I really messed up not dedicating at least 10 minutes of this video to Papa Fernando :(

@@HokiHoshi weird that you published a video of you saying "Papa Fernando" followed by 20 minutes of black screen, but im not complaining

@@HokiHoshi You also messed up the title, add Forza!

Lol woops, yes I did! Fixed 👍

Agreed, FH5 with a more densely populated & alive map would be massive

@@HokiHoshi increasing the traffic XSX/S and PC as well as adding civilians to the city sidewalks I think would make the game feel way more alive and make the roads feel tighter to race around in.

Would be even better if they added the DLC's seamlesly to the existing map. But no, a console can't handle that so the PC community has to suffer. It is one feature a big part of us want. But it won't happen. Every single Horizon do NOT need a city to be enjoyable. When i want that i'll just switch to FH4 and drive around Edinburgh.

@@DanielFrost79 actually the consoles shouldn't have any issues at all with adding a city to the map, but I think a dlc area of FH3's city would be the best fit though we can just fast travel there like the rally island and hot wheels.

@@Dragonlord826 What i meant was that the DLC's added to the map so we could drive to and from those DLC areas. We wouldn't neet a loading screen between. That is what console's can't handle. Something with size and how it's cached i believe.

Devs are not fools, they need to bring us truly next gen Horizon 6

Standard cycle of everything. The last one was always better, even if it wasn’t.

no 5 is garbage and always will be

@@relax4531 why

@@AlexUnder355 idk 5 i think is the worse for me

It's also worth pointing out the NATURE of the places FH5 shines, and that they aren't particularly _soulful._ That sounds harsh, but think about it: customization options, sound and graphics improvements, car list increases, and post-launch support should in no way be underestimated as positives to the experience of a game, but they can also be boiled down to boxes to tick. They are important, but obvious. Dare I say....easy? And in a world where technology is constantly advancing, it is almost inevitable that a racing game will come along with more cars, better graphics, and possibly better handling. It could be Horizon 6. That won't make 5 _bad,_ but perhaps less memorable. 5 is damn good, but it's not quite _special._ Forza Horizon 1's brilliance is in the immaterial - the kinds of things you can't just quantify. It goes beyond data and succeeds in ways that are only possible with a clear artistic vision. The festival _feels_ like a festival, the premise is evocative, and while the story may be cheesy, the game clearly has a colossal heart. Horizon 1 is a love letter to car culture whose world sucks you in because, at its core, it's just a really good story. Horizon has many good games, and 5 is one of them. Based solely on options, fidelity, the ability to make your car feel like YOURS, FH5 is one of the best racing games ever made. But where 5 aces tests, 1 wins _hearts,_ because in a series full of good games, it's the one good story.

@@mitchell-wallisforce7859it’s just like FH4, except in Mexico.

@@cwj2733yeah FH5 is just like FH4 except 5 is soulless corporate garbage.

I think the main issue for a lot of the players that dislike 5 is the apparent lack of content from previous iterations that should have been in the game on release. You shouldn't build a franchise (Forza Horizon in this case) and remove mechanics/content from previous games with each new release. 5 should be the culmination of everything from the previous 4 games with development post release being improvements/minor bug fixes and the focus being new additions. Forza 6 should be all of that plus 5's additions in a new updated and improved game. This is far from what Forza fans received, and is an issue not exclusive to Forza or the racing genre.

The roads in FH5 are also very wide and not really that entertaining, the Needle climb is imo much better anyway than the volcano. And complaining? As people should, we shouldn't just accept laziness. The map in FH5 is such a downgrade, so is any kind of progression, it just shoves cars at your face every second. The game was so buggy for half a year with zero effort to fix it. I could go on and on. The scope problem of a video that's trying to justify a game as being the best is that it obviously ignores the flaws.

Only problem I have is the map is literal dogshit. At least it ain’t FH3/4 bad. Those maps were horrendously bad lmao. I curious if we’re getting a “new” expansion, because I guarantee you FH6 isn’t coming 2025 because of GTA 6. No one will be playing FH6. It’ll be suicide for a company to release a game around the same time or shortly after GTA 6. Technically we did a get a 3rd expansion with the EL island several updates ago…but I’m talking a paid one…hmm. A city expansion would be cool honestly.

@@jondasekAt least FH5 ran lmao. FM Reboot still runs like dogshit on my $3,200 computer 🤣 *OVER 6 MONTHS LATER FUCK T10!*

every horizon should add onto what the last one iterated on. 5 should’ve been a culmination but it was literally 4 with a different skin on

Yep 100%, I've been begging for DLC maps that connect to the main map for ages, if the Rally DLC was just connected by a highway or something at the top of the main map, I'd be there way more often!

As awesome as it would be, my personal thought is it might be a hardware requirement. Adding so much more to a map that already stresses out the outdated generation consoles, it may just currently not be feasible to add dlcs to the main map, also, the rally expansion in my experience is horribly optimized, it might just be me though

@@murderergod6645 I mean it's probably not rendered or if it's even rendered it would be very low detail when you are far away wouldn't hurt that much tbh even zelda totk on switch can handle rendering low res version of the surface map while having underground sky and temple maps and a switch is much weaker than a xbone or ps4. Fh5 does it itself having a low res version of the main map under hot wheels map. If you say the examples I gave aren't racing games NFS MW2012 had dlc map extension to the normal map and that was runing on xbox 360 and ps3 so they have no excuse.

I have set my home at the rally adventure map. Its so much better to drive than the main map, where 250mph feels slow and boring. The rally adventure map has hands down the best roads in a horizon game, maybe Fh1's canyon roads come close.

A minute of loading screen *prevents* you from playing it? Horizon fan base in a nutshell.

Instead of being a game with a lot of content, FH5 is just a lot of content without an actual game. And because some of the content is very good, and can be used to have lots of fun, people confuse using the content to make their own fun, with playing a good game

Best upgrades for performance, definitely not cosmetic wise.

It's not even the best in the Horizon franchise, how can it be the best in an entire category of racing games?

Don't care about feelings. Been playing racing games since 1997. And FH5 is the best so far.

​@@bojansosa9779Same here. And i agree. Although i've been playing games since the late 80's.

Wish it had a better city because the city in h5 feel more like a big town than a city maybe I'm spoiled by seeing a city with skyscrapers and having that missing make the city in h5 feel less like a city

Seriously. People act like EventLab is the greatest thing ever. It’s a fun GIMMICK, and nothing more. Even the best EventLab maps still look like low poly sh•t. It’s honestly disgusting how far gaming has come and yet these people still justify FH5 with some “bUt EVeNtLaB” BS. Lmfao… “tHeY aDdEd PaRkInG gArAgEs tO EVeNtLaB!¡1” Yeah they coulda removed ExcuseLab all together and just built a map that had life and soul, cities, parking garages, etc… and then I wouldn’t have to go spawn into a mini map with low poly obviously fake roads and fake grass and fake dirt just to drive into a specific type of structure.

@@_t_f_ Absolutely spot on. I would've never thought someone would agree on this

map is shit

You played FH3? or FH2? was the best

Yea I love it. 4 was my first and they both have been great.

@@gr4mas144 I played FH3 but at the end of the game on PC so there weren't any people there. I'm the solo guy not too much multiplayer. Never played FH2 since i'm on PC.

@@emarbeats6896 FH4 was my second but first where i grinded with the community. Came back to it a few months ago but i'm more acustomed to the FH5 physics and tunes.

I think more players need to get into tuning because you can never stop improving your cars which is the reason I've never gotten bored of FH5

Tbh, I don't think I'm loosing anything by not playing the previous Forza games, and 5 may not be perfect, but I think it's a good choice for a first Forza

And we all love that you share your work with us! 😄

Totally valid & I agree! Surfer's Paradise is easily my favorite Horizon city too

I don't know but could it be that a decently sized city etc somewhere on the map would demand much more of the hardware the game runs on making everything else a lot slower?

@@yaldenskigaming5371 That is Exactly what would happen, at least on One and One S. Surfers Paradise in FH3 absolutely Nosedives in terms of Frame Rate in Surfers on One and One S (Systems which FH5 still has to support) its down to below 10FPS in that Part of the Map! Below 10! I thought I had seen the last of Frame Lag like that when the N64 went out of Production... seems I was wrong. Given that, according to the Official Forums, FH5 is apparently also struggling to hold a Stable 30FPS on the One and One S systems even as it is (note, I am running a Series X Personally), a Big Modern City would not be a good Idea. Even One X struggles to hold a Locked 30 in Surfers and Judders here and there, a Locked 30 Really does need one of the "Series" Systems, 60+ being Exclusive to the PC Version. It is because of the Skyscrapers and their Vertices, the Data Code Skeletal Mesh that holds the Textures in Place and stops them Warping and Swimming like an Old 3DFX Voodoo or PS1 Era Game, the Skyscrapers need a lot of Vertices to stop the Textures from Swimming and these are Calculated on the CPU, which of course, is very Slow indeed on the "One" Series Consoles, even One X, the fastest, is only Running 2.4GHZ per Core, and can only use Three of its Cores for Gaming. Compare that to 3.8 GHZ per Core on all Eight Cores with Series X (thats faster than some "Mid-Range" PC's!).... so the Vertices Hammer the CPU, Causing a Load Spike which Lags the Game and Sinks the Frame Rate! The Old One/S that the Game still has to support just have not got the Processor Power needed to do a Modern City without Slamming the Frame Rate, at least in the City Area. Better to wait for FH6 for a City IMO as that will not need to support the One/S/X and will be Purely for Series S/X and PC, meaning it will be able to Handle a Pretty Sizable Modern City and still hold, dependent on Mode Selected (Say 30FPS 1440P with Ray Tracing or 60FPS 1080P No Ray Tracing on Series S, and 30FPS 4K with Ray Tracing or 60FPS 4K with No Ray Tracing on Series X, with 4K, 60 *and* Ray Tracing being Possible on PC so long as the Players Hardware is up to the Task!) a Locked 30/60 FPS.

@@yaldenskigaming5371 they managed to do it with FH3 and to an extent FH4's Edinburgh. They could probably do it again and strike a balance between performance and visual fidelity. Anyway, hopefully the next game would have a good urban area for variety's sake. like 50/50 or 60/40 rural to urban city ratio

99% of what I see wrong in this game comes down to 2 things: 1) the map: bad map design and bad props, repetitive scenery and trees and no real seasons, no hotspot to meet 2) the new multiplayer system where people just appear and disappear out of nowhere

oh and maybe the engine swaps 2JZ swap was rare asf in fh4 for example, now 50% of the cars I see in multiplayer are 2JZ or V12 swapped shitboxes with antilag

I feel like it gets the more important things wrong, especially the atmosphere of the game

​@@moneywisdomlifei just feel like Horizon XS is weard because it doesnt feel lore accurate (I mean with that the loading screen descriptions of fh2 that it was said that only the rudest will be nominated for the speaker of XS, fh5 doesnt give that feeling, fh4 instead still does), its not like i dont like it like that but it feels just weard

@@moneywisdomlife it really is a love hate relationship, its kind of like how a lot of your most disliked games are the ones with the most time spent on it; all that time playing the game made you uncover all of its flaws despite you still liking the game. this is at least how i view it, as i have 350+ hours on the game and despite all that i still say it really isnt that good of a game. The atmosphere, the characters, the terrible foilage LODs and horrifically stumped progression turned what was an arcade street racer with sim like physics to a sandbox game with sim like physics. My main issue with the game is that its becoming more like assetto corsa and beamng, leaving the content for players to create while they make the base gameplay enjoyable enough without adding much features. Progression specifically really ruined my enjoyment of the game. Every new car is just another one thrown in the landfill of a car collection and every month forcing players to log on to get cars that they may never unlock again encouraging FOMO. Yet I still play the game every now and then, so whose to say its really that bad of a game? Still hoping FH6 addresses much of the concerns I have of course.

LOL

Yep, the leaderboards being full of hacked times makes them way less useful and takes away so much motivation to fight for better scores/times. One of the biggest bummers in the game for sure. They did spend quite a few months trying to clean them up, but it just never really panned out.

yeah because the map feels like a empty desert

Yes it is XD

I said this before 5 even launched and you know it's gonna happen lol

Someone should make a video now about how this comment is the greatest CAP 🧢.

I'm hoping FH6 takes place in Japan. Wouldn't that make a lot of sense? Japan has cool cities, fun music, a vibrant car culture, mountain switchbacks, and beautiful countryside. Can't wait to see where they go next

@@isipscognac This or the Nordics would be great with all the mountains, cliffs, volcanoes, northern lights etc

That time needs to come back, again, I am of the view that the Government now needs to step in as Gaming has gotten too Greedy, its time to clamp down and make them sell Games that are Feature and Content Complete on Day One, by LAW. I am just that fed up of the greed now.

@@simeonyves5940 Not in this world. Especially not in the US which is run by the corporations

@@Sira_Kackavalj True. It could Happen in the UK however (where Horizon is Developed) which is extremely likely to have a "Socialist" Government after the Election, and the EU which is also getting increasingly "Socialist" Lately and has Nations, Like Belgium, than have already Defied the US and the Corporates in Outlawing Lootboxes within their Borders. Yes, it will take a Long time for the Law to Change, Especially in the EU where things happen very Slowly Indeed due to all the Different Member States spending most of their time Arguing, a Pan EU Lootbox Ban has been on the Table for 6 Years now and it is still being Argued over! Yet, even if only the UK "Dropped the Hammer" ,and they could do it Quickly, the most likely next Government is known to be very Anti-American (and will not Kotow to Pressure from the US as a Result) and was Heavily in Favor of the Proposed Lootbox and MTX Ban that the Current Government in Charge shot down in 2021 due to pressure from the US to Shoot it down, and when the Law does change in the UK, such as with the Recent and much needed Ban on Sex Education in Primary Schools, a Law that Passed into power in just 3 Days due to Cross House (Quad Party) Support, it changes Very Quickly, it is getting the "White Paper" Ratified that takes the Time as that is a slow Process, once the White Paper is Ratified However, it tends to Pass into Law and starts getting enforced within a few Days!, that would be a massive Blow to the Corporates as the UK, despite its small Size, is still the Third Largest Global Market for Video Games (Beaten only by the US and Japan), meaning they would have to toe the line to keep their Profits up! We will have to wait and see. It is Unlikely However I do agree.

@@simeonyves5940hopefully either the english or the danes do something so that the world will notice.

@@cwj2733 Hopefully, for it needs a major market to say "Enough!" before we there is any chance of the Games industry being brought back under Control.

Barbie Kart is the real reason FH5 is still so popular

There are maybe 3-4 games that do it better, and dozens upon dozens that do it worse...so yeah, undoubtedly one of the better design systems out there.

There's definitely a lot of lower quality stuff to sift through which I think gives it a bit of a bad rep for people who don't look too far into it, but once you know where to look and what creators to follow, there's near endless great content to play. Join the "Forza Creator's Guild" Discord if you're interested in finding some better event labs!

Fh2 map and progression with FH5 graphics, customization, cars and eventlab

Stop the cap... Forza Horizon 5 is amazing sure if u neva, neva experience or play Forza Horizon 4...

Exactly. You dont feel the "Horizon" vibe that FH1/2/3 gave to you. You also have 0 motivation to continue the game, there is no history mode, there is no Darius or a festival to improve (FH3). I hope they hear this, because its not an unknown thing

A big map isn't necessarily good anyway. The freeroam lobbies feel dead on 5 because everyone is so far apart.

We do not speak of the Forza aero for fear of it returning for FH6

@@HokiHoshi LMBO, say less my friend. Dope video as always. Thanks for the great content.

@@HokiHoshi It will, as there are Several Car companies who are *refusing* to allow the Aero to be Remodeled in case the new Model is "Street" in Style, which might damage their PR.