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You think a high cfm bathroom exhaust would work in a 10x10 room?

@@SmokeNGunsBBQ Yes. You want a minimum of 6 air changes per hour (ACPH), but I recommend 20 ACPH. Assuming your ceiling height is 9 feet, this is our equation: (60*CFM) / (10’x10’x9’) = ACPH 300 CFM will get you 20 ACPH. Should be very easy to find. For example, Home Depot sells a model called “Delta Breez 300 CFM. If you have any other questions lemme know.

@@SmokeNGunsBBQ I just posted my question, but I can tell you from experience... NOPE. I tried to use one on a 10x16 shed and just doesn't move the air... really at all. I think the cigar smoke is much heavier than the water vapor they are designed to effectively move.

@@elvdell5582 I've moved on to grow tent exhausts which are much cheaper.

​@@elvdell5582 I agree, it will not be sufficient. The reason is simply lack of air flow. I measured a bathroom fan and it moved 70 cfm. less than 10% of what you would need to remove enough smoke. Cigar smoke is somewhere between 7 and 12% more dense than dry air, which is more dense that moist air. Yes I know, it's counter intuitive.So you are correct, smoke is much heavier)higher density) than moist air.

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My first attempt was was a Vornado window fan, and for the reason you described it was not adequate. I’m sure you will figure out how to exhaust the fan through the wall.

Well done. I'm glad to hear it is working. The room itself will accumilate some cigar odors over time but as long as it is contained within the room, we don't get complaints.

You are so correct. I put something called Wiff Out and a little bit of sand in my large ashtrays so if I forget to empty them at night, I don’t really smell the ash in the morning just the perfume smell from the whiff out..

Thank you. Glad it helped. The silencer looks like a car muffler. It's just a tube with egg crate insulation around the inside circumference.

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Thank you! I am working on a video where I will depict a low cost method for converting a room to a cigar lounge. I am thinking of less than $500. Now that is only the cost of the ventilation system. For a small room it can be done in that price range, in most cases. Decor and furnishings would be an additional cost of course.

@@arwin10w Awesome! I'd love to check it out. Thanks for the information!

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The Infinity fan moves enough air to create negative pressure. There is a pass through vent above the door, as there is in every room in the house. This provides plenty of make up air so the room stays negative. It pulls air in from the hallway. When the fan is not running this vent acts as a return to the HVAC air handler. So in effect it reverses the airflow.

The music is from a generic music supply company that creates music and sells it to video production houses and television stations, etc. it would really be hard to make sure all the smoke went out that fan in the window. Mostly because smoke rises and a lot of it would not get captured by the window exhaust fan but it’s worth a try.

I considered the Wi-Fi option but in the end, elected to go with the push button control included with the fan. The major driver there was the proliferation of remote controls in my cigar lounge. I have one for the TV, one for the fireplace, and a light controller. Additionally I have two others I use when shooting video. Thank you for watching!

​@@arwin10w I was originally planning on doing my small office, but I've decided to turn my den area with a preexisting bar into the lounge. Going to install a 10" vent to move 1500 CFM 😅 But I can fit a pool table, chairs, couch and dining table in there.

I have a 3 ton two-stage heat pump that heats and cools my house. It is able to supply all the cool air I need. The exhaust fan pulls out air faster than the air conditioner can supply it thereby keeping the room at a negative pressure. Therefore no smoke leaves the room other than through the exhaust fan.

I was using an Ozone generator early on but a friend from the cleanup industry informed me that the ozone can degrade some common materials, namely rubber and other synthetics, which are found in carpet backing and in many furnishings. I confirmed this with some research. I have since found that I really don't need it.

I am pretty confident that you have it covered. I have found that with the amount of air you will be moving it should be able to create negative pressure as you describe. The only problem I can picture now is that the Purifans will create airflow patterns that may divert some smoke away from your ventilation fan vent. If so, you may find that you can run just one of the Purifans while you are smoking then turn it back on when you are done for an hour or so. Worst case you may have to not run any Purifan, while you are smoking but I doubt that will happen. It is hard to visualize airflow without doing some smoke testing. Two ways to do that. Tried and true is to just smoke a cigar and move around the room to see where the smoke wants to go. Ideally you could install the ventilation fan first and try it. that may help you determine the best locations for the Purifans. Alternatively, you can buy some smoke bombs an Amazon and elsewhere. They produces smoke for, typically, three minutes. You can shoot video of it to have as a reference in designing your airflow. either way my feeling is that it will be easier than you expect. Good Luck! and let me know how it turns out.

@@arwin10w what an excellent response and I really appreciate you taking the time to go into that detail. Keep the videos coming, I like your style. Thank you again

The filtering ceiling fan is really not required but it does speed up the smoke removal a little. I think in most cases only an exhaust fan is needed. in my case I installed the ceiling fan air purifier first and felt it was not quite enough so I added the exhause fan. I only run the exhaust fand whenI am smoking. When I am done I turn that down to a low setting and turn on the purifier for the night. I and 18 months in without changing filters yet.The filters are $65-85.

Yes you can!. It took care of 90% or more of the smoke in my room but not all of the smoke found its way to the Purifan in my case. I would try it first and if it is not efficient enough it is not very expensive to add an exhaust fan.

Everything is working very well. I have had no problems. I chose wood for the walls and ceilings for esthetic effect. I wanted an old English pub or library vibe and the dark wood tones really accomplished that. Sheetrock is harder to clean so an I also felt the wood was easier to keep clean. However, since the ventilation is working, so well, I get very little residue on the ceiling. Only a little bit around the exhaust vent. I have helped a few people set up their smoking rooms in their houses and they have sheet rock there seems to be no problems. Thanks for the comments. Good luck!

In my case it is much less complicated. The exhaust fan creates negative pressure by a significant margin. I am exhausting 900 cfm. When the air handler kicks on suppling cool or warm air it is only moving 70 cfm. Hardly noticeable. The open plenum above the doors and the space under the door allow enough makeup air in when the fan is running so that is never a problem. No smoke ever leaves the room other than through the exhaust fan. Many people have asked about makeup air but it has never been an issue. By the way; makeup air requirements are often imposed by building codes for a variety os reasons, not all of them are necessary in the type of space we are talking about. I live in a very warm location and my HVAC system can handle this all without fail. I will say that is an important consideration though. If your existing system is marginal you may see a deficit in heating and cooling. Thank you for your comment.

If you can maintain appropriate temperatures for your cigars, 65 - 75 degrees F. most of the time as well as maintaining the proper humidity for them, then I see no problem. You may need to supply some kind of fresh air inlet, depending on how air tight your basement may be. You have to be able to maintain negative air pressure in the room, not only to contain smoke but to aid in removing it. I worked on many basement remodels growing up in the construction business Maine, which has a similar climate to yours. Supplying makeup air to help remove the cigarette smoke was a common issue there. The radiant heat in the floor is, IMHO, an ideal situation because it does not create any airflow patterns that may be counter productive. Good Luck! I like your thinking.

Yes, absolutely. I believe that oversizing is better than ending up with a system that doesn't get the job done. In your case you might be ok with a 6 inch fan moving 400 cfm. You need 500 CFM for perfection in your case, but 400 could be enough. But, doubling the air flow capacity pretty much doubles the price. So instead of ~$100 it would be ~$200 to get 800 CFM in an eight inch fan. Worth it in my opinion.

Thank you so much. I look forward to watching more of your video's.

I would not be able to smoke in that room, if the smoke left the room and could be detected anywhere else in the house. that has not been a problem. The ventilation system takes care of all of the smoke. In fact, if you walk into this room five minutes after I’ve smoked, you will not smell cigar smoke.

I’m a musician I can’t help myself. But you are not the only one who has has found it distracting. I will do better. Thank you.

It is a valid and often asked question. In the case of a smoking room in a house it is much easier to deal with because there is a large conditioned space, the house, to pull makeup air in from.In a shed your on'y option may be to provide a way for outside air to create the negative air space. It may be that you don't need as much makeup air as you think. I don't know if you have used your shed room yet and if so how are you getting access to outside air? It may be that you need less then you think. I do recognize that you are always going to need more Heating and cooling if you are exhausting room air, especially if you are adding outside air. But you really don't need 20x makeup air. You want lees that that so you are in fact exhausting all of the smoke. So part of my answer, respectfully , is that "yes, I would expect you will have added heating & cooling costs when you are exhausting that much air and replacing it with unconditioned air. I am pretty sure even in my house that I am spending a little more to keep that room comfortable. I would try a small opening to introduce outside air. Maybe something low like the space underneath a door or a small vent near the floor. This might help with the air flow pattern as well optimizing the smoke removal. I wish I didn't have to say this but, it may take a little trial and error to get it right. Although I believe it a scientific approach, doing a complete air flow analysis etc. would be costly and likely disappointing. So try a few different methods and watch the smoke exhaust as well as the impact on heating/cooling. Good luck and let me know how it works out.

@@arwin10w Heh heh. Yes I've used the shed for about 2 years now. Trial and error are exactly where I am at now. Believe it or not I just suck it up and spare the extra expense. The fan I have installed is not powerful enough to pull smoke from the room. So, I use a simple window fan. I have two windows. I crack one to let fresh air in, and I use the fan in reverse to suck air out in the wintertime. The heating unit just runs, and it keeps up. If the room gets overpowered with smoke, which it does at times, I open a door, and in 2 minutes no more smoke. In the summertime it is much the same, but I use a window AC unit to cool it. No perfect solutions here but hey, it is just a finished shed. No one out here but me, and I can smoke in peace and relative comfort (doing so as I type up this response) ... It's nicely finished, and it gets the job done. Ultimately, I want to install a through the wall ventilation fan with more power near the ceiling. That with a vent with a baffle for intake air near the floor, and I think I will call it done. Thanks for replying.

I have a 3 ton two-stage heat pump that handles heating and cooling for the whole house. it is able to keep the room comfortable at all times even with the exhaust fan running at full speed. No smoke ever leaves this room other than through the exhaust fan.

I actually didn’t seal the doors. In my case I wanted air to enter the room underneath the doors to help create the negative pressure within the room. Think of it like driving a car and opening the window on the passenger side. Certainly some air will escape. Now crack the window on the driver’s side a little bit. You will feel air flowing across your face. It’s the same idea with venting smoke. You to let some air come in to replace the air being exhausted by the fan. If you creat good cross ventilation you won’t need to seal anything, just let the fan create the airflow to exhaust all the smoke.

I would try running the exhaust fan at a lower speed as a first remedy. It sounds like you have a vacuum as opposed to slightly negative pressure in the room. In my case the entry to my room is from the hallway adjacent to my front door. The french doors leading to my room are not tight so I get plenty of makeup air from underneath the doors as well as from a vent above the doors. Your issue, as you stated, is that you are in a cold climate so you don't want outside makeup air because it will bring in too much cold air. If slowing the fan down is not adequate you may have to add some kind of adjustable vent ot the outside. It may be that you don't need to bring a large amount of air to solve the balance issue. And if you can place the makeup air vent far enough away from your sitting area, it may be acceptable. Or if you have a double hung widow try pulling the top down a little. Good luck and let me know how it works out.

It does not, since I’m in Texas. The only cold air comes in through the air conditioning vent.

I have a 3 ton, two stage heat pump that handles the HVAC in my house. Make up error supplied by an open vent on the transom above the double French doors. Additionally, air can enter under the door. I believe it would be a mistake to block the opportunity for air to come in around the door as I need to keep negative air pressure in that room. Many of these houses in Texas that have been built in recent years do not have return ductwork they simply use the whole house as a return air Plenum so all of the rooms have this open vent above the doors that just opens up into the hallways, etc. I previously had a 2 1/2 ton system in this house, and it was really challenged moving enough air into this room since I had to replace the system when it failed I elected to go with a slightly larger system and it solved that problem. Thank you for your interest.

Great question and yes it would. In fact, the particular in-line that are used is marketed to the hydroponic marijuana growing industry.

It is supplied through an open vent above the French doors as well as underneath the doors. That is adequate to keep the negative pressure in the room.

The purpose of the window fan and later, the exhaust fan I installed in the attic, is to remove smoke(air) from the room. The fan sucks air out of the room and blows it outside removing any smoke that is in the air. The result is that the pressure in the room is lowered compared to the hallway outside the room. That is called negative pressure; when the pressure in the room is lower than an adjoining space. So when you open the door to the cigar room smoke does not flow outside in to the hallway but is flowing towards the exhaust fan instead. Thank you for your question.

@@arwin10w ahhh! I see, thank you very much. Excellent videos!

50 Db. Exhaust fan 63Db. TV 72 DB.

The AC system seems to be able to compensate. However this room has always been a few degrees hotter than the rest of the house. I’m installing a new heat pump this week since my existing system has failed. I will add a second supply line to the cigar room. That should fix the temperature differential plus bring in additional make-up air. However I don’t see that as a problem currently.

Actually, at this point, I am not compensating at all. On a hot day it’s about 3° warmer in that room even without the exhaust fan running on replacing my AC unit and I’m adding an extra supply line and that should equalize it with the rest of the house

No , it creates a “vacuum” so that no smoke escapes the room. If you pump air into the room you’d risk creating positive pressure in the room which would push smoke out in ways you wouldn’t want

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It does not. after a year of use, I opened them up and checked them for odor and solid, residual, smoke particles, etc. and found none

Yes I did.I eliminated the window fan immediately. The scrubber and in-line handle 100% of the smoke and residual odor. It is likely that you will not need to modify your HVAC system. I have found this is true in most cases. I will suggest that there may be a temperature differential between teh smoking room and the rest of the house once you start pulling that much air out. In my case it is 1-2 degrees after the exhaust fan has been running for 2 hours or more. So if it 71 in the rest of the house it may be 73 in my smoking room. I don't believe that is all due to the exhaust fan. I think that room has always varied from the rest of the house particularly in the very hot days we have here in Texas. So my guess is that you won't have to make any modifications to you heating/cooling system, and if you do, it may be as simple as balancing the air through vent adjustments. Good luck! Your father will enjoy it!

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I subscribe to an online service that provides background music for television videos, movies, etc. so I choose the music there that I feel as appropriate for the video or that I like.

Essentially, yes. That is a relatively low ceiling height but the math works the same. So you have 5100 cubic feet. That is a pretty big room so you will need more than 1 exhaust fan since you need to move a minimum of 1700 CFM. So two 8" fans should be enough, since mine moves 900 CFM. Is it possible that the room is not 850 SF? Is 20' by 42" or something?

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Yes that is probably the most common concern people have. Mine was asphalt shingles so it was easy. I think that operation took about 15 minutes. We just sealed it with roofing pitch and it has been leak free. You might find a handyman or small roofing contractor that would be willing to install the roof vent for you. Good luck!

It’s just a generic background bed from an online music service that I subscribe to.

@@arwin10w 🙏🏿 it's a nice track to smoke to

But the noise! It would make me angry.

Probably not. But I will wish you the best of luck!

Perfect. A 12" fan can move a serious amount of smoke!

I have been traveling but am catching up now. My apologies. Also I am overwhelmed with the response. Didn’t see that coming.

As long as you are moving enough air it could be enough. The issue I had was that smoke rises, so much of it was not exhausted through the window fan.

@WintersWay makes sense I have a rabbit air to help. I will keep watching. thank you for your content I enjoy the music and the room as you do your videos

It is possible.

I have a 8" hyperfan mounted on a sheet of plywood that I can insert into my window on my heated sun porch for the winter, when I'm done I just take the setup out and works great at exhausting the smoke.

Then who would wash the whiskey glasses and empty the ash trays?

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I know. oops. Unfortunately the in so way to edit it once it is posted. Thanks for point it out.

I diid for a few years but when it is over 100 degrees on my deck I don't enjoy it much.

@@arwin10w that's when it's a good excuse to go visit your local cigar lounge

I do at least twice a week. But I also like to watch a hockey or football game while enjoying a cigar so it is nice to have the in-home lounge.

You are correct on all points. Very well done. I will comment there is a lot of literature out there that addresses the potential for deteriorating certain materials through using an ozone generator materials such as rubber vinyl, etc. overtime will deteriorate when exposed to high levels ozone. Periodic short duration use may be OK for a period of time. However it should be monitored for any deterioration. Thank you!

@@arwin10w I'm very aware. My father invented some of the first ozone test instruments. I agree, if I can smell it, the level is usually too high.

@@lenzielenski3276 Very good point and one I had not known. "if I can smell it, the level is usually too high." Thank you for adding to the conversation.

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I do for maximum odor removal. You may only need to run the smoke eater after smoking to clean the air.

I think you can possibly get by with just an exhaust fan if, you are moving enough air. In my case the smoke eater scrubs the air in the room after I am done smoking. If I have company then I run both and it handles it completely.