Holmes, Spiegs disagree on whether new White Sox stadium would be good for the city

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The White Sox's plan for potentially building a new stadium in the South Loop is seemingly moving along at a fast rate. The team is talking with a developer about building a new stadium on a long-underdeveloped 62-acre parcel of land near Roosevelt Road and Clark Street, but would that be good for the city of Chicago? Dan Bernstein, Laurence Holmes, Danny Parkins and Matt Spiegel had a lively debate about that topic in transition.
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@Mr.Perry33 7 ай бұрын

If Jerry wants to pay for it I'm all in, but don't expect the citizens to pick up the bill for a billionaire who wants to be cheap. Cubs renovated Wrigley out of their own money and so should the White Sox

@targodrock7216 7 ай бұрын

If the White Sox's want a new stadium, then they should foot the bill.

@1011skarn 7 ай бұрын

As true as it should be for literally any sports team ever.

@jpd3484 7 ай бұрын

Exactly

@chrismartin500 2 ай бұрын

You aren't wrong, but come on man, you know damn well the taxpayers are going to pay for it.

@mikegiammaria 6 ай бұрын

How in the world have the Cubs and Bulls and Black Hawks survived all these years so far from the loop?

@ianemory5800 6 ай бұрын

I'd be fine with the stadium being moved .....if the Chicago Whitesox were footing the bills and not tax payer dollars.

@kurtvolkman8427 7 ай бұрын

If the Sox move to the 78. That needs to be a stadium with some sort of roof. To replace the Rate & lots, the stadium needs to be renovated & part of its own entertainment or innovation district

@nutshell9460 7 ай бұрын

Lawrence is absolutely correct here and this should be a bigger topic. I get both sides of the coin and a new stadium is objectively a good thing for the team, but stripping the existing neighborhood of a huge lifeline is history repeating itself. That neighborhood needs the White Sox to either stay or have a good plan in mind to reuse those facilities. If not, this is unacceptable and unfair to a largely minority population.

@joemiller7296 7 ай бұрын

Couldnt have said that any better myself.

@knarfluna 7 ай бұрын

That neighborhood will be just fine…that neighborhood thrives without the Whitesox…LOHO is wrong again….this isn’t Englewood..NORTH LAWNDALE….AUSTIN…..Bridgeport will thrive even more. Don’t get caught up in LOHOs garbage

@DannyKaffee 7 ай бұрын

So the neighborhood is so terrible the Sox should be forced to stay there to keep it from getting even worse.

@soxpacker 7 ай бұрын

The people that say the current park is fine, I get it. I'm basically right there with you. But here's the reality: Stay at 35th & Shields and the team is gone. No one is going to buy that team and keep it at that location. It will be sold to someone out of state and moved to another city. Quit making this about Jerry. Jerry is 88 years old and he's going to be long gone. This new park will be for us the fans, to keep the team in Chicago and for the next owner. Maybe the Fire would like to move into Guaranteed Rate. It would be nice if the current park/neighborhood wasn't completely abandoned. Lawrence renounced his White Sox fandom, I heard him say it... so whatever.

@llee8825 6 ай бұрын

Jerry thinks he will live another ten years. He said it in an interview.

@blindhelicopterpilot 6 ай бұрын

Sox are the worst team in baseball and Jerry is the worst owner in MLB and probably the worst owner in the NBA and a barely ahead of the McCaskeys for worst owners in Chicago sports.

@soxpacker 6 ай бұрын

@@blindhelicopterpilot Do you have a point?

@MrAlonso101 7 ай бұрын

Downtown location is better for the following reasons: 1. Still have access to the Red and Green Lines with the Orange Linee added and the Blue Line is only 4 blocks away. 2. The area is safer. Less jagoffs from the projects next to ballpark trying to ripoff people parking or straight up robbing them.

@SosaCorkedBat 7 ай бұрын

I live 3 blocks north of 12th(Roosevelt) street and the redline…ppl get robbed all the time in my area and carjacked…thats gonna happen everywhere but I would agree that downtown is where the action is at and the money…non-casual fans and tourist would go to a game just to have something to do…so they should make the move

@orcaidhne 7 ай бұрын

I parked for free across from snack time all the time like 1/2 mile from sox park, never had any issue with crime

@beartackle 6 ай бұрын

I would love to just use the Brown Line to get there. It will relieve the train congestion in the end being so close to most of the lines.

@llee8825 6 ай бұрын

River North is now one of the most dangerous areas in downtown. I have lived in South Loop for ten years and love it, but you need to be careful everywhere now.

@tempe1d 7 ай бұрын

Its really refreshing to hear to ppl disagree and yet have a respectful conversation. They listened to each other. Both made great points. In the end i think they may still disagree but can respect and understand where the other was coming from. Im not a chicago sports fan yet i am now subscribed and a fan of this group. So tired of the angry yelling and screaming. They yell because they cant hear the other person and they have to be correct. Its not about the actual discussion with those shows. Its only about ratings,clicks, and being a personality. Again. Thank you gentlemen for being MEN not silly screaming kids talking fast, parroting what everyone else says.

@Pedro-uz8jz 7 ай бұрын

As a South Sider, Holmes speaks for most southsiders as he spits facts. Pure, simple facts.

@brucestanley9330 7 ай бұрын

How about if the Fire makes that field their new home for soccer games?

@mikegiammaria 6 ай бұрын

If you think people do not attend White Sox games because they don't want to walk there, you're not paying attention. The White Sox fans don't want to attend games when they are competing for fourth place. Jerry complains that he didn't get 3 million in 2006. If they had been competitive the second half of 2006, if they had decided to remain competitive they would have had no attendance problems. Sell the team Jerry.

@dchav15 7 ай бұрын

There was a mention here about a sweetheart deal that the Sox reached with the state so they couldn't develop around 35th? Can anyone tell me more about that? Is there an article somewhere that explains that? I'm a Cubs fan, but as a Chicago guy the Sox are my #2 team. I think that 78 property would be great for the Sox, but also think that could developed with much better general city improvements. I would love to see the Sox stay at 35th and maybe do another stadium on the same property, facing this city with the skyline in the back, and then develop the neighborhood so it's in own special area that people want to visit and live in. Expand the greatness of Chicago. Why can't that happen?

@ryansmith290 6 ай бұрын

When New Comiskey was built it was a mutual agreement where the Illinois Sports Authority allowed Jerry to keep parking revenue. It was at a time when the focus was to get people to drink and spend money inside the park versus around the stadium before and after. Also Daley and Bridgeport residents didn't want to turn the parking lots into a 24/7 partyville entertainment district like Wrigleyville. Sox got special permission from the Sports Authority to build their team store and White Sox bar and grill at Lot B. I don't think building on Old Comiskey site is realistic because they are constrained with space because they can't interfere with the historic Armour Park. While the trend has changed in baseball the last decade to own the entertainment and real estate around ballparks, I think Jerry knows current location is not suitable for that unless The Sports Authority and Bridgeport budges and let's them build their ballpark village at 35th. If not, then only realistic location besides suburbs is 78 and timing is of essence since he can piggyback with all the tax incentives that the city has already granted First Midwest.

@dchav15 6 ай бұрын

Thank you so much for explaining that to me. I appreciate you taking the time.@@ryansmith290

@llee8825 6 ай бұрын

I grew up in the South and say - let the team move to Nashville which is a small market. Southerners are crazy about college basketball and college football. They do not care about baseball. Atlanta is not the south (except before General Sherman burned it down) so the Braves are an anomaly. Let Jerry lose millions in Nashville then beg to come back to Chicago.😂

@MGAF688 6 ай бұрын

How long will Jerry live? He is already almost 90.

@llee8825 6 ай бұрын

Jerry believes he will live another ten years. He said it in a 2021 interview.@@MGAF688

@FIFApepper 7 ай бұрын

I dont think ive ever disagreed more with B&H

@1011skarn 7 ай бұрын

Sox Park is not in a good area, whether Laurence wants to admit it or not. The red line is garbage, and I see violence on it every time I've gone to the park. No, the Sox don't deserve a new stadium, and no, tax payer shouldn't pay for it, but to keep saying bs about the neighborhood, sorry, the neighborhood sucks.

@tomstack2252 6 ай бұрын

So do you I’m sure you have never been there

@nochey78 6 ай бұрын

Bridgeport absolutely does not “suck”..and it’s not really all that violent..the problem is that it’s just boring around there. You have no clue what you’re talking about at all..

@robertgriffin445 7 ай бұрын

Honestly, I think 78 property is wonderful idea much more for the Bears than for the White Sox. What they should actually do is rebuild modernized version of old Comiskey on same plot of land as it once stood for 80 years. Where Guarantee Rate Fields stands now develop land into a walking plaza of bars, stores and restaurants.

@jpd3484 7 ай бұрын

If it's about the new shiny toy to increase his enjoyment, spiegs is for it. Do not ask this guy to think about anything more serious than his own fun. Jerry Reinsdorf is the cheapest owner in baseball. If you listed all the tools salaries paid to any one player ever for all the MLB teams, the White Sox are guaranteed to be at the bottom. And he has the nerve to demand tax payer money now at his age 88 to build a new stadium to in his mind raise the value of the franchise so he can sell the team for a higher price. This guy Reinsdorf is really something. But people like Spiegs who only care about their enjoyment do not care about holding Reinsdorf accountable and then the whole abandoning the south side thing is also repulsive

@brucestanley9330 7 ай бұрын

South loop is still south. Most game attending fans for the Sox come from the west burbs. That'll be a much better location. The Fire has been mentioned as possible tenants of the existing park. Being next to Pilsen, that makes a lot of sense.

@jpd3484 7 ай бұрын

@@brucestanley9330Reinsdorf does not deserve a penny of tax payer money. He is a major cheapskate as team owner. The main reason the Sox do not draw is due to him not investing to make the team good

@brucestanley9330 7 ай бұрын

@@jpd3484 There is no denying the truth in your statement.

@MrDuds1984 7 ай бұрын

The bonds from the current ballpark are still not paid off but we want a new stadium. Jesus Christ. If I was the city and before I look to extend this lane to Jerry he would have to advise what his succession plan is (87 years old) how much of his own money will come out of his pocket.

@ralevo 4 ай бұрын

Most Sox fans don't live in the Loop. We live in the South or Southwest suburbs or Northwest Indiana. It takes me a while to get to Comiskey from Orland; my tolerance to travelling farther North in the city is nil.

@georgepalmerin4514 6 ай бұрын

Heard the argument. All had to tip toe around the real reason. Born and raised in that part of the City. It is and always will be the south and east of the Dan Ryan neighborhoods. If Wrigley Field was there they would have the same problem.

@ronaldstubbs9450 6 ай бұрын

Dude got killed right in front of Wrigley a few years ago

@jeffc1347 6 ай бұрын

There is zero chance the team would move even without a new ballpark. Imagine how disasterous it would have been for the franchise if they moved to Tampa 30 years ago, nobody cares about the Rays and they are consistently good. Chicago is the best market for them. They will get a new ballpark in Chicago though because that’s how things go.

@michaelleroy9281 3 ай бұрын

In 2024 the Rays aren't that good they're back to mediocrity

@chadwood47 6 ай бұрын

I visited Chicago a few Years ago to see a cubs game . It was my first MLB game and I live so far away it might have been my last . If this is a beautiful stadium and easy to get too for out of towners then from renderings I seen it will be a must see attraction for all

@ronaldstubbs9450 6 ай бұрын

Jerry messed up the attendance, when he instigated the lockout in 1994. No playoffs, no world series. He did that while the Sox were in first place. The defending AL west champions. He gave the city to the Cubs

@giacobbeperales5926 5 ай бұрын

What most seem to not understand is that it's going to be more than just a stadium. It's going to be a new year round neighborhood. That's how it's going to benefit the city. Just remember that few wanted Navy Pier and Millennium Pk. And look at how the city has benefited. The investment was more than worth it and so would building a new neighborhood with a stadium as it's anchor. Look at Wrigley. People go to Cubs games because of the neighborhood. Talk to most Cubs fans. They don't know much about Baseball because they go to games because of the neighborhood. This is a no brainer.

@PorfyD23 7 ай бұрын

Lawrence and Dan stop being Buzz Kills

@lavellsmith8613 7 ай бұрын

Yup

@tomstack2252 6 ай бұрын

That’s what they do

@georgepalmerin4514 6 ай бұрын

It's not hurt the feelings of the people near the park. BS

@arojaaspmf 7 ай бұрын

Move on fellas , the new stadium will happen.

@nochey78 6 ай бұрын

Who’s gonna pay for it??

@llee8825 6 ай бұрын

Chicago is broke. We have other important priorities and sports is not one. If Reinsdork wants a new stadium, he should pay for it.

@cg2642 6 ай бұрын

Giving billions of dollars in tax payer money to a stadium does not guarantee that the organization that uses that stadium will be healthy and competitive.

@emmettjones8075 7 ай бұрын

New stadium will be great for the city, who wants to go to Bridgeport to watch a baseball game!

@JL_-on1st 7 ай бұрын

I definitely agree.

@Abax77 6 ай бұрын

Obviously no one, look at the attendance 😂

@JL_-on1st 7 ай бұрын

Can't wait for that shiny new stadium. This will be a game changer, no doubt

@kylewaddle4496 7 ай бұрын

Lets be honest noone s paying to take a kid to a game on the Southside.

@joemccullough4246 7 ай бұрын

boo hoo a couple bars in Bridgeport go under. There’s nothing else around the park. Give the fans something more than seas of parking lots

@markaguilar7646 6 ай бұрын

Jerry wants it that way! He wants you to spend your money in ballpark. That's why there is nothing around ballpark. Now he's cry cause his castle at 35th street is empty.

@d.j.8059 6 ай бұрын

Laurence says "you're moving away from your fanbase". Garbage. The White Sox' fanbase, such as it s, is in the suburbs. The Red and Green Line trains coming from the north FULL on the way to the games and gong north after the games.

@mikegiammaria 6 ай бұрын

The traffic flow at this new stadium will not work. Sell the team. Jerry.

@taoloveu 7 ай бұрын

I wonder what kind of impact the new stadium would have on china town and Pilsen Will the shiny new stadium bring a lot of business but also more gentrification And Lawrence is right what happens to 35 th and shields

@brucestanley9330 7 ай бұрын

Chicago Fire soccer field is what I heard. Lots of soccer fans in Pilsen

@taoloveu 6 ай бұрын

@@brucestanley9330 they are gonna play soccer in the new Sox stadium?!?!??

@2005wsoxfan 4 ай бұрын

BUILD IT!!! Cut a useless social program and build it.

@user-jf4nj3ez2k 4 ай бұрын

How about not lose 100 or more games every season. GO CUBS!!!!!

@kylewaddle4496 7 ай бұрын

let the migrants sleep there attendance will go sky high.

@joekirner8832 6 ай бұрын

100+ losses no matter what stadium they are in. Won't be back till they show signs of wanting to win.

@joeypizza2761 7 ай бұрын

I'm not a Sox fan, but are there really that many fans that would be excited that the stadium is closer to downtown?

@calm1047 7 ай бұрын

Downtown is like the center for all entertainment. They would draw in more people. The Cubs get about 30% that are not from Chicago.

@turdferguson8175 7 ай бұрын

Yes

@EctoJoe 7 ай бұрын

I'm a sox fan and super excited for the possibility of this new location.

@emmettjones8075 7 ай бұрын

@@calm1047Hell yes! 😂😊

@Mr.Perry33 7 ай бұрын

Hell yeah

@masterGAWK9 7 ай бұрын

I don't care what these multi million / billion sports business' do until their hands are in the taxpayers pockets. If the city/taxpayers are paying more than 20% then it's the same old BS big business wins.

@markaguilar7646 16 күн бұрын

When have both teams been good at the same time? Jerry can sell the team. I'm tired of his BS.

@baKKedBeaN94 6 ай бұрын

This stadium is NOT happening. Call me cynical but this is most likely a good reason for Jerry to leave. The city isnt paying for it, Jerry wont pay for it. Jerry will complain then make it a reason to leave to another city. Thats all

@llee8825 6 ай бұрын

I grew up in the South and say - let the team move to Nashville which is a small market. Southerners are crazy about college basketball and college football. They do not care about baseball. Atlanta is not the South (it was before General Sherman burned it down) so the Braves are an anomaly. Let Jerry lose millions in Nashville.

@MokiYankees 6 ай бұрын

All this new stadium talk is a distraction from the actual team stinking. Idc where they play as long as they put a great team out there for me to watch I will come.

@kylewaddle4496 7 ай бұрын

It's rubber stamped because the Bears are heading to Arlington.

@moneydee9903 7 ай бұрын

Nothing wrong with the park where it is But if you want a new stadium that’s fine too…… pay for it yourself I’d like a new house….. I’m not asking anyone to pay for it And no one will watch the Sox play no matter where they build his stadium

@petermandzych7591 6 ай бұрын

Those sports commentators on this show who have reservations about putting a White Sox Stadium at the 78, wait a minute.....ARE YOU KIDDING ME !!!!! What's in the coffee they're drinking ?? This would be the best thing for the Sox and in an incredible location!!! This is the main problem with Sports Talk Radio, you pit one opinion against the other because it's good radio and it helps ratings in an ultra competitive market. Even though it's probably not, one might think in those moments the perception that it's scripted which justifiably announcers will deny as I may qualify regardless having the Sox future close to Downtown Chicago with location and revenue streams brings this franchise in a more competitive nature and giving them a chance to be back on par with the Cubs. Doesn't that sound logical or am I losing my mind too ??? Lol !!!!!!!!

@brianstollings6416 7 ай бұрын

It’s good for the Sox. It’s bad for the city. The city is already screwed though so… might as well have fun.

@williamfisher2427 3 ай бұрын

This is one of the dumbest discussions I’ve heard in a long time.

@2ndcitysaint52 6 ай бұрын

no one wants to deal with these neighborhoods, they are hell holes, they are even worse now. Laurence needs to grow up, hes been pushing this bs for almost a decade, these neighborhoods are not salvageable, where the current park is now is right on the gates of hell itself, you go any further south and ur in the thick of some of the worst areas in the city. No one wants to be there period.

@ronaldstubbs9450 6 ай бұрын

Northsider