Hobie Pro Angler 12 360 /VS\ Hobie Pro Angler 12 Kickup Fin
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4 жыл бұрынTake a ride with Bryan and I as we test out the latest Hobie Mirage Pro Angler MD 360. The video started off as a comparison review between the standard Pro Angler 12 and the new Pro Angler 12 360, but we quickly realized there is no comparing these two kayaks. The new 360 offers a whole new level of control that we've never experienced in a pedal drive fishing kayak. You owe it to yourself to demo and see what all the fuss is about.
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@HeadwatersKayak 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching. More info can be found on our site.headwatersadventure.com/product/2020-pro-angler-12-with-miragedrive-360/
@williamtheturtle7576 4 жыл бұрын
Nice work!! Love the videos keep up the awesome work.
@davidcrowson4745 4 жыл бұрын
Cool stuff guys 😎 always enjoy your videos 👍
@rubenrosas2434 4 жыл бұрын
When the 360 drive one goes on sale as a demo I want it !!!!!! Lol
@Outwestwithchris1 4 жыл бұрын
I like the look of those kick up fins.
@Ken-dp2ix 4 жыл бұрын
Dan, Thanks for getting back to me. Lightning fast reply.
@daltoncope4739 4 жыл бұрын
Love the kayak! But I would like to know more about that bright green PFD please!!
@wagnersantana_ Жыл бұрын
It's a dream to me get one like this. But here in Brazil it's very expensive... I hope to buy one like this yak. Great kayaks and great review.
@cesarmedrano3344 4 жыл бұрын
Oh Oh! Something tells me that I will start seeing a lot of PAs (older) for sale, and relatively cheap. Woooohoooo!!!
@ArbitraryLifestyle 3 жыл бұрын
Relatively cheap is relative :P Hobies aren't ever cheap in my experience.
@XploreAz 3 жыл бұрын
Haha! You said cheap.
@Gerz970 4 жыл бұрын
why am i here my budget is about 1/3 of what these kayaks cost
@SRTKOVA Жыл бұрын
Go get a job a save money so u csn get if
@MooMooOutdoors 4 жыл бұрын
😍😍 I can't wait to try it 😱😱
@pitchkapizda8355 2 жыл бұрын
Great review loved it 👍🏼
@kevinsandells9933 4 жыл бұрын
Would like to own one of them but the wallet says nope.
@Ozzypup1 4 жыл бұрын
Very cool. But my wife would be dropping me at the homeless shelter if I spent this much on a kayak.
@me3851 4 жыл бұрын
Would you get to keep the kayak? Trying to weigh the pros and cons.
@reyrey2098 4 жыл бұрын
What’s the negative effect?
@az_pit_viper4270 3 жыл бұрын
And the problem is? She sounds like a keeper, said no one ever...
@xeroblastx 3 жыл бұрын
Dude i just got one and im on a wing and a prayer… Fortunately i have other toys i can sell to make up for this purchase but im definitely washing dishes for a minute 🤣… Whats worse is i just sold a few guns to my old town salty… I clearly have a death wish
@xarrow81 4 жыл бұрын
I like that vest!
@wkdravenna 4 жыл бұрын
What a great son. That looks like a nice yak also.
@LowellFrancisco 3 жыл бұрын
My DREAM kayak!😃
@fysh1945 4 жыл бұрын
Looks like a great kayak. For Dan to say it beats the Titan says a LOT. How well does the new Hobie drive do in thick weeds? It would be interesting to take the Hobie drive and Propel drive through the same thick weeds and see how they compare.
@timbarnett3898 4 жыл бұрын
Dan, after watching this video an see this 360 unit (Looks complex) I thought of a 360 propulsion system using water pressure out of a simple round rotating pipe use peddles to flush water through pipe using left hand dial to turn unit around in 360. Water pressure like poor man's jet boat! Haha this could be much simpler! Thanks, Tim get back with me!
@dannylee9209 4 жыл бұрын
Really nice , make out the drawing, get a patent, I am the first to buy. But, not for $4800 !
@timbarnett3898 4 жыл бұрын
Didn't get one thumbs up, so I guess idea not any good!
@pa1264 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome video
@rschreck876 4 жыл бұрын
How the eff didn’t you guys sell out of them already? Wish we were able to get shop demo’s.
@mackb3164 4 жыл бұрын
Dan - what would you pick? Hobie PA360, or Blue Sky 360 Pro with a Minn Kota w/ i-Pilot?
@MikeKing710 Ай бұрын
My next wishlist🤩
@jerrykrobby 4 жыл бұрын
Good job Dad!
@waynemcphail7825 3 жыл бұрын
Great video
@mouafishing2150 4 жыл бұрын
Does the new kick up fins drive on the new (not the 360 model) 2020 PA have the 180 reverse?
@nubfishin9152 4 жыл бұрын
Really nice product. Its like cars. Wide price range. Folks argue with my about my SP10. Why get that when I could have gotten a sit on top for 400? Just use a paddle they say.
@rshotty9039 4 жыл бұрын
that wood duck is killing me
@vagabond-yj8pn 4 жыл бұрын
Hobie getting it done.
@michaelnicolaysen7391 4 жыл бұрын
Do you not have independent control of the rudder and drive rotation? Seems like the boat would possibly behave in an undesirable way at times if they work on the same control.
@HeadwatersKayak 4 жыл бұрын
Michael Nicolaysen dame hand desperate controls. Should have got a closer shot. It’s pretty intuitive. Honestly I did 90% of my direction just with the flippers when I was playing in it.
@johnfuente8447 4 жыл бұрын
What type of pedals or trolling motor would be good for 2 feet of water? Could they be adjusted for depending the depth? Anyone knows?
@tom9804 4 жыл бұрын
Nice idea, but now both hands are busy steering (one for the drive azimuth, the other for the rudder). Just need to grow a third arm/hand to fish with.
@HeadwatersKayak 4 жыл бұрын
Watch again. You can do both with one hand. You gotta try it before you knock it. Works way easier than you think.
@czwest7845 4 жыл бұрын
Great video Thanks! How is the 360's tracking (did you try the scag) going straight compared to 180's tracking same worse or better ?
@czwest7845 4 жыл бұрын
@Paul T I know drive is different LOL! The movement of 360 if not perfectly straight will it effect tracking?
@wdh1068 4 жыл бұрын
It is more maneuverable when you aren't actively fishing, sure, but don't you still have to have your hands available to back up and go forward? So, if i'm fishing, isn't that a disadvantage? I don't have pedals of any kind at the moment, but I wish I did. When I'm fishing, I often want to move forward and backward, but I can't - I need my paddle. I imagine that a Native pedal drive would win on that front. Or, perhaps I'm missing the point? Thanks.
@HeadwatersKayak 4 жыл бұрын
wdh1068 that sounds like a future video! Great question. The only honest way to answer is a side by side day of fishing! Love my job.
@wdh1068 4 жыл бұрын
Headwaters Kayak I’m happy to help! Where can I meet you? ;)
@Buusfly 4 жыл бұрын
@@HeadwatersKayak I will love it if you demo that question, im fishing the shoreline, an i just want to keep the position, when i hit a shoal off fish, an like wdh1068 says, it dosent seems to be possible with the new 360mirage drive.
@valentinia1 4 жыл бұрын
Nope! Still love my 2020 Old Town Predator PDL.😘
@mre4875 4 жыл бұрын
So as long as the arrow points forward you have kick-up fins, but with the fins ability to rotate 360 degrees you snap off your fins if you lose focus on the directional arrow? It's late and I'm tired, maybe I missed something.😵 Hobie does make a sweet product but they have totally priced me out of contention. Great video though Dan, as usual. 👍
@HeadwatersKayak 4 жыл бұрын
Mr E whatever way the fins are facing is the direction of the Propulsion so chances are if you hit something you’ll be under way and they will kick up. Or if your worries just flip them against the hull same as before. $$ is high, but when you lead the way I guess you charge the most. You can buy a pretty rigged out titan with electronics and a motor for similar $$. To each is own.
@mre4875 4 жыл бұрын
@@HeadwatersKayak See, told you I was tired and may have missed something. A total "duh" moment. 😄 👍
@jeremyleonguerrero9492 3 жыл бұрын
Headwaters kayak hey guys you think you can do a video on kayaks for kids. I wanna get my grand kids into kayaking but don’t know where to start. Thank You
@gladwinlineses582 4 жыл бұрын
how's that in offshore fishing? do you have any vids?
@mistapikkles 4 жыл бұрын
do you even need a rudder with that 360 drive?
@reapersegura5492 4 жыл бұрын
360 👍
@bikerush1 4 жыл бұрын
How's the warranty on the drive
@CrunkyOMan83 4 жыл бұрын
I like the features, question is that pond connected to ar?
@HeadwatersKayak 4 жыл бұрын
DeezRMyDays nope off the Sac River.
@CrunkyOMan83 4 жыл бұрын
@@HeadwatersKayak is it private or public accessible?
@HeadwatersKayak 4 жыл бұрын
Public
@Chaucerfaux1 4 жыл бұрын
This is a full odd ball of a statment here, i would be interested to see if hobie could make a tandem twin pedal drive sit ontop yak. i could only imagin how fast that thing could cut through water with two people using two independand fully functional pedal drives .
@bigguyinalittleboat7927 4 жыл бұрын
Chaucer Faux they make one. A 17 tandem.
@davidsjelin1739 4 жыл бұрын
Will they add this to the outback?
@Kickthelighter 3 жыл бұрын
There are rumors in 2021. No clue if its true or not
@suhwateezea.214 4 жыл бұрын
@Headwaters kayak. Hello I recently got a 2020 hobie outback and need to upgrade my life jacket. Could you recommend a good life vest most comfortable with the 2020 outback seat and still good for fishing?
@HeadwatersKayak 4 жыл бұрын
Jacobl Hammonds this is my favorite. store.headwaterskayak.com/shop/PFDs/p/NRS-Chinook-2019-x36912195.htm
@suhwateezea.214 4 жыл бұрын
@@HeadwatersKayak thank you so much for your quick response. I saw someone else recommend this one and I am definitely leaning towards it. A lot of people recommend inflatables but I can't trust em.
@frankverweij1 2 жыл бұрын
Ok boys, how is hobie pro angler going to compete with the old town sportsman minn kota spot lock this year? Happy new year from the Netherlands
@tonymoraitis1650 2 жыл бұрын
Hobie PA 360, wins hands down ! 1 / it’s got heaps more storage, it got heaps more deck space, and way more fishable” 2/ it peddle power, human power, don’t have to keep checking on battery power. 3/ you can add a bow mount motor with spot lock if you need to. And add to that, you have your MD360 as well for back up ‘ with old town 120 you have nothing if you run out of battery, just paddles :( Sportsman 120 is a toy, a remote control boat, not a fishing kayak ! Hobie are the leaders and no 1 nothing comes close !
@johnpuckett899 4 жыл бұрын
Okay how did you get a green and white they were saying the only color she was going to be able to get it in for the first round was going to be blue and white
@HeadwatersKayak 4 жыл бұрын
John Puckett I’d like to claim I was special, but honestly they just announced a second color and we ordered it.
@johngriffin5446 4 жыл бұрын
so, should I buy a used center console boat or a kayak? lol
@enzo6804 3 жыл бұрын
how’s it doing after a year tho? heard they’re very problematic
@adolfoarrieta5178 4 жыл бұрын
Great kayaks but too expensive,
@carleck 4 жыл бұрын
Totally out of the budget of most subscribers.
@Jboyz0323 3 жыл бұрын
Hmm how would it do in the ocean?
@freakfiveoh 4 жыл бұрын
Has Hobie mentioned offering the 360 on any other models in the future?
@HeadwatersKayak 4 жыл бұрын
My Car Life not to us yet.
@TridentDriver 4 жыл бұрын
I think the thought is that on a narrower yak you run the risk of flipping it when powering from the side.
@ThePassad 4 жыл бұрын
it can still not move backwards handsfree
@EerieBetrayal 4 жыл бұрын
it looks awesome but $7300AUD? what?
@ArbitraryLifestyle 3 жыл бұрын
I hate the HUGE gap in the back of the seat on the PAs.
@kirkshammett94 Жыл бұрын
Wait so is there not a pull cord to go in reverse?
@HeadwatersKayak Жыл бұрын
Not on the 360; no need for it since the handle spins the drive a full 360 degrees.
@cj_fishing 9 ай бұрын
0:47 what kayak stands are those? if anyone could help that’d be awesome.
@RoadLifePursuits 4 жыл бұрын
Like you stated, it's not cheap and on top of that it looks like you have to use 2 hands to control it...so what am I going to do with my fishing rod if both of my hands on on the controls of the yak :) Great video showing what it can do, but I personally think it's more of a gimmick and a costly one at that.
@HeadwatersKayak 4 жыл бұрын
G Davis not sure how you got two hands. One hand control. Like I stated it’s one of the easiest kayaks to control that I’ve ever been in.
@RoadLifePursuits 4 жыл бұрын
@@HeadwatersKayak Your left had is on the 360 handle and your right is on the rudder or what ever that is....both hands ....I have watched a few videos on this and everyone seems to have 1 hand on each control....so....if both hands are busy... :)
@HeadwatersKayak 4 жыл бұрын
You have a rudder on each side so no need to use both hands if your fishing. The 360 control is over the rudder control and the rudder control has a necker knob. Should have got better footage. Not trying to argue the point here, just want to make the right info is getting out. No matter what kayak you choose wether it be native, Oldtown wilderness, Feelfree, etc you have at least one hand busy with direction. This boat just gives you more options.
@RoadLifePursuits 4 жыл бұрын
@@HeadwatersKayak No worries, People can make up their own minds and as you stated different footage maybe would help because if you go watch this again, you will see in almost every single instance you both have a hand on both sides :) People need to be aware I guess they can try to use one hand, but still...in this video and many others, no one is using one hand operation. Love the videos BTW...this is not about you, it's about the kayak...you guys always give great info.
@1tcrjr 4 жыл бұрын
Headwaters Kayak is it possible to flip the control to the right hand side? I am left handed so that’s the hand the rod is in
@kehtal9715 4 жыл бұрын
I think Dan nailed it. What it really comes down to for me is whether the MD360 is worth spending an extra $800 over the MD180, or $2000 over the cost of a Native Titan 12 or Slayer 12 Max. As far as I'm concerned, if you're already leaning towards the MD180 over a Native Propel boat, just drop the extra $800 on the MD360. You've either got enough money to do it, or you're disciplined enough to keep saving until you do. If you're not already leaning towards the PA12 with the MD180, my first thought would be "I can buy a lot of new gear with the $2000 I'm not spending on the boat".
@kehtal9715 4 жыл бұрын
No idea why I put Dave. Between this channel and Greg's I've seen enough of Dan's stuff to know better.
@HeadwatersKayak 4 жыл бұрын
🤣 no worries man. Yea if your looking at a regular PA this is a total no brainer. It’s worth every cent for the upgrade. If your looking at a native for $2500 then your talking about some serious cash to upgrade. And to be honest the titan is a close second when it comes to control. The Hobie does have other bells whistles and be idiots too though.
@russellmoore1533 4 жыл бұрын
Early adapters always pay for the privilege. Wait a year or two and it will come down in price. At the moment you pay for the development costs.
@HeadwatersKayak 4 жыл бұрын
Russell Moore doubt it. I’ve watched Hobie over the past 15 years and I’ve never seen them go down in price. Almost always they jump up in price the following year. Time will tell though.
@russellmoore1533 4 жыл бұрын
@@HeadwatersKayak The 360 looks great, but not at those prices!
@roberthoovan4130 4 жыл бұрын
5 grand
@rocky2841 3 жыл бұрын
its a want versus a need on 360. there's no way you can tell me sideways will catch more fish.
@Kickthelighter 3 жыл бұрын
I just want it to keep myself offa pilings when chasing convicts
@ArbitraryLifestyle 4 жыл бұрын
Well shit, I didn't want the 360 cuz it's like $1,000 more and forward and reverse have been fine, but after seeing the maneuverability in detail...
@HeadwatersKayak 4 жыл бұрын
ArbitraryLifestyle let’s put it this way. I’ve never had someone come and demo both and go home with the non-360. But if you already have the regular one, you want me disappointed. If you love it you’ll always upgrade down the line
@ArbitraryLifestyle 4 жыл бұрын
@@HeadwatersKayak totally understand why. I have a '16 Outback that I love, but I will absolutely be upgrading in the next year or two.
@jedibill111 3 жыл бұрын
Here is Canada they are asking $6,115.00 before tax. So that is 6,115 x .15= 917.25 so 6,115 + 917.25 = 7,032.25 . Then the lowest PDF price is $139.00 x .15 = 20.85 So that's another $ 160.00 . Basically I would be looking at $ 7200.00 . For that money I could get a used 12 ft aluminum with trailer and a 15 horse motor. A fish finder, 2 life jackets then install a hitch on the car to tow it. It is one hell of a nice rig but she's not that nice at that price. Ouch.
@Jr23_ 4 жыл бұрын
for that price i will buy a boat instead
@eddie72bx99 4 жыл бұрын
The prices are insane wait a year and the price drop about half just not worth buying new
@XploreAz 3 жыл бұрын
Haha when have you ever seen prices of a Hobie drop by anywhere near half?
@newyaker3462 4 жыл бұрын
People complain about price ....listen here this ain’t made for your average weekend warriors who fish on occasion...this is made for tournament fishermen...hands down the best kayak for tournament fishermen
@morganghetti 2 жыл бұрын
So they took and already complicated, and over engineered drive and made it more prone to failure. Nice.
@HeadwatersKayak 2 жыл бұрын
🐪
@patrickcieslak7858 4 жыл бұрын
5th generation kayak
@aydenpainter6762 4 жыл бұрын
Lower the price by $4000 and I will buy it
@HVVYMETAL 3 жыл бұрын
So, this stays the same, that stayed the same, this stays the same, this is the same, this is the same but... we changed the drive. Sooo.... we doubled the price. You're welcome 😊
@youngchillman 2 жыл бұрын
Ethan just sold me a hobie sorry Native!!
@Chris-zm7wh Жыл бұрын
But my still requires you to take tour hand away from fishing to go in reverse
@wthisahandlefor 4 жыл бұрын
i feel bad for all the pro-angler 2019 owners
@ormonddude 4 жыл бұрын
Dude you can buy a decent used Jetski for the $4600 these things cost
@HeadwatersKayak 4 жыл бұрын
True but then you’d have a used Jet Ski and that’s not the same thing.
@Mbtharp1 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah then you can pay for a new motor when it blows up 3 days later. Apples to oranges.
@TheMass33 4 жыл бұрын
Bro just hook a brother up with a hobie!
@RickyD1968 3 жыл бұрын
Cool boat but waaay to much $$$
@perry1134 4 жыл бұрын
6 grand in kayaks in one video xD
@Kickthelighter 3 жыл бұрын
The 360 is damn near that much by itself lol
@JMag1 4 жыл бұрын
Too pricey and too heavy for my tastes. The drive is awesome and it's a great boat, but if I cant just solo load it and go, or easily flip it back over if it capsizes, then to me it defeats the purpose of owning a yak, which is affordability and portability.
@Brian-vz7xe 4 жыл бұрын
I have made up my mind, even an inflatable dinghy for coastal fishing is the cheapest safest and safest way to go. As long as it is not punctured you're all good. If it is a shark attack a kayak wouldn't survive it either. So cheaper, fit others on it to go fishing with you and won't roll over as easy. My middle finger towards these expensive kayak is slowly erecting itself every time I compare the two.
@BettySwollocks13 4 жыл бұрын
£5000 English pounds........... nah!
@pernamore4224 Жыл бұрын
These two cant and shouldnt be compared. Its big bank take little bank.
@HeadwatersKayak Жыл бұрын
Shouldn’t be compared? What the hell are you even saying?
@pernamore4224 Жыл бұрын
@@HeadwatersKayak lol
@STILLPHENOM 4 жыл бұрын
Makes no sense they couldn't make those drives fit the existing models.. greedy fks!!
@robertcarter385 4 жыл бұрын
Where would the second handle be rigged to turn the drive? It would take wuite a bit of work to retrofit one to work, even if both the drives had the same footprint
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