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Homer, Odyssey a1-27 (spoken in reconstructed ancient Greek pronunciation)

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text start: 00:51
text end: 04:14
-- English
Tell me, O Muse, of the man of many devices, who wandered full many ways after he had sacked the sacred citadel of Troy. Many were the men whose cities he saw and whose mind he learned, aye, and many the woes he suffered in his heart upon the sea, seeking to win his own life and the return of his comrades. Yet even so he saved not his comrades, though he desired it sore, for through their own blind folly they perished-fools, who devoured the kine of Helios Hyperion; but he took from them the day of their returning. Of these things, goddess, daughter of Zeus, beginning where thou wilt, tell thou even unto us.
Now all the rest, as many as had escaped sheer destruction, were at home, safe from both war and sea, but Odysseus alone, filled with longing for his return and for his wife, did the queenly nymph Calypso, that bright goddess, keep back in her hollow caves, yearning that he should be her husband. But when, as the seasons revolved, the year came in which the gods had ordained that he should return home to Ithaca, not even there was he free from toils, even among his own folk. And all the gods pitied him save Poseidon; but he continued to rage unceasingly against godlike Odysseus until at length he reached his own land. Howbeit Poseidon had gone among the far-off Ethiopians-the Ethiopians who dwell sundered in twain, the farthermost of men, some where Hyperion sets and some where he rises, there to receive a hecatomb of bulls and rams, and there he was taking his joy, sitting at the feast; but the other gods were gathered together in the halls of Olympian Zeus.
-- Italian
Musa, quell'uom di multiforme ingegno Dimmi, che molto errò, poich'ebbe a terra Gittate d'Ilïòn le sacre torri; Che città vide molte, e delle genti L'indol conobbe; che sovr'esso il mare Molti dentro del cor sofferse affanni, Mentre a guardar la cara vita intende, E i suoi compagni a ricondur: ma indarno Ricondur desïava i suoi compagni, Ché delle colpe lor tutti periro. Stolti! che osaro vïolare i sacri Al Sole Iperïon candidi buoi Con empio dente, ed irritâro il nume, Che del ritorno il dì lor non addusse. Deh! parte almen di sì ammirande cose
Narra anco a noi, di Giove figlia e diva.
Già tutti i Greci, che la nera Parca Rapiti non avea, ne' loro alberghi
Fuor dell'arme sedeano e fuor dell'onde; Sol dal suo regno e dalla casta donna Rimanea lungi Ulisse: il ritenea Nel cavo sen di solitarie grotte La bella venerabile Calipso, Che unirsi a lui di maritali nodi
Bramava pur, ninfa quantunque e diva. E poiché giunse al fin, volvendo gli anni, La destinata dagli dèi stagione Del suo ritorno, in Itaca, novelle Tra i fidi amici ancor pene durava. Tutti pietà ne risentìan gli eterni, Salvo Nettuno, in cui l'antico sdegno Prima non si stancò, che alla sua terra Venuto fosse il pellegrino illustre.
Ma del mondo ai confini e alla remota Gente degli Etïòpi (in duo divisa, Ver cui quinci il sorgente ed il cadente Sole gli obbliqui rai quindi saetta) Nettun condotto a un ecatombe s'era Di pingui tori e di montoni; ed ivi Rallegrava i pensieri, a mensa assiso. In questo mezzo gli altri dèi raccolti Nella gran reggia dell'olimpio Giove
Stavansi.
-- Deutsch
Sage mir, Muse, die Taten des viel sich wendenden Mannes,
Welcher so viel geirrt, nach der heiligen Troia Zerstörung,
Vieler Menschen Städte gesehn, und Sitte gelernt hat,
Und auf dem Meere so viel' unnennbare Leiden erduldet,
Seine Seele zu retten, und seiner Freunde Zurückkunft.
Aber die Freunde rettet' er nicht, wie eifrig er strebte,
Denn sie bereiteten selbst durch Missetat ihr Verderben:
Toren! welche die Rinder des hohen Sonnenbeherrschers
Schlachteten; siehe, der Gott nahm ihnen den Tag der Zurückkunft,
Sage hievon auch uns ein weniges, Tochter Kronions.
Alle die andern, so viel dem verderbenden Schicksal entflohen,
Waren jetzo daheim, dem Krieg' entflohn und dem Meere:
Ihn allein, der so herzlich zur Heimat und Gattin sich sehnte,
Hielt die unsterbliche Nymphe, die hehre Göttin Kalypso,
In der gewölbeten Grotte, und wünschte sich ihn zum Gemahle.
Selbst da das Jahr nun kam im kreisenden Laufe der Zeiten,
Da ihm die Götter bestimmt, gen Ithaka wiederzukehren;
Hatte der Held noch nicht vollendet die müdende Laufbahn,
Auch bei den Seinigen nicht. Es jammerte seiner die Götter;
Nur Poseidon zürnte dem göttergleichen Odysseus
Unablässig, bevor er sein Vaterland wieder erreichte.
Dieser war jetzo fern zu den Aithiopen gegangen;
Aithiopen, die zwiefach geteilt sind, die äußersten Menschen,
Gegen den Untergang der Sonnen, und gegen den Aufgang:
Welche die Hekatombe der Stier' und Widder ihm brachten.
Allda saß er, des Mahls sich freuend. Die übrigen Götter
Waren alle in Zeus' des Olympiers Hause versammelt.

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@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 4 жыл бұрын
the whole 1st rhapsody at ancientgreek.eu/audiobooks/odyssey-01.html (without music)
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 4 жыл бұрын
Nice to hear :-) Thanks
@Themuslimtheist
@Themuslimtheist 3 жыл бұрын
Why doesn't the poem seem to rhyme in this performance? Don't get me wrong, the performance is beautiful, but I thought the whole point of the reconstructed pronunciation was because without it the poetic meter would be off. I do not know any ancient greek, but I am assuming even a non-greek should hear the rhyme at the end of every verse. This just sounds like someone talking in prose, not in rhyming poetry.
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 3 жыл бұрын
Well, rhyming is not a fitting word for it. This metre, the hexameter has, if I recall it well, 32 or 33 different variations. First of all the more long syllables the less clear is the perceivable regularity of the verse. Then you have the caesuras, sometimes more of them in one line, which interrupt the expected flow of text. People are used to a mechanical reading since schools insist on a strict rhythmic element so that students get the idea, but this is neither an exact nor a productive kind of knowledge when one tries to (kind of) perform the text.
@Themuslimtheist
@Themuslimtheist 3 жыл бұрын
@@Podium-arts I read your comment about 3 times slowly and didn't understand what you said. Whether something rhymes or not is dependent on the last 1-3 syllables in a verse. What you said seemed to be about the middle of the verse? I'm simply saying that if you read each verse in a consistent style with a clear stopping point, you should hear a rhyme. I did not hear a rhyme. I hope you are not calling this a mechanical reading because the whole point of rhyming poetry is to produce the rhyming sound at the end of each verse.
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 3 жыл бұрын
Yes but rhyming didn't exist at that time, only sporadically. The rhythmic effect was audible only as long against short syllables.
@lionelyaceczko6230
@lionelyaceczko6230 5 жыл бұрын
I have studied Ancient Greek for about 20 years, and this is the best vocal rendition of Homer I have ever heard. He makes all the distinctions felt, he represents digammas and iota subscripts, he expresses the meter of the hexameters, he distinguishes aspirated dentals, labials, and palatals from their non-aspirated counterparts. He does it all in a stately pace and tone that enables the listener to understand the text as he hears it. And to top it all off, it's easy to imagine the man to whom this voice belongs as the bearded blind bard himself! εὐχαριστῶ!
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much, Lionel. It's such a motivation for me/us to realise that there are people out there who can discern details under the "skin" of things. :-)
@DTalesMatter
@DTalesMatter 5 жыл бұрын
It's not even remotely close. It's crap. We are taught ancient greek in school. For example d is pronounced as English d here but it should be delta.
@Michael5iLVEr
@Michael5iLVEr 5 жыл бұрын
@@DTalesMatter I guess you're one of those (/us?), Greeks, that weren't ever taught in school that the/our Greek language was never pronounced the same as in antiquity.
@DTalesMatter
@DTalesMatter 5 жыл бұрын
@@Michael5iLVEr And was pronounced as above? Meaning as if it was English? Nice joke.
@Michael5iLVEr
@Michael5iLVEr 5 жыл бұрын
@@DTalesMatter I wasn't at all joking. And the above example has no relation to English.
@joshuapray
@joshuapray 5 жыл бұрын
Not only is this video incredibly well done, this is the greatest comment section I've ever seen on a KZfaq video. Truly, a linguist's dream.
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks JP :-) Regarding the comment section, yes, there's a lot of interesting stuff, mixed with some trash as well :-D
@kanfor
@kanfor 4 жыл бұрын
Congrats to the person who travelled to the past in order to record Homer reading.
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 4 жыл бұрын
And imagine! there was no Physics involved! Thanks for listening :-)
@laynes118
@laynes118 10 жыл бұрын
The more I listen to this performance, the more I appreciate it. For at least 2700 years, Homer's epic poems have been recognized for their craftsmanship and beauty. The lines were carefully put together to fit a dactylic rhythm that would sound like music to the ear. When spoken Greek lost the distinction between long and short syllables (during the Koine period), the musical rhythm was lost. Generations since then recognized that ancients had admired the poem's beauty, but were unable to hear all that beauty for themselves. In the past several centuries, Ancient Greek has been pronounced as Modern Greek or in a number of regional "Erasmian" pronunciations--which end up being adapted to sound exactly like whatever the local language is (American English, Spanish, German, etc.). None of these attempt to reconstruct the syllable length distinction. When I listen closely to this reading, I can feel the rhythm of "long-short-short long-short-short" come back to life. (Sometimes a "long-short-short" will be replaced by "long-long"--often for intentional poetic effect.) We are hearing the restored full effect of the poet's craft--which has not been experienced by human ears since the end of the classical period.
@truegreek8437
@truegreek8437 10 жыл бұрын
Am I missing something here? Isn't a lot of modern poetry--including Modern Greek poetry--written in dactylic meter?
@laynes118
@laynes118 10 жыл бұрын
True Greek "Dactylic meter" doesn't mean the same thing for classical Greek or Latin poetry as it means for modern western poetry. In modern poetry, we're talking about patterns of stressed and non-stressed syllables. Meter in classical Greek was made up of short syllables and long syllables--where long syllables take about twice as much time as short syllables. This is like quarter notes and half notes in music. Homer wrote in dactylic hexameter. Each line has six metrical feet. The first five are typically dactylic, where each has a long syllable followed by two short syllables. The last foot has two syllables, the first of which is long. A syllable is long if it contains a long vowel sound or ends in a consonant. The vowels ε and ο are always short. The vowels η and ω are always long. The vowels α, ι, υ will be long or short depending on the word. To make it easier to pronounce, they're sometimes marked with a macron if they're long: ᾱ, ῑ, ῡ. Two vowels together in a syllable are almost always long, but αι or οι at the end of a word can be counted short if needed. This happens with "μοι" in the first line. It's easier if I show an example. I'll put the symbols < > around a syllable to say that it is long and lasts twice as much time as the others. Note how the first 5 feet of line 1 of the Odyssey follow the pattern " short short." Watch for a long vowel, two vowels or an ending consonant in every long syllable. 1. δρα μοι 2. νε πε 3. σα πο 4. ρο πο 5. μα λα 6. λα Notice that if there's only one consonant between vowels, the consonant gets grouped with the following vowel--even if the following vowel is part of another word. (See foot 5 above.) It's possible for any of the six metrical feet to be replaced with a spondee, which is two long syllables. This happens in feet 1, 2 and 6 of the second line. Also, when one word ends with a vowel and the next begins with a vowel, the two often get combined into a single syllable. This happens a bit less often in Homer than other classical Greek poetry, because an unwritten digamma--sounding like an English "w"--is sometimes between the vowels. However, it does happen in foot 1 of line 2 below. 1. 2. 3. σ-ι ε 4. πτο λι 5. ρο ν-ε 6. There's some more complexity to it, but that's the basic story.
@eppyglottis529
@eppyglottis529 9 жыл бұрын
Layne Saltern Good summary of how classical meter works. There's one minor clarification I'd like to make. You have combined the "-θη ἐ-" of πλάγχθη ἐπεὶ into a single long syllable. The common practice here is pronounce "-θη ἐ-" as 2 short syllables. The technical name for this is "epic correption." This is a form of hiatus where a long ending vowel becomes short before a word beginning with a vowel. There are several examples of this in Homer.
@laynes118
@laynes118 9 жыл бұрын
Eppy Glottis I was thinking of prodelision, but now that you mention it, correption is a better fit. The wikipedia page on correption even uses that line as an example :). There are some lines where correption is the only thing that can make the meter work, for example the last two feet of line 26: οἱ δὲ δὴ ἄλλοι (long short short long-long). Prodelision would give us long short long-long, which dactylic hexameter doesn't allow.
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 9 жыл бұрын
Eppy Glottis it's a bit tricky to pronounce this case of correption in such a way that it doesn't disturb the metre and makes an audible difference of the phonemes [η] & [ε] that follow each other as well; in this place there's one more difficulty, because after πλάγχθη a new clause is beginning, which practically means a short pause between the relative phonemes - at least if one doesn't want to narrate like a train, which I don't like or believe is the way to be done...
@bizcoach7
@bizcoach7 8 жыл бұрын
This is spellbinding: there's magic in those lines of the poem, and in the voice as well. I'm sure I'll be back to listen to it again.
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 8 жыл бұрын
+Grazina Ajana Szewczyk Thanks!
@AdamMendoza007
@AdamMendoza007 7 жыл бұрын
Seriously, is the entire text in the works? There should be a Patreon or crowd funding campaign to complete it.
@gamhacked
@gamhacked 4 жыл бұрын
@Mom Sheriff I believe he means the text read in this manner. I have never heard anyone else pronounce Ancient Greek thus. It sounds truly special.
@gamhacked
@gamhacked 4 жыл бұрын
@Mom Sheriff Yes I know and that's nice, but I've never heard anyone pronounce Ancient Greek properly, and Iived in Greece for 10 years. Most of the people I asked didn't even know that it used to be 'beta' and not 'vita', for example.
@gamhacked
@gamhacked 4 жыл бұрын
@Mom Sheriff What is your point...? Adam just said that the channel should record the rest of the work... Are you going to do it for us? Is your grandpa?
@gamhacked
@gamhacked 4 жыл бұрын
@Mom Sheriff The rest by this same channel or by someone else? If it's by someone else, I very much doubt it would be this high-quality.
@monoecumsemper
@monoecumsemper 3 жыл бұрын
@Adam Mendoza it absolutely should.
@AveChristusRex
@AveChristusRex 7 жыл бұрын
Your reconstrunction possesses the authentic and plausible sound that others lack. Namely, the fact that it can be imagined to have been spoken in real life, not being overly artificial or forced. Thanks for taking us back to 800 B.C.!
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks A.C.R., indeed, since most of the phonetic elements of the language are known, my aim has been (and is) to focus on the rendition in a "realistic" manner. The language and its dialects have been really spoken by humans, so, however scarce the information on actual speech might be, there are common things rooted deeply in human nature and expression -as well as others, particular to race, period, nation or culture- that spread some light into the question of reconstructing an ancient language. It is an interesting quest! Thanks for commenting :-)
@AveChristusRex
@AveChristusRex 7 жыл бұрын
Yes, to not consider this fact of its having been really spoken in time is, contrary to what one would think, absent from other endeavors to reconstruct pronunciation; or at least it seems that way. Thanks for the vid :]
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 7 жыл бұрын
This absence has been a powerful motivator ...
@vladimirvostok2780
@vladimirvostok2780 8 жыл бұрын
Ioannis, this is one of the most beautiful things I have ever heard. I am currently teaching myself Homeric Greek and yours is the only recording which seems to pronounce the words in accordance with what the academics now, mostly, recognize as the authentic pronunciation, including use of aspirated stops, pitch accent and the digamma. What is even more remarkable, however, is that you have managed to add your own artistic skills to the reading to bring it alive. It makes me almost feel I am back in the time of Homer. I know it is a great effort and will take a lot of time, but please complete a full recording of the Iliad and the Odyssey. It would be a great gift to art as well as for fans of Ancient Greek - I would buy copies and listen to them in the car, in my room, on the beach...
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 8 жыл бұрын
Thank you Vladimir, I'm happy you like it :-) The complete Iliad is been prepared. I don't have a release date yet, as another work has to be published first. Stay tuned ;-)
@greatsea
@greatsea 8 жыл бұрын
Get on with it! :)
@williansouza889
@williansouza889 8 жыл бұрын
It would be amazing. I'm waiting too.
@soldierofchrist888
@soldierofchrist888 5 жыл бұрын
@@Podium-arts What is the name from this music?
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 5 жыл бұрын
Löwe Juda it is from a CD called "Odyssey" by Vangelis Mertzanis (google him or find him on Facebook)
@thedidaskalon3523
@thedidaskalon3523 8 жыл бұрын
He is using the restored pronunciation of Ancient Greek, the accepted form which unfortunately not many use for some unknown reasons. The stops are aspirated, as they should be. The iota subscript is pronounced, as it should be. Greeks today would say no, but that is because they learned it another way. Beta is beta, not veta. And a lot of other changes but too numerous. Also remember, even in Ancient times there were many dialects. Just look at Sappho or Herodotus. So the sounds could be pronounced numerous ways. We just have to accept what we hear, if we can understand at all. Great video and great pronunciation. Thank you for sticking with the classical restored pronunciation. I do have to admit sometimes though the un-aspirated stops are better in certain words where it is really hard for an English speaker to say. Such words starting with: φθ- for example.
@kori4580
@kori4580 8 жыл бұрын
+The Didaskalon Not all Greeks, I have embraced the richness of Archaic Greek sounds for a few years and love it!
@jimkiriakopoulos799
@jimkiriakopoulos799 8 жыл бұрын
+The Didaskalon 1)A Greek who learned it another way according to you, wants to inform you that your name is all wrong. The neuter noun "didaskalon" simply doesn't exist.. If you want to learn or teach the language you have to avoid basic mistakes! The teaching place is named "The didaskaleion" Το διδασκαλειον.2)If Βητα is Beta and not Veeta, then, which is the Greek symbol for the sound V?
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 8 жыл бұрын
+jim kiriakopoulos Answering your 2) comment. The V sound is not attested in ancient Greek. The closest equivalent is the digamma. It seems though, that in the Doric dialect of Creta this contemporary V-sound may have existed (in some words at least), as in words in other dialects containing the digamma, the Cretans wrote a B. I also don't know from which period these Cretan words come.
@jimkiriakopoulos799
@jimkiriakopoulos799 8 жыл бұрын
+Podium-Arts. How then, will you pronounce the Latin word Veneti in the Attic dialect since digamma doesn't exist any more? It is definitely Βενέτι because there is no other way. If again, you want to bring it back to Latin, according to this theory, it will be Beneti. What do you have to say about this?
@ilpirus9116
@ilpirus9116 8 жыл бұрын
+jim kiriakopoulos what about ου to reproduce the V sound in Latin? There is some debate about the pronunciation of V in Latin too, but it is quite likely that the reconstructed pronunciation (i.e. the non ecclesiastic one), where V is pronounced U, had been in use at some point and should be considered the "pure" Latin, as opposed to the "contaminated" (because of the contact with other languages in the provinces) version of it.
@seva809
@seva809 7 жыл бұрын
The most epic language ever.
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 7 жыл бұрын
:-) isn't it? Thanks for listening
@volimNestea
@volimNestea 6 жыл бұрын
Very punny.
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 6 жыл бұрын
;-)
@justupostear3571
@justupostear3571 5 жыл бұрын
It doesn't hurt if the narrator's voice sounds like Homer himself.
@Aaron-hq4bu
@Aaron-hq4bu 5 жыл бұрын
When did you get the chance to hear Homer recite this? Rather jealous, if that is the case.
@babyjenks9391
@babyjenks9391 9 жыл бұрын
That's so wonderful I feel tears in my eyes...
@l33trich1
@l33trich1 10 жыл бұрын
THIS IS BLOODY AMAZING
@neileyre6019
@neileyre6019 8 жыл бұрын
Extraordinarily magnificent! Its been a while since Ive listened to this and, as ever, Ioannis sounds like he's just been for a quick trip back to ancient Greece. Keep up this amazing work my friend; your talent is awe inspiring. I always feel spiritually uplifted after hearing your recordings. Thank you.
@jesusthroughmary
@jesusthroughmary 5 жыл бұрын
Continuing this project would be a great gift to the world.
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 5 жыл бұрын
That's for sure and my intention :-) Thanks for listening & commenting!
@RudisKetabs
@RudisKetabs 2 жыл бұрын
It just sounds sooooo beautiful. One of the most beautiful languages I’ve ever heard.
@ydatoporin
@ydatoporin 5 жыл бұрын
As a greek I can easily understand the pronunciation after one verse, it isn't hard at all.
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 5 жыл бұрын
Ἐπιτέλους καὶ κάποιος ρεαλιστής :-)
@Viewer-ld5rc
@Viewer-ld5rc 3 жыл бұрын
Io Tsi Ένας θεός ξέρει πως καταλαβαίνει κανείς αυτό το βίντεο χωρίς την βοήθεια του κειμένου.
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 3 жыл бұрын
Γιατί, καταλαβαίνει πλέον κανεὶς τὸ γραπτὸ χωρὶς λεξικό;
@dimitrisx2419
@dimitrisx2419 3 жыл бұрын
βεβαια αυτος δεν παιζει να ταν ελληνας
@dimitrisx2419
@dimitrisx2419 3 жыл бұрын
@Basil II of Macedon the Vardaskan slayerσε ποιο λεπτο αν μπορεις
@steliopapakonstantinou674
@steliopapakonstantinou674 6 жыл бұрын
Δάκρυσα από συγκίνηση!!! Η γλώσσα μου είναι η ζωή και πνοή μου!!!!
@Hydrogen-Hyperoxide
@Hydrogen-Hyperoxide 6 жыл бұрын
Σκούπισε τα δάκρυά σου Στέλιο. Η γλώσσα μας είναι όντως ζωή, μα αν την προφέρεις (σε φυσιολογικούς ρυθμούς) κατ'αυτόν τον τρόπο... δεν θα σου μείνει πνοή.
@TheofanisPapadopoulos
@TheofanisPapadopoulos 3 жыл бұрын
@@Hydrogen-Hyperoxide έγραψες... Το σκότωσε ο τύπος... Θεωρώ ότι είναι άλλη μια προσπάθεια εξόντωσης της ελληνικής γλώσσας..
@theodoredendromiris813
@theodoredendromiris813 2 ай бұрын
Εγώ Πάλι δάκρυσα από τα γέλια , μόνο απροσάρμοστοι θα μιλούσαν έτσι χαχαχα 😂😂😂😂
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 2 ай бұрын
@theodoredendromiris813 σε τί ακριβώς προσαρμοζόμενοι χάνουν τον τίτλο που τους επιδίδεται; Στα αμόρφωτα ψέματα ότι δήθεν οι αρχαίοι μιλάγανε όπως εμείς; Ευτυχώς υπάρχουν ντοκουμέντα από την αρχαιότητα οπότε οι σύγχρονοι αμόρφωτοι μπορούν να αυτό δοξάζονται στις προσαρμοσμένες δοξασίες τους. Εκεί να δείτε γέλια αγαπητέ Θεόδωρε!
@theodoredendromiris813
@theodoredendromiris813 2 ай бұрын
Τι αποδείξεις το βη βη των προβάτων; Γιατί άλλο.επιχείρημα δεν έχουν και αυτό στερείται σοβαρότητας. Σίγουρα η προφορά αλλοιώθηκε στα Ελληνιστικά χρόνια , αλλά οι αρχαίοι δεν μιλούσαν με βαρβαρικούς υποτονθορυσμούς.
@Survivethejive
@Survivethejive 3 жыл бұрын
So Zeus is pronounced like a D as in Deus?
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 3 жыл бұрын
There's an S in front of the D though, which is becoming a Z because it gets voiced (exactly because of the following voiced D).
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 3 жыл бұрын
who's Thomas?
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 3 жыл бұрын
Τίντουτπάλ;
@ArthurPPaiva
@ArthurPPaiva 3 жыл бұрын
No, it was pronounced exactly as "Z" in Italian: Dzeus
@kyomademon453
@kyomademon453 3 жыл бұрын
More likely pronounced as zevs or ssevs
@mamadoritos
@mamadoritos 9 жыл бұрын
amazing work!! love the way the narrator "sang" the words, it felt very... alive. I would also like to have an entire audiobook with both the entire poems. hope that comes soon :)
@ladyofshalott4780
@ladyofshalott4780 8 жыл бұрын
Yes, so would I! This is so much better than straight reading, and the text with English subtitles really gets a non-Greek speaker involved.
@casparvoncampenhausen5249
@casparvoncampenhausen5249 6 жыл бұрын
PLEASE!
@pardieupopper339
@pardieupopper339 8 жыл бұрын
Splendid! I echo Vladimir Vostok's request from below and look forward to your publication of both The Odyssey and The Iliad. Thank you for this bit.
@LaFaveBros
@LaFaveBros 8 жыл бұрын
Sounds *exactly* like the voice in "Ori and the Blind Forest."
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 8 жыл бұрын
+Max LaFave :-D
@zhaw4821
@zhaw4821 3 жыл бұрын
"Ori"in Greek means mountains
@torless3696
@torless3696 2 жыл бұрын
What a wonderful language. Even though I do not understand it, it is woven into the very fabric of European culture and the places and heroes (of thought and action) that are connected to it are instantly recognizable to any European. As a German, when I hear names such as "Hyperion" and "Calypso" they immediately conjure up an intimate landscape of ideas and places that feel very real even though I have only visited them on the wings of Homers imagination. Thank you for creating this.
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 2 жыл бұрын
well said!
@pitsinokaki
@pitsinokaki 2 жыл бұрын
What a lovely comment. I have studied German (I am a bit out of practice, that's why I don't reply to you in that language) and the syntax and the way of constructing sentences is so close to ancient Greek... If you have some background in ancient Greek and then you read a German text, everything "clicks" - it's uncanny!
@gurufabbes1
@gurufabbes1 9 жыл бұрын
Absolutely awesome. I would pay to have a recording + simultaneous text of you reading the entire Illiad or Odyssey this way. Please keep up the good work, and I was surprised to see that you were Greek and using the reconstructed pronunciation. Good on you.
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 9 жыл бұрын
gurufabbes1 thank you for your appreciation :-) When time allows I'll come back with audiobook and video recordings, I've been busy with the performance of Iliad-A lately. Actually it is my plan to release Homer's work when it'll be ready for it. Regarding the "other", yes, there are some Greeks that can read and understand that using a reconstructed pronunciation is closer than the modern one, but somehow it's not common and not peacticed at all (for the moment), which I hope to help change, for as much as it lies within my power.
@gurufabbes1
@gurufabbes1 9 жыл бұрын
Great, I look forward to more of your work. I subscribed to your channel. Feel free to like this page on facebook for the ancient greek language: facebook.com/pages/Ancient-Greek-Language/108467045860960 I think the author may have taken notice.
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 9 жыл бұрын
gurufabbes1 how could I ever resist such a page?
@gurufabbes1
@gurufabbes1 9 жыл бұрын
Podium-Arts As you may have seen, the members of the page liked it very much and have shared it along.
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 9 жыл бұрын
gurufabbes1 very effective page, indeed :-D
@sebastolafgravberg6757
@sebastolafgravberg6757 6 жыл бұрын
Absolutely enchanting! thank you so much. The first time I hear somebody respecting the value of ancient greek letters (especially the aspirated consonants).
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 6 жыл бұрын
thanks for your fine words :-)
@morelandmi1048
@morelandmi1048 2 жыл бұрын
Fella like Homer came to us all and read his great Odyssea... Thank you, thank you so much for this experience!
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@Solon7
@Solon7 5 жыл бұрын
Μπράβο! Ειδικός δεν είμαι,πλην όμως πιστεύω καθαρά από διαίσθηση,ότι η προφορά των αρχαίων δεν απέχει πολύ από αυτό που άκουσα. Κλείνοντας να πω,ότι το αστείο σε ορισμένα σχόλια,είναι πως κάποιοι πιστεύουν ότι οι Αρχαίοι Έλληνες ήταν υποχρεωμένοι να μιλάνε όπως εμείς σήμερα!!!
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 5 жыл бұрын
Εὐχαριστῶ γιὰ τὰ θετικά σου σχόλια. Ἀκριβῶς καὶ δυστυχῶς ἡ δοξασία τῶν πολλῶν σήμερα εἶναι ἡ ἀντίθετη «λογική» τοῦ «ἀφοῦ ἐμεῖς εἴμαστε οἱ Ἕλληνες, οἱ παλαιότεροι προφέρουν ὅπως ἐμεῖς» καὶ ὄχι πὼς «αὐτὸ ποὺ λέμε ἐμεῖς εἶναι ἐξέλιξις τῆς προφορᾶς τῶν παλαιοτέρων». Τώρα, τὰ ἠχογραφήματά μου εἶναι προσπάθεια ἐφαρμογῆς τῶν περιγραφῶν τῆς προφορᾶς ἀπὸ τοὺς «τότε», ποὺ τὴν ὁμιλοῦσαν καὶ τὴν περιέγραφαν στοὺς συγχρόνους των. Τί ἄλλο μπορεῖ νὰ κάνει κανείς;
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 4 жыл бұрын
@Truth prevails Ὅ,τι ἀκοῦς ἐδῶ εἶναι καταγεγραμμένο ἀπὸ Ἕλληνες. Τὸ τί μοῦ τσαμπουνᾷς ἐσὺ γιὰ «Δυτικοὺς» καὶ ἄλλες οὐφολογίες ποὺ ἅπτονται πολιτικο-θρησκευτικῶν ζητημάτων δὲν ἀφορᾷ τὸ ἀντικείμενό μου. Ἂν πάλι θεωρῇς τὸ Γ ὡς G βαρβαρισμόν, μάθε ὅτι π.χ. οἱ Ἄραβες τὰ ἔχουν καὶ τὰ δύο. Μήπως καὶ τὰ δικά μας σύγχρονα Β,Γ,Δ ἦλθαν ἀπὸ ἐκεῖ; ;-) Βρὲς τίποτε ἀρχαῖες ἐπιγραφές καὶ πρόσεξε πόσες πολλὲς φορὲς τὸ Γ ἀντικαθίσταται ἀπὸ Κ, τὸ Δ ἀπὸ Τ καὶ τὸ Β ἀπὸ Π καὶ βγάλε τὰ συμπεράσματά σου. Ἂν πάλι σὲ ἐνοχλῇ ἡ ἀλήθεια λυποῦμαι. Ἕνας ἐχέφρων ἄνθρωπος, γιὰ τέτοιος μοῦ μοιάζεις, βασίζεται σὲ στοιχεῖα κι ὄχι σὲ συνήθειες 2-3 χιλιάδων ἐτῶν κατόπιν ἑορτῆς.
@EuclesOfMarathon
@EuclesOfMarathon 4 жыл бұрын
@@Podium-arts είμαι Έλληνας και ζηλεύω τον τρόπο που γράφεις και μιλάς την ελληνικήν γλώσσαν. Μακάρι να είχα ασχοληθεί (και εγώ και όλοι οι Έλληνες) τόσο όσο εσύ ώστε να γράφω και να μιλάω έτσι. Θαυμάζω τη δουλειά σου συνέχισε σε παρακαλώ! Καλή δύναμη !
@sojeetsharma
@sojeetsharma 4 жыл бұрын
I think this is the best video I’ve ever seen on KZfaq... amazing!!! I’d love more!!!
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Sojeet :-) More is uploaded with a certain frequency (but without any music)
@AprilisAlbuquerquensis
@AprilisAlbuquerquensis 6 жыл бұрын
I think this is the best thing I have ever found on youtube!!! I got shivers just listening to the first line!
@helgaioannidis9365
@helgaioannidis9365 3 жыл бұрын
I am German and learned modern Greek as an adult. This is so beautiful and I was surprised how much I could actually understand.
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 3 жыл бұрын
yes, it's not impossible to understand it with knowledge of modern Greek, although the pronunciation sounds strange to most Greeks today
@helgaioannidis9365
@helgaioannidis9365 3 жыл бұрын
@@Podium-arts as a German to me it sounds as if an ancient Bavarian speaks Greek. The word θύρα just sounded exactly like the German word Tür and all the aspirated vowels are so familiar to a German native speaker. I felt like I could touch the common root of both languages. What's funny, I am also fluent in Italian and I feel like Greek and German have more in common than Italian and German or Italian and Greek,which is weird, if you think of the geographics.
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 3 жыл бұрын
Dear Helga, many people find that this pronunciation sounds "German" or "Nordic" and sometimes even "Japanese" or "Chinese" and everything in between. Funny that yesterday someone kept calling me "Fritz", unhappy as he is that this pronunciation doesn't sound "Greek" to him, but facts are facts if one wants to follow the ancient descriptions of the Greeks themselves this is how it (more or less) sounds. I believe that Greek (and Italian) got rid of the H's because of dialectic influence, since the ancient Aeolic and Ioanian spoken in today's Turkey were both avoiding the H's and Latin is related more to the Aeolian dialect. I would call it a kind of "orientalism", but all oriental nearby languages just keep their H's... So it is some peculiarity of sorts. But as philologists and linguists suggest, German and Greek (and almost all European languages) belong to the same family, whatever characteristics any one of them kept in common with the others. There is absolutely some good reason for this; the disagreement is on how this did happen, as people try to distill some added value for getting the glory that belongs to parenting this family :-D But I wouldn't be surprised if there has been more happening in ancient times than we all know. Julius Caesar for example wrote that certain regions in today's Switzerland spoke Greek or, as I remember from about 10-15 years ago, there has been an article in "Der Spiegel" about some artefacts (or even a whole Minoan ship? I don't remember well) buried in the sands of a North-Western German beach which some people stumbled upon by accident... Who knows?
@nathankater7708
@nathankater7708 6 жыл бұрын
ِAlthough my Greek knowledge is little, I sit and listen and want to cry. It is so beautiful that it hurts me so much to listen to it.
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 6 жыл бұрын
:-) thanks Nathan, though I didn't intend to sadden anyone, the story itself has a lot of tragic elements.
@ioannisstratakis
@ioannisstratakis 10 жыл бұрын
Ευχαριστώ για τα καλά σου λόγια :-)
@laynes118
@laynes118 10 жыл бұрын
I heard a rumor that a sample from the Iliad might be coming soon. I hope so. Your recordings are AWESOME! They not only sound great. The pronunciation accurately matches the latest phonological research regarding how Greek must have sounded during the classical period. (You already know this, of course. I'm just affirming it.) There are very few recordings that make use of everything we know today about classical Greek phonology. (Erasmian pronunciation is outdated and doesn't count.) Most of the few recordings that do exist were made by scholars who sometimes aren't the most talented voice actors. You've got both things going for you: accuracy and great dramatic performance. You are the real deal.
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 10 жыл бұрын
Layne Saltern Wow, my cheeks are getting red… Thanks for your appreciation :-) I'm now working again on Iliad-A but called some specialists around as well. Working all alone is not the most efficient way for producing a major work, that also needs a more "compact" but multilevel approach than I did until now. Though I've recorded the whole Iliad three times in total, I've not been satisfied with it yet. But it goes faster than I thought. I expect to present the 1st rhapsody over a month at the University of Athens and am working towards a staged recital, or a sort of theatrical production of it as well. I assure you that it is much work, but well worth the effort. Maybe even the non-specialist Greeks will reconsider their (unsupported) views of identification of ancient and modern pronunciation :-D And there's enough proof for my approach, especially within the ancient-Gr texts which, alas, are only known to specialists. This sort of human beings shun the "mainstream" and are, as usual, situated in the more obscure corners of relevant research. I suspect that they'll also enjoy a chance to come out to light from time to time... Thank you again.
@Daniel741776
@Daniel741776 2 жыл бұрын
I keep coming back to this.
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Daniel :-)
@kviu
@kviu 5 жыл бұрын
Educated as a scientist I know neither modern nor ancient Greek. Anyway, I am touched by this truly artistic presentation. While listening to the words I follow the Greek letters, which I know from old-school mathematics. Doing so, the words, however alien to me, gain meaning helped by the given translation and my knowledge of the story. I feel as if being immersed into that ancient time.
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Kurt for your poetic description of your feelings. I'm happy to read that my work can aesthetically enhance your reception of this little part of the story.
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 9 жыл бұрын
+Αιγλήτης Μάνος It is a reconstructed version
@RodCornholio
@RodCornholio 8 жыл бұрын
Spine chilling. Beautiful.
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 8 жыл бұрын
+RodCornholio Thank you :-)
@SeadogDriftwood
@SeadogDriftwood 9 жыл бұрын
Such mellifluous euphony! I especially love that you've included the digamma (the /w/) in your pronunciation, even if not in the text.
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 9 жыл бұрын
SeadogDriftwood thank you for your appreciation! I didn't write the digamma, mainly because the surviving (late) text doesn't include it, but as I understand that you know, it must have been there when recited.
@BrianTheMusicMan
@BrianTheMusicMan 9 жыл бұрын
Podium-Arts I'm wondering which words you put the digamma in and how you did it. I'm assuming you did: ϝἴδεν, ϝἄστεα, Διϝός, ϝοἴκοι, ϝἔτος, ϝοἶκόνδε. But I was wondering about δῖα: do you think of it as διϝια or δῖϝα? And what about Ζηνὸς?
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 9 жыл бұрын
Brian McFadden I'm taking it as δίϝα and Ζηνός. I've set up a list of words containing the ϝ, but I've got no time to finish it yet, mainly because of moving to Athens and preparing a presentation (of the complete Iliad-A at a rather important place), that takes intense work. When I'm hopefully settled I'll come back to it.
@BrianTheMusicMan
@BrianTheMusicMan 9 жыл бұрын
Interesting. I've seen one book note it as δίϝια but this Indo-European scholar never claims it has digamma ever. Not sure if you've ever seen her work: www.indogermanistik.uni-freiburg.de/seminar/pers/tichy/pub.html
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 9 жыл бұрын
I know her by name and read some excerpts some time ago. They usually do nice work, but I can't place δίϝια. I suppose it's a (mis?)take for the iota of the word been often macron.
@Michael5iLVEr
@Michael5iLVEr 7 жыл бұрын
Υπέροχη ερμηνειά και εκπληκτική μουσική! Μέχρι πρότινος ήμουν αντίθετος με την επιστημονική προφορά. Ως μαθητής λυκείου σε Ελληνικό σχολείο, ούτε που μας αναφέρουν για την αρχαία προφορά. Διαβάζουμε Θουκυδίδη και Ξενοφώντα με την νεοελληνική προφορά και αν ακούσουμε κάτι τέτοιο (σαν αυτήν την αφήγηση), τρέχει η γλώσσα μας ροδάνι και μπορεί να ξεστομίσουμε οτιδήποτε. Κι όλο αυτό, επειδή δεν ξέρουμε. Όπως και να'χει, είμαι πεπεισμένος τώρα πια για την αρχαιοελληνική προφορά. Κι από την άλλη, σου δίνει μια άλλη αίσθηση. Κάτι αλλιώτικο, όχι τόσο μουντό όπως ο δυναμικός τονισμός της Νέας. Όμως όποτε πάω να προφέρω κάποιο χωρίο με αυτήν την προφορά, ή μου βγαίνουν τα πνευμόνια, ή δεν βγάζω άκρη για τι μιλά. Και επίσης, δυσκολεύομαι να παρακολουθήσω κάποιον που μιλάει κατ' αυτόν τον τρόπο. Τέλος πάντων, θα συνεχίσω να εξασκούμαι και θα δω και τα άλλα βίντεό σου. Συνέχισε την καλή δουλειά!
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 7 жыл бұрын
Εὐχαριστῶ Μιχάλη :-) Πρὶν δοκιμάσῃς νὰ μιλήσῃς μὲ τὴν ἀνασυντεθειμένη προφορά, καλὸ εἶναι νὰ μάθῃς καὶ νὰ προπονηθῇς στοὺς φθόγγους ποὺ διαφέρουν καὶ τὶς ἄλλες ἰδιαιτερότητές της. Πρόσεξε ἐπίσης τὴν σύνταξι τῶν λέξεων, δηλ. πρακτικὰ ποιές ταιριάζουν μὲ ποιές μέσα στὴν πρότασι καὶ τὴν κάθε παράγραφο. Στὴν οὐσία αὐτὴ (ἡ σύνταξις) δὲν διαφέρει ἀπὸ τὴν νέα Ἑλληνική. Μόνο ποὺ ἡ ἀρχαία ἔχει καὶ τὰ λεγόμενα «μόρια» ποὺ ἴσως σὲ δυσκολεύουν ἀκόμη. Ἂν ὅπως λὲς «σοῦ βγαίνουν τὰ πνευμόνια» ἔγκειται κυρίως στὰ μακρὰ φωνήεντα καὶ συλλαβές, ποὺ πρέπει νὰ διατηρήσουν τὴν διάρκειά τους. Μὲ λίγη προπόνησι ομως πολλά γίνονται. Εὐχαριστῶ γιὰ τὸ σχόλιό σου!
@Michael5iLVEr
@Michael5iLVEr 7 жыл бұрын
Podium-Arts Εγώ ευχαριστώ για την ταχυτάτη σου απάντηση και για τις συμβουλές σου τις οποίες θα ακολουθήσω πιστά. Ιδιαιτέρως τώρα που το καλοκαίρι έχω μπόλικο χρόνο, θα "στρωθώ" να μελετήσω και ελπίζω την ερχόμενη χρονιά να κορυφώσω τον βαθμό μου. Τα βίντεό σου με εμπνέουν πάρα πολύ και μου "φουντώνουν" περισσότερο την αγάπη μου για την πρόγονο γλώσσα μας. Να'σαι καλά και καλό καλοκαίρι!
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 7 жыл бұрын
Καλὴ μελέτη καὶ καλὸ καλοκαίρι!
@lovebeeization
@lovebeeization 3 жыл бұрын
Wow i love how this language sounds (i'm a korean) it sounds epic but beautiful, feels almost like it's a song
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks my friend :-)
@charleskerry845
@charleskerry845 2 жыл бұрын
I never thought of that until you said it. It does sound rhythmic like a song would be.
@charleskerry845
@charleskerry845 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine hearing Ancient Greek that was spoken thousands of years ago. It kind of gave me goose bumps .
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts Жыл бұрын
it's a fascinating quest
@majeedolerudkhoso6887
@majeedolerudkhoso6887 7 жыл бұрын
What a great combination of scholarship and artistic talent! Very inspiring for a beginner in ancient Greek.
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much Majeed :-) Fine to hear that it helps.
@TheModernHermeticist
@TheModernHermeticist 7 жыл бұрын
Beautiful thanks, had to memorize this in school.
@jamesvanderhoorn1117
@jamesvanderhoorn1117 7 жыл бұрын
Wow, he even pronounces his wau's.
@mitoalado1243
@mitoalado1243 5 жыл бұрын
How to know what Words have wau?
@thewaywardpoet
@thewaywardpoet 3 жыл бұрын
Homer's epic in Ancient Greek sounds so much more...well, epic!
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 3 жыл бұрын
hehe, dear Poet, when I grow up I'll try a hiphop version. It shall be archaeology at that time!
@rattinox
@rattinox 10 жыл бұрын
The only guide I've ever had to pronunciation was Dr. Stephen Daitz CUNY (Rest in Peace). He did immense work in popularizing proper 5th Century Attic Greek pronunciation. Alas, his voice was not well suited for most people's liking.......this is beautiful.
@laynes118
@laynes118 10 жыл бұрын
This is the first I heard that Stephen Daitz had passed away. Some of his recordings could have been better, but I have to agree that he played a huge role in taking reconstructed Greek pronunciation from written theory to spoken practice. Some of the restored pronunciation advocates I've been following were at one time students of Dr. Daitz. One that comes to mind is Philippe Brunet, who studied under Daitz and has since been helping the reconstructed pronunciation to gain traction in his native France.
@rattinox
@rattinox 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tip on Philippe Brunet!!
@user-bi9kf5lg8w
@user-bi9kf5lg8w 10 жыл бұрын
Συγχαρητήρια γι αυτή την επίπονη και δημιουργική προσπάθειά σας . Αν έχω Α τάξη Γυμνασίου εφέτος ,θα αποτελέσει μια καλή αφόρμηση το έργο σας για να ξεκινήσω την Οδύσσεια. Σας ευχαριστώ και πάλι.
@I_6364
@I_6364 5 жыл бұрын
Σέ ποιό γυμνάσιο είσαι; γιά νά ξέρω μήν καί τύχει νά έρθουν τά παιδιά μού.
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 5 жыл бұрын
κα. Λίγδα νὰ τὰ χαίρεστε, ἀλλὰ ἐλπίζω νὰ μὴν γίνουν τόσο στενοκέφαλα ὥστε νὰ ἐθελοτυφλοῦν μπροστὰ στὶς περιγραφὲς τῶν ἰδίων τῶν ἀρχαίων· ἢ μήπως εἶστε ἀπὸ ἐκείνους ποὺ μᾶλλον δὲν ξέρουν νὰ διαβάσουν - ἢ ἀκόμη χειρότερα δὲν θέλουν; Καλὴ λευτεριά!
@MarcoMangia78
@MarcoMangia78 Жыл бұрын
Many many thanks to have come me back to that hera. Hearing that helps me to shut down the noise from the world (at least for a bit). It's like a psychedelics experience
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts Жыл бұрын
Nice that it can be of use
@phisigmakappa010588
@phisigmakappa010588 7 жыл бұрын
This is excellent, I know enough of the phonetics of what the reconstructed pronunciation requires and this was just a pleasure to listen.
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you; indeed I'm trying to stick to the "rules", as far as they are known... It is a lot of work, sure.
9 жыл бұрын
Homer lives! :)
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 9 жыл бұрын
Statek Feaków Oh yes, He does!
@grahampreskett8337
@grahampreskett8337 6 жыл бұрын
I know it must seem strange to speakers of modern Greek, but no-one questions the idea that Chaucer or Anglo-Saxon sounded VERY different to modern English, and that was not half as long ago as classical Greek or Koine. Greek words written by Romans of the time help with possible pronunciation of Greek, as do Greek spellings of Roman names help understand probable Latin pronunciation. It seems inconceivable that the array of Greek vowels all sounded the same in ancient times; why have them?
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 6 жыл бұрын
Exactly :-) An not only that; Dionysius of Halicarnassus even describes the production of the vowels (among others) in a different way each. There must be a reason... Also, what people don't realise is that (suppose the Greek alphabet came from the Phoenician syllabary, which had no vowel symbols), when the Greeks added the vowels there would be some simple logic behind this addition. Why e.g. didn't they add 7 extra vowels for the [e]-sounds, like they supposedly did for the [i]? Of course, some contemporary Greeks that they wrote the “i‘ in 7 ways, in order to indicate the etymology of words. But this is out of time BS. Before the use of [H] and [Ω] they used [E] and [O], which didn't happen with any kind of alternatives for the [I]... Very helpful in this respect is the ancient Greek definition of [orthography], quite different than the contemporary historical one. DIonysius even indicates proof of the separate pronunciation of the diphthongs (ch.24), both short and long.
@grahampreskett8337
@grahampreskett8337 6 жыл бұрын
I was in Ithaki last year and needed a needle. My modern Greek is not very good. I was in a shop, when suddenly I remembered the ancient Greek word Βελονη. I changed the beta to veta and the woman understood me! She then told me that it had never been pronounced with a B, but always with a V. Her husband was a professor, she said, and knew that the pronunciation of Greek had not changed in two thousand five hundred years. This seems extremely unlikely to me, an 'argument from authority' perhaps. I was extremely grateful for the needle and did not want to argue with the lady, so I left with my belone, beloni, veloni, or whatever it was, or had been.
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 6 жыл бұрын
Also this obsession with the modern pronunciation must have a reason, nothing exists without one... Sure, her man knew it for sure, but didn't tell anybody how he did :-D
@grahampreskett8337
@grahampreskett8337 6 жыл бұрын
The reasons might be lack of imagination, national pride after turkish rule, 'demotic' sentiments against the 'unnatural' katharevousa, inability to see change (because the letters are essentially the same after two thousand five hundred years). If I asked English people to read or speak Chaucer (700 years old), they would be disbelieving. If I asked them to do the same with Anglo-Saxon (1500 years ago), they would no doubt not even recognise the language. Contemporary Latin books give us an idea what the Koine may have sounded like. It's difficult to know things for sure, but people sometimes don't even want to look.How many people claim their island as the birthplace of Homer (if there was a Homer). Where IS Ithaca?
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 6 жыл бұрын
I think this linguistic ignorance is cultivated, or at least when an official language (+pronunciation) was established there has been a decision to concentrate only in this "modern" version, because mainly of analphebetism and the great variety in local mini-dialects. But to insist today is unacceptable...
@knifeslaughter
@knifeslaughter 7 жыл бұрын
Not reading translation, but following greek text and enjoying this touch with ancient world. Pretty amazing feel.
@brunabettoni3867
@brunabettoni3867 6 жыл бұрын
Emozionante! Grazie...
@fazekaslaszlo
@fazekaslaszlo 8 жыл бұрын
a magnificently powerful presentation, thank you.
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 8 жыл бұрын
+jampumper Thanks top!
@TradingNirvana
@TradingNirvana 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing pronuncation of the Ancient Greek, thank you!
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 4 жыл бұрын
thanks MB :-)
@STARWARSvagi
@STARWARSvagi 4 жыл бұрын
It's a shame that in Greece, they spend 6 years studying ancient Greek but they don't learn to speak or even pronounce it. Such a waste :(
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 4 жыл бұрын
Agree, they would have spared so much time and effort by doing this very simple thing... A knowledgeable teacher once told me that they don't even dare to mention some things, so passionate is the reaction of the pupils. To speak it in class would be an even greater risk. Unfortunately. But we'll try to change all that. Thanks for commenting!
@Miarth3000
@Miarth3000 4 жыл бұрын
@@Podium-arts actually, a teacher of mine, had told us a few times at school, about the real pronunciation in ancient greeks, even how they wrote syllables in linear B.. but it was more like funfacts, than the point of the course. 😕 too bad, because those things are very interesting and really basic to understand the structure, while they wouldn't hurt anyone!!
@piercelong6016
@piercelong6016 9 жыл бұрын
What pronunciation method is used here and where can I find a guide to pronounce Greek like this?
@tkratz96
@tkratz96 8 жыл бұрын
look up old greek on wikipedia and go to phonetics
@Supermario0727
@Supermario0727 7 жыл бұрын
Pierce Long Go to a British teacher of Latin.
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 7 жыл бұрын
+Pierce Long you could try this one: www.udemy.com/ancient-greek-phonetics/
@jamesharness13
@jamesharness13 8 жыл бұрын
ok, folks, just wanted you to know that this form of Ancient Greek wasn't meant to be used by effective speakers in everyday life. Homer's Greek is a literary and artificial language, used since the eighth century B.C. just for poems and literary compositions.
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 8 жыл бұрын
+Brenno Rubegni This is a broad take; maybe too broad. In terms of syntax because of the metrical needs of the hexameter, it is a literary & artificial language. On the other side, the words used and the seeming mixing of dialects doesn't make it artificial, because -as one theory says- if the poet was born/living in a busy port, like the one Agamemnon took sailing to Troy, it would plausibly give a dialectic mixture like this. Still, poetry is also ... spoken language, even in open air :-) Thanks for commenting
@fbsfrc
@fbsfrc 8 жыл бұрын
+Podium-Arts Lovely performance of reading such an important text to Western Literature! Congratulations for your beatiful achievement! I will indicate it to my studends!
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 8 жыл бұрын
+Fernando Brandão dos Santos Thank you Fernando :-) I hope your students will like it too
@eppyglottis529
@eppyglottis529 10 жыл бұрын
Excellent selection of classical texts. Though I know it must take an enormous amount of work to put these recordings together, I hope we'll see more. It's a heavy burden, but when the muses have blessed you with the kind of talent you have, you have a responsibility to the world.
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 10 жыл бұрын
+Eppy Glottis Blush...
@matinspace8494
@matinspace8494 9 жыл бұрын
It was interesting to listen to a slower reading, it has more πάθος. When I had to read it in class I used to concentrate more on the rhythm and it sounded more like a prayer or spell rather than a narrative poem
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 9 жыл бұрын
Ayame Kazekawa epic poetry must have been delivered in quasi-spoken form, metrical & rhythmical with its prosody but not sung. Ancient Greeks used to say "Homer's epics, Terpander's mele (songs)"; Terpander was according to tradition the first one to deliver sung Homeric works, so I suppose that Homer himself didn't do it likewise... For practicing reasons concentrating on the rhythmical part is very effective, but one has not to overdo it. I cannot imagine how Ion, in the homonymus Platonic dialogue, could describe the good and ill effects of a rhapsodic performance if these works were to be delivered with a dominant rhythm over a kind of narrative that approaches and accentuates the dramatic elements, however strange an art can be. In other works, I mean religious hymns that I'm preparing, the rhythmic element will sound more present, exactly because IMHO it does need this prayer/spell-like character, but I'm not sure it adds anything in an epic poem. Thanks for listening and commenting :-)
@samanthab5752
@samanthab5752 6 жыл бұрын
His voice is sublime.
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 6 жыл бұрын
he thanks you ;-)
@basketelaar4996
@basketelaar4996 9 жыл бұрын
Wow, I really liked this. I study Ancient Greek at school, and I had imagined it quite differently, but of course this is epos after all, so the general speaking must have been different in rhythm and intonation. I especially think the η has a pronounciation which surprised me. I also wanted to ask you a question: how long does it take you to make a fragment like this from the very beginning to the moment you post it on youtube?
@ioannisstratakis
@ioannisstratakis 9 жыл бұрын
Bas Ketelaar Dag Bas, leuk dat je in het oudgriekse bent geïnteresseerd :-) Normally people learn a rather mechanical way of reading epic, which for me is a bit unnatural. It is of course useful at a certain point, as a way of practicing recitation. General speaking is a bit different, but keeps the rhythm of the individual words intact (like in Dutch). The main difference is that you don't have a regular metric pattern, like in poetry. This fragment took me a couple of hours to produce, which is not the normal way I work. Maar dit was een spontane ingeving ;-) Als ik een compleet werk maak duurt het vrij lang.
@basketelaar4996
@basketelaar4996 9 жыл бұрын
Dank u wel, ik waardeer dit zeer!
@ioannisstratakis
@ioannisstratakis 9 жыл бұрын
Bas Ketelaar graag gedaan ;-)
@osraneslipy
@osraneslipy 9 жыл бұрын
That is an absolutely terrific vid? Please make more of such videos.
@nawalmridulya4255
@nawalmridulya4255 5 жыл бұрын
May God bless the Greek language...the oldest surviving classical language...the lingua franca of the ancient world...once spoken from Spain to India...the language of science and arts, philosophy and literature...the language of the Holy Bible... the language that started the Islamic Golden Age and the European Renaissance...such greatness...
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 5 жыл бұрын
Nawal Mridulya thank you so much for your kind words :-)
@anaformiaabalatusdispositi4769
@anaformiaabalatusdispositi4769 9 жыл бұрын
It's a lovely reading, thank you for uploading it. One small factor, for me, hoping to learn ancient Greek pronunciation, because I will need to restart many times, it would be nice to have a video without introduction, so I can easily return to the first word. Great though, all the same!
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 9 жыл бұрын
Anaformia abalatus dispositium. Actually you can do this by clicking at the timestamp ("text start") which is under the viedo, in the description area...
@anaformiaabalatusdispositi4769
@anaformiaabalatusdispositi4769 9 жыл бұрын
Podium-Arts So thoughtful, thanks. :-)
@lucalunardi7473
@lucalunardi7473 8 жыл бұрын
That's beautiful! Kalos kai agathos!
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 8 жыл бұрын
+luca lunardi Grazie tante!
@zhou_sei
@zhou_sei 6 жыл бұрын
thanks for the pick-me-up right at the very beginning of this video
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 6 жыл бұрын
Be my guest
@sophiapapadopoyloy1050
@sophiapapadopoyloy1050 3 жыл бұрын
I THINK THAT I AM HEARING MY GRANDPA SPEAKS TO ME
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 3 жыл бұрын
this makes me happy, since I tried to sound like a grandfather kind of voice, on the other it's nice to see people feeling connected to their (in this case very deep) roots. Have a nice 2021
@theo2755
@theo2755 5 жыл бұрын
As a greek, I find this amazing. This is what I imagine aliens would sound like.
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 5 жыл бұрын
Earthling! welcome to the time machine! :-D
@WindStrik3r
@WindStrik3r 3 жыл бұрын
Ακριβώς
@andreasterlilis278
@andreasterlilis278 2 жыл бұрын
Τρομερά ωραίο ετούτο εδώ! Εύγε! και για την προσπάθεια και τον κόπο σου! Να ακούς την γλώσσα μας πως μιλούτανε τρεις χιλλιάδες χρόνια πριν, δέος!!! Έχω όμως απορία, είναι πιο κοντά στην κοινή μυκηναϊκή ή την αρχαϊκή γλώσσα η απόδοση; Με ποια περίοδο της ελληνικής ασχολείσαι; Σέ ευχαριστώ εκ των προτέρων.
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 2 жыл бұрын
Εὐχαριστῶ Ἀνδρέα :-) Οἱ περισσότερες πληροφορίες ποὺ ἔχομε ἀφοροῦν τὴν κλασικὴ Ἀττικὴ Διάλεκτο. Μὲ βάσι αὐτὴν προσδιορίζονται καὶ οἱ ἄλλες. Π.χ. τὰ Ὁμηρικὰ κατεγράφησαν στὴν Ἀττική, μὲ τὰ σύμβολά της γιὰ νὰ ἀποδώσουν τὸν οἱονδήποτε ἦχο τῆς παλαιοτέρας προφορᾶς κ.ο.κ.
@katcirce
@katcirce 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder what the ancient greeks would think if they heard this. It’s so fascinating.
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 2 жыл бұрын
I'm sure they would look at me with perplexity, how can someone from the future speak so well :-D Joke aside, I just follow what instructions are left in surviving ancient writings. I hope I'm a good copyist
@Trabantoslaw
@Trabantoslaw 10 жыл бұрын
Amazing!
@VovaSpi
@VovaSpi 9 жыл бұрын
Спасибо!..
@cryptictubegr8269
@cryptictubegr8269 2 жыл бұрын
Alas, an acceptable pronunciation! You have my respect.
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks tH
@Philoglossos
@Philoglossos 2 жыл бұрын
'Alas' doesn't mean 'at last' haha, it means 'unfortunately' :P
@genesisbustamante-durian
@genesisbustamante-durian Жыл бұрын
@@Philoglossos hahaha
@sergiitomachynskyi1704
@sergiitomachynskyi1704 3 жыл бұрын
Have you ever thought of recording the most epic parts of Illiad and Odyssey this way (with music)? I think many people would buy it, even without sufficient knowledge of the ancient Greek language, because it sounds so damn epic.
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 3 жыл бұрын
Dear Sergii, never really thought of it. My aim is the complete recording of both + the hymns (in a way that I myself say 'yes'). It is my life's work, all the rest is a preparation for that. Yours is a perfectly good idea but if do that first I'd feel like a traitor of Homer :-D
@oscarjuliano
@oscarjuliano 9 жыл бұрын
Really really GREAT! ancient greek people are still alive!
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 9 жыл бұрын
Oscar Javier Barragan Abreu gracias Oscar :-) Ancient Greeks are alive and kicking ;-)
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 10 жыл бұрын
οδυσ. φωτ. 1) τί εἶναι περιεχόμενο τῶν κειμένων; μόνον τὰ σημάδια στὸ χαρτί (ἢ τὴν ὀθόνη) ; 2) πράγματι εἶναι καὶ ὑποθετική καὶ κατασκευασμένη ἡ προφορά, ἀφοῦ δὲν ὑπάρχει ἡ παροιμοιώδης "μαγνητοταινία" 3) τὸ νόημα συνήθως συνοδεύει αὐτοὺς ποὺ διακρίνουν κάποιαν ἀξία σὲ κάτι. Ἂν δὲν σκοπεύω νὰ μετακομίσω στὴν Μογγολία π.χ. δὲν βλέπω τὸ νόημα νὰ μάθω τὴν τοπικὴ γλῶσσα... 4) πράγματι εἶναι μεγίστη περιπέτεια νὰ πλησιάσῃς τὴν ἀρχαία προφορά, ἄρα καὶ τὸ νόημα τῶν κειμένων ποὺ χαράχτηκαν γιὰ νὰ τὴν ἀπεικονίσουν. Ἐπρόκειτο κυριώτατα γιὰ προφορικόν πολιτισμό, ἀκόμη καὶ γιὰ τὴν ἔννοια "λέξις" χρησιμοποιεῖται μία... λέξις ποὺ σημαίνει τὴν διαδικασία τοῦ νὰ προφέρεις (λόγος > λέγω > λέξις καὶ ὄχι γραφή > γράφω > γράψις (θέμουφύλαε!)) 5) κάποιος γραφικὸς κάποτε ἔβλεπε τὰ πουλιὰ νὰ πετάνε καὶ ἔφτειαξε τὸ πρῶτο ἀεροπλάνο... Πρέπει νὰ σοῦ πῶ ὅμως ὅτι ἡ ἀνακατασκευὴ βασίζεται σὲ ὑπαρκτὰ κείμενα Ἑλλήνων τῆς ἀρχαιότητος, ποὺ περιγράφουν ποῦ πρέπει νὰ βρίσκεται ἡ γλῶσσα, πόσο ἀνοίγει τὸ στόμα, πόση ὥρα κρατᾷ ὁ ἦχος τῶν στοιχείων (φθόγγων), ποῦ νοιώθεις τὸ ἦχο ἢ τὸν ἀέρα κ.ἄ. κατὰ τὴν προφορά των κ.λπ. πολὺ ξεκάθαρες ὁδηγίες. Σχετικὰ μὲ τοὺς καχυπόπτους, νοιώθω συμπάθεια, διότι ἂν δὲν μοῦ ἔμπαιναν ὑποψίες γιὰ τὸ ἀνεξήγητο φαινόμενο νὰ γράφομε τὸν -ηχο -ι μὲ 6-7 τρόπους καὶ οἱ φιλόλογοί μας νὰ λένε χίλιες διαφορετικὲς ἀδικαιολόγητες ἀνοησίες δὲν θὰ ἀνακάλυπτα ἀπ' εὐθείας τὰ κείμενα ποὺ οἱ ἴδιοι θὰ ἔπρεπε νὰ γνωρίζουν καλλίτερα ἀπὸ κάθε ἄλλον. Κάποιοι μὲ ἔχουν βρίσει μὲ πάθος γιὰ ὁ,τιδήποτε θεωροῦν ἀηδὴ σκοπιμότητα. Κυρίως "φθορᾶς" ἢ "καταστροφῆς" τῆς Ἑλληνικῆς γλώσσης. Συνήθως δὲν γνωρίζουν οὔτε γραφή καλὰ καλά, ὁπότε νὰ μποροῦν νὰ διαβάσουν (πόσο μᾶλλον νὰ καταλάβουν) ἀρχαῖα δέν τὸ βλέπω. Δυστυχῶς τέτοιους δύσκολα μπορεῖ νὰ βοηθήσει κανείς... Φυσικὰ ἡ προφορὰ αὐτὴ ἀκούγεται περίεργη, ὅσο π.χ. Νορβηγική. Σωστά. Ἡ γλῶσσα τους ἔχει τὸν λεγόμενο "μουσικὸ τόνο" ὅπως ἡ ἀρχαιοελληνική, ποὺ κι αὐτός περιγράφεται ἀρκετά στοὺς "παληούς῾
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 8 жыл бұрын
Καλημέρα Proteus Hellene, ὄχι, διότι αὐτὸ συνέβη σταδιακὰ μὲ τὸ πέρασμα τῶν αἰώνων (μετά τὴν έποχὴ ποὺ θεωροῦμε ἀρχαία). Τὸ συνάγωμε κυρίως μελετῶντες τὰ σφάλματα στὴν γραφή. Ἐπίσης ὁ Σέξτος Ἐμπ. στὸ "κατὰ γραμματικῶν" κάτι ἀναφέρει γιὰ προφορὰ ποὺ δείχνει πρὸς τὴν νεοελληνική, γράφει ὅμως γιὰ τὴν γλῶσσα τῆς ὲποχῆς του, καὶ γιὰ τότε δὲν ὑπάρχει μεγάλη ἀμφιβολία πὼς τὰ περισσότερα φωνήματα λέγονταν ὅπως περίπου σήμερα (καὶ αἱ δίφθογγοι πλέον). Αὐτὸ ποὺ περιγράφουν οἱ παλαιότεροι γιὰ τὰ σημερινὰ "ι" ἀφορᾷ διαφορετικὰ ἀκούσματα. Μπορεῖς νὰ διαβάσῃς τὶς ὁδηγίες προφορᾶς στὸ κεφ.14 τοῦ "Περὶ συνθέσεως ὁνομάτων" τοῦ Διονυσίου Ἁλικαρνασσέως. Σήμερα ἡ ὀρθογραφία μας εἶναι ἱστορική, δηλ. φωνητικὰ δὲν συμπίπτει μὲ τὸ τὶ προφέρομε.
@dargon881
@dargon881 8 жыл бұрын
Excuse me, what's the music playing on this video?
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 8 жыл бұрын
+dar gon it's by a composer called Vangelis Mertzanis, the CD is called "Odyssey"
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 7 жыл бұрын
+Δημήτριος Α Τὸ ἔχω δεῖ ἤδη κάποια χρόνια πίσω. Δὲν συμφωνῶ μὲ τὸ συμπέρασμά του, ποὺ δὲν εἶναι συμπέρασμα ἀλλὰ σκοπός καὶ προϋπόθεσις. Δυστυχῶς ἀφήνει πολλὰ δεδομένα ἔξω, ποὺ δὲν τὰ ἀναφέρει διότι προφανῶς δὲν ταιριάζουν μὲ αὐτὸ ποὺ προσπαθεῖ νὰ ἀποδείξῃ, δηλ. τὴν συνέχεια ὄχι τῆς Ἑλληνικῆς γλώσσης, ἀλλὰ τὴν συνέχεια (γιὰ ἐκεῖνον ταυτότητα) τῆς προφορᾶς διαφορετικῶν μορφῶν τῆς ἰδίας γλώσσης. Ἀσφαλῶς καὶ πολλὰ ἔχουν παραμείνει εὐτυχῶς ἀναλλοίωτα, ἀσφαλῶς καὶ μόνη στέραια βάσι γιὰ νὰ ἀνακαλύψωμε τὴν παλαιότερη προφορὰ εἶναι ἡ Νέα Ἑλληνική, ἀλλά, τουλάχιστον στὴν δική μου ἀνασύνθεσι μελετῶ πρωτίστως τὶς ἀρχαιοελληνικὲς μαρτυρίες. Ἀκριβῶς ἐπειδὴ ὑπάρχουν κι ἄλλες μαρτυρίες καὶ ἐνδείξεις, δημιουργεῖται μία διαφορετικὴ ἀκουστικὴ «εἰκόνα» ἀπὸ αὐτὴν ποὺ παρουσιάζει τὸ συνημμένο ὀπτικοακουστικό.
@Agras14
@Agras14 7 жыл бұрын
Σ᾽ευχαριστώ για την άποψή σου φίλε Podium-Arts. Επίσης, μπορείς να μου πείς εάν υπάρχει κάποια απόδοση της Ιλιάδος ή/και της Οδύσσειος σε Αττική διάλεκτο; Ερευνώ τον τελευταίο καιρό, αλλά δεν έχω βρεί τίποτα.
@moesypittounikos
@moesypittounikos 7 жыл бұрын
Homeric Greek was more similar to Sanskrit than to modern Greek. In India some can still speak fluent Sanskrit, very fast and natural. It will be interesting to play this recording to them.
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 7 жыл бұрын
+Moesy Pittounikos interesting indeed! If you have news let me know
@jasondayne8260
@jasondayne8260 5 жыл бұрын
And you would know about this because you are of course fluent in both Greek and.. Sanskrit, right? LOL. If you are not fluent, don't let me know...
@laouraofelia275
@laouraofelia275 19 күн бұрын
πριν από 0 δευτερόλεπτα Νομιζω με τα γερμανικα η αρχαι ελλ.γλωσσα ειναι πολυ πιο κοντα απο τα σανσκριτικα η αβεστικα γιαυτο τις χωριζουν σε Kentum kai Satem γλωσσες,η ελληνικη ανηκει στην Kentum hekaton,=hεκατον,>(Kentom,)
@inkyoolee8786
@inkyoolee8786 6 жыл бұрын
I feel more and more motivated to learn Ancient Greek after listening to this. I heard it's VERY difficult, but maybe I'll give it a try?
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 6 жыл бұрын
Ancient Greek is difficult, in my opinion, not because it is more complicated than other languages - which I think it's not - but because one cannot learn it like any other language. Since, for various reasons, there has been no audio material for it, one is confined to written sources. Probably anyone trying to learn a language from paper (or screen nowadays) will face the same degree of difficulty. This is a problem I'm trying to solve within my means in the most accurate way possible...
@angelarabenbauer4115
@angelarabenbauer4115 4 жыл бұрын
Sehr schöne Erinnerung.... Danke.
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 4 жыл бұрын
Ich bedanke much such bei Ihnen :)
@anajakovljevic7816
@anajakovljevic7816 6 жыл бұрын
Wait... This is strange. I'm serbian and i started learning modern greek before few months, i can just read anicent greek, and I probably understand this.
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 6 жыл бұрын
there are of course some things different between modern and Ancient Greek, but it remains the same language. The greatest differences are the reading/speaking of diphthongs, long vowels are gone in modern and there are almost no fricatives in ancient, though in modern there are many. I'm wondering what your experience will be when you progress in the modern form and listen back to the rendition of the ancient one. Thank you for listening :-)
@gold333
@gold333 7 жыл бұрын
I have no idea why, but to me the speaker sounds like a Scandinavian or Slavic native speaker. ?
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 7 жыл бұрын
Maybe because all three languages have a "melodic accent system"?
@gold333
@gold333 7 жыл бұрын
Podium-Arts yes perhaps. I don't know, I'm getting a distinct North-European vibe. Apart from the slow pronunciation, things like the Scandinavian-Old English-Germanic "ü" sound. Also, the voiceless alveolar or denti-alveolar sibilant which Dutch people cannot pronounce and turn ever so slightly into a voiceless alveolar retracted sibilant or even a voiceless palato-alveolar sibilant. Basically what gives away Dutch native speakers of English when they are unable to pronounce words such as "Sin" and "Father" and turn them ever so slightly into "Shin" and "Fa-sher". Anyhow, there are these little elements to my ear which deviate from (modern) Greek, which is sharper, and harsher overall than the smooth pronunciation here. How sure are we that the pronunciation of Homeric Greek deviated this much from (modern) Greek? It's not heavy, but enough to be noticeable to a pentalingual. I've always gone with Gregory Nagy's readings, which sounded more in line with what I expected of Greek. Would love to hear your opinion. Anyhow great job, thanks for the vids :)
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 7 жыл бұрын
Many listeners have commented on this "Northern vibe", which I believe has to do with what we are used as more "Mediterranean". Not only because of the [ü] but also the φ,χ,θ aspirated consonants which today have become fricatives and are only to hear in colloquial interjections. Also the longer vowels are not present in modern Greek anymore, while they are in the North of Europe, might contribute to this impression. About the addition of sibilants in Dutch, yes it's noticeable, but I don't have it, since it's not my mother tongue (and don't find it so "beautiful" to imitate myself in everyday speech). I believe that Homeric & classical Greek was different than modern in many traceable respects, the most important been the "loss" of vowel quantity through the centuries, that to my feeling is pivotal to all other changes. You see, it's easier to pronounce even ancient GR texts with the modern pronunciation if you don't observe the vowel length than when you do. The (ancient) rhythm of words & sentences needs a very different distribution of breath and speaking-energy than that of modern Greek, which by itself cannot go with the many fricatives of today's Greek. Nagy's (respect to him for his great & tireless work!) pronunciation I'd call elementary, but I don't think he really cares much about pronouncing in a polished way. That's my opinion for the very little I've heard of his reading... His talent is somewhere else :-)
@gold333
@gold333 7 жыл бұрын
Podium-Arts I agree, yes that makes sense. Vowel lengths are overlooked by many I believe. Just out of interest, what nationality are you? What is (are) your native language(s)?
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 7 жыл бұрын
+gold333 I'm born in Greece, lived longer in the Netherlands and now back to Greece for no idea how long... I speak some languages too...
@ElizaCorder
@ElizaCorder 5 жыл бұрын
This is gorgeous. Quick question though: is any attempt being made (anywhere) to come up with a melody for the Homeric poems? As far as I am aware they were sung, which is a key component of keeping oral traditions like this alive, so it seems logical to sing them. Presumably if we have the correct pronunciation it should fit to music well. Either way you’ve done a fantastic job. Thank you!
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your comment Eliza :-) I'm sure there have been people attempting to set Homeric texts in music, but don't know of any serious efforts to reconstruct a seemingly proper melodic line. I'm also experimenting with this since a couple of days (just got a kind of chelys to play with, trying things out). One of the people who've recorded a "melodised" version of some Homeric passages are mr. Hagel of Austria and mr. Philippe Brunet of France. You may find their stuff on the www. It's fascinating but I would do it in another way. Unfortunately there's no evidence around, so it's all rather the product of one's fantasy than anything else. Greetings :-)
@trackanalysis6369
@trackanalysis6369 5 жыл бұрын
Everything about this is perfect.
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 5 жыл бұрын
I'll tell my wife :-) Thanks!
@TheRealDoctorBonkus
@TheRealDoctorBonkus 8 жыл бұрын
This seems really, really weird, but I imagine this is the way Swedish sounds to foreigners. It has the same "melody" as swedish, and some of the same rolling r's and blowing sounds.
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 8 жыл бұрын
there are more listeners who said something similar. For me it's not so strange, since Scandinavians speak in the so called "melodic accent", like the ancient Greeks did. The rolling R is as always present in Greek language and the "blowing sounds" are the "spiriti asper" (δασεῖα, πνεῦμα δασύ) or the "aspirated consonants" (δασέα σύμφωνα) of the ancient language, that nowadays are pronounced as fricatives. I wouldn't call it "weird", just unusual... Well heard my friend :-) Thanks for listening.
@kapannier
@kapannier 6 жыл бұрын
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought this! Studied a bit of Swedish in uni but don't have any background in Greek, listened to this and was a bit blown away!
@kyriakosGertzikis
@kyriakosGertzikis 5 жыл бұрын
Podium-Arts "
@ludi6597
@ludi6597 6 жыл бұрын
As a Greek I am always saddened to see people bashing wonderful recordings like this. Many elements that have contributed toward reconstructions like this are pretty well attested. For example the pneumata, the meaning of perispwmene, the accents. Of course the specifics will never come to light! Greek nationalists would be less vocal, if they knew how much Erasmus was inspired and guided by the Greeks coming from Constantinople. It is a shame to attack people like this, who have poured their life into the study of our ancestors. They are our true brothers, ΝΗ ΤΟΥΣ ΘΕΟΥΣ! By the way, what reconstruction exactly is this? The Erasmian from my grandfather’s generation sounded much more German :D
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 6 жыл бұрын
You speak wisely, o! stranger. Thank you :-) Alas, not many contemporary Greeks have a clue of what their ancestors wrote about their own pronunciation. There is some history behind this cultivated ignorance, that has to do with a decision of the proper ministry at the end of 19th century, beginning of the 20th. They saw that having a common pronunciation would strengthen the cultural unity of the still young nation state, so the special advisor of the minister, the linguist Chatzidakis was his name, proposed "not to bother the young with a correct, albeit different pronunciation at school", considering that at that time almost every village had their own minor dialect and pronunciation and unalphabetism was going strong. Not a bad attitude in practical terms for those times. Of course today this is not the case any more and one should go on and tell the people how it exactly stands, something that progressively happens already at Greek schools, but the public still isn't conscious of the consequences. It is bizarre that contemporary Greeks believe that the characteristics of the reconstructed pronunciation is an attempt of "dark forces" trying to destroy the Greek language by propagating corrupt and foreign pronunciations :-D The reconstruction I'm using is the product of my own study (33 years already and going on) of at first ancient sources only, which later I compared with any other studies I could come across on the way. Of course, it doesn't need mentioning, that the basis of any reconstruction has to be modern Greek and its dialects and wherever evidence points to a difference in forms one has to take them seriously.
@ludi6597
@ludi6597 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your very informative reply. I, too, was once opposed to other pronounciations, such as erasmian, which my grandfather and uncle used, because it sounded too alien. At school (which I finished around 2000) I was never taught one bit of pronunciation. It wasn’t even mentioned that ancient pronunciation was different from Modern Greek. But there comes a time when everyone realises it must have been. Your beautiful recording was the best motivation I ever had for taking Ancient pronoucuation seriously. And it brought tears to my eyes.
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 6 жыл бұрын
It wasn't my intention to bring my listeners to tears, but this comes to mind, as Plato writes in his dialogue "Ion": «...καθορῶ γὰρ ἑκάστοτε αὐτοὺς ἄνωθεν ἀπὸ τοῦ βήματος κλάοντάς τε καὶ δεινὸν ἐμβλέποντας καὶ συνθαμβοῦντας τοῖς λεγομένοις. δεῖ γάρ με καὶ σφόδρ᾽ αὐτοῖς τὸν νοῦν προσέχειν· ὡς ἐὰν μὲν κλάοντας αὐτοὺς καθίσω, αὐτὸς γελάσομαι ἀργύριον λαμβάνων, ἐὰν δὲ γελῶντας, αὐτὸς κλαύσομαι ἀπολλύς.» :-D
@ludi6597
@ludi6597 6 жыл бұрын
: D such tears of joy and gratitude, I wished I could cry every day.
@jasondayne8260
@jasondayne8260 5 жыл бұрын
@@ludi6597 Έλεος! Από πότε είναι προαπαιτούμενο να είναι κάποιος εθνικιστής για να εκφέρει την γνώμη του σε θέματα που αφορούν την γλώσσα; Οι τύποι που αντιδρούν έντονα στο άκουσμα αυτής της προφοράς έτυχε απλά να μην έχουν ενημερωθεί ποτέ σοβαρά ως τώρα για αυτό το ενδεχόμενο και όπως είναι λογικό και αναμενόμενο, παθαίνουν σοκ. Αυτό φυσικά δεν σημαίνει σε καμμία περίπτωση ότι είναι.. εθνικιστές, φασίστες, δωσίλογοι, ταγματασφαλίτες και τα λοιπά συνεπακόλουθα παρατράγουδα! Δεν γίνεται μονίμως να τα ισοπεδώνουμε όλα εννοιολογικά σε αυτήν την χώρα. Πρέπει να υπάρχει και μία κάποια λογική συνέπεια σε αυτά που γράφουμε. Οι συγκεκριμένοι τύποι είναι ανενημέρωτοι, δεν είναι… γερμανοτσολιάδες. Ανοίγουμε και κανένα λεξικό να δούμε τι σημαίνει η λέξη Εθνικισμός πριν αρχίσουμε να γράφουμε αρλούμπες. Τις οποίες αρλούμπες φυσικά τις γράφουμε με κουτοπονηριά στα αγγλικά, διότι είμεθα και σαΐνια και απευθυνόμαστε και σε κοινό του εξωτερικού. Τέτοιες μπούρδες γράφετε ορισμένοι και μας εκθέτετε διαρκώς στο εξωτερικό ότι είμαστε φασιστικός λαός.
@pillbobaggins2766
@pillbobaggins2766 4 жыл бұрын
This is incredible, I just finished reading the E.V. Rieu English translation and it was beautiful but hearing it recited closer to how it would have been told thousands of years ago gives me goosebumps
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 4 жыл бұрын
same feeling here; the older sounds have something direct, going to the bone; but I'm talking about trying to reconstruct this older language form. Thanks for listening :-)
@Nevio857
@Nevio857 2 жыл бұрын
This is the most beautiful thing I came across today
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Chris :-)
@Nevio857
@Nevio857 2 жыл бұрын
@@Podium-arts I want to listen to every single recording you have online. I really want to learn the original pronunciation correctly. Thank you!
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 2 жыл бұрын
@@Nevio857 well, just follow the channel, or buy my audiobooks... Or come to a performance/reading
@DrxSlump
@DrxSlump 5 жыл бұрын
Sounds like Japanese being spoken by a noble person! (I speak both Greek and Japanese)
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your comment, although I haven't heard any noble Japanese person speaking. Where do I find a proper recording? you've made me curious...
@DrxSlump
@DrxSlump 5 жыл бұрын
@@Podium-arts with a quick search, this person impersonates a voice actor who usually dubs elderly characters in kids shows. He's quite close to a traditional way of speaking though the context is a bit random. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rrJ8pJqlqLi7kpc.html
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 5 жыл бұрын
@@DrxSlump after listening to him I agree that there are some striking similarities! Also because I was also supposedly impersonating an old person. Of course this isn't the voice I use normally or for TV advertisements :-D Thanks for the link.
@vilhelmvonbraun3093
@vilhelmvonbraun3093 9 жыл бұрын
I want this reading to go on for hours!
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 9 жыл бұрын
Vilhelmvonbraun Thank you, I also enjoy it this way :-)
@viperking6573
@viperking6573 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your amazing video! Do you know if there's the same sort of content for Classical Latin? Να εχετε μια ομορφη μερα!
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 4 жыл бұрын
Lots of Latin stuff, also on KZfaq ;-)
@dauidianus
@dauidianus 7 жыл бұрын
Where can I find the track that is playing in this video? I looked Vangelis' page on SoundCloud, but nothing there :(
@zhaw4821
@zhaw4821 3 жыл бұрын
It's derived from a Greek Cretan song called " Σε ψηλό βουνό " , ( in a high, tall mountain)
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 3 жыл бұрын
Τὸ ἔχει βέβαια μεταλλάξει ὁ Βαγγέλης, δὲν γνώριζα ὅμως πὼς (πιθανῶς νὰ) σχετίζεται.
@VovaSpi
@VovaSpi 8 жыл бұрын
ПЕСНЬ ПЕРВАЯ Муза, скажи мне о том многоопытном муже, который, Странствуя долго со дня, как святой Илион им разрушен, Многих людей города посетил и обычаи видел, Много и сердцем скорбел на морях, о спасенье заботясь [5] Жизни своей и возврате в отчизну сопутников; тщетны Были, однако, заботы, не спас он сопутников: сами Гибель они на себя навлекли святотатством, безумцы, Съевши быков Гелиоса, над нами ходящего бога, - День возврата у них он похитил. Скажи же об этом [10] Что-нибудь нам, о Зевесова дочь, благосклонная Муза. Все уж другие, погибели верной избегшие, были Дома, избегнув и брани и моря; его лишь, разлукой С милой женой и отчизной крушимого, в гроте глубоком Светлая нимфа Калипсо, богиня богинь, произвольной [15] Силой держала, напрасно желая, чтоб был ей супругом. Но когда, наконец, обращеньем времен приведен был Год, в который ему возвратиться назначили боги В дом свой, в Итаку (но где и в объятиях верных друзей он Всё не избег от тревог), преисполнились жалостью боги [20] Все; Посейдон лишь единый упорствовал гнать Одиссея, Богоподобного мужа, пока не достиг он отчизны. Гомер, "Одиссея" (перевод В.А. Жуковского)
@esmeraldagreen1992
@esmeraldagreen1992 4 жыл бұрын
The aspirated rho sound is still used in some dialects in Calabria and western Sicily, I remember a very old farmer who used to pronounce the Sicilian word for red "russu" as rhussu. The consonants aspiration is still prevalent in Calabria because of the many Greek colonies established there such as Sybaris, Metapontum, Reghium and others
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 4 жыл бұрын
Great news for me! Can you find any recording or video with such people talking? Thanks for attending me on this!
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 4 жыл бұрын
I actually had a listen on videos on YT. Calabrians there seem to use 3 variations of R. One of them indeed aspirated! But need more material
@esmeraldagreen1992
@esmeraldagreen1992 3 жыл бұрын
@@Podium-arts Alan Lomax did many recordings of songs and stories in Southern Italy, you can contact your state library to see if they have copies.
@esmeraldagreen1992
@esmeraldagreen1992 3 жыл бұрын
@@Podium-arts Alas no, but you could contact one of the universities in Calabria and they might be able to help you.
@esmeraldagreen1992
@esmeraldagreen1992 3 жыл бұрын
Another option would be to contact one of the Greek speaking communities in Calabria, I think they speak a form of late byzantine koine Greek, but I'm not sure.
@rt_aue
@rt_aue 10 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this.
@Memeratora
@Memeratora 3 жыл бұрын
Dude 7 years study ancient greeks, i admit you got a good accent as a foreigner well done my friend
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 3 жыл бұрын
Με βαφτίζεις ξένο;
@Memeratora
@Memeratora 3 жыл бұрын
Φίλε αν είσαι Έλλην βέρος το Θ το λες τ είναι Θ 🤣🤣🤣 και το Φ είναι Φ όχι τώρα δε θυμάμαι πως το πες 🤣🤣
@Memeratora
@Memeratora 3 жыл бұрын
@@Podium-arts επισις το δ δεν ειναι ντ αλλά δ σα τεσπα στο σχολείο έτσι τα κάναμε
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 3 жыл бұрын
Ξέρω διότι κι εγώ έτσι τα έμαθα, τί θέμα είναι τί γράψανε οι αρχαίοι για την ίδια τους την προφορά...
@Memeratora
@Memeratora 3 жыл бұрын
@@Podium-arts ενδιαφέρον φίλτατε 🤔🤔🤔 ευχαριστώ για τη διευκρίνηση,.....
@Emzo99
@Emzo99 9 жыл бұрын
I could listen to this forever... Possibly sexier than Alan Rickman's voice
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 9 жыл бұрын
+Emma Maton what a compliment :-D I wish I had 1% of is talent...
@Emzo99
@Emzo99 9 жыл бұрын
Well I doubt Alan Rickman can speak in Ancient Greek!
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 9 жыл бұрын
+Emma Maton ... we all keep learning, (even he might decide to learn something crazy), but fortunately we all have our portion of something, one great, the other less
@DranPan
@DranPan 8 жыл бұрын
+Emma Maton sEXYVOICE??????iS THAT YOUR CRETERION?
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 8 жыл бұрын
in art anything goes ;-)
@johanps4893
@johanps4893 5 жыл бұрын
The "Modern-Greek-is-the-same-as-Ancient Greek" crowd are the flat earthers of Classicism.
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 5 жыл бұрын
Terrific comparison :-D
@AK-iy2xg
@AK-iy2xg 5 жыл бұрын
I disagree completely. All of the words you see written here can be found either fully or by root in the modern Greek language. I dare you to find any, and I will show you it is as I say.
@wordart_guian
@wordart_guian 4 жыл бұрын
@@AK-iy2xg they meant in phonology...
@AK-iy2xg
@AK-iy2xg 4 жыл бұрын
βωρδάρτ this is evident. Even in Ancient Greek, we have the Ionian(attic) dialect, the Dorian, aeolian. Today, in so many different parts of Greece people express the same words with a different accent. I don’t think that this is what the person that wrote the original comment, meant. Finally, modern Greek and Ancient Greek are not very different even in phonology. Differences are there, but not in such a way that it should be highlighted.
@felipeCL73
@felipeCL73 3 жыл бұрын
Your work is truly incredible
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks again Felipe :-)
@aokaze-minotaur
@aokaze-minotaur 4 жыл бұрын
This is what I sound like after a couple of beers.
@Podium-arts
@Podium-arts 4 жыл бұрын
Holy sh@t! And it took me so many years! Why didn't you tell me earlier?
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