Hockey Career Paths Pee Wee to Pro: AHL, CHL, ECHL, USHL, CJHL, NAHL, NCAA, USport, etc.

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Hockey Career Paths Pee Wee to Pro: AHL, CHL, ECHL, USHL, CJHL, NAHL, NCAA, USport, etc.

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Hockey Careers. Hockey Leagues. Hockey Teams. What Hockey Career Paths exist after Pee-Wee and Minor Hockey?
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@noahstone264 6 жыл бұрын

Id like to share with you all my path. I played division 1 NCAA at Michigan State University. I graduated in 99, so my path was in the 90s. I am from New York. Not a hot bed for hockey at that time. I played youth hockey locally. I played local high school and JR.A in the EJHL (Eastern junior hockey league) which was the ONLY junior A League in the north east at the time. Equivalent to what the NAHL is now. I could have played in the USHL, but i did not have the family or financial support. In those days, scouts were not travelling south of connecticut to watch players. If you wanted to play college hockey, you had to either play in the USHL, minnesota high school, or New England Prep school like cushing, exeter, Avon (brian leetch.. who was from texas). So i had to really put myself out there. Cold calling coaches and scouts.. playing in as many tournaments as possible. My lucky break came when my NY HIgh school team (st.Marys) played at the hockey night in boston tournament. I got noticed, played in the empire state games (NYC was the worst team but i wad tourney MVP). I played 1 year for the springfield pics (mass.) An "independent" junior team. Spent the majority of my senior year playing tournaments, busted my ass 24/7. I played half a season my freshman year of college at Quinnipiac (which was still D3 at the time), and the coach from MSU said hey, wanna play here? I transfered and the rest is history. I remember being the kid for NYC nobody ever heard of. 4 best years of my life. I COULD have played pro. I wasnt drafted cuz my size, but i wanted to join the army anyway. I was a career officer (2nd bat, 75th ranger regiment). I recently retired. OH MY GOD how times have changed with USA hockey. Especially here in NYC. SO many opportunity for the kids now. The moral of my story boys, if me, an unknown kids from NYC can skate and run and shoot and lift and dangle skate and skate and skate (til i puke) my way onto an elite division college roster, ANYONE can! Dont worry so much about going here and going there and "oh i gotta play for this team or i have to be in that league". Itll come. The key to success.. if you really want the dream to come true.. BE-THE-BEST. Whatever you love and youre good at, always remember Youre never good ENOUGH. you HAVE to get better. Somebody out there wants it more than you. Bust your ass to be better than him. Never stop dreaming. Never quit working. Never settle for less than perfection. The more you sweat and puke and cry and bleed in practice, the less youll have to in a game. And one last thing.. if youve gotten this far, this advice is golden. ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS practice and play as if there is a scout in the stands watching you. Because.... there usually is. You can have 99 perfect shifts. You get in a fight with your mom, or your girl, you failed a test... leave that crap in the locker room. Get on the ice and turn that anger into a killer shift. Cuz that scout has your number. Good luck boys

@moosetracks656 5 жыл бұрын

this was so fucking inspirational. i am trying to bust my ass but my foot has sever pain rn but when i get it fixed i gotchu.

@joeyb3880 5 жыл бұрын

Noah Stone Thats awesome! Go Blue though

@w111w126 5 жыл бұрын

That was probably the best hockey-themed story I have read on YT. Thanks. I am maybe a year older than you (by your grad date). First part of my childhood was in a high western area that had ice, even outdoors in the winter. I couldn't get enough of it, and was even out there before school, I loved it. When I was 11, my dad's job transferred to a west coast area that didn't have ice for hours around it (and still doesn't). That was it for me, even if I had been old enough to go to some ridiculous hockey prep school, my parents weren't in a position to spend that kind of money, and as they were the opposite of insane asshole sports parents, wouldn't have anyway. I got into other activities, was maybe subconsciously resentful, but moved on. Then I got into a west coast university with an ACHA team, and was able to embrace my love again. Even at that not exactly D1 level, I was over the moon, it was the highlight of my days back then and gave me memories I will never forget. Not long before grad, I was in an accident, I couldn't walk for some time, so I was off the ice again. I finished school, got into the typical corporate job which can be both rewarding and exhausting, and although I still followed hockey, I didn't hold it so close. Not long ago, I became resentful over this, how I wasted time and wasn't able to keep my old dream, and started back again, just as an adult almost learning it all again as a rec/beer leaguer. And I love it again just as much as when I was young. I find peace in it. To all the young guys out there who are in it for the love the game but might feel daunted by the work - keep trying, keep working, go for it. This is your chance, this is your time. You'll have painful regrets if you don't go for it now. From those of us who weren't able to take such a shot, embrace the game and work for it. It won't be easy, but it is worth it. Time starts moving fast, and second chances are more myth than reality. You will thank yourself later even if you don't go to the show. Do it for yourself, do it for us who would have loved to have your opportunities. It is much more competitive out there than it was 20-25 years ago, but there's better training and development now, too. It's the best game in the world, and you'll have the best time of your life playing it.

@greenspartan1213 5 жыл бұрын

Go Green!

@peterf4620 5 жыл бұрын

sammyd19801 That’s is so cool! Very informative.

@doughenke8532 5 жыл бұрын

Been there, done that. As a parent I can tell you it takes $$$, and lots of it.

@griffisjm 6 ай бұрын

You can say that again! I got 3 boys going. Sometimes I feel like my heads gonna pop off and spin around!

@MrLucasD123 6 жыл бұрын

The AHL is the minor league affiliate of the NHL. They are essentially part of the NHL

@rip_city_and_ptfc_fan 5 жыл бұрын

Yea and the echl

@codeman99-dev 4 жыл бұрын

The ECHL is effectively part of the AHL. However, most ECHL teams do not have drafted or signed players on the roster. Moving from the ECHL to the NHL is exceptionally rare.

@purifiedxburn4351 4 жыл бұрын

99codemister not as a goalie it isn’t. being a goalie in the echl is a good thing (if you’re a starter) and can’t make nhl yet

@giomadetheedit 4 жыл бұрын

99codemister echl is the minor to Ahl and the Ahl is the minor to nhl

@kalonjirivers8902 3 жыл бұрын

One question that I would like to know is what's up with all those Canadian junior B and C leagues that use the same logos as the NHL, or even the AHL for that matter?

@brenislanders 5 жыл бұрын

I actually play for the London Knights In NHL 19...

@Entertaining_Edits1 3 ай бұрын

#relateable

@Pathoking 6 жыл бұрын

I played in the OHA Jr C for the Amherstview jets for a 6 month stent 06-07 season, then in 2007-08 the AJHL for the sprouce groove royals/regals Jr A and Jr B and finally played in the WSHL for the Long Beach Bombers. In 09 I hung up the skates, but landed a job as a stick locker room attendant for the LA Kings and went on to be apart of two Stanley Cup championships and earned two of my own rings. All is well that ends well. I miss hockey a lot but I have never stopped being a hockey player, the life sessions, and dedication and desire to finish what you start are with me forever. Thanks for the video!

@LZR9 6 жыл бұрын

Nicholas Coen that’s awesome

@mccouscous1761 5 жыл бұрын

I like how he included the SPHL, the league that has the team to me. I play for the U-18 Jr Ice Bears.

@help3r112 6 жыл бұрын

I play in Bloomington Illinois bantam AA and it was cool to see the flying aces on there knowing I practice on their ice all the time

@johncunningham6485 6 жыл бұрын

ye, how you like those drives to the North shore?

@goaliemojo4310 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for making these...finally me and family can figure out where to go from here! I'd love to see one on what opportunities exist in European hockey for a developing youth goalie.... We keep pulling them here on billet, why not go the other way...? Finland and Sweden make some awesome goalies.

@RuStOlIuM420 7 ай бұрын

Where did you guys go from here?

@damienlewis7882 5 жыл бұрын

I wish this information was available when I was coming up in the late 90's. I went and played high school varsity as a freshman in Michigan when I should have played juniors at 16. It was a dead end as we were not a winning team with any visibility.

@Sammydx1 4 ай бұрын

Same bro. Chicago. I was 1980. Late 90s it's was dead end after senior year. I tried to play college level at UIC..

@KennethMindar 6 жыл бұрын

I play for the Lehigh Valley Phantoms youth and a lot of the times we either practice with riley cote or some AHL players

@drw4ever57 5 жыл бұрын

Saginaw Spirit, ah my home town, but now i live in everblades country so i guess i should go to a game

@pendy_2969 6 жыл бұрын

All my friends are going to the ushl or prep and I’m stuck still playing aaa.😂

@isaaclarson 5 жыл бұрын

Fort Wayne Komets, since 1952. Doc Emrick grew up listening to the Komets play on WOWO radio, announced by Bob Chase. Also, pronounced "Sue" Saint Marie lol.

@sportscity823 5 жыл бұрын

Fort Wayne Komets Hell yeah My city my team

@stevesavage4296 6 жыл бұрын

Great video....as a beer leaguer I'd say that's the route for an enforcer

@xnathanhx412 3 жыл бұрын

Where does the naphl rank on these or even the usphl

@johnnywishbone932 Жыл бұрын

The MHL made me a hockey fan again. CJHL Junior A. It’s fast fun hockey! A lot of the young men play college (U Sport or NCAA) or pro in Europe.

@legorocks99 6 жыл бұрын

What an amazing video, such good work put into this one. Awesome job man!

@hallmoniterhellen1766 5 жыл бұрын

I play in the na3hl for the Danbury Colonials! This is our inaugural season so wish us luck!!

@m1nty_395 4 жыл бұрын

how did it go?

@treysalonen9201 6 жыл бұрын

For the Muskegon Lumberjacks, it’s pronounced ‘Musk-eegan’

@CulturamaJoe 6 жыл бұрын

Trey Salonen thanks! I don’t mispronounce often - but I know of four times I did in this video. Haha. Oops.

@CulturamaJoe 6 жыл бұрын

Ternedo3 yeah. With such a long video, all those words start to get away from me a bit. Haha.

@perfectmedusa0244 5 жыл бұрын

As a resident of Muskegon I physically cringed

@benedicitesol4429 4 жыл бұрын

No it's məsˈkēɡən

@adambrutto5417 6 жыл бұрын

Yeah good vid but learn the city names I’ll bet a bunch of us canucks aren’t too pleased

@1982kinger 5 жыл бұрын

Like the Gelf Storm and salt sainte marie

@w111w126 5 жыл бұрын

The Ke-LOWN-a one amused me most. I don't know if this guy is originally from Seattle, people there know how to say it :)

@CaptainCanada92 6 жыл бұрын

Where did the list of U Sports teams go. U of A Golden bears. Greatest collegiate team there is!

@NovaScotiaNewfie 6 жыл бұрын

Captain Canada yup they constantly are in the championship game for USports. I was surprised my alma mater StFX was in the final this year.

@bendelahay4863 4 жыл бұрын

in the nahl map it is missing the Maryland black bears also loved the video, keep it up!

@thrillho86 5 жыл бұрын

i laughed hard at "keh-lown-yah"

@kathyanderson6913 2 жыл бұрын

OMG!! How I like to see Mike as a Coach. He has good speaking voice. And seeing himself Coach excites me. I haven't seen him at Michigan State. I'm anxious to see him. I am sorry but I am difficulty my phone .

@tomhalverson3438 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video. My son plays for the Fairbanks Hockey Club 6U Ice Puppies.

@Lehmmi 4 жыл бұрын

My big problem is I want to get to at least OHL level but my parents aren’t big on me getting good at hockey so while I want to try out for AA or AAA my parents won’t fund it. Cuz it’s expensive to be on a travel team

@alexstrachan9515 4 жыл бұрын

Lehmmi go to junior combines such as the Nahl combine or the USHL combine,and if u play good enough there u might have a better chance at getting drafted to the USHL (which is free to play) and from there you will get noticed by college scout and could possibly be offered a scholarship and then go play college

@notcorruptions6534 6 жыл бұрын

Well I’m going into first year bantam in Florida and I’m Considered one of the best defensemen for the level but I’m A and AA plus the occasional call up to help out a AAA open team as a decent 4th line the only path I see is playing college

@alexstrachan9515 4 жыл бұрын

Not Corruptions not necessarily,you could play for a lower level junior league maybe get noticed by a d3 college team and the get drafted late rounds for the show get sent down to ahl work your ass off for a few years and get up to chel

@nevisss 2 жыл бұрын

Where u at now?

@liammonaghan4785 Жыл бұрын

where are you now

@Robloxsportschannel1 3 жыл бұрын

This man said “OOO”tica Comets.😂 It’s one of those words that’s actually pronounced how it looks bro. I know it’s a bit odd but you actually pronounce it the way it sounds, with the U. “YOU”tica Comets. I’m picky about grammar, but love the content man. Grew up loving hockey, but never knew how the system worked because it was so complex. Thanks for breaking it down

@MrLucasD123 5 жыл бұрын

You forgot about Northern Michigan in the Division 1 American college hockey

@natedon703 6 жыл бұрын

In other words for the USHL More than half of the teams play in Iowa and Illinois

@alexstrachan9515 4 жыл бұрын

Nate Don yep

@dankdaddy2443 6 жыл бұрын

Great video! one thing though payers are allowed a 36 hour pto before if they choose to stay junior then they are ineligible for ncaa

@ethanrichter3444 6 жыл бұрын

You should do a video on the MN HS Hockey

@edgerunnermobileskatesharps 2 жыл бұрын

PlayStation Platinum Cup. Hosted by the Toronto Maple Leafs & the GTHL. Hosting 24 teams across (3)U11 divisions: U11A,U11AA,and U11AAA. Open to any OHF or USA teams.

@drthalasiren4411 2 жыл бұрын

The pronunciations were great: Pedo-bury Petes, Soodbury Wolves, Gelf Storm, Salt Saint Marie Greyhounds,

@slurpinsoup1219 6 жыл бұрын

Roll Saint Paul academy hockey glad to see we made the video

@matthewnelson5585 5 жыл бұрын

Hello Culturama. Really like your videos, particularly about the Prep Schools and this video. Wanted to ask though about another league the KHL, which some people say is just under the NHL. Will you make a video about the KHL and players coming over from that league to the NHL like you did with this video about these leagues. Thanks again.

@W.Holden.6 6 жыл бұрын

What a video! Wow! It makes so much more sense now!

@EatSleepIceHockey 6 жыл бұрын

EHL? USPHL?

@christophergauvin203 5 жыл бұрын

haha i feel u. im from new england and im an 03. i plan to play ncdc and then college hockey.

@alexstrachan9515 4 жыл бұрын

He talked about the usphl

@seattlesharksfan 6 жыл бұрын

Go T-Birds!

@colinclough5409 5 жыл бұрын

Patrick Kane also played in the NAHL

@TheEminemFan177 5 жыл бұрын

We really dont need you to list off all of the teams one by one, please.

@was2dog 5 жыл бұрын

Studsy_14 yes we do it’s fun to waste 20 mins

@threethrushes 5 жыл бұрын

Filling up time to get past the 10 minute limit for ad revenue.

@carsonking6842 5 жыл бұрын

I’m from Ontario so it enjoyable

@rsandberg7425 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video. Good content. IMO though ditch the listing of the teams and stick to the title "Career Paths". The teams are easy enough to lookup.

@ethangill5232 5 жыл бұрын

Salt saint greyhouds, Gelph storm

@k.s.7104 6 жыл бұрын

The FHL and SPHL are truly more independent unlike the AHL and ECHL whose teams are all minor league affiliates of NHL teams. Both the FHL and SPHL are long shots at developing anyone for the NHL. Many DI NCAA college players who cannot crack NHL lineups will start in the AHL or ECHL. Over 80% of American born players in the NHL played DI college hockey. I would like to see the USHL expand more, especially eastward, and down south.

@ryderhunt9701 4 жыл бұрын

You forgot about the LNAH, it is the same level as the SPHL and the FHL

@rippinandtrippin6351 6 жыл бұрын

I used to live in a town and there team was Iroquois Falls Eskimos and they were in the northern ontario league

@dulla8469 2 жыл бұрын

im 21 and i just wish i could play timbits, thats the level im at, and that the kind of hockey id want to join

@lambo384756 5 жыл бұрын

So basically this guy just mentioned the top non professional teams....Sick vid

@aimalevolo3062 5 жыл бұрын

it is 2019 and the most direct way to get to the NHL is NCAA but nice video gave me a good idea of the levels

@hihfty 4 жыл бұрын

Its getting into the NCAA thats the hard part. You have to play in one of those hundred of leagues to even get noticed.

@debmock07 6 жыл бұрын

My team is Minot minotauros

@ethanmceneany9948 5 жыл бұрын

Are you with sno king? Like in renton

@sampovillanen_2003 4 жыл бұрын

There is also the European hockey route. Very good professional hockey.

@rileyvanderesch 6 жыл бұрын

Great video! Thank you

@zackthomasson236 5 жыл бұрын

I play bantam b and is it simply too late to get into a league like the ushl or is there even still a chance that I can go farther in my hockey career? What I got from this video is that if you aren't the best of the best you won't go anywhere. Is that true or is that just the way that it seems?

@NovaScotiaNewfie 6 жыл бұрын

The Halifax Mooseheads, Cape Breton Screaming Eagles, Moncton Wildcats, Charlottetown Islanders and the Saint John Sea Dogs are in the Q but they have English names.

@marcpell133 3 жыл бұрын

All these teams are in the Q but in cities from the Maritime provinces. That’s why their names are english.

@Nate-zq6un 4 жыл бұрын

Will you still get a good chance to get on the radar if you start playing AAA at the midget level 16u?

@alexstrachan9515 4 жыл бұрын

No,that typical when kids starting playing juniors in the USHL or NAHL so it’s gonna be hard for u,not impossible tho if u put in the work

@tylerhansen2572 2 жыл бұрын

Just curious how does D 1 NCAA compare go the ECHL or other lower farm leagues?

@soccerman127 4 жыл бұрын

Long story short, the most IDEAL pathway for an "elite" North American player is: 1. Play AAA (Canada) or Tier 1 (USA) from age 8 or 9-15 2. Play CHL (Canada) or USHL (USA) from age 16-17 3. Play NHL at age 18

@paulcjcampbell3070 4 жыл бұрын

I think the most overlooked league is the AUS !

@sambo7499 6 жыл бұрын

great job! Greetings from Germany (from a Russian;)!

@carsonking6842 5 жыл бұрын

Haha funny hearing him say the ohl names

@troysmith3073 6 жыл бұрын

CHL is the best league for development from age 16-20

@darrellgraves5942 6 жыл бұрын

Great Video.... Tks

@sportscity823 5 жыл бұрын

Fort Wayne Komets ECHL fan right here

@mrdisposal5849 5 жыл бұрын

I like how he says kelowna. Not supposed to make an ow sound saying it lol

@lincolnretzlaff6644 6 жыл бұрын

College hockey in my oppinion it best option but it’s hard to get into

@landendelormier7954 6 жыл бұрын

Lincoln Retzlaff playing in chl is best option if you don't care about a degree

@w111w126 5 жыл бұрын

@@landendelormier7954 Just play in the show and buy a degree later if you want/need it.

@letrippyhippie3903 5 жыл бұрын

If you want a degree and dont wanna keep playing after college then yea college hockey is a good path but if you want a chance to make the pro league then chl ushl or European league is another path to go down

@was2dog 5 жыл бұрын

I play A as a bantam minor do you think there is still a chance for me to play pro or semi pro?

@RuStOlIuM420 7 ай бұрын

That explains why crosby went to Minnesota for high school

@troysmith3073 6 жыл бұрын

Guelph not gelph

@johndrury9086 6 жыл бұрын

great video.

@missiledefender8687 6 жыл бұрын

great video

@CulturamaJoe 6 жыл бұрын

Missile Defender thanks! Lots to get through!

@Dmarsh88 3 жыл бұрын

I’ve wanted to make a lot of teams but I just can’t make it. They cut me every time so what’s the point of playing. My dreams of the nhl are officially over

@hbradley7857 3 жыл бұрын

Keep fucking going and never give up all it takes is one year of hard work to get you developed and noticed I played bb hockey for years but last year I moved to Canada and tried out for their 16u aaa team and I made it because of the work I put in

@OGParudize 6 жыл бұрын

Great video

@CulturamaJoe 6 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@darcyhowat5961 6 жыл бұрын

I just want to play goalie and win my game ;-) It's that simply

@erikgould1786 6 жыл бұрын

muhs-kee-guh n Lumberjacks

@NovaScotiaNewfie 6 жыл бұрын

Actually only one ECHL team in Canada. Brampton but it appears that St. John's Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada is getting an ECHL team, affiliate for the Maple Leafs.

@southtext3400 5 жыл бұрын

I remember Victoria BC used to have one but now they have a WHL team

@vaderskater1313 3 жыл бұрын

I have a game against Honeybake today

@CarlJohnson-hc2vo 5 жыл бұрын

Well i don’t play in any of theese leagues but i play im the SHL, Europes probably best hockeyleague. I’m 18 and i play for Brynäs IF, i am being scouted at the moment by first of all the Chicago Blackhawks since i played with Adam Boqvist for a while and we had a really good chemistry and assisted each other and got a pretty good ammount of points together, obviously Adam got more since he got drafted hahah. I can’t tell you who i am since privacy and so on with Brynäs and Chicago, I’m trying to get more playing time so i can get myself noticed by the NHL.

@robinfransson6689 5 жыл бұрын

Om du har spelat/spelar denna säsongen för Brynäs A-lag, är 18 och spelat med Boqvist då antar jag att du är back, då gissar jag på William Alftberg? Lycka till med din hockey karriär iallafall.

@christophercozad4374 2 жыл бұрын

Every football fans brain melted and poured out of the ear. Hahahaha

@floxy20 4 жыл бұрын

"Hockey options for women..." Playing games in front of 30 people for bus fare. I can't wait for the video.

@sjcrowley19 2 жыл бұрын

I thought the Eagles were in ahl

@mannysigal4375 5 жыл бұрын

You did mention that collegiate hockey goes after more older athletes

@idpwatch7073 4 жыл бұрын

im a second year peewee and i want to make the nhl and college hockey and stuff like that, so im not sure what i should do for highschool hockey to get scouted for college hockey so i dont know if i should play for a highschool team, aa team, or aaa team or if im able to do jr hockey but i dont really understand that. I would like if you could help me with that

@Gavin29 6 жыл бұрын

RMJHL ceases operationd this year and now I don’t have a team to play for sadly

@prodet313 6 жыл бұрын

I play for the Elite AAA Jr. coyotes 13u

@1982kinger 5 жыл бұрын

Salt sainte Marie lol... its soooo ste. Marie

@johnbooth6916 Жыл бұрын

Dude you forgot the beer league tiers

@Guavin_ 4 жыл бұрын

It blows my mind how many leagues there are

@briobrio6047 6 жыл бұрын

Laval rockets 🔥

@dakotaslim 4 жыл бұрын

Apologies, but this is the second vid from you guys where Muskegon was mispronounced. Respectfully, mus-KEY-gun.

@sliderx1897 3 жыл бұрын

Fun fact. The Calgary Hitmen were owned by WWE Legend Bret "The Hitman" Hart

@driscoll79 6 жыл бұрын

Did I miss the Providence Bruins in the AHL somehow?

@siliconechef4970 5 жыл бұрын

Hi there I have a few questions. i was wondering if you knew how a person would and would not be eligible to play for an Olympic hockey team. For example. someone who plays semi pro ECHL vs someone who has no team at the moment. I did look up team Canada. Largest PDF file EVERRRRR LOL Thank you for your time >;-)

@keldonboone2992 6 жыл бұрын

I play for Grand valley stars bantam AA😂

@lukevelez9578 4 жыл бұрын

My hockey coach played for grand valley and went to play D1 you got this

@1bigbasket28 4 жыл бұрын

What sucks is all illinois AAA teams are in the city

@RaineTheWolf96 6 жыл бұрын

I would prob go to echl cause my home team is in that league

@Kalleebb 5 жыл бұрын

Ok, I started playing organized house leauge hockey at 12, I'm decent. Is there anyway I can get better, to get to these elite levels, or is my dream too late?

@grantrevor3317 5 жыл бұрын

Sunic ur dream is never too late. I played house league my whole life but worked harder than anyone and I’m now playing Team Maryland Tier 1 (AAA). If you have the talent they’ll come find you that’s what I live by.

@nerdhockey2994 2 жыл бұрын

Pretty much impossible. Judging by your comment, your about fourteen, so if you’re still playing house, yeah I’d say it’s over, since travel is such a huge step from house. If you made a travel team, then you still have a shot.