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The way I always saw hobo Phoenix is that he is how every other character in the series sees him, now that we don't have the luxury of knowing his inner thoughts. The overconfident chessplayer he presents himself as is actually just him doing what he has always done best: bluffing. Inside he is still the nervous sarcastic wreck he's always been and will continue to be.

Personally, I adore Phoenix’s character in AJ. I think it makes a lot of sense that he would be disbarred eventually given how messed up the legal system is in AA, and given how much “shenanigans” he gets away with in court. And I think forging evidence makes sense for him. Nick has always had such a strong belief in his client and a strong desire for the truth to be revealed, so when he can’t prove that legally, he would turn to shady tactics. Almost everything he does is in character. That all being said, I really don’t like how he takes the focus away from Apollo, particularly in the last case. I really like the crime element of turnabout succession, both in the Gramarye trial and the Misham trial. But Apollo gets to do almost nothing. I think if they left a lot of the modern day investigating to Apollo and made the last trial waaaayyyyy longer, it would work.

I just find it completely stupid that Phoenix, the most skilled and trustworthy lawyer, who has found the truth to many famous cases, would lose his badge for “forging evidence” without even as much as an investigation or doubt on his end.

Honestly? After Phoenix lied to Furio's face about the bottle at the end of Recipe, the whole bloody card thing doesn't seem as farfetched as some people make it out to be. That said, I really like hobo Phoenix

Since a lot of the spotlight is given to Phoenix in the last case, it would be cool if Apollo Justice got a Rise from the ashes style case. Apparently there was an unused backstory behind Klavier and Kristoph

I think the major problem hobo Phoenix has is that he is Phoenix. If he was a different character entirely, he could play the role of mentor much better, and it would be quite fun to try finding out what happened to this entirely new mysterious character. But Hobo Wright destroys all the progress he did in the Trilogy. We the players saw him grow, save his old friend and countless other people, carry Mia's legacy and become a capable attorney, and at his next case he literally loses his badge.

It's funny because in Japan it IS just Gyakuten Saiban 4 (basically AA 4 lol) As for Hobo Phoenix, I love his addition and I do believe that this game is more of a "passing the torch" to Apollo kinda thing. But I dislike how they didn't take this character and ran with it in future games, and I do think it may be due to different writers taking the helm for the series. In a way, I kinda treat AA5 onwards as an AU where Phoenix never got disbarred or had that hobo period which kinda makes me sad but that is how he is written in the future games.

Maybe it's just because AJ:AA was my first Ace Attorney game, but I've always liked Phoenix in this game. Going back to the original trilogy and seeing what Phoenix used to be like opened my eyes a bit, however I will always have a soft spot for Hobo Phoenix. Although the worst part about Phoenix in this game is that his new characterization is completely dropped in Dual Destinies, and outside of fan backlash, I'm still not too sure why that happens. It's almost like Dual Destinies wants to forget about AJ:AA and the events that happened in that game. Also if AJ:AA was Phoenix Wright 4, I'd probably give it the name "Spirit of Justice" since you're controlling Apollo Justice but with the spirit of Phoenix. As for what AA6 would be called instead. I dunno.

I think I heard somewhere that Capcom wanted the team behind DD to distance themselves from AJ, which explains the difference in so many aspects. I do love all 3 post-trilogy games as individual games with individual stories (I love the story of this game lol), but as a continuity it gets fuzzy. They add details here and there in DD that alludes some of Phoenix’s traits from AJ aren’t completely gone, but it is very subtle. I can’t get over the omission of the MASON system tho. It should have at least had a one-off mention saying “oh yeah that thing failed” or whatever

There is an easy explanation for Phoenix running the MASON system and the whole jury thing. And that's Edgeworth's position as chief prosecutor. We've already seen how much power proescutors in general posess in that world. And the chief of them is the most powerful. Edgeworth could have easily arranged for Phoenix to run the whole thing without there being an issue.

On Phoenix hosting the jury I personally think it's because Miles and the Judge both know that Phoenix didn't do it but they didn't have a way out of getting him out so they probably had some swing. Personally I think the Phoenix could have worked better if in Duel Destinies we don't instantly see Phoenix back at the status quo instead have some hints about it and then in the final case have him show up so there's some ending to his story. Also I say a subtitle could Phoenix Wright featuring Apollo and Trucy

Im probably in the minority, but I really don't mind AJ, mostly because Phoenix is in it. Im a sucker for Phoenix and I think that's why I don't mind it as much as other folks but I get what everyone else is saying. There was no need to call it Apollo Justice, it was basically Wright's game with Apollo being the secondary protagonist. He was basically a bridge for Phoenix and Kristoph. What AJ definitely needed was a 5th case to tie up the loose ends of AJ to DD..

I just finished this game and it kinda felt like a surreal revenge fantasy Wright daydreamed while taking a shower, living all alone and depressed after being disbarred.

I find him an interesting character and like seeing how he uses his experience and connections to go through the lengths necessary to revamp the justice system. It was a big risk to take after concluding his arc in the trilogy, but I can respect it, even if it didn't land with a lot of people. I think the impact would have been better if they didn't back out of this decision in Dual Destinies. One thing I will say Dual Destinies did right was connect "normal" Phoenix and "hobo" Phoenix by making him come off as he was in the trilogy when you play as him, but when he's an NPC, he behaves more like Hobo Phoenix, with his outward mentor attitude and how he playfully mocks his proteges. I think it highlights the difference between seeing Phoenix from a first and third party perspective. That said, I can echo the sentiment that it could have been a different character. I believe Takumi even wanted him to be, but Capcom insisted on including Phoenix in the game. Having him be Phoenix adds to the shock factor and makes you care about the mystery more, but I think not that much would be lost if they made him a new character with some backstory changes to make the player care about him more. About Apollo, I think people downplay his role in the game. He doesn't get much of a backstory, but he does have a clearly defined purpose and his own character. He's the necessary viewpoint character who has to deal with how the justice system keeps getting worse in the courtroom while Phoenix does his thing behind the scenes. He also stands out from Phoenix by being much more of a no-nonsense straight man in terms of how he bounces off the other, more wacky characters. It helps if you consider Dual Destinies and Spirit of Justice his games, essentially making this his own trilogy. He gets established in this game, but gets more backstory in the sequels. Regarding your mention of Gumshoe, they actually planned to include him in Spirit of Justice, but concluded he'd be too old to be a detective by that point. But that reasoning doesn't make sense because he's only around 40 by the time that game takes place, and there are detectives (like Tyrell Badd) who are even older and still on the force. As for what I'd call the game if it was Phoenix Wright 4, I'd go with Forgery of Justice or something like that. Both to reference Phoenix's forgeries (both the false one and the real one) and to reference the fact that he's forging a new justice system in form of the Jurist System.

One thing you should know: Shu Takumi was actually against the idea of Phoenix being in the game; but Capcom begged Takumi until he could make an appearance in the game.

What really got me about this game, this is how everyone (bar Maya maybe) viewed Phoenix. The audience had Phoenix's perspective the whole time, so we know how... hot headed and un-composed he is all the time. But Hobo Phoenix's collected demeanor is simply how everyone else viewed him during the original trilogy.

I think the subtitle should be something like A New Sun. Apollo's associated with the sun in Greek mythology, Phoenix wants to shed light onto the dark age of the law in a new system, Apollo Justice is a new lawyer, and Phoenix treats him a bit like an adopted son in this game.

My idea for a possible fix would be to add a new fourth case to the game. In this case, it would flashback to before the first case, with you playing as Apollo while Kristoff leads the case. Kristoff would still ask you to answer questions during the trial for gameplay, but for the most part he would lead the trial. At some point during the second phase trial, Kristoff would push Apollo to attempt and indite a suspicious individual who Apollo had figured out couldn’t be the killer. Apollo will go against Kristoff’s wishes and find the real killer, but his mentor won’t break his facade. The case would be free of Phoenix, and allow Apollo and Kristoff to both get more development.

As a kid who grew up with the triology, I was caught off guard by AJ Phoenix, but by the end of the game, as I learned how he came to this state, I came to understand and love his new personality. I also don't think Phoenix using the Ace card is out of character since he did something similar in T&T during the third case with _that_ bottle. This was just a much higher stakes version. Overall, I absolutely adored his new persona and excitedly awaited what they would do with him... *THEN DD THREW **_EVERYTHING_** FROM AJ INTO THE TRASH AND BURNED THE DUMPSTER!*

His character in this game makes a lot of sense in the grander scheme of things. He's a guy who's fought for the people in a system that's rigged against him. When his luck finally runs out when he makes enemies, that same system chews him up and spits him out like a client with no lawyer. and so, seeking to make a bigger impact than he could ever do as a lone man, he seeks systemic change. I think it's as good as it can get without involving politics. To summarise: By fair means and foul, he was screwed over by the system, and by fair means and foul, he makes systemic changes.

Turnabout Succession really should have 2 separate cases like how Trials and Tribulations had both Beginnings and Bridge. It would allow both for the Phoenix centering with the Magnifi murder and a more complete final case for Apollo with the Misham murder. I also wish we actually got to see his fatherly side with Trucy in either this game or the following ones. I really enjoyed the dynamic he had with Rayfa in SOJ so exploring that part of him would be interesting.

I just wanted a direct sequel to Apollo Justice that does NOT disregard 90 percent of what happened before, was I so wrong in wanting that?

I think I'd say Hobonick is a good character, but not really a good Phoenix, that last part where you mentioned being the off screen growth should've been on screen to make it more digest-able and believable is what i've been saying for years on forums and such. he just feels too different without seeing the journey and development that lead to it. it also just kinda feels bad that you have 3-5 wrapping up the story and characters nicely then "uh oh, the very next case he lost his badge and is now a grape juice addict that plays cards for a living" it feels like a real slap in the face of "why the fuck did i even bother playing the previous few games?" so yeah i'll say that he should've been someone else because this character can work.

I personally love how Hobo Pheonix was done. We spent the trilogy seeing him rise up to fame defending everyone who he believed to be innocent, only to suddenly see him at rock bottom without knowing what exactly happened until the final case.

AJ is actually my favorite game in the series. I love Hobo Phoenix, Apollo, and Trucy’s dynamic. I think if they game this set up a proper trilogy like the Og trilogy did it could have been amazing. However once Shu Takumi left the development to the Investagation’s team they took to Takeshi Yamazaki’s approach of not referencing the major story beats of previous games so the players could start any game as their first.

I personally like Hobo Phoenix (Beanix). One: DILF holy shit Two: I believe it shows how Phoenix has responded to his disbarment Three: DILF All jokes aside, we don’t hear his internal monologues, so he seems more serious and mysterious. The seriousness of his gives a mature nature to our goofy boy, and it contrasts with the naivety of Apollo. Their relationship could have definitely been more flushed out in the cases, but there is a foil between the two.

To be honest Phoenix also seems out of character In the flashback. He literally says "You're out of your league rock boy." And has a extermely arrogant attiude.

He gives me hip-hop graffiti vibes, more of a vigilante than a hero per-say and I really digged this shift and just like in real life people often progress and regress.. as a survivor of abuse, injustice and oppression in the system I feel I can relate to his perspective alot and its both bitter sweet and endearing

I just finished AA yesterday and I agree with the conclusion. Phoenix is fantastic in this game. Jaded, cynical and absolutely vicious. It's really fantastic to play Turnabout Trump and see just how wickedly dangerous Phoenix has become. They also give you the idea that he's out for revenge, presumably throughout the seven years since his disbarment right from the get go. So to me it never felt odd that he's turned out this way. Unexpected, for sure, but they lay just enough breadcrumbs that you can imagine him taking a path that would eventually lead him where you find him. Absolutely loved it. Even in the flashback case when he's against Klavier, you also get a Phoenix that's way ahead what he used to be back in his games. Until the time comes when he presents the dodgy evidence, Phoenix was just steamrolling Klavier. He's confident, intelligent and just relentless. It's a great payoff to having gone through the 3 games with him. But AA just fails pretty much everywhere else so it's hard to keep it up. Ultimately they never build anything interesting for Apollo (in that game at least), chicken out of delivering in what they do build in any way (and, oh my god, is the source of Apollo's superpower and implications thereof incredibly dumb and pointless) because god forbid the new main cast has any sort of character development and just the entire game feels like it's so rough around the edges that it out-firsts PWAA. The investigations are nonsense, Perceiving is annoying as heck and grinds trials to a halt, everything just drags on forever, Klavier's music is like some repurposed unfinished Megaman X song that is cool for 15 seconds and then immediately gets old for the rest of the game.... Heck, I had to look up walkthroughs 3 or four times in the game because neither me nor my wife could figure out how to trigger whatever flag was next. So.... yeah, Hobo Phoenix gets trapped in a game where easily the best part is when it drops all of the new things and pretends it's the old game instead.

I think unlike the original Ace Attorney, Apollo Justice ends with a bunch of loose ends. I think if its sequels paid off these plot threads people would appreciate it more.

Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney A New Wave of Justice …that’s what I’d think it’d be named.

I was stalking your account and binging your videos in the last hour. Cool timing!! I was interested on your take on this too after watching your Apollo Justice video.

5:38 Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney ~ Revenge For The Past

Glad you finally made a video post the trilogy

It was a big suprise to see Phoenix like this he felt like different person sometimes but to later learn what he had to go through (plus everything he has to endure which was mostly implied) was painful and made me realize that ya this experience would slightly change anybody and in the end this is STILL Phoenix Wright albeit hobo-like lmao (althogh minis cheati g part I think hobo Nick was really desperate at that point) Very relied that we could again play as him in DD and Soj

4:35 Even Phoenix having this huge plan is rather out of character. In the trilogy, he pretty much flies by the seat of his pants and only figures things out at the last second when everything is going wrong (like a Phoenix rising from the flames so to speak). It could be character growth with time but, like his fall, the problem is we don’t see it.

Super glad I found your channel dude, I actually finished Apollo Justice recently after playing the trilogy when I was a kid, and your videos are really interesting. :] This is kind of a rambling comment but nobody I know wants hear my AA hot takes LMAO, so I’ve got a lot of thoughts. Personally my feelings towards Hobo Phoenix are complex - I think he’s a badass and they took his character in a really interesting direction that (conceptually) served this game’s purpose well, but I definitely agree that the plot underserved him by overserving him, so to speak. Like, I think in a regular mentor situation Phoenix would have been too powerful a character. They needed to keep him in the series to appeal to fans but they also needed to shelve his influence in some way that wasn’t, y’know, death. Having him disbarred and disgraced really flips the script and draws you in, at least when you move past the ‘betrayal’ over what the game did to your beloved character. I LOVED Apollo as a protag so it sucked to see him manipulated by Phoenix the same way Kristoff manipulated Klavier, and then feel like the game didn’t acknowledge Phoenix’s new moral ambiguity. And I dunno, I can’t put my finger on what it is, but while Kristoff made for a fun villain (still thinking about the skull-shaped muscle twitch in his hand), I don’t think the plot was strong enough to really justify… what they did to him? Like, he was disbarred for seven years and became the kind of person to manipulate and forge his way into victory, and for what? I really agree that a stronger plot, one with less focus on Phoenix as a whole, would have supported Hobo Phoenix a lot better. Well, I guess it doesn’t matter anyways, since from what I’ve heard, he’s backpedaled his development in DD ^_^; (Were they really bold enough to make Hobo Phoenix in the first place but not brave enough to explore his moral ambiguity or calculatedness later on?) I think EVERYONE was a little underserved by AJ’s plot, especially the titular character himself at the expense of Phoenix, but I still really enjoyed the characters. So I’m glad there are some fans who share that sentiment. Cool video, thanks for making me think :]

Would love to see you do an in depth review/analysis on the edgeworth games or the TGAT games(or both!) since you're uploading more recently

Ace Attorney 4: Better Break Bad.

playing dd and soj when he became his old self again. made the hobo phoenix arc pointless. in apollo justice he was someone who is kinda like a "Harvey Specter" from suits but hobo phoenix is also willing to forge evidence for his own gain. Honestly, I kinda like his interactions with kristoph gavin. it was unique and we see a different side of phoenix who was darker after he lost his badge. overall it has a good first and last case but a mediocre 2nd and the 3rd case gave us the guitar serenade meme. priceless.

Appolo justice has the worst final case. In the series. The trial days seem almost meaningless and anti-climatic because you already did this fake, ultimecia style, investigation where you turn back time and revert back etc. to learn basically EVERYTHING. other trials you learn something new on the day and the suspense moves forward. Not to mention everyone is saying appolo got the assistant treatment in his own game, sad for him. Phoenix also just felt like a different character entirely. However I will say I like case 3 better than most since everyone else kinda hates it. Overall AJ was a mess of a game, I think it’s the worst one in the series, but I still like alita tails in case 2 and think case 3 is the best one out of the 4 they provide.

I completely disagree with the whole "Phoenix takes the spotlight from Apollo" thing. Or rather, I find it hypocritical coming from fans that have no issue with the way the trilogy cases were written, especially the first game. Mia literally carries Phoenix in Sisters, Edgeworth is the one that ultimately nails Dee Vasquez in Samurai(although it IS Nick's closing statement that breaks her resolve) and even in Goodbyes Maya is used as a plot device to supply Nick with the one piece of evidence he needs to win. The problem is people compare Phoenix's development as a lawyer throughout the trilogy as a whole to the one Apollo had in his first game, since he never got to see his story properly continue in sequels. And that's just not fair.

Honestly, I thought Hobo Phoenix was a pretty good "Fall from grace" storyline for Phoenix... issue is, hes never punished for his negative actions (Such as rigging the jurist system just to convict one dude and using forged evidence aganist the same dude.) I always saw him more as an anti-hero then anything else, and I feel like him getting punished for what he actually did wrong instead of what he didn't do wrong would've been a lot better of a way for AJ to end. ...But then DD threw that all out the window and reverted Phoenix back to his original self.

Ace Attorney 4: Shut Up, Apollo, Daddy's Talking

Honestly, I don't mind Phoenix in AJ, with... One exception. And it's the freaking card in Turnabout Trump. Everything about that card bothers me and I hate it. 'Cause to me... In the trilogy, I always saw Phoenix as someone who does the right thing, no matter what. While he always believes in his clients (with Farewell My Turnabout being the exception to that specifically for obvious reasons), he also always seems to believe in doing what's right. ...AND THEN HE'S LIKE "HERE HERES THIS FAKE EVIDENCE"??? It's also weird to me because you know... Unknowingly presenting forged evidence is literally what ended up getting his badge taken away and all, so I wouldn't really expect him to have the card given to Apollo without Apollo knowing it was forged evidence and all that when... Phoenix also got handed some random item, presented it at an important moment, and then "oh hey guess what it's fake", and then basically lost his job, but also he has the same thing happen to Apollo (with the exception of losing job because obviously Apollo remains a lawyer)?? Just feels weird all around. I know that the game makes it incredibly clear that Kristoph is the one who killed the victim in that case, but it's just... Just something about the fake card doesn't sit right to me. To me the idea that Phoenix Wright would do that sort of thing doesn't... Feel like something he would do. Aside from that there wasn't very much that felt particularly weird to me? But that one thing is just... It sticks out a lot, and in a really bad way.

I do like Hobo Phoenix actually. And I will agree that he gets too much of the spotlight compared to Apollo but that's mainly because Apollo just _take_ any of the spotlight for himself. He has no real motivations in this game, no personal goals or stakes. Sure, Kristoph was his mentor and he's related to the Gramaryes, but the former is kind of dealt with in Turnabout Trump and it only comes to light _during_ Turnabout Succession that he's involved and for the latter he doesn't even actively find out about his heritage. He neither knows about Thalassa/Lamiroir being his mother nor about Trucy being his half-sister by the end of the game. I think Apollo Justice is a fine game, much more so than I see being the general consensus (preferring it over both DD and SoJ) but Apollo being so passive in his own game is the game's weakest point in my opinion. Phoenix is not the problem, he would've worked fine if Apollo took a more active role and the two of them had teamed up to solve everything together. Maybe have Apollo investigate the present section of the MASON System while Phoenix tells him about the past investigations he's conducted. Just make him involved and needed in Phoenix' plans while giving him a personal reason to also want to find this truth.

I think in dual destinies they should've given the spotlight to Both Apollo and Athena 80% throughout the whole game and have Phoenix have his comeback in the very last trial still with his hobo attitude

AWESOME character became an even more AWESOME character who took a turn down depression alley.

1:28 “by Ace Attorney rules, you can defend yourself” yeah you can do that in real life too. You have a right to do that. Even if you are disbarred, since law license basically allows you to defend others, you will still have a right to defend yourself. It’s just generally a bad idea to do that. Most lawyers no matter how good they are won’t defend themselves because of how bad an idea it is.

I'm not going to say he was the BEST character, but I did like the sequence that they went through in the game. After he was essentially disbarred, he went to find the truth at all costs. And that worked for me.

It honestly wouldn’t surprise me if there was both people who had this as their favorite game in the series, or their least favorite. I haven’t played it myself, but I watched a play through of it, and I enjoyed the story well enough.

I really like you good ace attorney videos

I could imagine AJAA being Pheonix Wright Ace Attorney: Next Generation or something along those lines

I really found Phoenix as a Mentor to apollo funny x3 I guess mostly because of their dynamic too since they were so opposits to one another. apollo was at the beginning so stiff and tried to go serious, while Hobo Phoenix was more lose on a surface level and joked around to get Apollo off guard. And how he was for once planing ahead and actuelly uses his brain for once was super cool. x3 I really only dislike how he went back to his old self, with nothing left of this chill and cool mentor figure. I mean he could still use bluffs in courd but in a way, where it isn`t obvious he is just pulling something out between his butcheeks and if he would had been alot more calmer like he was before he got his badge back then it could had worked. Maybe even making him first think this through if he is really ready and fit to be a lawyer in the first place ( an i mean by that more then just 1 Year.) Maybe if he would had become a laywer in soj and in dd he stayed as mentor, while he is having a little inner conflict about staying the way he is now or returning as a laywer. Maybe even him doubding serten evidence he gets when he is back as a lawyer, aspecially the once that are getting handed by people to him, since this is what got him into the mess in the first place but welp...

I'm playing DGS1/TGAA1 right now, and I already feel Herlock Sholmes did the "trickster mentor" thing far better than Beanix/AA4 Phoenix Wright. The one big problem with Beanix/AA4's Phoenix that I didn't realise until spending time with Herlock Sholmes in TGAA is that AA4 tried too hard to make Beanix into this "cool" and mysterious puppetmaster to the point that he feels much more like an untouchable Übermensch and just doesn't feel human at all as a result. Compare that to Herlock Sholmes who's TGAA's resident trickster mentor, who despite his antics towards the game's cast, still felt very human especially with his interactions with Ryunosuke Naruhodo, as opposed to Beanix treating Apollo like a mere pawn.

I think Hobo Phoenix works, but he’s kind of bungled on both ends. I think leaving him out of Turnabout Trump and instead introducing him in Turnabout Corner as a weird mentor would’ve been a cleaner transition. The forged evidence is a cool moment, but it’s mostly shock factor looking back and Kristoph being the culprit is a better twist in the long run. Trucy could instead be involved with Turnabout Trump and have the card for real, giving Apollo a business card after the trial. On DD’s side of things, I think giving him more of a presence in The Monstrous Turnabout as a supportive mentor would help re-establish Hobo Phoenix, and then following through on that, in Turnabout Countdown and the final two cases, I’d have him be less taken aback from a lot of the shenanigans (though still affected) and mostly importantly; I’d have him generally be nervous about pieces of evidence and presenting them in court. The forgery incident was a set-up after all, so it would make complete sense that after finally coming back as a lawyer, he’d have anxiety about someone just stealing that away again. The Phantom could even threaten that in Turnabout for Tomorrow as a last-ditch effort to protect himself. It would also make the threat of death in Khura’in (and their hatred of lawyers) much more stressful for Phoenix in an easily quantifiable way.

I understand both sides of the debate good and bad. Personally, I don’t mind hobo phoenix, I actually kinda liked it ?Like it did surprise me a lot but not in a bad way. Sure it does make it weird for all his progress in the trilogy. And the fact that he’s been in this state longer than a lawyer is concerning. But his rivalry with Kristoph and his relationship with Trucy and Apollo was very entertaining I also love that last line he tells Thalassa before the end credits

Yeah I'm a little torn on his character. Thing is I really like this side of him and I don't think it's completely out of character for him (though he had to have a lot of off screen development, but seven years is seven years), but knowing how he got screwed over in order to get there really sucks (especially it happening so soon after T&T). It really feels like we got extra development for Phoenix we didn't need (which is kinda exactly what happened). I like this story but I won't deny that having it be a completely new character's story would have been better. The only added benefit of this being Phoenix's story is that you immediately care about it and it is what AJ is all about. Phoenix knows the court system is biased against defense attorneys better than anyone so him wanting to change it (by including the jury) isn't a bad arc I think. Also the fact he was able to make the MASON system and organise the trial could be explained by his friends and old collegues pulling a few strings. After everything he accomplished it would make sense he had friends in higher places, but it still took seven years to get there so it remains a bit of a plot hole. My biggest gripe with it though is that the jury is completely ignored in DD and SOJ making this story a little pointless, which sucks because it's what Phoenix has been working on for seven years and the trial was successful. The point of it wasn't to convict Kristoph, but to give the jury enough reason to suspect him over Vera and declare her innocent. I do wish Lamiroir wasn't a part of the jury because that makes it seem like it was rigged when it probably wasn't (the other jurors I mean). Overall I still like it and I love Phoenix and Trucy, but it has issues.

i really wish we had a game that bridged the gap between AA3 and AJ i think his AJ persona can work to an extent, but it's ruined by the character being entirely removed in only 1 in-game year

“Every single bit of it. …Except for getting hit by a car. I hope.” Made me cackle

He’s the most underrated character in the game!

Phoenix Wright Ace Attorney 4: Bracelet of Justice

I still wish we had a Hobo skin for Phoenix in Dual Destinies or Spirit of Justice..

I know it all turns out in the end but you'd think Miles would be all over this trying to get Nick his job back. I feel like this game completely forgot about their relationship! when one of them falls the other moves heaven and earth to help them and catch the real criminal!

Phoenix Wright Ace Attorney 4 - Featuring Apollo Justice

I personally like Hobo Nick and I do think his personality makes sense, I mean it's been 7 years, got disbarred and screwed over by stuff he wasn't at fault in, those will change anyone. And also because he's not a player character anymore, he can come off as smarter since he points out stuff and gets stuff going right away rather than needing plater input for it. Though it's shown even in the flashback case he is smarter and more competent than before up til presenting forged evidence.

The only problem with AJ is that its themes are not followed up in DD or SoJ. It's clear that Shu Takumi had in mind a different development that the one that was followed in the next games. For me it's so sad, althought I'm glad that ST could develop his own ideas in the VS Professor Layton and Great Ace Attorney saga

I absolutely love the character change in AJ:AA and it is by far my favourite game in the series aesthetically, musically, story-wise, the darker and more concerning tone that the story adopts (obviously not free of comic relief but in my opinion it is far more judiciously applied). I think having Phoenix experience this doubt with the legal system even if it is a fictionalised caricature OF a legal system that is very idealistic and reductive, and his character evolving in a way that he feels it necessary to subvert the formalist “law” and values that “lawyers” hold dear to achieve capital J “Justice” is a very welcome change to the previously uncompromisingly idealistic and dashing Wright we see in the original trilogy. It may be jarring to some but in my opinion 7 years is a long time, and and although in my opinion we still see remnants of the old Wright in his obstinacy, the deeply cerebral, calculative and mysterious wright as a mentor figure has a certain allure to me as a sort of disillusioned figure whose disenchantment with the law sort of mirrors my own view of western capitalist legal systems. The original trilogy’s narrative very much paints the law as, although subverted and contorted by the corruption of individuals, very much so infallible and rigid in the way that it ultimately routs criminals - take Redd White, Damon Gant, Manfred von Karma - people not opposed to breaking the law to achieve their own goals and interests, and then Wright, a manus of justice who, despite all odds, without fail comes crashing down to force-feed them justice the “Wright” way - and then his disbarment as an affront to that very conception that has been built up over time really drives home the cynicism that Phoenix develops over his 7 years drifting, or rather planning his return. He very much metamorphoses from Daredevil into the Punisher - whether or not he is a morally sound or ethically rigorous lawyer is ultimately up to the beholder, but in my eyes the fact that the “law” allows for such subversions and the ethical and moral formalism of law as a profession both as presented in game and as it exists in reality both outline that the professional rules of conduct are social constructs that are very much fluid and fallible. Wright’s newfound cynicism and development in my opinion serves his character well and serves as a brilliant foil to the greenhorn idealistic lawyer that is Apollo, although in my opinion I do agree with your disappointment that his reverting to his trilogy self is a bit ham-fisted in Dual Destinies and that I would have liked to see the DD Phoenix retain a little bit more of the brooding cynicism and calculative thinking we see in AJ:AA Phoenix for a while longer.

i like it

Phoenix Wright Ace attorney 4: Shadow Chords of Justice!

I think the biggest problem is that this character is Phoenix if was a original character, i really don't think I would have a problem with liking him, but for what is. Its just disappointing to see the character that we watched his growth and effort to become a lawyer, only for in the end him losing everything and making all the pogress that his character had pointless.

Gambling was said to be illegal at that point, so it's likely he didn't make much money from Poker. Most likely a flat fee to play for fun, with the other people being given an experience (and glad they didn't lose all their real money). Also, on the use of forged evidence, I didn't like it at first but afterwards I came to accept it as "I will become who people already think I am" which is actually what happens sometimes when people are falsely accused. Overall it was good, but many people weren't ready for it. Maybe if it was done a bit differently, people would be more understanding.

The hobo look is probably a bit jarring, considering his last appearance to the players in TvT is clean and at the top of his game. It does make the player wonder more strongly how Phoenix could have changed so much in that time, but the appearance makes him look like he's lost all faith in the justice system when he still believes in seeking the truth. It may have been more compelling to have Phoenix in the role of Kristoph Gavin instead. Don't make him a murderer, but have him prod at Apollo's idealism. Have Apollo remind him of the innocence he had lost. Having Phoenix's previous idealism be worn down after having to defend more clients like Engarde and continuously witnessing what lengths people would go to subvert the truth. That, in an adversarial justice system, winning takes priority over finding the truth, but as shown in Turnabout for Tomorrow, defense and prosecution working in harmony will prevail. It's cliche, but it works. Phoenix could work

I love hobo Nick. I find him funny. And dude even remembers Payne

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Honestly hobo Phoenix is still my favorite design for him(and personally I'd love a alternate hobo Phoenix story 😂 as I feel with consistent writing, he's a cool foil. It just sucks and jarring they regressed him back to "classic but older Phoenix 😂")

4:39 nah he planned this too

Phoenix Wright Ace Attorney Thank you Polly

Tale as old as time, song as old as rhyme. Capcom snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Always having to meddle in their devs affairs and twist their arm for things. Such as putting Phoenix in when Shu Takumi didn't want to put him in there

05:56 edgeworth doesnt make any sort of appearance in apollo justice (trust me i would've loved it if he did v_v)

i understand the disdain of having phoenix be stripped of his badge so soon after t&t, but i think at it’s core, Apollo Justice is a story of smeared fates and bad things happening to good people - and there’s no better way to show that then have the series hero most disgraced of all

he is morbin

PWAA4: New Justice

Coming from someone who likes hobo pheonix; I think the issue is that AJ was never meant to be a "where are they now" type story, and that shows in pheonix. We never learn if he had a falling out with his friends, let alone how his friends even ended up. I know the series has a strict stance on spoilers, but even then this is such a stretch. This also makes it so that pheonix is going to be the spotlight, regardless of if he stole apollos thunder. Who would you care about more, some random newbie who might have powers or someone with 3 stories worth of experience and an intriguing fall from grace? The story was doomed to be neutered once they put pheonix in.

I would be fine with his character during AA4 and after if Dual destinies and spirit of justice didnt revert him back to his goofy self. There's a bit of maturity but not enough imo considering the 7 years and all that happened.

Is it wrong that I call it him Disbarred Phoenix. If so, sue me. (Hot Take) Disbarred Phoenix is a better title and name.

Couldn't agree more. I've said for a while now that Hobo Nick is the main reason AJ:AA doesn't work for me, but if they had even one episode that took place between his diabarment and Turnabout Trump to show us how the man who was Truth incarnate fell so far, I think it could've worked.

5:35 ace attorney 4 stolen spotlight

Ngl, Phoenix is a jerk in this game and idk why but I really liked that. Morally gray characters are always more interesting and tbh just seeing Phoenix just do whatever he pleases, pretty much trolling on purpose poor Apollo and the contrast the two have is so funny. Although I agree with the criticism and the reasons why some people dislike him that way, I always had a soft spot for him

Gyakuten Saiban 4.

I don't think calling it Phoenix wright 4 is really a fair point to make because it's still apollos story sure Phoenix does alot of work in the back ground and controls what goes on kinda but I feel like saying that means apollo could be any other defense attorney witch isn't true at all. And also ya how the story continues after this with the 3ds games does kinda make what goes on in this game a bit pointless

Phoenix Wright 4: Apollo wants his game back

Phoenix Wright 4: Disgraced Attorney

i liked apolle justice game to be honest with you

Most of your arguments about complexity and crudeness can be contested with "it's just a kids game" which i hate

How can this be an Hobo Phoenix video There's no gay sex

No.

More like average Phoenix ngl

Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney, DISBARRED ez