Hole Drilled in Intercooler Fixes EcoBoost Misfire

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DanielJaegerFilms

DanielJaegerFilms

8 жыл бұрын

UPDATE: A year and a half and 45k miles later, this truck has 227k miles and hasn’t had a single problem since.
This is definitely one of the most interesting fixes I've done. The owner of this 2011 Ford F-150 EcoBoost truck with 182,000 miles had a very intermittent misfire problem that only occurred when accelerating onto a highway. The problem ended up being water collecting in the intercooler (charge air cooler) as was being pushed into the intake when under high boost conditions.
After extensive research on the Ford forums, I finally decided to bite the bullet and drill a 3/32" hole in the driver side of the intercooler directly underneath the post intercooler pipe connection, which is the lowest point on the intercooler. A ton of water and oil came out when the hole was first drilled. A year and a half and 45,000 miles later, he hasn't had a single misfire since.
Really cool fix. If you drive your EcoBoost easy for the fuel milage, but experience a misfire when you step on it to accelerate onto an interstate, try drilling on hole in the side of your intercooler. The only side effect is oil residue underneath the intercooler. But if you can live with that, go for it.

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@DanielJaegerFilms
@DanielJaegerFilms 6 жыл бұрын
UPDATE: A year and a half and 45k miles later, this truck has 227k miles and hasn’t had a single problem since. I absolutely love some of these comments here saying the problem is with the turbos leaking oil, dirt will get sucked in the hole, should have installed a catch can, OMG BOOST LEAK 😱 etc etc etc. 😂 Please, educate yourself on turbocharged engines before commenting and making a fool of yourself. This fix has worked, the time and miles have proven it. Hope this video has been helpful to others out there with the same issue.
@slowfudgeballs9517
@slowfudgeballs9517 2 жыл бұрын
That hole is too small for any kind of significant boost leak, the hesitation is way worse anyhow. It can be as small as 1/16th or probably even 1/32nd. You just need to blow out the small amount of pooled liquid blocking airflow there.
@itskarl79
@itskarl79 6 ай бұрын
I been adding an oil catch can on the PCV would reduce the amount of oil coming out.
@shuckydern1
@shuckydern1 5 ай бұрын
I have a 2012 F150 Eco B, same issue, I drilled a small hole through the plastic portion of the intercooler in almost the exact same place as shown, however nothing came out, no water, oil etc. Assuming I was supposed to stop once making it through the plastic portion? I was very careful to do so. If I run my bit through the hole about a half inch I can feel it hit metal. (not drilling). Any help would be appreciated.
@SexyTexas
@SexyTexas 5 ай бұрын
@@shuckydern1comes out while you drive
@911mporsche
@911mporsche 8 жыл бұрын
182k that did hold up really well. good job Ford
@brockclement6461
@brockclement6461 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for sharing the video. My truck has been in the shop 5 times for the issue and had coil wires and plugs replaced... Of course, all unsuccessful.
@chadchristensen1114
@chadchristensen1114 5 жыл бұрын
Drilled mine with an 1/8" bit. Nothing came out right off the start but once I got it out on the highway it spat and sputtered for a couple of K and the sputter was gone. Looked underneath and the signs of water/oil.... Thanks for the fix, glad it's an easy one
@iisreset
@iisreset 6 жыл бұрын
Great video! It nice to see another Ecoboost kicking butt. Have 140k on mine and still pulls like a mule on steroids.
@akbychoice
@akbychoice 7 жыл бұрын
Affenberg I recognized that deal immediately. Nice easy fix. Ford needs to remedy that.
@TommyZTrains
@TommyZTrains 7 жыл бұрын
Wonder if it was "our" Video you saw Daniel ? *AFTER our failure: you wouldn't have believed the amount of water that was "spewing" outa the exhaust*. End-game: we did this same thing ... "no-fuss - no-muss". That SOLVED the problem !. GREAT CLIP !!
@cessealbeach
@cessealbeach 4 жыл бұрын
My dad has a 2014 with 168K miles, synthetic oil change every 5K miles, he just changed plugs and coil packs..running like a champ
@takeactionmedia873
@takeactionmedia873 7 жыл бұрын
Very Interesting. Makes sense, but i think the boost/vacuum leak might present future problems. I was thinking and came up with the idea of maybe installing some sort of petcock at the bottom to occasionally drain the intercooler, but also preventing a boost leak. A hole that size probably wouldn't be noticed by the engine's computer, so either way would probably work. Nice cheap remedy!!
@upsidedowndog1256
@upsidedowndog1256 7 жыл бұрын
Unless turbo rpm is sensed, no ill effects should occur. Boost is regulated by wastegate, so the turbos will turn at a slightly higher rpm for a given boost pressure. Fun!
@jplee123
@jplee123 4 жыл бұрын
Doesn't the MAF before the turbo read a higher volume of air than that which makes it to the engine? i.e. Even though boost is compensated by the wastegate, air volume may not be.
@upsidedowndog1256
@upsidedowndog1256 4 жыл бұрын
@@jplee123 The speed of the turbo should compensate for volume if there is a leakage.
@jplee123
@jplee123 4 жыл бұрын
​@@upsidedowndog1256 Thanks. But after poking around the internets a bit, it looks like EB's have MAP (pressure) sensors aft of the intercooler which makes this mod acceptable, rather than MAF (volume) sensors. If we had MAF sensors this would have likely been a problem as MAFs sense volume, not pressure. And the volume would read higher under boost @ the air filter (typically where MAFs are configured) than what actually made it to the engine, causing a rich air-fuel mixture, and lower under vacuum causing a lean mixture. Again, this is not apparently a problem with EBs since we use MAP (pressure) sensors as opposed to MAF (volume) sensors.
@Powerstroke98
@Powerstroke98 Жыл бұрын
Like you, I found doing this well over a year ago on my 2016 F150 3.5 Ecoboost. When I initially did it, there was lots of crud that came out after the first start of the engine, but it's barely anything now, and I've not had an issue since. I did change out the throttle body recently, and I was surprised at how dirty it was, so quite possibly that crud worked it's way to the throttle body, and over the years has allowed it to get quite dirty! I also have a catch-can (passenger side only) and empty it once a month or so, and it's amazing all the crud that would be pushed into the intake! It's basically oil, moisture and acids, and often looks like baby poo! I dump it in my garbage can, and then wipe out the catch-can super clean, and re-install. I also do 5K oil changes, and the trucks running great at 133K, and I hope for many more years!
@phammond68
@phammond68 7 ай бұрын
would yours ever give you misfire codes? mine did that before as well as the tach getting jumpy and after new coils and plugs was all good. problem is back now about a year later but im getting no misfire codes and a nice steady tach, so im thinking of going with this fix. ive got a 2015 167k, also passenger catch can looks like milkshake about every month, definitly makes me wanna clean the throttle body after seeing what came out of that
@JayIsOutdoorsy
@JayIsOutdoorsy 3 жыл бұрын
What are the symptoms of the misfire problem? I have a 2016 that will throw an intermittent wrench light cruising at 65mph with cruise control. Recently help with wrench light issue replacing the trans oil pump.
@2Quietus
@2Quietus 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder--could you drill a hole to fit a small permanent drain fixture with extended tube to allow the excess to go to ground instead of on the truck?
@warbed1
@warbed1 6 жыл бұрын
Good fix, too bad nobody actually watches and pays attention to your video before commenting and criticizing. It's a tiny whole people it wont effect boost. boosted systems leak just about everywhere. A catch can would not solve this issue since it is mostly condensation, 35 years with Ford and we know this concern. All turbod intercooled car have this concern except for Subaru, (there cooler is vertical/pancake mounted) Great fix and more power to you.
@jeremygaillard5924
@jeremygaillard5924 5 жыл бұрын
BarberChop It definitely works. I did it and there is no loss of boost or power
@mudriderfx4
@mudriderfx4 5 жыл бұрын
I did it as well and it fix it the same day after letting drain
@brockclement6461
@brockclement6461 7 жыл бұрын
2012 Ford F-150 3.5L EcoBoost - stock, no tune. I drilled a 1/16 hole in the corner of mine earlier today and then went for a long hard drive. Initially when opening it wide open, it hesitated and did its thing. After that I opened it wide a few more times and couldn't get it to shutter and enter limp mode... just got home and checked out how much sludge came out... wow. So far, so good. I'll continue to do this for the next few weeks and see how it goes.
@FIP776
@FIP776 8 жыл бұрын
Just drill 3/32 hole in my 2011 Eco and everything go back to normal, even my check engine light goes off
@fraxonthefurry21
@fraxonthefurry21 8 жыл бұрын
hopefully ford could create a factory bleed valve of some sort to fix the problem on newer models. Also could a catch can eliminate most of the oil building up in it?
@davey3765
@davey3765 4 жыл бұрын
I used a small self-tapper so when its done draining it can screw it back in.
@Watchout1010
@Watchout1010 3 жыл бұрын
With a rubber gasket
@sfllife03
@sfllife03 4 жыл бұрын
I have own 10 fords and 1 dodge this 2013 is one of the best trucks I have ever own like I said 238,000 miles and only a sputter out of the truck I hope this fixes my truck it’s just hard to drill a hole in to my inter cooler I pray this works thanks for video
@willpugh8865
@willpugh8865 7 жыл бұрын
im going to add a catch can see if that helps, i don't want oil leaking on my drive way
@stayingupforachange104
@stayingupforachange104 4 жыл бұрын
Just experienced this for the first time at 101,000 miles. Decided to take to Ford (still under warranty). They replaced the plugs, with the #4 cylinder plug being cracked. They covered a new coil for that cylinder, and labor. I paid for the plugs and diagnostic fee. Back to normal for now, we’ll see what happens moving forward.
@williswatrous4820
@williswatrous4820 2 жыл бұрын
Ford warranty ends at 60,000 miles for ecoboost f150 so yeah please stop telling lies
@americanrambler4972
@americanrambler4972 7 жыл бұрын
Joe R - yes I know this is a positive pressure system. I was referring to contamination possibly entering that hole while system is under vacuum such as coasting down a hill with throttle closed. Under some conditions intake manifold can still go negative pressure. I just do not know how often that condition would happen with this motor. There is a video on KZfaq showing just how much air is lost in a charge cooler with a 1/16 hole. He did the test with and without oil in the area. He tested up to 30 lbs in a closed circuit and the air loss was a nit. The pressure loss would easily be overcome by the wimpiest of turbos. At the end of the day a catch can or water/oil separator would be ideal, this fixes the problem too. It's just a bit messy. The little bit of reasearch I just finished on this seems too indicate this is a proven technique used by people who have worked on these systems for a living. Apparently, this intake charge contamination is a common problem on boosted engines in general and measures have to be taken to address it. That was a bit of a surprise to me. I am not a trained professional mechanic. My knowledge comes from fixing my broke vehicles and what had to be done to the the big trucks I drove for years. And there are a lot of gaps in that knowledge. But I do know what polished chrome muffler bearings and blinker fluids are and what Functions they perform.
@danonly55
@danonly55 2 жыл бұрын
Don't forget the can of "beep" for the horn.
@mickeybitsko8333
@mickeybitsko8333 7 жыл бұрын
A sound idea. The turbos will maintain full boost as long as the hole isn't too big. The just delay opening the wastegates as needed. You'd only lose a very small amount of boost at maximum boost and at high altitude. Any gunk simply gets forced out.
@Badgertronix
@Badgertronix 8 жыл бұрын
EXOVCDS has been doing this for years on VW turbos with no issues over on his channel. Great fix, thanks!
@electropentatonic
@electropentatonic 6 жыл бұрын
nice try
@eformance
@eformance 8 жыл бұрын
I wonder if ford is going to come out with a TSB that adds a hole to the intercooler and a catch can to recover and recycle the liquid into the PCV intake port on the inlet of the turbos?
@NormSauceman
@NormSauceman 6 жыл бұрын
I wonder if there is a item we can install through that hole to put a drain tube so you could run the oil out another place so it does not muck up the underbody...
@jeremyragan4897
@jeremyragan4897 2 жыл бұрын
So i have a 2011 king ranch with over 200k miles. had a P0016 code for the camshaft position sensor bank 1 sensor A 6 months ago. i put a new one in and it was fine until today. that is what led me to this video. is drilling this hole going to fix my issue as well? or do i have the dreaded stretched timing chain?
@azteck98
@azteck98 8 жыл бұрын
have you seen a major issue with carbon buildup in ecoboost or with any direct injection engine ?I have a Honda with 230k on it and i wonder if my ecoboost could match it.
@walterharoldbishop
@walterharoldbishop 5 жыл бұрын
wouldn't drilling a hole in intercooler decrease intake pressure?
@sfllife03
@sfllife03 4 жыл бұрын
I have a 2013 eco boost mine is doing the same thing it spits and sputters is when I give it gas and go to pass someone or if I try and keep it in 6th gear I just hook it up to computer and it said cam shaft sensor and timming sensor the truck has 238,000 miles and it runs great other than this never have had a problem until now I am just wondering if I should drill the same hole in mine
@wst8340
@wst8340 3 жыл бұрын
Would this work on a 2.0l Ecoboost? Thanks
@mikeluscher159
@mikeluscher159 2 жыл бұрын
Does this also apply to 2.0 Ecoboost Fusions?
@TheShop.
@TheShop. 8 жыл бұрын
Great video on how to fix a kronick ecoboost issue.
@davidjohnson8474
@davidjohnson8474 7 жыл бұрын
That's a pretty cool little fix! I have a dodge magnum with a 5.7 hemi and we were having issues with misfires and hesitation too but what we found was oil in the intake and we put a oil separater on it and zero problems afterwards. We found oil coming from the PCV. Maybe you could look into that too
@slowfudgeballs9517
@slowfudgeballs9517 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah that is another thing you can do on this engine. People often install catch cans in this hole shown in the vid. But, since the engine gets a lot of blow by from the turbo charged nature, a lot of oil, water, and gas gets circulated past the piston rings, and back into the air intake to be burned again. This increases engine life but decreases the amount of air and gas you can fit into a cylinder. Installing a catch can between that line that filters the air from the oil in a bronze filter or gravity catch will significantly reduce the oil content in the air intake. This is a common problem in forced induction engines but also occurs in naturally asperated engines.
@Chuckers84
@Chuckers84 8 жыл бұрын
Interesting fix. I now have 344,000 km on my 2011 eco and to solve my condensation issue I went with a full race all aluminum front mount intercooler and piping it cured the problem as well and lowering the boost pressure air temp
@slowfudgeballs9517
@slowfudgeballs9517 2 жыл бұрын
This is something I believe my used truck has installed.
@daveerrington5166
@daveerrington5166 Ай бұрын
This is the first thing every eco-boost owner should do when they purchase their vehicle new or used
@mnminnmn
@mnminnmn 7 жыл бұрын
so consensus is a catch can but clean out the intercooler?
@davidbrennan5
@davidbrennan5 7 жыл бұрын
with a hole in the intercooler won't the maf sensor before the intercooler send the wrong signal for airflow?
@tannerpetrie
@tannerpetrie 6 жыл бұрын
It would sense a slight dip in the air pressure, and hold the wastegates closed just a hair longer. So no. It would send the rIght signal
@babarumraisin4863
@babarumraisin4863 7 жыл бұрын
Why not tap a drain valve into the intercooler reachable below the shrouding?
@bmfilmnut
@bmfilmnut 4 жыл бұрын
Does the truck have a catch can installed? I ask because it would be encouraging to hear that he got so many miles without a catch can without the intake valves being fouled up. I've been thinking of getting a catch can system for my 2013 F150 EB. I didn't know about the problem until long after I bought the truck but if this guy got so many miles without a catch can, maybe I don't need one after all. I'd appreciate any comments.
@feeneysmechanical6215
@feeneysmechanical6215 8 жыл бұрын
that makes sense. I wasn't thinking before I asked the question.
@dangrinderslev8135
@dangrinderslev8135 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks a bunch man I was worried about my truck I just bout it 3 months ago
@drewthompson7457
@drewthompson7457 4 жыл бұрын
I put a catch can on the "normal" PCV line, with works when there is vacuum in the intake manifold. Under boost, this doesn't work, as they don't want to pressurize the crankcase. The catch can does collect a few drops of oil, but collects quite a bit of dirty water. When the engine is under boost, there is a different PCV system, which I forgot about as there wasn't much I could do about it. This spring I'll see what is in the bottom of the intercooler, and worry about it then. A hole, with a self tapping screw might be something I"ll do.
@marioendrinal2345
@marioendrinal2345 3 жыл бұрын
I have that underboost problem too. Intermittent check engine light with P0299>Turbocharger/Supercharger Underboost. I just clear the codes coz i dont know how to fix it. Please post if you ever solved the issue. Thanks
@royclark9171
@royclark9171 4 жыл бұрын
Did you put a plug in after your drilled the hole?
@davey3765
@davey3765 5 жыл бұрын
I drilled a weep hole and used a self tapper screw as a plug. Not too many issues here in Northern California
@mauroalvarezsi
@mauroalvarezsi 7 жыл бұрын
why not add an oil catch can or two of them?
@chrisprytko2640
@chrisprytko2640 Жыл бұрын
Just an FYI, I had the same problem. I almost drilled it, but my friend suggested Sea Foam. I did 2oz per gallon in the tank. After it ran through, I didn’t have the issue anymore!!! I also ran another 2oz per gallon in the next fill up. That was around 3OOO miles ago! I have my power back and it seems to have fixed the problem!!
@fumemanv
@fumemanv 7 жыл бұрын
i also read on ford forum room to drill a hole, how bout a rubber plug to seal hole then remove to drain, thanx
@infotechsailor
@infotechsailor 4 жыл бұрын
I've been thinking about drilling and plugging, just draining every oil change. Did you ever do this and if so can you recommend a plug?
@JCnordic2983
@JCnordic2983 4 жыл бұрын
Isn't there a purge valve for the intercooler?
@Buzzfink
@Buzzfink 4 ай бұрын
Drilled the hole and replaced 6 plugs. Runs like a new truck. Got about a pint glass full of sludge. Still running great 👍
@dmitri469
@dmitri469 7 жыл бұрын
how would it build boost?
@paulgrimm7842
@paulgrimm7842 5 жыл бұрын
So you don’t need a catch can after doing this?
@auskip07
@auskip07 7 жыл бұрын
wouldnt installing a capped off hose or nozzle into the bottom of the IC and emptying it out every oil change be a better solution than creating a boost leak? .
@eclypse3d
@eclypse3d 2 жыл бұрын
It seems counter-intuitive to create a boost/vacuum leak, just catch can it and retain the correct pressure. I am not sure how many bars you are losing by drilling a hole in a sealed system like this. Not sure the fix is a reasonable tradeoff.
@AgustinCesar
@AgustinCesar 8 жыл бұрын
Now that´s what I call a cool hud. :P Man, technology goes so fast these days.
@angelov1217
@angelov1217 7 жыл бұрын
Why didn't you just install a catch can to trap the oil?
@drewelling4441
@drewelling4441 Жыл бұрын
Could this be the cause for water in my oil? I have the same truck and change oil every 3000 miles. I usually have atleast a half quart of water in the oil. Atleast I think it must be water because it doesn't smell like gas and I always add 6 quarts and around 6.5 usually drains out
@boostercontrol100
@boostercontrol100 4 жыл бұрын
Did you try step colder plugs? If your making to much power for the spark it will miss fire under full throttle you need go step colder plugs. Maybe what happen was the hole in the inter cooler looses boost thus he loses power and it stops the misfire lol. If yall already did that then idk what is just asking.
@jordanbock2826
@jordanbock2826 Жыл бұрын
Would a catch can system aid on this?
@rymat1427
@rymat1427 6 жыл бұрын
I drilled two 1/16 holes. Oil came out close to a tar consistency. Fixed the engine stumble. Acts like a new car
@DoyleHargraves
@DoyleHargraves 5 жыл бұрын
It's hard top argue with that. Do you have a oil spot where you park?
@robertwood3970
@robertwood3970 7 жыл бұрын
All you did by putting a hole in the intercooler was lower the boost. Did you try new plugs gapped at .030"? If lowering the boost stopped the mlsfire the problem was the plugs gapped too wide.
@skate9111wolf
@skate9111wolf 3 жыл бұрын
Whats years of ecoboost does this benefit
@85tkern
@85tkern 5 жыл бұрын
Did you have to take off the air dam to get to the front side of the intercooler? I have a 2014 limited for reference.
@2Quietus
@2Quietus 2 жыл бұрын
It's a necessity unless you have an angle drill. Easy to do though, only two nuts holding it.
@bobspano5493
@bobspano5493 2 жыл бұрын
is this like the same thing as using a catch can? It's defiantly cheaper! I gotta try this. 230660 mls on my truck. Replacing plugs more often than needed. Just changed the ignition coil on cylinder 4, no change. About to over haul the fuel injectors. Getting the flashing engine light. P0304. Hope this works! I'll let ya know
@tysonmanning6544
@tysonmanning6544 6 жыл бұрын
Would that hole in the intercooler cause any issues during cold winters? I live in Alberta, Canada and we get down to -22 Farenheit.
@Robon2ndShift
@Robon2ndShift 5 жыл бұрын
Nope. I live in North Dakota and we get those temps and lower.
@ricardoricardo9644
@ricardoricardo9644 7 жыл бұрын
So this doesn't fall under a boost leak?
@stanleykania7184
@stanleykania7184 5 жыл бұрын
I drilled and installed the Caught can !! 128,000 now, good to go
@Wiseman189
@Wiseman189 5 жыл бұрын
Working on one now same problem but I'm going to figure out the right way to fix it and I'll let you know what I find.
@eldensoulsguy
@eldensoulsguy 5 жыл бұрын
Did you ever figure it out
@ryanmatthews1305
@ryanmatthews1305 6 жыл бұрын
This is the same issue i had. I made the fix and changed my plugs. Still having the same issue. Any other ideas what the problem can be?
@gregh5787
@gregh5787 2 жыл бұрын
Did you check spark plug gap?
@DAMAGETX
@DAMAGETX 4 жыл бұрын
I changed my spark plugs but didn’t change anything, i tried changing the coils also but nothing, so now yesterday i drilled the hole on my intercooler but it did show a little improvement but it still does the same i press down on the gas and it still makes the sound! Any ideas on what else can i do?
@noahu3422
@noahu3422 3 жыл бұрын
Mauro Calderson Did you ever find out what it was?
@oscarzt1652
@oscarzt1652 7 жыл бұрын
why is there oil in the intercooler?
@ethanpipitone3423
@ethanpipitone3423 5 жыл бұрын
Where are you located in Illinois
@ega0117
@ega0117 6 жыл бұрын
What size engine is that? Is that the 3.5 Ecoboost?
@recrdholdr
@recrdholdr 8 жыл бұрын
Is that the injectors or timing chain rattle?
@Bourbon_Blue_Devil
@Bourbon_Blue_Devil 7 жыл бұрын
are you along the Wabash river?
@kcled01
@kcled01 4 жыл бұрын
I get the idea of condensation. But condensation creates water, not oil. So is drilling the hole solving 2 problems then? The 1st being the condensation and the 2nd being the oil entering the intake & coating the valves.
@jackpontiac52
@jackpontiac52 7 жыл бұрын
This happens on VW Jetta TDI's. Crankcase fumes from the PCV condense in the intercooler.
@LACURIOSA5
@LACURIOSA5 7 жыл бұрын
What camera are you using to record this video ? if you dont mind me asking
@brandenkelp
@brandenkelp 7 жыл бұрын
😳 FORD APPROVED!
@dougroberts6606
@dougroberts6606 4 жыл бұрын
How do you know Ford approved?
@sacheus
@sacheus 8 жыл бұрын
Same for TDI if you have oil in your intake, a self tap screw in intercooler and drain every oil change.
@itskarl79
@itskarl79 6 ай бұрын
best answer yet
@712gln
@712gln 8 жыл бұрын
What about decarbing the intake valves
@hickindustries7076
@hickindustries7076 7 жыл бұрын
Boost leak?
@TheTurpin1234
@TheTurpin1234 7 жыл бұрын
Now its also a oil catch can, keeping the valves clean.
@stevew6910
@stevew6910 7 жыл бұрын
2nd gen 3.5 in 2017s have a different inner cooler. Will never have to drain one. Turbos will draw it out when it reaches about 1/4 on the bottom. if your gassing it both will draw any condensation out . You might want to put a screw in that hole so some oil gets to the turbos. It appears ford found a fix or decided to do something since they was getting a bad rap on the echos
@FrenchValleyAirport
@FrenchValleyAirport 8 жыл бұрын
What was fords TSB on this if it's a common issue?
@DanielJaegerFilms
@DanielJaegerFilms 8 жыл бұрын
Ford's TSB is to replace the intercooler and install different shields. But I've heard that it can cause slight performance decreases, loss of fuel mileage, and sometimes not even fix the problem. Plus, those intercoolers are upwards of a grand, drilling a little hole didn't cost us anything.
@chevyhs
@chevyhs 8 жыл бұрын
+DanielJaegerFilms why not install a catch can?
@herminwarren8620
@herminwarren8620 7 жыл бұрын
Nissanquasquicars
@briskmlg
@briskmlg 7 жыл бұрын
Can confirm that on our 2015 f-150 3.5 ecoboost the replacement intercooler did not fix anything. We still had problems with it continually after that.
@FrenchValleyAirport
@FrenchValleyAirport 7 жыл бұрын
briskmlg so what did u end up doing?
@DivideAndConkor
@DivideAndConkor 6 жыл бұрын
My 2012 Ecoboost only gets ~13-14 MPG and that's with it set to ~60 MPH on cruise going to and from work everyday. I think I need to change my plugs, drill my weep hole, and get a catch can since I had to replace my MAP sensor on top of the intake when I got the truck, with 68k miles on it, since it wasn't just dirty but permanently discolored. That has only been a month back but I've watched the MPG steadily drop from around 16-17 MPG to around 13 MPG now which is what I was getting in my 05 Yukon Denali with a big 6L Vortec.
@Atrophes
@Atrophes 7 жыл бұрын
@Jerrammie Villanueva suggested a catch can and I'd agree with him. A catch can would probably work. Or at least with the current solution you could tap the hole, throw a fitting in there, then use some flexible tubing to make a cheap catch bottle out of a small mayo bottle or something. Then put another hole in the lid and put a one way check valve in it to prevent a vaccum from pulling things in to the hole on vaccum. Or hell, if you don't care whats coming out and want to avoid blowing crud all over your truck, you could just tap the hole and screw a little check valve in to it, then run a tiny length of tube below where the oil would blow from the hole Although where is this oil coming from? An EGR or PCV Valve? I guess I can sort of see the logic of putting the EGR or PCV before the turbos, due to the fact that you're going to have more vacuum before them but wouldn't that mean that you're cooking oil on to the compressor wheels which could cause them to fail early due to to bearing wear from having weird unbalanced loads on the compressor fins? I mean, living in the motor city I have friends who are engineers at Ford and GM and they're not dumb people, but you'd think that they would think of this failure mode. There has to be some logical trade off.
@illmaticTKD
@illmaticTKD 7 жыл бұрын
boost leak?
@ihaveworms2078
@ihaveworms2078 7 жыл бұрын
Since you are adding a hole to the intercooler, are you loosing boost pressure since air is just going to be continuously blowing out the hole?
@DoRC
@DoRC 7 жыл бұрын
Ihaveworms A small hole won't make much difference.
@DonkeyEvo
@DonkeyEvo 7 жыл бұрын
The turbos can easily compensate for such a small hole.. keep in mind the engine consumes air constantly that the the turbos provide and would easily over pressurize the engine at wot and high rpms if it was not regulated. That small hole is no issue.
@myid9876543
@myid9876543 7 жыл бұрын
Ihaveworms the other commenters and yourself are right, you will lose pressure, it won't matter because the turbo will make its pressure quota anyway, the real problem is now the mismatch between measured air at the air flow sensor and actual air entering the engine. this constitutes an intake leak, throwing the fuel trims off. a real problem on a turbo motor, the trims may even swing between positive and negative depending on driving conditions (uphill on a Fwy vs 25mph on flat ground, fuel trims responding to high boost vs negative pressure in the intake) potentially making diagnosis confusing/difficult
@kleetus92
@kleetus92 7 жыл бұрын
I am certain that the difference in air volume vs measured pre compressor is well within the margin of error of the sensor array of sensors that indicate the actual quantity of air being fed into the engine. Failing that, even if it DID make a difference, the result would be a slightly rich mixture since there would be in theory less air present than calculated, and rich never killed a motor. Lean will eat a piston in short order. Worst you'd do is foul a plug. If you wanted to be super anal about it and I don't remember which side of the throttle plate this is in the system, worst case under a decelerating high rpm vacuum condition you could suck a little dirt in, so maybe routing that port through an oil filter might be an option to make as a make shift air cleaner. Real world difference: Zero.
@MrDrmorbid
@MrDrmorbid 7 жыл бұрын
Dummy. The turbo will have to overspin to generate the same pressure, reducing its service life and, in some cases, causing failed bearings and center shafts. The way to do this, if one wants to do some drilling, is to make that hole, install a boss and then run a line to something on the intake side. This way pooled water will collect and disperse and no metered air will be lost. I also can't believe this was a problem from new. It's likely the intercooler is so dirty inside that the water is collecting in some bad areas due to sludge. I'm sure this guy never suggested an IC clean.
@compmanio36
@compmanio36 Жыл бұрын
Haven't had an issue on my 12 3.5 but I might do this anyways just to avoid a future problem. Live in a pretty dry climate out here in the high desert so maybe that's why you don't see this crop up in this area as much.
@unreal6029
@unreal6029 7 жыл бұрын
A bunch of green stuff came out ...should I be worried?
@mono19963
@mono19963 7 жыл бұрын
Un Real That's normal.
@willnicholas4474
@willnicholas4474 6 жыл бұрын
thank you for the info!!
@faisal3398
@faisal3398 7 жыл бұрын
You could've done what Ford done to their Focus RS, they used a small plate to block some airflow to prevent exactly what is happening in this case.
@offroadpatriot7219
@offroadpatriot7219 5 жыл бұрын
Oil catch can. I'm at 75k miles on my 2011 and the amount I dump out of my Catch can every oil change tells me there is enough blow by to cause an issue like this. But to each their own.
@andrewgrondahl6727
@andrewgrondahl6727 7 жыл бұрын
I have a 2014 with 82K on it currently in ND. I have been having this shudder issue for that past couple (summer) months. Im looking into doing this to my pickup very soon.
@azteck98
@azteck98 7 жыл бұрын
original spark plugs i got 49k on mine ?
@andrewgrondahl6727
@andrewgrondahl6727 7 жыл бұрын
update. I did not drill the hole. I had a shop change coil pack, plugs and wires. My pickup runs great with no issues now.
@vincentbrugetti7254
@vincentbrugetti7254 Жыл бұрын
But it will keep returning, and I’m sure, the mechanic knows this, but just not gunna say
@americanrambler4972
@americanrambler4972 7 жыл бұрын
Had to think about this one a bit. The Boost leakage is a very small amount of air vs amount being supplied. It's a non issue. There is probably a bit of goo on the inside where the hole is, so I would bet the air being sucked in would capture most of if not all the contaminates that got in. That area is in an area where you would not see much dust anyway due to the way the air moves around that region. That is a pretty protected area. And being a boosted engine in a heavy truck, I would bet the times a vacuum large enough to pull any contamination through that tiny hole would be minimal at best. You would get more dirt from other sources already in the system.
@joer5057
@joer5057 7 жыл бұрын
American Rambler you realize that this is a positive pressure system, right? There will be air forced OUT the hole, which not only will make the truck run worse, or at the very least weak. Air intake on fuel injected vehicles is a very delicate and intricate system, especially ones using forced induction. Putting any holes in the system will throw it out of balance and cause a boost leak.
@vincentbrugetti7254
@vincentbrugetti7254 Жыл бұрын
The air leakage from a 1/16 hole looks like a leaky nail in a tire, after thumbing some spit on it. So compared to the volume of air that runs through system, it’s not noticed in the slightest and the system is still pressurized…
@CLENCHEDCURVE74
@CLENCHEDCURVE74 8 жыл бұрын
our duramax is the same way the oily air from the pcv mixes with the soot from the egr and plugs up the intake
@XFHgog
@XFHgog 7 жыл бұрын
Marc Somers Re route the PCV to the atmosphere past the cab.
@CameronKelson
@CameronKelson 7 жыл бұрын
You said that he's only done oil changes, spark plugs and coils. Out of curiosity, what was the check engine light for later on in the video? It obviously wasn't something crippling, because he continues to drive the truck, but apparently oil changes, plugs and coils aren't all it needs. I'm looking at getting a 2011 Eco used right now, which is why I ask.
@epicenergy777
@epicenergy777 7 жыл бұрын
Cameron Kelson. The key was on, but It was not running... I think.
@Krankie_V
@Krankie_V 7 жыл бұрын
Cameron Kelson the tachometer wss resting on zero. the light was on because the engine was not running.
@syntaxis5584
@syntaxis5584 7 жыл бұрын
you could try adding a moisture trap to stop the oil residue
@d-arts7139
@d-arts7139 Жыл бұрын
might want to check resetting that oil change in the system panel. i have a 2015 eco and i believe it know if ive been towing or off-roading a lot, and may decrease my intervals, but 7500-10000 miles is too long for me. you can decrease the settings, but still one of the best ways is to write it down. like we have done since the beginning of time lol
@anomamos9095
@anomamos9095 7 жыл бұрын
I'd try a oil catch can on the PCV before drilling any holes . It would be a two birds one stone thing too.
@jacobreynolds9736
@jacobreynolds9736 4 жыл бұрын
Anom Amos catch can won’t stop the condensation issue, only mitigates the oil blow by. Condensation is forming from the drastic drop in hot compressed air coming from turbos to begin rapidly cooled in cooler to throttle body
@phammond68
@phammond68 7 ай бұрын
did the catch can a couple months ago as well as updated to the brown pcv valve with no change in the acceleration shudder
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