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I still remember Haachama's karaoke in tears, blaming herself. Nah bruh, nobody deserves that amount of shit for that little of a deal. I do not believe the money is worth the mental anguish the talent have to go through, and what happens if something like that happens again, but for an even DUMBER reason?

The whole HoloCN+Coco situation was a more than harsh enough lesson why they need to steer a long mile clear from the Chinese demographic. It'd be baffling, and quite disappointing, if they seriously attempted returning to China after that conflict. They were taught that lesson through their talents' hardships, so they better take it to heart.

The number 1 thing I fear IF Hololive were to actually try to reconnect with China is what would happen IF another drama on the same level as the Taiwan Drama (or God forbid something worse happens) were to happen? Hololive imo got lucky that the Oversea fans were able to support them after the fallout with China. So if another event like that were to happen, would Hololive be able to survive this time? Sad to say but I'm not confident.

No way cover would ever be allowed to do business is China at this point, even if they wanted to. They've openly had café collabs in Taiwan and many talents have shown appreciation to Taiwan Bros since the Chinese exodus.

The biggest problems i see with them having any way of getting back into China is 1: the fact that they have a market in Taiwan 2: CCP can and wil find any way they can to gain full control over the company

My personal opinion? If I was Yagoo, I'd tell The Chinese to go eat Rocks. Their Patriots harassed so many of the Hololive talents simply because two JP Talents who had a foreign education, thus further ignorant of Chinese culture, didn't know it's forbidden to say "Taiwan ". One of them already apologized and they simply decided to target just Coco because it's easier to target one talent at a time. Followed by the fact, that they continued to harass Fubuki even after the controversy and after Coco's graduation. They caused One of Hololive's greatest Talents to graduate. The management of Hololive wanted no beef with them and yet they acted like they owned Cover Corp. If they even want Cover Corp to continue business with China, I'd consider it, if and only if, The Chinese, the antis, bilibili, the Chinese government and all who Boycotted Hololive, bow down with their heads lowered in a dogeza style apology. They must apologize for driving Coco off, they must apologize for harassing the talents, they must apologize for causing one of the biggest controversies in Cover Corp history and Creating infighting within the company in the form of Hololive CN. Personally, I'd find it very difficult to forgive the Chinese.

going back to CN means that HoloPro must adhere to the current guidelines set by CCP. I kinda remember the community noting that cover dodged a bullet by nuking holoCN right before those guidelines were announced.

From my friends and family in China, I can say that the opinions are highly mixed. There's also a divide amongst them that feel like either China did a massive injustice and feel ashamed to even call themselves Chinese, but on the other side some of my family things it was a just dessert for mentioning Taiwan. If I had to give my side, I'd say they shouldn't, since the chinese government indoctrinates every child through the education, and according to my family there, it is getting more and more oppressive there. If Hololive were to return to China, it'd be the same as walking on broken glass, since one mistake would redo history, and I mean mistake as "Anything the chinese government wouldn't approve." I brought up my thoughts with the parts of my family and friends who like hololive, and they said unless Hololive pushed government agenda's and actively took part in propaganda, they wouldn't be allowed much leeway in the community, and the community would be full of bombs that could go off at any time. The chinese fanbase is huge yes, but with something as public and direct as streaming, you can't exactly control what comes and goes through the virtual pipeline. The loyal fans would come through, alone with new ones, but so would the old anti's who would look for any reason to shove out Hololive again.

We should stand against all Censorship!

So many members suffered because CCP and wumao, Sooo many collaboration was axed and made to never happened, many Stream Opportunities was never Happened because of them, and you people need to remember NENECHI was CRYING BECAUSE HER NAME WAS WIPED. Lots of other things happened that explaining it as "lost opportunities" And "lost company deals" Would never be enough.

I would not risk it. As you said yourself the Chinese market is one that is easy to piss off and hard to appease. Kind of like a toxic girlfriend. If Cover wants to go back to that environment again, then they should be willing to embrace another Taiwan incident.

6:06 Chinese wounds never heal, they keep peeling off the scab & flicking it to others. Even if the rrat that Bilibili is bowing to Yagoo because of their surge in popularity, it's never worth the risk to go back to the market that literally censored you because they hate you. If these chinese "fans" really like Hololive, then they will go to where Hololive host their events, not wait for them to come back to their rotten platform Forgive my passionate rant here, but I actually look closely on the geopolitical side when it comes to China, & it's never looking good.

It’s kinda like going back to your problematic girlfriend/ boyfriend. Did she/he changed? No. Did she/he felt sorry and apologized? No. Then why would you go back to him/ her? Those companies that bandwagoned with the bullying didn’t even apologized I feel really sorry to those true fans but I’m sure they can watch Hololive through other forms of media

Even if there are massive requests and outcry for fans to hololive to return to china i don’t think the corporate Chinese side is gonna allow let alone welcome Cover back, all I’ve seen from Chinese owned companies is utter indifference to hatred towards cover, hololive and talents, I think this is a push from the manager of hololive channel to make some money on the side knowing that they might need it knowing china’s current geopolitical situation.

at this point hell no, Putting yourself in that market means you have to deal with them trying to pull BS like this again. Just cut um off and let them deal.

That's fucking crazy if they do go back to China.

I'm not quite sure whether Hololive returned to China will be run smoothly. After all disaster that happened in past, I'm actually afraid that one day might became big problem, especially caused by BiliBili.. and china haters again.. Let's just say China is kinda complicated country to facing, but I hope Hololive could handled those problem peacefully.

Personally, I think the best way to test this would be for Hololive to open a Taiwan branch. Hololive TW. See how that affects their presence on Bilibili. My guess is, it would be amazing, and I would absolutely LOVE to see it happen, even though I know it never will. ;)

imo they should prioritize the well being of Cover Corp's talents than stepping on a landmine which I'm certain most Hololive's talents haven't recovered from the situation including Haachama.

There needs to be a level headed response from both communities to this, not that it really matters what we think to begin with but still. Ultimately it just needs to be whats best for Hololive, I presume all the necessary lessons have been learned for this to proceed so I personally will reserve judgement and see how things pan out anyway. 🤷

I don't want them to go back to China because I don't want the same drama to happen again

Oh shit hear we go again

Cover better have some strong countermeasures for harrassment prepared, we will not lose another smile.

CCP never forgets what they hate and don't like and extremely unforgiving about it. It's like your ex is still keying your car after you moved away from her

I think we need to understand that the drama isn't REALLY caused by the antis. Antis are just random people on the internet; they have no leverage, no power. The real antagonist of the story is actually Bilbili. Frankly, if Bilibili wants to stop the antis, they easily can - they own the entire platform, not the antis. Not only did Bilibili not do that, they seemingly used the situation to their advantage to essentially cancel their entire agreement with Hololive. This also resulted in the graduation of all the HoloCN talents. If you feel strongly about the situation, you should be boycotting Bilibili

I don't think China is ready for Hololive to return to them. Sure, there's a portion of fans there who are indifferent to the drama and just want the entertainment, but based on the mental, financial, and some could argue "physical" blows Hololive suffered, and how China in itself is still struggling internally due to it's poor code of ethics and morals, it's unlikely they'll accept Hololive back at all.

we, as consumers have no say if Cover decides to return to the chinese market or not. I just believe that would be a very stupid and self harming idea. If another beloved talent ends up being being harassed because of that decision, I personally would drop all Hololive and any other Cover project completely. I may love the talents and enjoy their content, but if the main company acts that way I prefer to go my own way instead of investing my time and money on people the main company doesn't actually even care.

During the whole coco debacle, I was in the fucking trenches fighting with antis. At this point, I do regret that (kson had my account auto blocked on Twitter 😢), and I thought that I had learned better. After hearing what he said originally about the harassment after the saga ended, my blood boiled like it was October 2020 all over again. I do feel bad for the chinese fans that aren't brainwashed drones to their state, but I would lose what little respect I had for cover if they were to just move back in like nothing happened. I say this as a fan though, I know there are greedy people at the top trying to ruin shit like they always do, but I hope it never comes to that.

working with china adds a mine field to the already loop jumping issue's of permissions they go through, in fact working in any highly censored country is more work then its worth,

Why go back when you can survive without them

Back then when Cover pull out from CN all those antis says Holo will die without them And now Holo has proven that they thriving without single yuan or any CN games their EN branch is succesfull and ID market is dominating by Holo and now they seems try to expand to sea market via concert tour viv:ID I do feel bad to CN fans who keep supporting holo but sorry I hope yagoo doesn't come back to CN

Better steer away from CN. Sure its a large market but losing another talent just because of them isnt worth it. Heck im still bitter about it and still boycotting any CN novels or any CN mangas.

I'd only support it if they opened a HololiveTaiwan branch.

As a holo fan living in Hong Kong even though I always wanted there to be more Hololive content here . I still hope Cover won’t go back to the Chinese market.sure there still people there who really love Hololive , but the bilibili users in China are hard to please and if you say anything wrong , there’ll definitely be another Taiwan drama. 😢One of the main reason Hololive is so much more successful after they left bilibili is bc they are no longer in such a hostile platform.

I think the most concerning thing would be: How long until it happens again...? The reality is, streamers aren't a perfectly regulated hive mind. When content is being broadcast live, you don't have the safety net of being able to cut potentially problematic content out in post. So what views need instead, is leniency to forgive such mistakes... that was the problem initially, and if they _were_ to attempt to re-enter the Chinese market, there's nothing to prevent it being a problem again... There's also the feelings of the members to consider, who are likely familiar with the event, and may be worried they would be the next to be caught out by one of these mistakes, and may have to graduate to escape it, or worse, see their contracts terminated... considering the effects of the previous campaign on them, I feel like we might see Fubuki and Haccama graduate almost immediately, were such an expansion announced, before even considering other talents who might join them, out of protest, or fear for their health... you'd likely even see protests from fans, concerned for their oshis... I think Cover would have to basically entirely jump ship on their existing business model, and refocus entirely around China to make re-entering the market work, as doing so could potentially cause their existing business model to collapse, which is a massive risk, for an expansion into China which isn't even guaranteed to succeed...

No, just no. Why should they? Hololive is way way way way much more massive now compared to then. If they want to watch Hololive content but can't that's their problem. If they are planning to get back into that hell hole Hololive is just being greedy again. Hololive got the best studio and equipment now is because they went worldwide instead. The Chinese Vtuber market has always been volatile. If the Chinese market was that lucrative Nijisanji would have been the one that dominated the vtuber scene, not Hololive.

Just don't comeback to China, that's it. One way or another, one of the talents might slip up and its Coco incident all over again. If Cover chose to ignore the advice of their loyal fans who stuck with them when the Chinese fans started to talk bad about their talent, its all their fault.

Not even worth it going back into that even after what they pulled on coco and i will never forget nor forgive them for coco

In my honest opinion, going back to China would be one of the worse mistake they could do. THat market has been proven way too volatile to even be worth taking the risk. They should, instead, try to build a French market. France has always been one of the biggest market in the world when it came to manga and animes, that market could prove to be extremely lucrative for them. But I might be biaised since French is my first language and most of my friends do not understand English and can't appreciate Hololive, but I am trying to be as objective as I canwith the informations I have.. There are very few French translator because, truth be told, French aren't really interested in learning English for the most part which is why that market, at the moment, isn't as booming as it could. So trying maybe one gen in that market could be a good idea to test the water.

Assuming Hololive testing the water, the business opportunity will be limited. Unless Bilibili lead the way, it is near impossible for them to get any partnership, or doing any activities in Taiwan, which Cover just had one in August. In their IR Q&A, someone asked the question and I believe China is not their current priority. China is not loosing up their internet space anytime soon, it is a big business risks to piss off Taiwan fans, some western fans, just to return to a market they probably can't sell concert or sponsorship.

The shareholder who asked the china question really didn't research his investment like at all.

water under the bridge?? hell no! After they bully and ban Hololive talent here and there we just gonna accept them? I don't care if it's business or whatever if they didn't acknowledge their wrongdoing then we sure are going to gatekeep the community.

If Cover would like to "walk on eggshells" on both ends, I'd had to say "Good luck" And looking at how well they're doing with the new studio, why risk being greedy when there's already an example(s)?

I think Hololive will never officially return to China (or at least until there would be a significant change inside China itself). However, I'd expect that the relationship will (and has been) change into a silent "OK sign". 1. Hololive contents (especially EN and maybe ID) will slowly be accepted in bilibili, but never officially and Hololive will have no way to monetize it. 2. Newer CN developed games will eventually be accessible to Hololive, especially since some publishers that are backed by CN companies has returned to back some Hololive projects and events anyway. 3. People often mistook the thought process of people in countries like China as a hivemind, while in fact a lot of decisions are made in individual level. Stuffs like Aqua still not shown in Kagura Mea's event officially is more likely the EO/mod still being apprehensive and don't want to risk sparkling an unnecessary conflict (even though the chance is already low). However once more and more unofficial contents brought to the sites and normalization is widely accepted, I think Hololive members eventually could appear as a third party participants like this Mea's case. That said, as mentioned stuffs like Official partnership or branch reopening is pretty much going to be impossible.

I would immediately say no for Cover Corp and Hololive to pursuing back to China

Well, they were the one who harass YAGOO and Coco. Hololive EN is a blessing.

They better not risk it. Remember one wrong move can repeat history itself.

I feel like even if Hololive comes back things will just repeat again.

Establish HoloTW/HK as a FU to China. Returning to China would be too stressful for the members.

5:05 China's desperately grasping on Aqua as their "rally" 🤣

While the Chinese market is huge, and there truly are many genuinely nice people in China, the fact of the matter is that their government is to much of a risk. Cover has shown that they're willing to forego short term profit in order to invest in their talents. This shows that they're not looking to maximize profit above everything else. If they were, I suspect they'd make another attempt to enter the market. But while they do try to be careful, and they've always tried to stay away from politics in general, I feel like they care too much about their talents' freedoms to allow a government as arbitrary and demanding as the Chinese to dictate the terms of what their talents can or cannot say.

Regardless of my opinion towards if it's ok to come back to China, (which I HEAVILY disagree going back to that market for multiple reasons), it would be the objectively correct option to stay out of that market. The talents have received extreme targeted harassment from the Chinese audience. Not only would that spark again, the mental health of the targeted members would worsen, and the relationship with the EN audience would sour. While it sucks for the Chinese audience, Cover made the right decision to pull out. If the EN audience was doing the same stuff to the Hololive talents, I would agree with them pulling out of the EN market as well. One of the reasons I am so invested in Hololive is because they are not in ties with CCP.

I hope Cover took that as an honest sign to just focus on what great thing they have going on at the moment. No matter how you look at it, they lost a very influental talent because of trying to get in the CN market. It wasn't even particularly their fault, just bad luck. But from that one experience I doubt they'll try anything with China again.

Cover Corp may have benefited greatly from the Chinese market *initially,* but now they are more than financially well-off without them. Cover was very lucky to break away from the Chinese market with only the loss of Kaichou, 2 years of harassment, and the disbandment of the CN branch (could’ve been a lot more worse). It would be both a very idiotic and poor business decision to return to them after all that has happened. Please be smart Cover, look at how much of a sock puppet Nijisanji has become after becoming so ingrained into the Chinese market… I feel for the genuine CN HoloFans but this is for the greater good of Hololive’s longevity and success.

5:33 : IMO, business wise, its not a best choice, especially rn.. You know that rn Hololive doing bigger project in Taipei, you can say, they are giving directly what Taiwan fans wants. By going back to CN, let say *professionally* , we dont know what their demand to cover, for the Taiwan fans. Also, it still gonna be a *TIME BOMB* that tickling and waiting to explode. The problem in CN is the *MINDSET* of the people there. Only time will tell when Coco 2.0 gonna happen if Hololive ever comeback there. Also, if you really a fans that live in CN, you really dont need to worried about stuff. You still can watch them or buy their merch. The only downside, they can't have direct Hololive event there. But hey, people around the world went to JP just for the EXPO, you also can do that if you want. Like my friend who working and live in CN. 6:41 : I mean sure. Do what they always want to the Cover/Hololive. *APOLOGIZE* and admit what your're doing 3 years ago. Thats what they want right for the Coco incident? Now asking them back, not gonna be a hard time right? Right? I mean, Cover did ended up *APOLOGIZE* and Yagoo even went to *Cutting his salary* for that damage.

Considering China's declining economic, freedom, reputational and geopolitical outlook this sounds like a good investment. 🙃 It behooves me that Hololive would want to remain unknown to the mainland Chinese public so their talents won't get harassed simply for being a specific nationality working for a Japanese company when our geopolitical powder keg blows.

I think billi billi is just being underhanded at this point and letting an ultimatum stand. Cover can continue to let these unregulated videos exist without their oversight, or they can call for take downs and disappoint their Chinese audience. Either way I think the grudge will still stand and companies will continue blocking Cover from playing their games.

Ultimately, before going back to China, I feel like Cover needs to see if their talents even want to stream or have content on Bilibili. Given their China branch was completely disbanded, i can only see content coming from jp, id, or en. Would en upload to bilibili when they already have enough to deal with? Would jp go back to a toxic fanbase? Hard to say really. I am a bit curious about the India market, but idk much.

Knowing they've been building massive community on the West and SEA that mostly against ccp, comin back to bilibili is asking for a disaster 💀

People won’t change, I still haven’t forgive them for what they did, and I don’t want to see cover going back to them

If Hololive goes back to China there will be consequences. I can see Fubuki leaving Hololive and then many more will follow her if this happens (Fubuki said she would leave Hololive if it became a black company or if she was going to be forced to apologize for something even though she did nothing wrong).

What's also worrying is the potential in fighting between the fanbase in the future if there's a reconnection. If anything sparks up between CN and EN fanbases it'll get messy fast

zero censorship contract.

Hell no, Yagoo should stay away from Bilibili, they are trouble to the extreme, nothing good comes from them, they've caused too much suffering to Vtubers from Hololive, Nijisanji, and several others that are even less known, also they fully support Wactor, an agency that can't even keep talent long; because their policies have led to several attempted suicides of their talents. Not to mention, I've turned down multiple anime from them, I refuse to watch anime from a company that nearly caused Haachama to graduate. I don't want a cent of my membership money going to that company, leave it unpersoned like it should be.

Rule number 35 of the internet: if the title of a video is a yes or no question. The answer is no.

Some other things to note: 1. even if they manage to patch it up over on the Chinese market side and all the harassers acknowledge the misinformation, then Cover would lose out on our market as it’d probably lead to a media shitstorm in the US the same way we meme about John Xina and lead to the same problem in reverse. 2. Cover should try to exhaust other options first for rapid growth before going to the high risk high reward scenario. A Spanish branch could drive rapid growth for a time, though nowhere near as lucrative.

so i used to be a bilibili uploader for almost a decade(i was harassed for some political issue as well so i deleted the account), their review system is very inconsistent, you can talk shit on bilibili and won't be removed (sometimes even boosted) , but some minor stuff just will be removed. bilibili itself now has a very chaotic vtuber environment, hololive's overall quality is still better than majority of their own vtubers i think so it can bring up their viewers engagement business wise a good thing for the site

Well making a mistake is one thing, repeating it is dumb, they should never set foot there ever... it won't be long until the antis find another excuse to cancel it and make another talent quit.

I don't think cover would return to China, when they just recently did a lot of events on Taiwan. That bridge is long gone.

They started uploading in BiliBili..now wait for the CN games to appear lol

5:15 My guess: Bilibili don't want corporations like Vtuber agencies (or even very successful indies) to profit from Hololive content (because that would encourage them), but they don't really care about clips from individuals because there's no direct benefit for those who collaborate with Hololive.

There are real fans in the CN fanbase and I want them to get official content too. If holo wants to upload again on bilibili, it is their choice as a company. It can also be more profit. But I dont know if that's worth opening up possibilities of harassment and botting again. I still see it happen sometimes in chat, Nonsensical english that was obviously translated to get a reaction from the tallent.

in business way it may be good to go to china + as you sais there's still hololive member there. just hope that they didnt rely too much on the chinese market + i wonder if its actually good for the member since i read somewhere before that all streamer need to give personal detail of themselves if they were to livestream/monetize in china

The Chinese market as a whole is getting more and more volatile these days. There's a reason major companies are moving their production facilities out of China and into places like India and Vietnam. Chinese society is going through some upheaval right now so it's far better to wait until the dust settles before making some moves in the Chinese market.

I'm all for extending to other markets and getting well meaning fans back in. Truly feel for those who want nothing to do with this mess and find it hard to interact with the talents and content they love because of it. That being said, the Chinese demographic is split beyond belief and a large portion of it has proven to be incredibly toxic. We've seen how they react over small shit, who knows what they'd do over anything else. For that reason alone, I'd highly caution Cover from going back in. Last time they did, they lost one of their biggest talents and a lot more of them were harassed for months. All over saying a fucking name; inexcusable. They've found so much success without them. Getting an extra few coin with the equivalent of a time bomb attached isn't fair to the talents.

I don't remember any of those CN who don't give af on the matter make a stand, defend or play opposition to the hate campaign. No significant attention i could recall off. The worst thing you can do is do nothing. They might as well be accomplices.

One of the reason I got into hololive was Coco, She was a JP member that I could understand because she speaks english. I really want to get into the JP sides of holo without needing to watch translated crumbs on yt and Coco was it. Then the drama started and I was like "wtf", I do not care what their circumstances are. The haters managed to paint the whole chinese holo fanbase in my brain that way, and from that point on whenever someone talks abt chinese holo fans. My brain immediately went to that tragedy again and I simply can not forgive them. IF cover ever decides to go back there, at the very least. Ask their talents, protect them, because I genuinely like every single hologirls. If my oshi went there and got harassed, Im calling the keyboard warrior gods cause thats all I can do :/

I'm a Taiwanese hololive fan who used to watch a lot of clips on bilibili back in 2019-2020, from my understanding of the Chinese "Censorship culture", my explanation is that bilibili and Cover corp. maybe planning to do a "partial return" to sell goods in China, yet due to the public hatred toward Japan and hololive being one of the blacklisted company, they have to be extremely careful and cause as little attention to the authority as possile. bilibili is losing a lot of money recent years (275 million USD net lost in 2022), I guess they're trying to regain trust from Cover corp. so they can be the official importer of hololive goods in China. As for other Japanese vtuber that still active on bilibili, they would want to stay away from this as much as they can, since the Chinese antis still has government power and the general public on their side, any connection with hololive now could easily get themselve canceled. If Cover is really making a partial return, we'll likely to see more videos uploaded to the hololive official channel and some edited clips on other holomem's old channel. If nothing bad happens, they'll start doing bilibili-only streams later. Eventually, pop-up shops and collab cafes in Hong Kong or Macao(sponsored by bilibili of course). Some say there'll be a new gen of holoCN but I find it very unlikely as Yagoo himself admitted that Chinese market is too difficult to work with and the company is not planning to do a officially return yet. These are just my theory as there're no official statement for now, sorry for my bad english.

Thanx for the upload, good luck with collage. While I also feel bad for the chinese fans, I honestly dont think that Hololive comming back to China would be a good idea. The offer does indeed seem tempting but, even if the true fans outnumber the antis and the haters, by returning an Bilibili they would have more room for manoeuvre to attack, and the Hololive talents would have to bend the knee to any rule imposed on them. This would increase the stress and mental exhaustion of the talents, because every time they start streaming on this platform they will have to expect constant spam, attacks from hackers, and since Cover cares about its talents, so until there are concrete legal regulations to protect them and give them the possibility to defend themselves effectively, I do not see how Hololive can return to the Chinese market.

It has been 3 years and I think things has since cooled down there and I believe that there are still genuine Hololive fans in mainland China. I also believe that there are ways to "reconcile" with them, but the big question is: was it worth it? Also, you mentioned "water under the bridge", yeah that's only when both parties agreed that it is indeed, "water under the bridge". While Cover MAY think so, do the previous antis think so?

I would guess official channels do it to avoid problems usually corpos just abide by the rules, maybe hololive was fine before and nobody just dared to try

Pero lo otro que me genera dudas: Por que Hololive no crea la division en español? Es otro mercado desaprovechado por parte de Hololive. o existen otros motivos por el cual no lo hacen?

If you were there to see the harassment of the talent, during that time, you know, the volatility present in that demographic. Something that should have been a non-issue, blew up into a full on harassment campaign. I was excited and sad to see HoloCN go, but when the dust was settled, it was clear that enough people from that demographic were not mature enough to be marketed towards. Too much risk, and honestly HoloCN likely wouldn't have seen anywhere near the success that HoloEN and future gens of JP experienced. It just wasn't a good business strategy for a company so firmly planted on youtube.

4:20 that one is hilarious, the amount they mention that was paid to Hololive was 1 million USD, that is nowhere near enough for Hololive to consider going back.

aged well

I thought this dude was going away to uni. Ig he survived. Nice

The harassment towards the talents was real tho I absolutely do not want them to go back unless they apologize first

Personally, I hope they do, but Hololive should not compromise at all to their demands. If they have to "behave" certain ways to return then I would rather them not do so at all. Honestly I just want their relationship with China to be back to neutral, so they are able to stream games from there.

Yesterday I listened calli's song while watching bilibili art livestream lol

I’d say they should steer clear of China. The views/money that the EN audience brings in more than makes up for the loss in China, plus cover has other countries they can expand into that won’t be anywhere near as volatile. The Spanish speaking market would be huge, and you also have India. And while Japan and South Korea don’t have the best relations, I think it’s another country than can expand into as well that can bring in some good revenue

No they are not going back to West Taiwan again

Even if they wanted to cater to the Chinese market again, they'd be at a huge disadvantage against Nijisanji, who have Luxiem and have been playing by every rule in their book for a very long time now, and been left completely uncontested there. As unfortunate as it is for their leftover fanbase, it's just not worth the hassle and the risk for all the girls, even the ones that want to stay clear off BiliBili.

Why out of blue bring back this kind topic? Is it because the announcement of new project DEV_IS? I even didn't see some event that lead to opening this topic, or maybe from Kaela and Kobo that kinda active using mandarin?

If Cover-corp went back to China then it would just be a matter of time before the next big controversy happens and the demands for apologies and sackings start up again and I don't see the talents accepting that after years long campaigns against their members. It could cost them a lot more talent trying to chase and appease that market than it would just ignoring the loss. As international politics start heating what happens when the EN branch is targeted because of some international political event they have no part in?

Personally, I think Cover cutting of the Chinese market was the correct decision in the long-term, because trying to cater to it always means trying to cater to the CCP. Even if the prospective money is good, there's always the risk of the same shitshow happening again; it's just not worth the effort.

YEAH! Cover knows they will be SCREW if they cave in just like that. For that to happen, BilliBilli MUST write a giant apology to Cover, most of the Chinese market who wrong them, and will be under their terms instead this time, and heck! i would throw only in Taiwan just to be petty (even if they already did it). But knowing BilliBilli's record of awful management (The stuff with Kyouka and the force apologize of Bin Tan, even if was Kyouka's fault), and Chinese netizens and trolls would prefer to s*icide bomb anything they hate, and doesn't count the CCP still doing scumbag activities as well. And they breed entitled people by the millions with their indoctrinations. It will depends, but i would suggest not to, because they know is different pissing unicorns than pissing off the real fanbase. Plus in the past they need the CN money .... now they are popular almost globally, will be like a pocket change, mainly since they don't had to abide to anything in terms of restrictions too. Also i read some companies actually want to make business with Cover because there is a lot of money and potential audience they had slip through their fingers due this, but they are stop on track thanks to what i mentioned before. I think the only way for them to do it, is to literally overthrown an entire government for that. For me is either, look if there is movement (But i don't believe it).... or someone is uploading it without permission too, and knowing BiliBilli and China's track record of scumbag activities and entitlement, I'm inclinate is the later .

Seems like hololive trying to get close with CN market with HoloID, idk it's just feels that way because some of ID members can speak mandarin, playing games from CN publishers, and even posting genshin content in their twitter

So, mainland Taiwan is leching content on Official chanel now.... What next, full vod reupload?

Remember what they took from you