Home Owner's Associations need to be criminalized.

See what just a little power does to people. That’s why freedom is so important

In Florida it's illegal to harass a fisherman.

It's navigable water. That's all you need to know, it's therefore NOT privately owned. Tell him to piss off.

On behalf of all sportsmen, thank you for standing your ground.

It does not matter if the property is private or not. Idaho Law states, If it is a navigable water it has puplic access to the high water mark.

Ive seen worse Karen"s. But he still needs to make sure he knows the law before confronting someone like this. How I deal with these types is I simply say, "call the game warden, if he tells me to leave then I will leave.. Until then, I do not want to discuss it any further. We can talk about the weather, but not about if I can fish here or not".

Love the fact you caught one right in front of him

He’s probably the developer and he’s telling potential customers that they will have a private water access 😂

Always perplexed by people who try to stop other people from fishing

As a retired Forest Service officer you are correct, any navigable waterway can be used by the public below the high water mark and can not be posted below that, even if your land surrounds a river or stream. That is a federal law in every single state , weather someone likes it or not. I've run into the same thing before while looking for arrowheads along stream and lake banks. I do understand in a way why people don't like it ,, but let's face it some people are just pigs and leave mess's everywhere , but that issue can be resolved easily by law enforcement and the fines covering that infraction are much more serious than any trespassing charge, which in this case wouldn't apply anyhow. Now if someone was leaving trash and fire pits all along the bank , that's an entirely different story , then they can or could be charged with polluting a waterway or fishery , which can be a pretty hefty fine . I've written up more than one person myself for doing that in my 16+ years of service , and it's for a very good reason . If your the kinda person that does that , you just don't realize the impact those things can make on the health of a fishery or on the environment itself . Sadly there's dummy's and Kens and Karen's everywhere that don't know any better.

I'd tell him to contact the DNR and send them out if I need to move. He has no jurisdiction nor ability to make you move. He does have the ability to be charged with harassing someone fishing.

Fishing with nobody else insight. Not bothering anyone. Some people are unbelievable.

The fact that he saw you there with your child, minding your business, being a good dad and he STILL felt the need to ruin your days is pathetic. That old man is just straight up not a good person.

As someone that has lived in the boonies my whole life, the concept of a homeowners association dictating how your home can look and what you can have in your yard and harrassing people fishing on a public river just boggles my mind. Hope you and your daughter had fun anyways. Take care.

I have been through this kinda shit through out my whole life,it's always people that move in from out of state, they bring their bullshit with them😢

Losers are everywhere that think they are smarter than you. How about just say call the game warden and don’t talk to me

If you are below the regular high-water line and you did not trespass to get there, you are 100% allowed to fish. The road's a stones throw away. Is their front porch the reeds or the bank? No. I guarantee the water line goes up at least a couple feet at least once a year, if not more. No one would ever build their house there. no matter who owns the property, that area is 100% legal to fish.

"I don't recognize your authority to stop me from fishing"

Ever notice how fish seem to congregate in waterways that run through land owned by entitled assholes? Been thru this same scenario too many times to count. Glad you stood your ground man.

You, sir have a lot more patience than I do. A wise old man once told me “Do you know what gets people killed? Other people’s business. So you best just mind yours.”

If it’s “waters of the US”, which this is, the public can use the water and the property owner can’t regulate that. However, the property owner can regulate “access” to it if the public trespasses on private property to gain access to the water. This is why it is legal for boats and kayaks to gain access to this specific spot via upstream but not legal for people to bank fish after trespassing across private property.

Did you get that guys name and contact information? Fish and Game will have plenty to say about this. Would you please keep us updated on this situation? Thx.

its a strange world indeed. Because Private land may be owned but in many cases, the water is owned by U.S. government according to LAW. So the only way a person can stop you is by taking the land right away from you. This is always true of course but it's mostly what America's law is.

As long as your within the high water mark nobody owns the rivers .

I tell people to call the game warden

Bring Karen deep in woods to meet up with Dog man. Lol

I have never seen a lake so narrow with such strong current.

Properly placed posted signs along the road side of his property could stop you by trespassing you if you cross his property to get to the highwater line. Unless there is a right-of-way road/path for access to the water. But you could still enter the legal area from up or downstream. It's a shame people have to make such wholesome activities a pain in the neck.

The rule is don't be a Karen or a Kevin

Typical HOA person there. But, it's a stretch to call him a "karen". He was the calmest so far, lol.

Every fisherman must know the state fishing rules and have at all times have a current state fishing rules book on them when they go fishing.

Bush got nothing better to do from retirement. Just love how you don't waste time fishing rather than just talking to him.

His wife probably put him up to it. He was very nice and civil

Here in Texas it's actually a jailable offense to interfere with or harass a hunter/angler. We also have water rights. Unless your property is completely surrounding the body of water there is like a 5 foot public easement to the navigable water. I ran into someone like this recently at a community lake. Now that I know the law, I'm just going to tell him to leave me alone or I'm calling TPWD out to cite him. I suggest looking into your states laws regarding this. If it's illegal where you are, then just call the wardens out to deal with this guy next time.

The Californians who bought those lots are the ones pushing that old man to try and keep people out I’m sure. I used to live and fish that area too.

The guy should just say he’s an illegal alien, no hablo ingles. Then, border patrol would come and bring him lunch and a gift card.

I don't argue with people on this. I have had many interactions with these types of nosey Karens and Darens and I just keep it simple. "If you think I am doing something illegal, feel free to call the authorities. Otherwise, please leave me alone or I will call them and file harassment charges against you." I also carry a cheap body camera that I carry with me just in case I have those interactions, because as we all know, Karens and Darens will straight up lie to the authorities in an attempt to get their way. Then you can get them for filing a false report and likely other charges as well. Eventually, they can lose their waterway access rights if they have any.

There needs to be more legislation to help hunters and anglers

These days My response to Karens that keep going after they can't bully me is " well if you honestly believe that your right, call the police. In fact let me call them for you!" They generally run when I actually do call them, and I do!

How you access the river is definitely important. If you crossed his property to get to the high water mark then you are in the wrong. If you waded the bank to get there then I’d say you’re good.

Dudes arent Karen's. Dudes are Darren's.

If you are 100% confident you are in a legal spot, the answer is always "Let's get the game warden out here, and if I am correct, I will be asking to press charges under the state's harassment clause." Let them put their money where their mouth is.

When you come across people like this no matter what you say they think they right. You can pull up the law on Google but even then most won't admit they're wrong or they simply can't comprehend it. All you ever need to tell them is I'm not leaving until the game warden says I'm breaking the law.

F him .I can't speak to Idaho laws but I know in many other places if you access the water from a public easement and are standing below the high water mark they can't say shi$t. If you are on navigatabl water they are also s o l . Good on you for being calm and cool.

“Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely”…Lord Acton

PREACH BROTHA

You have wayyyyyy more patience than me...i would have told the old man to shut his yapper!

Catching bait isn’t fishing but this guy is a hot dog for even approaching him 🫵😂🫵.

Been in real estate for a long time and I tell everyone looking to buy a house, never never never buy a house with an HOA your life will be a living hell.

Find out from the DNR if it’s navigable and if it isn’t then research to see how it was used. Commerce is the main criteria for declaration and not if it was floatable . If it hasn’t been declared then you may want to present your research to the State to consider a Declaration

When you argue with people like this, explain why you can legally be there. And they can call the cops if they dislike it. They hate it

If the "Karen's" are in the wrong when the game warden turns up they should be prosecuted for harrassment

I see comments about crossing the private property to access the waters edge. The “Rivers and Streams Act” I believe allows 50 feet from rivers edge and 25 from streams edge to fish. I have only been told this but not seen it in print.

Please provide a video update!

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In my blue state in the Northeast, you have to purchase a trout stamp in addition to a fishing license to get trout. Oh, and you need a fishing license to fish on the shore of the ocean. You never needed a state license to fish salt water before. And they wonder how to get people in the sport of fishing?

Navigable vs riparian is one debate. High water mark is the navigable standard, center of the river is the riparian standard. This being a navigable discussion, the HOA guys point may have been one about egress. Egess matters even in navigable water. That said, everything I saw in the video was legal. The HOA's next step will be address the access if the trails to the stream go across private property. Trail cams are used for this regularly.

The highest water line does not belong to the land owner.

A man spending quality time with his child and he has to deal with this bs…

You were definitely a lot more polite than I would have been.

I have read that if the waters are stocked by the state then there must be an easement for fishermen who posses a valid fishing license.

You spent more time with him than I would. When he said that it is coming to an end, I would say, "Not today, step off."

In Fl. the high-water mark on the bank is the river and the landowner does not own a free-flowing body of water up to the high-water mark or All you need is a boat. Also tell him if you don't like me here then call some law enforcement and let them tell I'm breaking the law because, BUDY? you don't have the AUTHORITY to tell me to leave as far as I'm concerned.

When you said 25 years of tenure there, he should’ve just shut up, turned around and walked away. I’m not too familiar with Idaho’s laws because I only ever fish in Clifton, but here in Utah you must have no trespassing signs or a gate in order to actually punish people who step on your land. If you really want to piss this guy off, start fishing from the bridge road, that’s a federally owned road and you have every right to be on it, fishing pole or no fishing pole. I agree with you on land for recreational fishing is slowly disappearing, it’s the same here with places to ride dirt bikes. I dislike rich people who think they own the planet because they earned the paper for it.

For years we used to fish off the side of the road as long as I can remember about 10 years ago they put signs up no fishing nets because people were leaving trash lawn chairs s diapers And ruined it for all the people Used to fish there and took the trash home with them

The old man hasn't lived there his whole life. If he did, and that's a big if. He would know millions of people fish all parts of the snake. And he can only stock a lake that is private if he pays for the fish himself. I never heard in Idaho where the fish and game just up and stocked private property ponds. Unless you payed for them to do it. He's from California no doubt.

Every state water way laws differ here in Alabama if you launch in a public place (boat ramp) and you go 10.miles down or up river and see an opening of a creek channel and can navigate your boat through it with out passing through a gate that closes the creek a gate now I remind you and it opens up to a lake you are permitted to fish it regardless if it's privately owned or not due to the fact you entered through it on public access so if you own that lake and you have people enter it through that channel you have to get permission to place a gate not a fence or cut a tree down but an actual gate that can be locked and put a no trespassing sign on it to legally keep people out of your private lake

4:05 SKIP THIS, he says the same thing for 4 mins straight non stop

It's useless most of the time trying to argue with Karen's and Ken's. I would have told the guy, "Sir, this is considered a navigable waterway under federal and state law. I have riparian rights to fish from the bank up to the high water mark under Idaho law which is about 2 feet behind me in the grass. If you have a problem with me being here please feel free to call law enforcement and have them come out. Have a blessed day." Theoretically one COULD get in trouble if they trespassed getting to the bank, but in this case, there is a bridge in the background, and an easement so many feet from the centerline of the road.

That’s now your sacred fishing grounds

You are a lot nicer than I would have been, good for you.

I dwell on the shore of Gulf of Mexico. Lots of questions I don't have answers for. I don't want anyone telling me where to go but I also don't want parting Spring Breakers setting up in what is essentially my backyard. Legit Concerns from both sides. In the end I think ownership, of land, will always trump "right to public enjoyment". Not in 100% agreement. I just respect others. I stay away from other people's shit. I don't mix pleasure with fighting. High water mark... come-on... if you have to use that in an argument you're gasping for air.

I would gather all my buddies up and have a group fishing day

The issue is not the fishing, but the land. If you’re on the land, then you’re on private property. In some places it even the bottom of the river is considered private property, you can float through it, but you can’t put your feet on the bottom.

This guy has nothing else to do with his time sad......

Here if your within the regular level of the river you can walk and fish.... go on the bank or above normal crest than your trespassing on private property.... any area you can reach from a public road you can fish that small road width from the bank but nothing more... this is Tx laws though always check your state laws

The supreme court has consistently ruled, the river water belongs to the public! Therfore the public has the right to use the river!.

If they own both sides of the river the high water rules don’t apply as far as I know. You can float through it

As a fellow dedicated fisherman, I can tell you that most of us think we’re experts on riparian law, when in fact, it can be very tricky, if not complex. Riparian law is completely different than conventional law. Yes, certain laws apply to “navigable” waters, but what is the legal definition of navigable. It not only has to do with the obvious, that a boat can navigate it, but other criteria apply as well, such as width, depth, length, source, naturally occurring or man made, etc. What verification do you have that it is navigable other than assumption or word of mouth? Rather than all the tit for tat, simply contact fish and wildlife and request a meeting with the officer at the site. Beforehand , go down to the courthouse and spend a couple dollars and get a copy of the plat of the related subdivision and bring it to your meet. I don’t know if it is or not, but if that was a man made channel, maybe many, many years ago, it’s entirely possible ( not probable) the developer conveyed ownership of the lot to the middle of the stream bed. (An example of the complexities of riparian law.) You could be dead right, or, dead wrong. If you’re right, you should stand up for yourself. If you’re wrong, lesson learned, and move on. I’m on your side, I just think you need to get all the facts. It seems there are 2 types of people One that actually wants a resolution to an issue, And the other that is just to looking to express themselves. Decide which type you are and base your actions on that. Thanks for listening :)

Screw that Karen dude! People fish the river on my property all the time and I can't do anything. You cannot own navigable waterways In Alaska. Keep on fishing.

Reminds me of the time I was at my local sheriffs office on a Saturday morning, and the people in front of me were trying to file a report on a father and son were fishing from a public area into a public access lake behind their house.

You have every right to fish this water from boat

In Wisconsin the landowner owns the bank so you could get nailed for trespassing unless you stay in the water wading or in a watercraft. In Illinois where I use to live, the landowner also owns the land UNDER the water so you can get nailed just for wading! Most farmers, landowners don't mind but you could get asked to leave or charged if the guy wants to be a dick!

I can only speak for Ohio laws on this. Private land and it's lots run to the edge of the water, signs should be posted if someone doesn't want someone trespassing, fishing or hunting on their land if they're going to be serious about any of that. This includes multiple lots run by an HOA. High water marks mean little due to flooding,which can leave a high water mark a lot higher than a true high water mark and you would have had to walk through private property to get there. Roads having names don't mean anything and the land would be owned by the developer until sold to an individual, so would still be private property requiring written permission. Now that covers the private land. Private man made lakes must be marked as such as well and must be registered with the county Auditor. Any waterway that connects to a natural water source that isn't posted is considered public/state owned. The state basically owns the water, so no matter if the land itself on both sides of a waterway are owned, they do not own the water and people can boat or wade down them as long as they don't go to shore on private land. Any bank fishing on private land needs written permission, just like hunting on private land, if you don't own the land. Whether you've had problems in the past or not, once proven to be on private land you are at the discretion of the landowner. Best bet is to call the Warden, they will make sure of everything and solve the situation. Arguing with someone just isn't worth it now days, let the Warden handle it, the worst that might happen is you'll be told don't come back. Just because you see all sorts of people breaking the law doesn't mean you can or should. Sorry dude, but he was being polite and just giving you information, he didn't get loud, he didn't tell you to pack it up and get out, you seemed to be the confrontational one, giving excuses why you should be allowed to be trespassing in this instance, so your assertion that he was a "Karen" is incorrect.

Good job standing up for what is your legal right

The waterways are public, The HOA can go stuff if.. HOA IS THE BIGGEST JOKE..

never ever buy in an HOA this is the kind of lame stuff you have to deal with power hungry fools.

All these rich people buying up everything for themselves trying to pad their pockets 💰

The homeowners association might govern the properties but they cannot govern Open Water right of ways. He can tell you, you're standing on private property and ask you to leave. But now if you are in a canoe sitting at that same location in the center of the canal there's nothing he can do about it. You can be trespassed off the land but not the water.

See the tide it’s a river or bay !! This old guy look how clean this area is no trash shows me nothing but respect for the environment !! Fishing with your kid and someone is trying to ruin it !! That’s just ludicrous that this old guy would talk you should have handed the fishing rod to with the fish on so he can see how much fun it is !!

That’s when ya stop the nice guy conversation and give em the ol’ “we’ll call someone’s whose opinion on the subject matters because yours doesn’t” and leave it at that.

This is why I won’t buy a house on a HOA

Thats why these days I carry a copy of Idaho fishing regs. Any navigable waterway is a public thoroughfare. Idaho is pretty liberal with the definition of "navigable" too, pretty much any body of water you can float a chunk of wood in. I was a raft/fishing guide and loved telling my clients "there are no private beaches in idaho as long as you don't trespass getting to them."

Waaaaay nicer than I would have been, I commend you!!!

Karens are bad enough but an HOA-karen is 2 evils together - both are pointless and totally unncessaey !

Life is too short to worry about about stupid stuff like a couple people fishing. Especially for that old guy, he should do something worthwhile with what little time he has left.

I just say "no English' when approached by these type of people.

Why are Fishermen, the new Skateboarders!? Karens hating on people for doing anything these days.

I'd be tempted to ask the old fellow what his point is & to eventually go kick rocks. You're not bothering anyone. And as far as I can tell, you're not breaking any laws.