMS Medea never betrayed them.
@ronnieince4568
@ronnieince4568 3 жыл бұрын
@@RedXlV true .The RN started the Second World War with 60 cruisers , war losses amounted to 30 and 30 new cruisers were commissioned. .Two survive in the UK today -HMS Belfast in London and HMS Caroline from.the First World War in Belfast .I think the Canadians also have one and possibly India as museum ships.
@trooperdgb9722
@trooperdgb9722 3 жыл бұрын
@@jwenting The RN certainly has a talent for it. I'm a fan of the older names like Indefatigable and Inflexible and Indomitable...but the modern Type 45/Daring HMS DRAGON is pretty good too! (OK..the dragon painting on the bow is probably what sets her apart!)
@oscarthompson2171
@oscarthompson2171 2 жыл бұрын
During the war my father was evacuated from London to Hereford. The couple that looked after him had a son, John Herbert who was a coder on HMS Charybdis. My dad was having breakfast with them when the telegram arrived informing them that he'd been killed in action. His body washed up on Guernsey where he is buried in a military cemetery with other members of the crew.
@kpdubbs7117
@kpdubbs7117 3 жыл бұрын
When you have to work early the day after Christmas and only have five minutes, more or less, to relax with your coffee before heading out in the snow, its nice to see a Drach video.
@Kevin_Kennelly
@Kevin_Kennelly 3 жыл бұрын
Stay warm. Bring along extra coffee so you can write "KPDubbs71 was here." in the snow. Merry & Happy to you and all Drachers.
@droppedpasta
@droppedpasta 3 жыл бұрын
I was in the USN, so am obligated to believe it is the best navy ever, but the Brits have way cooler ship names.
@TheEDFLegacy
@TheEDFLegacy 3 жыл бұрын
The Americans had the best navy because they added the most guns because of course they did. 😋
@weldonwin
@weldonwin 3 жыл бұрын
Well, you did rename the Flower-Class Corvettes the Action-Class, because you didn't feel confident going into battle aboard a vessel named Pansy or Periwinkle
@themecoptera9258
@themecoptera9258 3 жыл бұрын
True facts
@danielharnden516
@danielharnden516 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheEDFLegacy I must admit, for an anti-aircraft cruiser it seems light on weaponry compared to an American ship. We do love our guns.
@danielharnden516
@danielharnden516 3 жыл бұрын
@@weldonwin yes but what about the USS snapdragon? That would have worked.
@karlvongazenberg8398
@karlvongazenberg8398 3 жыл бұрын
Ah, the wonderfull tradition of using Greek mythological names. Merry Christmas, happy Hogswatch, happy birthday Brian.
@ieuanhunt552
@ieuanhunt552 3 жыл бұрын
Merry Sanguinala
@disceva6443
@disceva6443 3 жыл бұрын
Its quite fitting that it was part of the Dido class, as the monster Charybdis hails primarily from the Odyssey, a book that parralels the Aeneid, of which Dido was a character in.
@karlvongazenberg8398
@karlvongazenberg8398 3 жыл бұрын
@@disceva6443 Well, there were several characters besides six headed sea monsters ;)
@brianreddeman951
@brianreddeman951 3 жыл бұрын
Why thank you. 😁
@HootOwl513
@HootOwl513 3 жыл бұрын
Mithras be with you.
@MrHistorian123
@MrHistorian123 3 жыл бұрын
I strongly recommend the book "Flagship to Murmansk" by Robert Hughes, who was Gunnery Control Officer on Charybdis' sister ship, HMS Scylla. It is clear from this that the "Toothless Terrors" as these ships were known, were actually much better AA cruisers than the standard Didos, albeit at the cost of some surface capabilities.
@RedXlV
@RedXlV 3 жыл бұрын
Now imagine if they had another pair of 4.5" twin turrets available to mount for their C turrets.
@MrHistorian123
@MrHistorian123 3 жыл бұрын
@@RedXlV There wasn't room. They had to modify the bridge anyway to get 2 4.5'' turrets in. And the 4.5s had a very fast rate of fire.
@bluemu
@bluemu 3 жыл бұрын
I agree - I did like the book with the author being able to show the feelings and activities involved while knowing the ship intimately. Recommended
@MrHistorian123
@MrHistorian123 3 жыл бұрын
@@bluemu The bit where Hughes went to see her being broken up is very poignant.
@karlbrundage7472
@karlbrundage7472 3 жыл бұрын
"You mission may be considered a success." Wet survivor: "How so?" "Well, we studied all of your actions in the engagement and determined that we will strive to not emulate any of them, thereby ensuring future victories........ Congratulations....."
@aurictech4378
@aurictech4378 3 жыл бұрын
Wet survivor: ,"So, rather like Beatty and Seymour, with the difference that the Admiralty actually has *learned* something from our object lesson. Fair enough."
@colbeausabre8842
@colbeausabre8842 2 жыл бұрын
The Duke of Wellington on his first campaign (Flanders) as LTC Wellsley, commanding the 33rd Foot - "I had learned what not to do and that is always something"
@agesflow6815
@agesflow6815 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Drachinifel.
@tmain2091
@tmain2091 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for keeping your content add free :)
@mp5856a
@mp5856a 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe a follow-up story about that change to blockade runner interceptions? Love these videos and hope you and your loved ones are safe and well this holiday season.
@marks_sparks1
@marks_sparks1 3 жыл бұрын
The subsequent Battle of the Bay of Biscay December 1943 is a good example of the Royal Navy & RAF successfully stopping a blockade runner Alsterufer and its escorts, without casualties.
@davidoldham1946
@davidoldham1946 3 жыл бұрын
Care to flesh out those blockage runners the Germans used in a future video?
@bigblue6917
@bigblue6917 3 жыл бұрын
Make some interesting Five Minute Guides
@Mikes1800
@Mikes1800 3 жыл бұрын
HMS Charybdis: learning lessons the hard way.
@Jon908584
@Jon908584 3 жыл бұрын
All thanks to the dullards serving on the staff of the responsible flag officer who refused to alter set routines that had achieved no vestige of success or to listen to a serving officer at the sharp end. It didn't require any positive thinking on the part of the Kriegsmarine to predict actions by the RN.
@Big_E_Soul_Fragment
@Big_E_Soul_Fragment 3 жыл бұрын
24 out of 30 torpedoes launched at Charybdis, damn Oh yeah, Merry Christmas to everyone
@mikeholton9876
@mikeholton9876 3 жыл бұрын
only 2 hits on her....not exactly Gunther Prien numbers on display here...
@byronharano2391
@byronharano2391 3 жыл бұрын
Merry Christmas
@kemarisite
@kemarisite 3 жыл бұрын
@@mikeholton9876 three total hits out of 24, 12.5%, not even the 15% the Japanese believes they needed for their decisive battle doctrine. Much better than most surface warfare actions, where 5% hits or less is not unusual.
@mindwarp42
@mindwarp42 3 жыл бұрын
I would wish you a Merry Sanguinala, but I don't want to make you cry. Happy Holidays!
@Theranthrope
@Theranthrope 3 жыл бұрын
[TORPBEATS INTENSIFY]
@samjmarsay
@samjmarsay 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for a boxing day video Drach. Merry Christmas
@Boric78
@Boric78 3 жыл бұрын
Long term subscriber. I would just like to say your channel and work is amazing. I have no idea how you have held down a full time job (till recently) and still found the time to research all your stuff. I hope the move works out. Best naval content out there.
@g_e_o_m9369
@g_e_o_m9369 3 жыл бұрын
My Christmas present from Drach was learning to pronounce Charybdis. How did you know it's what I've always wanted?
@bigblue6917
@bigblue6917 3 жыл бұрын
And Scylla
@samp9539
@samp9539 3 жыл бұрын
The later Leander class frigate was often called "Cherry B". Dunno if that applied to the 1939 Charybdis.
@oliverfox3728
@oliverfox3728 3 жыл бұрын
My Great Grandfather served on this ship....Survived the sinking and went on to live the best life he could.R.I.P
@whiteelephantvideos1343
@whiteelephantvideos1343 9 ай бұрын
I have an original seaman's cap from this skip don't know how it made its way to America
@dancingwiththedarkness3352
@dancingwiththedarkness3352 3 жыл бұрын
Merry Christmas and a Ship full of Happiness to you and yours in the coming year!
@jongulliver984
@jongulliver984 3 жыл бұрын
When I was in the later Leanders we pronounced Dido Die-do not Dee-do. Think you may need to review that.
@bigblue6917
@bigblue6917 3 жыл бұрын
That's what I always pronounced it. If you keep saying dee-do it sounds like a Greek police car.
@watcherzero5256
@watcherzero5256 3 жыл бұрын
Yes its Die-do with a greek/roman pronunciation, she was the mythological founder and first queen of Carthage. Dee-do is the american english pronunciation for its meaning as a showy prank.
@trevorpowell4626
@trevorpowell4626 3 жыл бұрын
I can back that up. During my time in the RN (76 to98) the Leander class frigate was allways referred to as "Diedo", never "Deedo".
@johngregory4801
@johngregory4801 3 жыл бұрын
@@watcherzero5256 There is no word on this planet that we Yanks won't cheerily mispronounce, redefine and add to our wonderful mishmash of madness that used to be the English language.
@colbeausabre8842
@colbeausabre8842 2 жыл бұрын
@@watcherzero5256 Sorry, but as an American, I learned Die-doe for the queen and ship
@walterkronkitesleftshoe6684
@walterkronkitesleftshoe6684 2 жыл бұрын
In memory of my great uncle D/MX 75335 Leonard Samuel Bluck who was a radio telegraphist killed at the time of the sinking of HMS Charybdis in 1943.
@jeepinjeffxj8838
@jeepinjeffxj8838 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for all your great videos
@duncanhamilton5841
@duncanhamilton5841 3 жыл бұрын
A Drach vid. I hit Like, then I hit Play 👌
@matthewrobinson4323
@matthewrobinson4323 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, as always!
@tomsmith5456
@tomsmith5456 3 жыл бұрын
I was a crew member in 1953/4 in HMS Dido she was reserved....I was only a young RNR lad , she lay in Portsmouth harbour around that time made fast to a mooring buoy alongside HMS Jamaica...She was always known as Die dough and not Dee dough ..Happy days indeed !
@watcherzero5256
@watcherzero5256 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah she was named for the mythological Dido, the first queen and founder of the city of Carthage.
@colbeausabre8842
@colbeausabre8842 2 жыл бұрын
@@watcherzero5256 As one of her descendants, I resent her being called "mythological"
@watcherzero5256
@watcherzero5256 2 жыл бұрын
@@colbeausabre8842 Well as the only accounts are from hundreds of years later for example in the Aenid and the person she supposedly married being born 400 years before she was while neither her nor her brother are recorded to have children (Pygmalion was the last of his royal line).
@MarcStjames-rq1dm
@MarcStjames-rq1dm 3 жыл бұрын
NIce.... thanks Drachinifel. Happy Holidays to All.
@headmonkeyboy
@headmonkeyboy 3 жыл бұрын
Merry Christmas everyone, especially Drach :)
@Boxmediaphile
@Boxmediaphile 3 жыл бұрын
Merry Christmas Drachinifel
@Jpdt19
@Jpdt19 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I hope you had a very merry Christmas day
@ridleyscurry2480
@ridleyscurry2480 3 жыл бұрын
I love this channel. I've been watching for a couple years now, and the quality of the videos is excellent, and the topics covered are always presented in such an interesting and easy to follow way. Keep it up Drach! Also, I have a question, will you ever cover any modern or modernish ships and navel engagements? I saw you covered the Midway class carriers, will you keep going?
@jonathan_60503
@jonathan_60503 3 жыл бұрын
In the past Drach's said he generally won't take this channel past about 1950 for a couple reasons - data on newer ships tends to still be classified (as so can only be speculated about) and wanting to avoid getting caught up in more politically contentious recent naval conflicts. But hey, maybe that'll end up being a moving window - so as things get declassified and additional ships age to that roughly 70 years ago mark maybe those ships could start appearing here :D
@johnforsyth7987
@johnforsyth7987 3 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed the video. Thank you very much.
@ditzydoo4378
@ditzydoo4378 3 жыл бұрын
I Hope you had a merry christmas and are looking forward to a brighter new year Drachinifel... ^_^
@insignificantgnat9334
@insignificantgnat9334 3 жыл бұрын
You know given the mythology of the name Charybdis I would have thought it would be an appropriate name for a minelayer.
@soupatroopuh3696
@soupatroopuh3696 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, and God Bless!
@melvynevans9128
@melvynevans9128 3 жыл бұрын
I would suggest another Dido class cruiser as a future subject, HMS Phoebe. She served in the North Atlantic and the Malta convoys including operation pedestal.
@colbeausabre8842
@colbeausabre8842 2 жыл бұрын
And add a episode on HMS Ulysses
@marycartmell3278
@marycartmell3278 3 ай бұрын
My father Eric Withington was on HMS Charybdis but was given compassionate leave when his wife was very ill and later died. He never returned to the ship which saved him.
@echo_9835
@echo_9835 3 жыл бұрын
Merry Christmas Drach!
@davidorama6690
@davidorama6690 3 жыл бұрын
Beautifully proportioned cruiser
@LukesYuGiOhChannel
@LukesYuGiOhChannel 3 жыл бұрын
Merry Christmas.
@davidbirt8486
@davidbirt8486 3 жыл бұрын
Another good program, there's a video of her wreck on KZfaq, she's deteriorated Quite badly in the seventy odd years since she was sunk.
@Alistair14
@Alistair14 3 жыл бұрын
Another first class , meticulously researched video - for which much thanks indeed. One question/point of clarification: some months ago you very kindly made a video about the cruiser on which my father spent the greater part of the war, HMS Dido. He always referred to her as 'Dido' (as in 'Fido). He took delight in recounting how Dido, Queen of Carthage had a liaison (allegedly, I do not hold with gossip) with Aeneas, himself en route from Troy to found Rome... He visited a number of classical sites in what is now Libya at the time. Please do not tell me that he got the pronunciation wrong. Purcell's opera, which I hasten to add, I have not seen, based on the above love story, somehow would not have the same ring as (apologies for the phonetics) 'Deedoh and Aeneas'. My Father's 'Dido' (sic) had a namesake successor which took part in a spectacular fleet review in August 1965 on the Firth of Clyde. My parents, brother and I stayed with friends in Kilcreggan for its duration . We had a grandstand view. On the last night the fleet looked spectacular 'all lit up' (to coin a phrase). At the appointed hour the lights were turned off. The next morning the anchorage was empty - as if the fleet had never been there. My father had been demobbed only twelve years before, in 1953. With hindsight I think it affected him somewhat, but as a child of thirteen, I did not have the maturity to pick this up. Thank you yet again for this latest addition. Best, Alistair.
@iannewman9311
@iannewman9311 Жыл бұрын
Dido as per Fido is how the RN pronounce it.
@grahamr4916
@grahamr4916 3 жыл бұрын
Christmas may have came a bit late but tbh idc I’ve always wanted to hear this review on this ship.
@richardorta8960
@richardorta8960 3 жыл бұрын
merry belated christmas! what fantasy ships from tabletop games would you like to see in a real world navy? to make it a bit more thoughtful, let us say that you're in charge of any allied force you wish and that you have to plan against an equal axis force that also armed with ships from the games. this is a take on the "what if they went back in time" or "what if they swapped" questions.
@admiralsirrusty3465
@admiralsirrusty3465 3 жыл бұрын
My grandfather was on Euryalus in the Med. including a spell as a tug for some daft battleship captain that had had an argument with a fritz or two...Captain HA Packer of the 'Old Lady' on 16th September 1943 hit by FX1400 guided AP bomb and near missed by another. The FX1400 were known as Fritz and the 'Old Lady' was of course Warspite.
@peterwren8177
@peterwren8177 3 жыл бұрын
Worth reading "Destroyer Captain" by Roger Hill for more background to HMS Charybdis sinking
@trooperdgb9722
@trooperdgb9722 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting read that one....really felt bad for him given his post war experiences...
@peterwren8177
@peterwren8177 3 жыл бұрын
@@trooperdgb9722 Yes indeed. ( I realised someone else has already mentioned this book, didn't spot it as reading comments on phone)
@trooperdgb9722
@trooperdgb9722 3 жыл бұрын
@@peterwren8177 Wow...three people in one place who have read that book! (I have never met anyone else who has lol)
@dovetonsturdee7033
@dovetonsturdee7033 3 жыл бұрын
@@trooperdgb9722 Four.
@trooperdgb9722
@trooperdgb9722 3 жыл бұрын
@@dovetonsturdee7033 Awesome! I have to admit MY copy is a paperback in VERY poor shape....
@hansheden
@hansheden 3 жыл бұрын
I've read about the Münsterland in Pierre Clostermans book.
@lordwintertown8284
@lordwintertown8284 3 жыл бұрын
Oi Drach, I've been under the impression that the Type 1939 were TB's not DD's, As the books & websites I've read have mentioned them as Folttontorpedoboot (Fleet Torpedo Boats), sure they're as large as an early destroyer in displacement but are quite smol to WWII era vessels. Well back to the Dido class Light Anti-Aircraft Cruisers I've read that the 4.5" cannons were better for AA screening with the faster RoF while the 5.25" cannons were greater against high altitude aircraft, ntm the shortages in 5.25" was also due to the RAF requesting the mounts around England, There's a few videos exploring these old HAA Batteries. Of the Goddess Dido an her sister ships Charybdis & Scylla are probs the most monstrous of the sisters namesakes one a monster in a rock an another a maelstrom like monster under a rock.
@dovetonsturdee7033
@dovetonsturdee7033 3 жыл бұрын
The Type 39s were similar to the British pre-war A-I class destroyers, although slightly slower.
@colbeausabre8842
@colbeausabre8842 2 жыл бұрын
The 5.25's that were mounted as coast defense/anti aircraft guns, like all other heavy flak in British service (3, 3.7 and 4.5 inch) belonged to the Army, not the RAF. "In early 1942 the Governor of Gibraltar sought 5.25-in guns for dual anti-aircraft/coast defence role. None was forthcoming. However, later that year Anti-Aircraft Command in UK acquired three twin-gun turrets from the Admiralty, which were installed around London in permanent positions. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QF_5.25-inch_naval_gun#/media/File:Twin_5.25_inch_AA_guns_Primrose_Hill_1943_IWM_H_032322.jpg Trials and use led the army to design a single gun mounting in two marks, both with an underground engine room to provide electrical and hydraulic power for traverse, elevation, fuze setting, ramming and other tasks. Fitted with the standard army Machine Fuze Setter No 10, these guns had a rate of fire of 10 rds/min and a maximum height of 50,000 ft, with an effective height of 36,000 ft.[18] Mark 1A was a mild steel turret for anti-aircraft use only, Mk 1B was an armoured turret for anti aircraft and coast defence use. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QF_5.25-inch_naval_gun#/media/File:5.25_inch_gun_Port_Moresby_1944_AWM_075214.jpeg The gun was designated Mk 2. By the end of 1943 only 16 of the new guns had been installed, far below projections. By the end of the war 164 guns had been produced. The high-explosive shells were fuzed with the standard army No 208 mechanical time fuze, used with 3.7 and 4.5-inch anti-aircraft guns. The guns remained in service after World War II, and in 1953 11 guns were installed in Gibraltar" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QF_5.25-inch_naval_gun#/media/File:5.25-inch_BL_Dual_Purpose_Gun.jpg
@colbeausabre8842
@colbeausabre8842 2 жыл бұрын
@@dovetonsturdee7033 The Krauts insisted on calling their destroyers "Torpedo boats" for many years. Here's a "real" KM torpedo boat vs the "fleet torpedo boats" of this action en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_37_torpedo_boat en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_39_torpedo_boat 1700 tons, 4 X 4.1 inch guns, 6 X 21 inch torpedo tubes is a destroyer
@chrisc4088
@chrisc4088 3 жыл бұрын
What procedures were changed to what new procedures. More detail at the end would have been appreciated.
@bigblue6917
@bigblue6917 3 жыл бұрын
I'd like to know that as well.
@Temp0raryName
@Temp0raryName 3 жыл бұрын
Preferably in a video (or series) on blockades and blockade runners, down through the ages.
@Thirdbase9
@Thirdbase9 3 жыл бұрын
Enjoy Boxing Day everyone.
@Easy-Eight
@Easy-Eight 3 жыл бұрын
The sinking of the *Charybdis* on 23 October 1943 reads very similar to too many USN/IJN engagement in the South Pacific. Indecision and underestimation on the part of the USN commander would have his task force greeted with a spread of Type 23 Long Lance torpedoes.
@christiansee2500
@christiansee2500 3 жыл бұрын
YES
@barrybend7189
@barrybend7189 3 жыл бұрын
Can you please cover the Cannon class destroyer escort and one of its surviving ships of the class the Slater.
@fortressring
@fortressring 3 жыл бұрын
Had a relative that died aboard this ship, my gran had the newspaper from the day they accounced her sinking framed.
@iannewman9311
@iannewman9311 Жыл бұрын
Same here my maternal grandfather missing at sea as his body was never found.
@suebrewer1067
@suebrewer1067 Жыл бұрын
My grandfather was on the Charybdis
@TheCurlsCrazy
@TheCurlsCrazy 3 жыл бұрын
Woud love a Video about the blocade runners
@williamswenson5315
@williamswenson5315 3 жыл бұрын
Imagine being an aircraft caught between a rock and a hard place...
@jonathan_60503
@jonathan_60503 3 жыл бұрын
Facing a whirlpool of exploding 4.5" shells?
@zootsootful
@zootsootful 3 жыл бұрын
Just curious... Why do you use the plural form of "bow"? (5:10) I've heard this before, and can't help but wonder why I never encounter the word "sterns" used in that way...
@fenman1954
@fenman1954 3 жыл бұрын
Do you have any information on the hunt class destroyer , I believe it may have been the HMS Avon Vale my father's ship which suffered the same damage in the Med during the war.
@stuartpenketh8141
@stuartpenketh8141 3 жыл бұрын
Love the programme hate the pronunciation of Dido ;)
@aluminumfence
@aluminumfence 3 жыл бұрын
Quick semi-relevant question for the group given the time of year. I was watching, "A Christmas Story" a few times yesterday (I'm a huge Jean Shepherd Fan) and in one scene the father's newspaper has a picture of a warship on the back page and I was just wondering if anybody knew which ship it was?
@lauraainslie6725
@lauraainslie6725 3 жыл бұрын
Dang, that's a good one... You may want to add it to his pinned post (at the top) for Drydock questions.
@MadMax-bq6pg
@MadMax-bq6pg 3 жыл бұрын
She did her duty and did not die in vain.
@barrydysert2974
@barrydysert2974 3 жыл бұрын
me: Did you learn from this casualty so as not to repeat this mistake? RN: Indeed we did. me: Rule Britannia! Carry On. !:-) 🖖
@joselitostotomas8114
@joselitostotomas8114 3 жыл бұрын
So which had a greater rate of fire - Charybdis or Atlanta?
@Ushio01
@Ushio01 3 жыл бұрын
Per gun it's a wash but the early Atlanta class has twice as many guns 16 vs 8 so the Atlanta wins in output but both guns of the Dido class the 4.7 and 5.25inch are better in surface combat than the 5/38 US gun. The UK built 16 Dido class with all commissioned by January 1944 with 5 lost the USA had commissioned 6 of the 8 Atlanta's by that time though 2 had been lost with the last 2 in August 44 and February 45
@colbeausabre8842
@colbeausabre8842 2 жыл бұрын
@@Ushio01 Unquestionably Atlanta. The 5.25 inch mounts were notoriously crowded which meant they did not achieve in practice their theoretical ROF 0f 12 rpm, but instead were limited to 7-8 rpm. From the NAVWEAPS site " Unfortunately, the original design of the gunhouse was cramped and the heavy projectile and cartridge cases resulted in a lower rate of fire than expected. In addition, the slow elevating and training speeds of the mounts were found to be inadequate for engaging modern high-speed aircraft." "As designed, the expected rate of fire for these guns was 10 - 12 rpm. However, the heavy weight of the projectile and cartridge case plus the semi-automated fuze setting mechanism meant that this round required much crew handling before it could be rammed into the breach. The tight design of the gunhouse also interfered with the smooth crew operation necessary to achieve high rates of fire. In the chapter regarding the design of the King George V class, "British Battleships of World War Two" states that: "The mounting was designed for a rate of fire of ten to twelve rounds per minute, but, in fact, the crews could not transfer shell and cordite from the hoists to the loading-trays at this speed, and the more usual rate of fire was seven to eight rounds per minute." This would imply that cruisers would have a similar rate of fire, as the layout of their gunhouse and movement of ammunition was essentially the same as for the battleship mounting. The 5-38 inch had a theoretical rate of fire of 12 rounds/minute, but well drilled crews are routinely recorded as achieving up to 20 rpm. The AA cruiser HMS Delhi was unique in being rearmed with five 5-38's "the gunnery officer on Delhi reported that during gunnery trials in February and March 1942 that these guns were able to fire 25 rounds per minute with the ready-use ammunition stored in the handling rooms and 15 rounds per minute with the normal supply from the magazines. So we're talking Dido class = 5 turrets X 2 guns/turret X 8 rounds per gun = 80 rpm X 80 lbs/shell = 6400 lbs/minute Oakland subclass (better apples to apples than the Atlantas) = 6 turrets X 2 guns/turret X 20 rounds/gun = 240 rpm (even at 12 rpm, it's 144 rpm) X 54 lbs/shell = 12,960 lbs/minute An Atlanta would tear a Dido apart. It's only hope would be to stay out of range (24,000 vs 17,000 yards, No wonder the IJN talked about the "American 5 inch machine gun"
@davidbarber3351
@davidbarber3351 3 жыл бұрын
Can you give a overview of ww2 aircraft carrier tactics in Europe compared to the Pacific
@nizelis1
@nizelis1 3 жыл бұрын
I think in the latest episode of Armchair Admirals World of Warships channel they discuss this in more depth.
@bobbyfactor1890
@bobbyfactor1890 3 жыл бұрын
Oh noes, don't kill the Dido!
@mmareks9865
@mmareks9865 3 жыл бұрын
All this knowledge of you need to put in book..paper leave longer in time and you’re need preserve that:)
@blueboats7530
@blueboats7530 3 жыл бұрын
What is your secondary armament if the primary is 4.5" ? A single 4" you say?
@Tim.NavVet.EN2
@Tim.NavVet.EN2 4 ай бұрын
Regarding the 5.25 inch armed Didos: Was there any serious consideration given to pulling the Round turrets putting the Octagonal 5.25" turrets on them during major refits?
@kennethdickens4905
@kennethdickens4905 3 жыл бұрын
Suggestion for a ship to review. USS Russell dd414
@scottygdaman
@scottygdaman 3 жыл бұрын
Oh no I have a bad hangover. Must of been very noisy at times. To early for her to have the U.S. Mk. 52 fire control ?
@peterbrazier7107
@peterbrazier7107 3 жыл бұрын
Where is the HMS Icarus one I mentioned?
@bigblue6917
@bigblue6917 3 жыл бұрын
Went to the Med and melted
@TheDkeeler
@TheDkeeler 3 жыл бұрын
Where was the Fleet Air Arm or RAF during this engagement? Also were there not any RN submarines in the area that could of picked off that German merchant ship when it departed it's protective ships. Oh well. Should of could of would of.
@CharlesStearman
@CharlesStearman 3 жыл бұрын
It was a night action.
@chanman819
@chanman819 3 жыл бұрын
That's a startlingly high death toll given how long it took the ship to sink
@redjacc7581
@redjacc7581 3 жыл бұрын
IJN Yubari please.
@AndyM_323YYY
@AndyM_323YYY 3 жыл бұрын
Why only fit 4 of the 4.5" turrets instead of 5?
@Ushio01
@Ushio01 3 жыл бұрын
That's all the guns and turrets they had. It was get the ship finished and in action asap since there was a war on and sitting in a dockyard is being a target to Luftwaffe air raids. Unlike Destroyers and smaller ships big ships were valuable targets.
@paineoftheworld
@paineoftheworld 3 жыл бұрын
How about USCGC Taney?
@guavaburst
@guavaburst 3 жыл бұрын
Scylla approves.
@Bob.W.
@Bob.W. 3 жыл бұрын
Ah, caught between Scylla and Charybdis.
@Patrick-pm1sn
@Patrick-pm1sn 3 жыл бұрын
What was the purpose of the chains one can see on a lot of British ships trailing from their bow - mostly during low speed, in this video seen on a pic at pretty high speed in the beginning of the video. I do not recall see any US or other nations ships trailing that kind of chains at any time.
@peterflitcroft9756
@peterflitcroft9756 3 жыл бұрын
Could you mean the Degausing Cables used to protect warships from magnetic mines?
@Patrick-pm1sn
@Patrick-pm1sn 3 жыл бұрын
I don’t think so. Take a look at the photos at 1:00 minute and that at 1:46. I recall such photos from different HMS, like KGV, Belfast, Renown. It looks like chains, not cables. Never seen such on other nations ships.
@peterflitcroft9756
@peterflitcroft9756 3 жыл бұрын
@@Patrick-pm1sn It IS degaussing cables to protect against magnetic mines. It was developed be the British early on in the war when they managed to defuse a German magnetic mine. Cruisers and larger vessels were fitted with the apparatus. They used different methods for smaller warships and merchant ships.
@Patrick-pm1sn
@Patrick-pm1sn 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much Peter! Much appreciated! This looks very improvised compared to the German MES System. Anti Magnetic Mine Equipment used in different Navies would be a nice future topic here.
@colbeausabre8842
@colbeausabre8842 2 жыл бұрын
@@peterflitcroft9756 No it is NOT. Those are paravane cabless
@greycatturtle7132
@greycatturtle7132 3 жыл бұрын
Hello
@stephen1r2
@stephen1r2 3 жыл бұрын
An actual 5 min Guide?!
@petesheppard1709
@petesheppard1709 3 жыл бұрын
Was this the ship Alistair MacLean served aboard and used as the basis for 'HMS Ulysses'?
@davidb6576
@davidb6576 3 жыл бұрын
It was HMS Royalist.
@petesheppard1709
@petesheppard1709 3 жыл бұрын
@@davidb6576 Thank you. It has been many years since I read the book, and as best I remember, MacLean served in a Dido, but the ship's name escaped me.
@johngregory4801
@johngregory4801 3 жыл бұрын
@@petesheppard1709 Hopefully, he wasn't the Kapok Kid.
@petesheppard1709
@petesheppard1709 3 жыл бұрын
@@johngregory4801 At least Alistair (and ROYALIST) survived the war. I only read the book once. I prefer the heros to survive, though real life isn't nearly so accomdating.
@peterhenshaw1655
@peterhenshaw1655 3 жыл бұрын
My father served as a coder on HMS Royalist. Mention made in the book 'Sink the Hugaro' - the last Japanese naval action of WW11, I believe.
@tomhath8413
@tomhath8413 3 жыл бұрын
HMS Charybdis: Do you see torpedo boats?
@ariancontreras4358
@ariancontreras4358 3 жыл бұрын
Charybdis is a cool name but I'm not sure if it's something you should name your ship after.
@samp9539
@samp9539 3 жыл бұрын
Over the years, he RN has had six ships called Charybdis - so they seem quite OK with it.
@michaelspaeth1981
@michaelspaeth1981 2 жыл бұрын
I have seen the wreck, two torpedos did all of that damage?
@Drachinifel
@Drachinifel 2 жыл бұрын
Well, hitting the seabed at speed probably didn't do it any favours either. 😀
@michaelspaeth1981
@michaelspaeth1981 2 жыл бұрын
@@Drachinifel True, perhaps it also experienced secondary explosions like Boller or magazine!
@pauljenkins6877
@pauljenkins6877 3 жыл бұрын
A great video. The British seemed to have a lot of problems with naval command and control in both world wars.
@trooperdgb9722
@trooperdgb9722 3 жыл бұрын
Everyone did...the "fog of war" is universal...there are examples from all major navies...
@matejlieskovsky9625
@matejlieskovsky9625 3 жыл бұрын
Strangely close to the 5:00 mark...
@bidentity69
@bidentity69 3 жыл бұрын
Why did she get four 4.5 inch turrets not five ?
@colbeausabre8842
@colbeausabre8842 2 жыл бұрын
Supply issues, only 8 4.5 inch mountings could be spared by the time they were to be fitted out. Actually preferred by many to their 5.25 inch half sisters because they were much less crowded
@depth386
@depth386 3 жыл бұрын
I just realized.. Dido class does not exist in World of Warships does it? To say nothing of this Charybdis “Variant” if you’d call it that.
@martinmdl6879
@martinmdl6879 3 жыл бұрын
The Cruiser USS New Orleans
@Greystar2426
@Greystar2426 3 жыл бұрын
Rest in peace to all crew lost in Sept-Iles. However, I'm glad the KMS got an actual surface victory this late in the sea war, just because of how underdog their situation was.
@colbeausabre8842
@colbeausabre8842 2 жыл бұрын
Screw the damn Krauts, war is NOT a game
@christiansee2500
@christiansee2500 3 жыл бұрын
1MIN
@S0RGEx
@S0RGEx 3 жыл бұрын
I thought Dido was pronounced "die-doe", not "dee-doe"?
@cogidubnus1953
@cogidubnus1953 3 жыл бұрын
Me too...
@lostinpa-dadenduro7555
@lostinpa-dadenduro7555 3 жыл бұрын
Did someone say AA ? 😀🇺🇸👍
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