I love it when someone as methodical as you comes out and says..."It's a bit shit" at the end of a project. 40 yrs in the game and I can't tell you how many guys I've come across that swear black and blue their project is the bees knees when everyone can see the emperor got new clothes. for what its worth I feel this is an awesome build for no other reason than it'll save your dad a manual handling injury at the very least . Thanks for sharing

As my father used to say, “If it was easy, then they would have let somebody else do it.” Cheers. Wish you well.

I liked your solution to hydraulic issue. Now the trouble will be getting the old man not to push the limits with this setup like we would all do.

As Walter Elliot said, “Perseverance is not a long race; it is many short races one after the other.” Well done (again), Matty mate!!👊

Hi Matty For your own and others' safety and for legal liability, I strongly suggest you fit a load holding valve to the cylinder hydraulics. (You may have one already but it is out of the picture). A commercial hydraulic company can help you out. Cheers

Absolutely love to hear Australian Technical Language. I know that many Overseas viewers will be Googling like crazy.

Don't apologise Matty; building that on the fly shows true mental agility & honest to goodness engineering ability, well done.

Projects that don't go to plan can be a real character test - and you aced it ! Cheers, Alan.

We would have stayed with you through 500 videos, Matty! Good build!

Aren’t we all our own worst enemies? I do the same, if it’s not perfect then l’m beating myself up about it. There’s nowt wrong with wanting perfection Matty. You do a great job and l bet your dad will be well chuffed with it.

I've been watching your videos since the Vee-Block build 3 years ago., so I feel certain that in the end this project, too, will be a success. Thanks much for sharing this.

Works great Matty, enjoyed the build. Tony

It's about the journey for me. I don't really care how many videos it takes. You do good work and that's all that matters👍thanks for showing us what you do. I know it's a pain putting videos out on top of the work.

I have to say, you do some great projects and equally so, some great machining and welding as well. Thumbs Up!

excellent build! and it is great to see how it evolved during the build.. it is all part of the fun...

You did a fantastic job building the crane thank you very much for what you do

That was a fun project to follow. Thanks for bringing us along!

It is hard to build things with no plans and just ideas in your head. You need to think of a lot of things, including future uses for the item, or attachments you may need to add. You have done well designing this crane and you have got to the finish line, so I'm sure you are happy. Great to see it operational Matty, you have done a good job.

Enjoyed…interesting and credit you for your work ethic and craftsmanship….

That's called "empirical design". It's how the great sailing ships were designed. Looks nice in Matty Blue.

Thanks for the video keep on keeping on.

Top build mate, she’s a ripper. I actually like the winch set up better. Dad will be happy to use it, saves a lot a mucking around. Another job off the list. 👍🇦🇺

Bloody impressive with how the build ended up. I for one would be happy with it if I'd have built it. Cheers

at least you finished the job,, a lot of us would''nt have cheers

Great build Matty. Even though the design changed part way through, it's still going to be a great tool. Nice work. 👍

Don’t give up yet Matty. Your builds are pretty inspirational to a LOT of us out there in Oz especially who aren’t engineers. I’m pretty certain that someone who’s a hydraulics expert could tell you what is needed to make the hydraulics work. The electric winch obviously works ok. Electric over hydraulic. I saw you deploy the hydraulic cylinder while the bike was hoisted up in the air, and it worked OK so maybe it’s just a little too heavy at full reach down near ground level? Maybe it’s just a stronger oil bypass valve needed to make the hydraulics cope a bit better? You see these Kevwreck 1 tonne cranes on utes and light trucks and they will lift a tonne or two, so it must be achievable. I second what someone else posted about a safety valve to stop it collapsing in the event of a hydraulic hose leak / burst scenario - to prevent accidental injury / death if you haven’t already got one in the system that we didn’t see? At a worst case scenario, could you not deploy that hydraulic cylinder under the trailer to activate and retrieve your stabiliser leg maybe? Also really like your “pig trailer” design with wheels at all 4 corners and the steering bogey axle up front. My lad & I were just discussing if it would be possible to get one licensed here in West Oz for on road use, and you obviously have in NSW ? - so it would seem likely that maybe we could? 🤷‍♂️ Have one of those Chinese made Coastmac 3.5 Tonne Hydralic tandem tipping trailers (10x5 foot), and always wished we could add a hydraulic crane on it for dragging short logs home to Alaskan mill at our leisure into big section lumber 8” x 8” Patio / Verandah posts and the like. I’d be a lot more inclined to have a crack at it, if the trailer was like yours with wheels at all 4 corners, than in a centralised tandem axel rocker arm set up in the middle. Do some research, get an engineers or hydraulics persons input, and have another crack at it with a version 2 at some point when you do work it out. Understand your frustration with it not working out exactly as you planned at first go, but Rome wasn’t built in a day, mate & your not making Omega watches. You’ll get there in the end & your inspiring a lot of people along the way, which is never a bad thing. Teddy said it best perhaps and a lot more eloquently than I ever could. It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. Theodore Roosevelt

Well done Matt.

The electric winch was a great solution and gives more total options for dragging stuff around on the ground or even stuff up on the tray. 👍 But I think it really needs a top bracket above the pulley to make sure the cable will never jump out of the pulley. That can really wreck your day! 😬

Good video Matty. Put that power pack on your press. I have been wanting to do that to mine. Cheers.

Difficult job, but you got it there in the end Matty 💪 . Lifting 500 kg is serious stuff, especially over that jib length, but cylinder looked about right, my 2 Tonne engine crane has a 8 Tonne jack cylinder (standard off the shelf crane). Another subscriber has mentioned fitting counterbalance valves to the cylinder, just an extra small bore pipe from each cylinder valve. Looked great lifting the quad, like a job in the town 👏. Fantastic work all round, thanks for sharing. Regards John

Don't so hard on yourself Matty. Bloody good job if you ask me. It was a big task, and I think you pulled it off well. I bet your dad will be wrapped. Cheers, Aaron.

Matty that’s great. Good job.

My only thought, my old man made many cranes. The base end should be mounted lower down. More like a 45’ angle. Push straight up more or less

G'day Matty , you got there in the end mate, and I bet your dad will be stoked with it. The hydraulics not being up to it ain't your fault, especially as the pump was not new if I remember. So don't put yourself down. As far as I'm concerned it's a bloody good build and fit for purpose. On the splayed foot I think I might have just gone belt and braces and put a gusset either side over the bar joint, but that's me! Cheers from the UK. Sam

Good job, even though it didn’t turn out as you expected

you had a crack mate youl fine tune her up , i enjoyed the build mate cheers.😀

Adding the winch gives so much more versatility. The only thing I’d definitely engineer is a retainer of some sort to keep that cable in the roller. It’d be way too easy to not notice the cable dislocated from the cable groove and since that’s the entire weight bearing point, it’d be catastrophic if the cable walked off the roller with a heavy load on it. Just bolt a guide atop the end of the extension near the roller like a slot bracket and bam, Bob’s your uncle. Cheers.

Nice job 👍👍👍 even though sometimes it doesn't work as planned keep moving forward and come up with plan B and make it work with what you got 👍

Even though you’re not happy with the outcome, we sure have enjoyed the build process.

Congrates on the finish. Matty,I'm proud the way ya handled the issue in the fly and although it may have not met expectations it surely is better in the long run. Good on ya mate. Thankyou for sharing all the videos and we look forward for more in the future. Oh , you mentioned it was hot as heck there in that day, we'll as I write this comment we're getting hit with snow here in Oregon in the Willamette valley Go figure huh!?? Thnx again Matty ❤️👍🙏

Hi Matty, Been a great series to watch. Hydraulic setups aren't always easy to get right. Looks good on paper but in the real world can be a pain to get the system setup right...so many variables. Cheers Kevin

No apologies Matty! We are learning from your mistakes! One of us is going to have an easier time of it when we decide to build something similar one day. Thanks for sharing 🇨🇦

Nothing wrong with change of plans. It's just part of the building process. What counts is the end result. BTW, I think I would add a brace over the pully to prevent the cable from coming out. You mentioned it in the video, but still...

Will worth the waiting to see it now out of the way and you can move on with other project's. Like my Arbor Press / Wood splitter, it to is our of my hair, and Spring is just around the corner here 😎, but our Midwest and upper states are getting hammered. Have a great week end, cheers from TX.

Matty that’s a fine piece of kit! You’re bein too damn hard on yourself. Great work mate!

Hi Matty. I came to same conclusion as you. Larger bore fluid wise or slower pump delivery. I had similar problems years ago building a bike lift ramp in the garage. I used a 2nd hand ram from a Massey tractor. It was a small bore & was trying to lift too fast. I got a larger diameter one & it worked a treat. That was using a pump from a Ford Transit tipper truck. Fantastic result though. I was watching the truck bed while you were at other side lifting & there was no lift at all. Don't forget to put a label on the side saying Built by Matty's Workshop , with your phone No below it. Orders will be flying in. Haha. Regards. Steve.

That’s a great build i see it work

Bro, your final design function is correct. These types of cranes are not typically used to raise and lower the boom when loaded. Slew to position, set the boom angle and extension based on the load, and then winch the load up and down. Money on the execution steps. Just make a load chart to protect that huge moment being generated at the base. Five stars for the seat of the pants design.

Nicely done

Well done mate

Great vid. Matty. Thx.

Your first leg was right only I would have made it with a three point link top adjustable. This will give adjustability on uneven ground. The firm I worked for in the seventies had a 30 cwt flatbed with a crane just like your build and it had the adjustable leg under it.

Very nice work. The winch addition is a great idea.

It's all a learning curve with that sort of thing ! 👍

It is beautiful. That's a sweet trailer too.

Well you didn't let it defeat you and got it figured out. Good to see that it's going to do the job for you. Some things just go that way but the important thing is you stuck with it and did a fine good job. Thanks for the videos.

Really like your crane Matty. I was think about building a similar size crane but make it attachable to the stake pockets on my trailers so I could swap it around.....but ideas are easy making them into reality is the difficult part.

Bravo great job

Just because it'll struggle with the big mower out doesn't meant it won't save his back lifting everything else. Like a pack of posts. Great build, thanks for sharing it with us.

I think it looks great mate. Yeah maybe a bit of a pain getting there but No pain No gain.

Just my two cents worth, I might be inclined to leave the hydraulic ram in place it makes raising and lowering the arm a breeze, depending on the weight of the arm with winch it might be quite the struggle to get the arm lifted into the loading unloading position especially as we age a bit.

I believe that if you shorten the crane arm, it should be able to handle the weight, but that's if a shorter arm would work, but it would be an easy try, put a strap over the arm 3/4 the way up it and see if she'll handle the weight. Soo you'll be able to see my disasters as well, I'm going to film some projects too. Chers mate.

Excellent build Matty, came out great, great video, keep'um coming..

eyup Matty Things don't always go to the original Plan, but a great effective 2nd choice, shame about the Ram atb Kev

Enjoyed the build series Matty, You can always go back to the hydraulics when the right parts come along. The winch is a good idea either case, gives you options. You did a fantastic job well done! ATB....Cheers

Another good one mate cheers fella

G'day Matty, you certainly got a few drama's along the way with this one mate lol, I reckon you did a cracking job buddy, got there in the end and it turned out beaut 😉 happy days

Hey, if it works, it works. Might not have been the original plan, but ultimately if it performs the function intended, it's perfect. We all experience that on some scale, you're definitely not alone there. Your fabrication skills are top notch, so pivoting to a different direction is no problem. Well done!

As handy as a pocket on a shirt. Well done.

Nice job Matty - you might want to consider how you will get the brace out if you load up the tray enough to sag it down on the suspension... I got caught that way with the setup on my trailer :) my trailer is a lot lighter than yours so it might not be a problem for you. luckily I had the high lift jack handy :)

Job well done Matty. What you have done is basically prototyped your crane, it has evolved as you have gone along. I think you have done very well considering your limited engineering skills, I have seen graduate engineers who couldn’t get this far. I would take this outcome as a win. Just remember out of squareness brings perfection you know what I mean 😂

Looking good. I like the addition of the winch. On the stabilizing leg, because it is fixed in length, when you get a load put on the trailer, you may not be able to remove it. A trailer jack that you can raise and lower may be an upgrade to elevate that issue. Thanks for sharing Matty. Take care.

Thanks for sharing all the videos on this build. You might not be happy with it but Dad will like the back saving for him. If we don't learn from our mistakes then we are bound to repeat them. Personally I would be happy to have it as is. My choice.

Options are: change geometry - i.e. straighten the dog leg and raise the rear pivot . This would require a longer ram to get he same height range. Or. Larger diameter ram to get a stronger push for the pump pressure.

Well done Matty, it looks great and you now have the versatility to move from mechanical to hydraulic when it suits you.Great craftsmanship and nice finishing as well. Cheers!

It is always a challenge designing and building at the same time. I only had one semester of hydraulics in college and barely passed the class, so I can't offer much help in that regard.

G'day Matty sorry to hear it didn't work out to what you expected. Cheers Peter

hey matty,,very good video

G'day Matty great video mate

Always enjoyable your vids. Thank you for including both your successes and failures. It helps us in KZfaq land avoid some pitfalls. For the ram and power pack, do you need an adjustable work bench/scissor lifter? Maybe a lift table to work on the 4 wheeler? Anyhow, whatever you decide, I'm sure it'll be interesting!

Hi Matty , thought I would put my 2 cents in though late watching your video. What I have done with cylinders to slow them down is to put a metal piece in like a washer in the return line somewhere. You can even have it right at the cylinder if you are worried about a hose breaking. Then drill a small hole in the metal piece and try it out. Just a matter of getting the hole drilled to proper size that you are happy with. It will probably take you a few tries to get it right but never seems to give trouble and the cost is sure right. You just have to have the diameter the right size to fit one of your fittings so the restricting washer can't go anywhere and held in place by the fitting. All the best. Dale in Canada 🇨🇦

Matt, I'd add a clip/strap/hat over the end pulley to be sure the rope doesn't jump out for any reason. BTW, that's a very good likeness of you standing in the back yard. Did you actually have to pose for it? 😄😁😆

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Hey Matty if I had to guess your pump is rated for more flow than your motor can keep up with at the pressure you want ( I’m just guessing based on how fast that cylinder was actuating) I’ve found that unless you have a lot of HP lower flow on the pump works better it just moves slower, I’ve seen hydraulic power units that run on only 110v but still produce a ridiculous amount of pressure but the trade off is the pump is only moving .3 GPM…..i built that hydraulic power unit awhile back and was a real pita there’s a bunch of math involved and it about drove me crazy, the concept of hydraulics is simple but getting tuned just right is more difficult. Something you could do is look up what size pump those big dump trailers have that seems like a similar size you would need Great project

Matty my guess is that it has to be your huydrlic pump size that is causing you the weakness in lifting. Due to huydrlics is much stronger than a electrical winch. I just remember years ago dealing with a log splitter I had was week so I put a larger motor on it to no improvement and a old timer schooled me on the motor was not the problem but the pump was to small ,changed the pump and gained twice the splitting power. Very nice set up you have there.

people who never screw up, never do anything. for on the fly design build this came out crackin. it will do the job and that is try not to get hurt putting shit on and off the trailer. the older I get the more important that idea becomes.

Matty, Mate….. five videos bests four videos ANY day 🤣🤣🤣 Great outcome even if the hydraulics didn’t work out. It looks better than a bought one, so I’d call that a bloody success eh? Well done, and thanks for all the extra work you put into bringing it to us all 👏👏 Regards Robert

All build problems aside it is a beautiful build. I really like the way it is mounted at the front of the trailer and not the rear like most I see. I think you will probably need some sort of keeper on that pulley to retain the wire rope in the grove. Very surprised the hydraulics didn't work. Anyhow lot nicer and better design than the commercial one I'm using.

Matty nothing wrong with the cylinder that was put on, It is the angle of it.the cylinder needs to be more vertical. the original location on the horizontal part is ok the other end needs to be lower.IMO cheers

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Sometimes it doesn't always work out, I have a few of my own projects I started and never finished, similar story, lucky they are my own projects and not for someone else.

Put a valve on your hydraulic line to the ram, that way you will control on the speed of your boom up boom down. You have a good set up you just need to control the speed of your Hydraulics

Its going to be a lot better than nothing Matt---it will still be useful...E

speaking from experience with my drop legs on my trailer, if you put a load on your trailer will you be able to remove the side brace legs? I have problems with mine digging in with the extra weight on trailer.

Hay mate looks grate and it works one way or anther.On anther thing i left my number with shaun from live tools it wood be nice to talk to sum one ho likes making stuff to, i have an idea for the crane. cheers Rob

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Why don't you try fixing the old ram? Nothing to loose!

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I think you may have ended up with a superior crane. I had found myself thinking about the linier forces on the shaft of the hydraulics when swinging the boom, and I'm pretty sure that with the flexing I was seeing, you would have ended up with a bent rod or lots of blown seals. You reduced the complexity of field repairs. So potentially less work for your dad, and thus you in the future. Enjoyed the whole bit of it. I like seeing you work through designs like this.

The crane looks factory built , I'm sure it will hold up better than a store bought one will.