Ep. 47 Dolby Atmos Setup Major Mistakes | Fix your Home Theater and drop Jaws!! Home Theater Gurus
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Күн бұрын👉✅Mistakes are killing your Dolby Atmos and they are far too common. Achieve Atmos the way it SHOULD be HEARD! Home Theater Gurus top Atmos mistakes. Is a 7.1.6 worth it? Should you use wall speakers for Atmos? Dolby Atmos Major Mistakes.
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@hometheatergurus 3 ай бұрын
@@cd2920 I know but it's too late as this video is made. There's very important info here. and it's free so if you want that info you're gonna have to buckle up and suffer through.
@danielp6878 2 күн бұрын
Thank you for this video I just emailed you.
@tikkorome5752 4 ай бұрын
I'm the Dolby Atmos mastering engineer at Deadly Mix Studios. I just wanted to watch a couple videos like this to see what information consumers are getting online so that I can take it into consideration when I'm working, but I figured I should stop and mention that this is actually really good information overall for consumers. I would add, though, that your "do what sounds best" advice should definitely come with an asterisk. In the example where you said it, yes, not much else really matters if something is blocking the direct signal. Otherwise, it's VERY important that the system is setup based on math in accordance with the recommendations provided by Dolby. It is absolutely IMPERATIVE that consumers do so. In order to ensure objects appear in their intended locations, speakers need to be where your Atmos decoder (reciever/soundbar/computer/game system) expects them to be. All the speakers work together to create the sonic illusion that a given object is moving/positioned in the space around you. If a speaker is not where it's expected to be, the effect doesn't work. This is especially problematic for moving objects because the mastering engineer designed that movement to occur in specific locations over a specific period of time. If they're too close, the sound occurs in the wrong location and the time of travel remains the same, but the distance traveled is shorter, which will make the speed slower and out of focus, or won't seem to move much at all; depending on the size ofnthe error. If the distance is too far, the speed will be in the wrong location and seem faster because it travels a greater distance in the same length of time.
@hometheatergurus 3 ай бұрын
Thanks! I do agree with everything you said. I think you'd really like ep 48 and 49 where we really dig into the studio guide which in reality if far more performanced based than the sales based home guide.
@saschaanonymous2097 2 ай бұрын
Hi, im from Germany, my room have the Couch on the Back wall my Setup ist 5.2.4 with Front hights and top rear speaker. Ist this Setup working?
@khalliwallivlogs 2 ай бұрын
This is where the extraordinary Sony 360 spatial mapping come to place I believe, the avr equipped with this makes it soo much easier for the average consumer, but still just make sure the over head speakers are angled at the listening position do the 360 calibration and voila, its really something other avrs have to look into
@7071t6 2 ай бұрын
tell me this, if you have a 7.1 system like say yamaha AV4A or A6A and you have 2 fronts L+R, plus 2 middle Surround speakers L=R can you add 2 L+R rear surround speakers? So its a 7.1 with just 1 subwoofer? All well and good if you have ceiling speakers, what if you do not have them and you have just rear speakers at the back of the room in each corner? Will the yamaha 7.1 work with a 7.1 sound track movie and the rear back speakers provide effects based on the movie your watching? I have heard that it will not work for atmos, other sound effects like DTS or dolby (R) and other registered sound effects based on the type or brand of av receiver you have, as per its specs ? Also with earc now days ,if your tv has atmos it will maybe not transfer the sound though the av receiver and i has seen that if you have a yamaha to put the sound on STRAIGHT and then it will? Also i know you can do a sound test to see if the speakers are working based on your set up, but again it all depends on the av sound processing system for different effects etc? Anyone with feedback would greatly be appreciated? 👍👍🦘👌✌
@HTadd1ct Ай бұрын
@@saschaanonymous2097get your couch off the wall and only then you can discuss 4 atmos. If you don't believe me these videos are why
@samgipson8735 2 жыл бұрын
I watch the video and moved my speakers around ran room correction. It made a huge difference in discrete sounds and atmospheric sounds and music. I have a unfinished basement ceiling and I’m so glad I haven’t finished it yet because I probably would’ve never change them if I had to run wire and replace drop ceiling panels. I can’t believe the difference. I couldn’t find my laser so I used a tape measure extended from SPEAKER and pointed it at the listening position to get my aim right. Right now I’m using small box speakers. When I get the ceiling done I’m going to purchase ceiling speakers that are able to be aimed at the listing position. Thanks so much for sharing your expertise. This is really a game changer! Night and day difference. I never really heard the atmospherics until I change my speaker position and angles🤯
@hometheatergurus 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome... I think this comment deserves to be pinned at the top!! :)
@reggiemurphy7028 2 жыл бұрын
Yep. I agree. Fantastic video
@mikejohnson8391 2 жыл бұрын
@@hometheatergurus understand told items with THX logo like sound systems speakers sound better can produce more true Atmos or DTS:X experience so they claim means processors for audio playback was tested by DOLBY AND THX see if it meet there standards which is rare. If like video games be sure get lazy boy chairs which can butt kickers so feel and hear action. App for them goes from 100 wats and up power wise.
@qua7771 Жыл бұрын
As a Floridian, I'm envious of people who have the basements. I always have to convert a room, and end up trying to solve all kinds of limitation issues with spaces that were never intended to be media rooms. Nonetheless, its always a treat to hear about someone else's project, and progress. I hope yours is going well.
@mustangfred2006 2 жыл бұрын
I have been researching this speaker placement for several weeks now. I am only running a 5.1.2 setup and have multiple marks on my ceiling as to where to place my Focal Dome's for my top front. Got the lazer out to place them exactly in line with my front mains and rear surrounds. I watched this video at a good time cuz I was finally gonna screw them in tonight. Thank you so much for this video. Makes a lot of sense. Thank you!
@JeanSebastienGrise Жыл бұрын
Thanks to your advices I moved my top channels from a 90 angle to 60 degree angle instead of having them in line with the mains as suggested by Dolby home setup. What a difference, while listening to Audiosphere demo I was trying to reach for the sound with my hands. Thanks man!
@hometheatergurus Жыл бұрын
Awesome. It's crazy how much of a difference it makes.
@Dave-we1yl 2 жыл бұрын
This is the single most upgrade I’ve done to my home theater for the greatest result. And it didn’t cost me a dime. If you haven’t done this you are missing out on a great experience. Thank you
@hometheatergurus Жыл бұрын
Great feedback Dave! It's hard to put into words how huge a difference placement and setup is with Atmos.
@louietheo4449 2 жыл бұрын
This is the most informative no BS video I’ve seen on this topic. So much learnt from this video that I had no idea about - and now I understand why I am so underwhelmed with my atmos setup. My speaker choice and placement is all wrong, but now I know how to fix it. Thank you
@hometheatergurus 2 жыл бұрын
You're very welcome! Report back once you get them in place. We're also on Facebook.
@doublesynchrohelix8613 Жыл бұрын
Obviously with floor standing speakers, subs, even wall mounted speakers (to a degree), we can move them around the room, run correction again, run REW, and move things over and over. With holes in the ceiling, that's not exactly an option, unless you have a drop ceiling I guess you have some trial and error and replacement without breaking the bank or getting divorced... This single video changed my whole understanding (cost me a bit more money when I thougt my gear collection was over, lol) but super glad I watched this right before install up top. Was literally about to router my ceiling holes when I wanted to triple check KZfaq for any last bits of advice. Just ordered my middle Atmos row, comes tomorrow, all 6 holes will be cut by then! Thanks, sincerely, this video is gold to me and you have a new subscriber and donor.
@cableguydan 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, Steven. A real breath of fresh air - a video purely based on accurate information. I installed my height speakers (top front / top rear) back in around 2018 and fell for one of those Dolby images (I should have read the supporting documents better) and installed in ceiling speakers firing straight down. I calculated the correct angles from the MLP, but fired them straight down. 🤦♂️ I hope your video spreads far and wide. Many people say how useless Atmos is, yet they purchased the cheapest in ceiling speakers they could get (because height channels don’t matter, right?!?!?) and didn’t follow the correct angles. Doh. ☺️
@hometheatergurus 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Dan and yeah hopefully this saves a few people. :)
@kevinmansell8746 Жыл бұрын
@@hometheatergurus so which is best Stereo or Surround
@kevinmansell8746 Жыл бұрын
@@hometheatergurus my Stereo comes with a 4 speaker Sub Woofer Sharp System with Surround 2 speakers stereo is not huge but it is a very powerful sound system
@colindixon806 Жыл бұрын
WOW! I have a very small room, just 13' x 10' and 7'6" high ceiling. Using 7.1.2. Just moving my speakers up 1' and changing the angle in to the listener, instead of the opposite the front speakers, made a HUMOUNGOUS difference to the Atmos sound. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I'm now looking to upgrade to a 7.1.4 and know exactly where I will place my ceiling speakers!!!
@ajsdfk Жыл бұрын
Thank you. I'm building a home theater right now. Running wire tonight. And what Gene was telling me six months ago about Atmos placement makes sense now.
@jsngb12 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!!! I placed my top mids according to your measurements and very pleased with the sound im getting. Its a very different experience for sure. I can now distinguish and feel the sounds coming off those speakers.
@NES088 2 жыл бұрын
You've perfectly addressed 2 issues I've been dealing with, the confusion with Dolby's pdf regarding the width of the height speakers, it looked like it was contradicting itself and I wasn't sure which to follow, it made more sense to me to go angle based rather than based on the width of your mains, but you reaffirmed this with logic. Also with the tone winner channel limitations, I've been non stop thinking of choosing either wides or middle heights, but your explanation points out that I'm really choosing to fill either a 90 degree gap or 60 degree gap, looking at it this way makes it an obvious choice, thank you so much for breaking down the science.
@hometheatergurus 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks and yep sounds like your the guy that watched the whole video...😀. I'm glad you found it helpful. It's always best to understand your hobby vs blindly doing things and never know if it's right or wrong.
@scottnorris9079 2 жыл бұрын
Also (and somebody correct me if I’m wrong) but from what I understand, width speakers don’t work with the Dolby upmixer, so bang for your buck mids are better because you’ll be using them for non native Atmos mixes
@hometheatergurus 2 жыл бұрын
@@scottnorris9079 Dolby's upmixer DSU has supported wides since an update that began getting pushed out around November of 2020. So I'd does upmix to wides and is freaking fantastic. As for wides vs top mids, if you have the atmos spaced out 90 or more then yeah top mids make sense. If you're placed per the video with 4 atmos grouped closer than wides are without a doubt the way to go.
@scottnorris9079 2 жыл бұрын
Home Theater Gurus that’s good to know. I’m a mlp focused kinda guy, no back row of anything, so I can get the heights in spec. Perhaps wides it is! Thanks for the info
@airman6822 2 жыл бұрын
One of the main reasons I replaced my system was to add atmos. I have a finished basement and put my atmos speakers where it was convenient at the time and was underwhelmed with the results. I have been watching your other videos and have been moving speakers around using string to aim them. Now it's time to move my atmos speakers and they are located way different from the original position based on this lesson. Cant wait to run room correction and see the difference. I have been really enjoying your channel, thanks to Youthman who sent me here. Thanks for all the advice!
@hometheatergurus 2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome and report back once you get them and moved. I'm compiling the feedback... 😁
@TJWood 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this great information. I am fortunate enough to be at the start of a fresh build in which I've got a dedicated 12.8 ft (Screen wall), 29.5 ft long and 7.9 ft roof height (looks weird as i converted from the metrics that we use to the closest feet) to play with. I'm currently debating everything such as suitable screens, amp, speakers and speaker locations and this information helps immensely. I've not setup a new room since my original 5.1 era and I think that a decent supporting amp and speaker setup to support Atmos is the go in 2022. I am still learning such as supporting 2 or 4 atmos speakers etc but I'll get there.
@ejim941099 2 жыл бұрын
This is probably one of the best explanations of installing, reasons, etc of atmos/speakers for home theater.
@gbaker6478 2 жыл бұрын
I listen to what everyone has to say, that being said I always come back to you for accurate information on how and where, great job as always. Thanks again.
@hometheatergurus 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Graham!
@shreesaiyt 2 жыл бұрын
Really important video I had came acrossed while redesigning my home theatre. Hope will get those jaw dropping effect from my Atmos! Thanks in advance!
@doublesynchrohelix8613 Жыл бұрын
Thanks man... you cost me another $1100 right when I thought I was done to buy top middles lol... i had 2 extra amp channels and 2 more channels in my MC1 processor I wasn't going to use but EXACTLY as you said... "you don't need top middles in a small room" is all I heard in fact Jonathon on Youthman's 3 guy podcast style vid just last week said "you won't gain anything from adding a middle atmos row" when someone in the chat asked the exact question addressed here. As soon as you pull out the white board and explain the angles, my whole world came together with a sigh of relief as FINALLY making sense! Between conficting KZfaq vids, (especially) Dolby's literature, and chatting with friends who have Atmos, I was in a constant gray area of understanding... the thing with this Ep. 47 is, we don't have to take your word for it, the angles and gaps if voids of channels are left, or speakers are placed on walls, etc, it just makes sense physically! We just needed someone to explain it better as you have and I thank you.
@DavidGonzalez-rs3kt 2 жыл бұрын
Blessings and Thank You for taking the time to go into detail about the importance of properly placing Atmos speakers, amazing, peace
@hometheatergurus 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks David, Glad you found it useful!
@josephfranzen5626 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Steve, I saw your video this morning and I’ve got two pairs of Martin Logan Motion 4’s on mounts for my top fronts and top rears. In ceiling speakers aren’t an option in my room, I’ve done them to Dolby white paper spec and the effect was meh. A few months ago I changed them to very closely reflect your spec and the difference was night and day. What I truly enjoy about your videos is that you show empirical evidence on the how and why not just “do this and trust me.” It’s refreshing and I appreciate the work you put in!
@hometheatergurus 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Joseph, I figure this hobby is too expensive to not really understand the goals. The info is out there it's just so often ignored or not understood, even by pros.
@evilawkeye2215 2 жыл бұрын
What a great video, wish I had watched this years ago! Definitely going to review my speaker positioning again. It just makes sense the way you explain it!
@hometheatergurus 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome. If possible go straight for the 35 out I recommended and no farther. If you're doing 4 up top go about 35 -40 forward. Then report back. I'm compiling all the feedback on an AVS thread.
@julesvreug Жыл бұрын
Great video. I was questioning my setup which I followed the Dolby atmos guide but remember looking at Trinnov, Yamaha etc and measured eveything out i think back then on google sketch and using a laser measurer etc, my angles are spot on This was back in 2016 when building the house. My room is a odd size have a rear 4 seater and two single reclyners. My front height are mounted in the front corners pointed down, Rear heights are around 1300m from rear wall and about 300mm in from wall mounted in the ceiling with tweeters pointed to the center (rear seat), but watching your video the angles apear spot on. I cant recall looking at angles but must of as front to rear height is exactly 90degrees listner to front is exactly 35. My rear mains are in the rear corners these are floor standing towers with the tweeters at ear height. Fronts are in corner, have front left and right subs and a rear center (more for rumble). Everything sounds pin point acurate except the center ch as this is bellow the projector screen and my rear heights seem to not match the upgraded floors as its only a 6.5" yamaha and may need to go to a 8", the front height are a Jamo C9 so ok. Im looking at having two rows of seats in the future rear raised. Hopping the setup is still going to be good. not sure if its worth going from a 5.2.4 to a 7.2.6 or what ever will be any bennifit?
@heasoundsystems 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for a very straight-forward explanation that brings the important points together. Love your videos!
@hometheatergurus 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@stephenyoud6125 2 жыл бұрын
I calculate the angles and distances quickly on my phone calculator using the Tan and Inverse Tan functions. Rotate the phone to landscape format to flip it from basic to scientific mode and access all the Sin, Cos and Tan functions. Rem the Tan of the Angle = the ratio of the distance OPPOSITE the angle (the ceiling distance forwd or back from above the seating position) divided by the distance ADJACENT to the angle ie ( the distance from the seating position to the ceiling, or wall). So for a 30 deg angle for/backwards at a ceiling height above ear level of 1.67 metres, you take the Tan of 30 and multiply by 1.67m to get 96 cm. (for and backwards from the seating position. I calculated all my ATMOS speaker angles from our new house building plans. if you have a known speaker position already (distance from an overhead or centreline "O") and a height or wall distance ("A")and want to find the angle. Divide O /A and use the Inverse Tan (on iPhone press the 2nd button on the Scientific calculator and then Tan (which then appears as Tan-1, to get the Angle that that speaker position makes. I reckon on ear level being about 1m above the floor. And an aide memoir for calculating angles of right angled triangles, where Sin = O/H, Cos = A/H and Tan =O/A is: Six Old Hags Came And HadTea One Afternoon, O = the side opposite the Angle, A = the side adjacent and H = Hypotenuse
@darrenkeogh3321 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Steven! another great informative video…well done! I’ve finally pulled the trigger on a AVM-60, just wow 😯 Loving it 😘 Keep the great videos coming mate. 👍🏼🍻
@hometheatergurus 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Darren!
@craiglamb9029 2 жыл бұрын
I too made the mistake of following the Atmos setup diagram. I ended up being dissatisfied and saw the DTSX demo rooms. Realizing they have the height speakers aimed at the listening positions. I learned not to use downfiring speakers. Ended up removing them and getting some higher end bipole speakers and mounting them on my ceiling around 45° @MLP. The baffle is already angled. Made all the difference in immersion.
@hometheatergurus 2 жыл бұрын
yep, That diagram needs to be updated quick.
@EricMulder1 Жыл бұрын
Bit of an odd situation: the room I'm planning to build has a 9' ceiling for most of the room, but from the back wall, to about 4 feet out, I have the HVAC bulkhead running which reduces the ceiling height to 8'. How would I calculate the rear atmos placement for this situation?
@netster Жыл бұрын
This video is incredible! Now I get a clearer picture how to place the speaker. Thank You for making this. I will have to watch this many times over to grasp the calculations.
@hometheatergurus Жыл бұрын
See ep 49.
@netster Жыл бұрын
@@hometheatergurus I watched it three times last night and I'm still planning to continue watching it. I need to start from EP1. I stumbled upon your video while researching how to set up Dolby Atmos 7.1.3 and considering purchasing the Onkyo TX-RZ50. Thank you so much for creating the video!
@sherazdotnet 2 жыл бұрын
as always very informative. Thx. FYI: I have 4 Devastators V5 using 21" Lavoce each and absolutely love them. Room is 19x12x8 sealed dedicated room and my room gets very nicely pressurized :-).
@hometheatergurus 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I filmed the Dev assembly last weekend. I'm just waiting on the drivers to finish the video. Looking forward to getting those beasts fired up!
@0-60STYLE Жыл бұрын
Glad I stumbled upon this and thank you for taking the time to share your expertise dude for real
@hometheatergurus Жыл бұрын
Thanks and you're welcome. Make sure and see the newer videos as i have one with a one page diagram i made to quickly lay them out.
@sujovian 5 ай бұрын
this was super helpful. My biggest takeaway is that if I'm forced to elevate my bed layer, I can cheat the overhead layers toward the center to compensate
@timothyclauw7035 2 жыл бұрын
Great video and very informative. If I’ve set up my heights(svs prime Elevations mounted to my ceiling) per your videos and Dolby Atmos , should I assign in my Denon 4500 as top front and rears which is in the correct placement but only will output Dolby Atmos old dts-x or should I assign as front and rear HEIGHTS , to gain Auro 3D ? I’m not really noticing an overall immersive experience. Thank you for all of your videos and knowledge you share to help out the dedicated enthusiasts.
@sonnyblu6299 2 жыл бұрын
Since my (new) AVR is not allowing me to adjust the independent volume levels of my full range, down firing, in the corners, Height speakers (for reasons unknown) I switched the settings from Height to Dolby ATMOS... AND this gives me the balance I was looking for. They are not firing at the ceiling... they are down firing from the corners to my listening location. It's working well... LOL Just had never checked doing this before. I also do not have my Mains placed directly below the heights like you mention... this just happened by chance... But Yes... I completely understand and enjoy the better dispersion of this placement. Don't know why Dolby say's place everything in line... I like the adage... If you want sound coming from a certain area... put a speaker there! Don't bounce it off the ceiling. Thank you for this video.
@MrBonger88 2 жыл бұрын
There’s still so much misinformation out there. I don’t know how many times I’ve seen people telling others that the ceiling speakers need to be inline with the main speakers. I would have done just that if I hadn’t seen this video. Thanks for this. Very informative
@hometheatergurus Жыл бұрын
yep that is one of the goofiest placement ideas I've seen. Absolutely zero known angle and most often unless you have a really tall ceiling they are always placed way to wide and smearing with the bed layer. There's a reason that only exist in dotted lines and not in any written wording. It's almost like someone got confused when they made the diagrams.
@tonystoll32 2 жыл бұрын
@Home Theater Gurus - Great video as always! I appreciate the knowledge. By any chance will you do a video like this for DTS-X & Auro3D speaker placements/setups? Thanks.
@hometheatergurus 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Tony! I may do those in the future.
@iSleepDoc 2 жыл бұрын
Another great video 👏👏👏👏👏 Coincidentally on the same pattern, I used my physics /sound and optics knowledge to set up my system a year ago….thanks for your great info..🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
@matsudakodo 2 жыл бұрын
How?
@thebrowncinema 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! Wish these types of videos were out when I built my room! Next house I will take more time to plan everything out!
@hometheatergurus 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Yeah we don't know what we don't know. It's always a great idea to have a pro do a room layout design. Hint hint...:)
@radolszewski3891 4 ай бұрын
Outstanding help! I truly appreciate all you do!
@mutatedgenome 2 жыл бұрын
New intro. Getting fancy now. 😀 Thanks for the content!
@hometheatergurus 2 жыл бұрын
Ha.. Well I have a client that does editing for a living and he did some magic on the video. If I did that intro it would be in crayons...😀
@JJ-jl2sg 2 жыл бұрын
Great vid, thank you for informing us. If I put my front and rear atmos angles at 35° and used an RSL type of good inexpensive speaker or similar w/15° angled speaker, wouldn’t I still be off vertical axis by 20°. So should I try to match my angles and speakers, like 45° angles and 45° angle speakers, 35° to 35°, etc?
@ramonbmovies Жыл бұрын
Good video. I'll check placement of my atmos channels, as I swear I don't hear them most of the time, but when I put my ear right up to them they're working. I've always figured it was a placement issue. All I know is that when I go to the theater, I see 4 surrounds on the left, 4 on the right, and 4 in the back. That's in addition to the mains, center and the subs in the front. The ceiling is so high that I can't imagine they put speakers on the ceiling. In my estimation, theaters only have speakers on all 4 walls, high up, facing downward. I bet the speaker specs are basically full range, high power - because sometimes I see the woofers if the lighting is just right and they're at least 10", maybe 12" woofers. So that's 12 speakers just for the surrounds, each w/ a 12" woofer. Again, not including the mains, center and subs behind the screen.
@hometheatergurus Жыл бұрын
Thanks! See the newest video as I actually go more in depth with placement and we look at a cinema layout just to compare.
@Sean_y4k2l5 4 ай бұрын
what a great video, thank you. this answers exactly the questions that were on my mind
@chrisbrown2174 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great video. I just installed my in ceiling Atmos speakers 2 weeks ago in preparation for my 7.2.4 Denon 4700H and Tonewinner AD7300 setup. Had such a good explanation of placement been available earlier I may have made some changes. I am 90% of the way there. I will review my angles and see how close I came to ideal. I thought 7.2.6 would have been overkill but now that you explain it I can see the value of the middle pair of Atmos speakers. Maybe a future upgrade will include a 13ch processor and another Tonewinner amp 😉
@hometheatergurus 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Chris. There was a time I thought the same thing. :)
@TheReverendSlim 2 жыл бұрын
Bear in mind that there is a big issue with x.x.6 in the home, which is that a great number of home Atmos mixes are encoded as 9 pre-panned static objects (7 ear level and 2 heights) rather than fully dynamic objects. For instance, Ready Player One uses two static objects for heights with objects only moving slightly during the movie due to object grouping. The issue here is that with a x.x.6 layout, these two static heights will typically ONLY play back from the top mid speakers. Top Front and Top Rear will remain completely silent for the entire movie. Where x.x.4 may be better in this case is that these two static height objects will image at the top mid position, meaning top front and top rear will play this content back at equal levels, which can effectively sound better across multiple rows. Contrast that with a fully dynamic mix like Midway, which uses 7 ear level, 2 static heights, plus dynamically moving objects. In this case, the static heights still play back only from the top mid in a x.x.6 layout... but any dynamic objects can pass through any available speaker in the room, so the top front and rear still get used.
@matsudakodo 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheReverendSlim very interesting, thanks for that.
@wallyeng 9 ай бұрын
Thank you for this video! I learned so much from this and have been looking for exactly this kind of help!
@hometheatergurus 9 ай бұрын
You're welcome. Make sure and check out ep 49 as it's more to the point with atmos placement and has a quick formula to help you place them.
@WilliamAEMay 2 жыл бұрын
Great videos. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. I have a room that is 15' x 10.5' and I have enough speakers to easily build a 9.4.6 Atmos system. There is nothing in the room except a love seat. All the audio/video gear is in a gear room beside the room I am considering using. You have said that surround wides and Atmos center speakers make a big difference. Thoughts?
@jadan2000 2 жыл бұрын
I'm so glad you designed my room! Atmos and surrounding sound was kinda bad before you helped me out.
@hometheatergurus 2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad we got to design it together as well. This was a peak from the inside. :)
@diamondjiwanpuri 2 жыл бұрын
@@hometheatergurus Hi again, how can I get the room design (speakers placements) from you? I would love to get the proper dimensions and angles. Thanks
@audfrknaveen2256 2 жыл бұрын
Great video as always !!! 😀👍👍
@pkhammu2005 2 жыл бұрын
Great video,have seen so many high profile installers blindly following Dolby diagram. Am surprised even Trinnov engineer agreed to this layout in a podcast with Sparechange. Only Anthony Grimani said what u r saying
@hometheatergurus 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Yeah I see very few "high end" designers that actually seem to understand the goal. Grimani is awesome and leans on the science and not a one page diagram. Gotta love that!
@amdenis 2 жыл бұрын
Great video- it’ll be very useful to many, and clears up various misinfo/disinfo. I’m glad you state in the beginning that placement (angular and otherwise), depends on the specific speaker. We work with speakers like the Ocean Way HR4’s which are about 110 by 45 degrees +/- 1 dB from about 40 Hz to 22kHz and various Martin Logans like the Vanquish HP in ceiling’s that are about +/- 2.5 dB 40Hz to 22kH at about 85 x 40 degrees. Big difference between them and let’s say the Focal Solo 6’s, Barefoot, Klipsch or PMC or others in terms of sweep angles that are optimal or even viable for placement, as well as what happens when you skew to the listener across the speaker’s horizontals. One thing that I find is very important, and which many who are mixing ATMOS (not even counting those who mix ATMOS in binaural on headphones), is that the LFE for music is handled massively different from mixing for movies in the Dolby Renderer and into the DAW. In fact, many of us doing ATMOS and other immersive mixing work mix via objects rather than to the Bed (i.e. not channeled to the bed in the renderer, but sent to objects instead), which has major implications in terms of effectively ignoring LFE metadata in most mix configs and situations. Then NAD, Trinnov, Focal, Marantz and others vary both the setting options as well as what they mean. So, my advice generally is to try to opt for wide dispersion pattern monitors and speakers, and consider the average listener position rather than the extremes in most situations. There are other tricks you can play psychoacoustically in terms of DSP, room materials/surfaces, etc, but for many those are not realistic options. Anyway, just my opinion from the limited, maybe 8 years of ATMOS experience. In any case, I am thankful it generally keeps improving both on the mixing/mastering and the consumer/end-user levels.
@hometheatergurus Жыл бұрын
Very True, unfortunately manufactures throw around the term wide dispersion as it sells and many don't even understand what the difference in controlled dispersion vs wide dispersion as the two mean very different things. I did a video a few years back that touched on it but should probably do an updated one.
@beyondnoyeb 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video, one of the best I’ve seen outlining all this. While I know lcr placement wouldn’t be as fun a video, do you have a similar video for them? I am building a full triad room as well with the gold lcr, so super in line with your current build.
@hometheatergurus 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Yeah ep1 covers that but be warned it was my first video and isn't going to win any awards.. :)
@jbh199 2 жыл бұрын
Great informative video, how can I maximize my Samsung HW 950n soundbar. I don't feel I'm getting best surround or atmos from it. The 4k player is dolby atmos, rv is not. Any thoughts would be appreciated, thanks
@tom6363 Жыл бұрын
I have sloped ceilings which flattens out at 8' peak height but the level area at top is only a little less than 5' wide. My Atmos speakers would need to only be 4'+ separation side to side (horizontal) but have plenty of space vertical separation (total 4 speakers). I plan to use angled baffles to tweeters to aim at the MLP. So my question is will I still get a good height experience with the the Atmos speakers being only 4' spacing between them horizontally? My calculations would show I need to place them about 3' in front and back of the MLP. Thanks. Really enjoy your videos.
@jimgrimm2874 Жыл бұрын
This is so damned good! I'm nowhere near ready to install a wicked theater system but I find this theory unreasonably interesting 🤟
@hometheatergurus Жыл бұрын
Thanks Jim!!!
@TheSuzukik5 Жыл бұрын
Awesome and really well explained video, thank you, Just a quick question, I’m converting a very small room to a home cinema 7.1 and atmos, Problem is the length of my 8’ high ceiling is only 12’ x 9’ wide I’m not sure with that size if I should run 2 4 or 6 atmos, Any advice would be most helpful, Thank you in advance.
@FURognar 2 жыл бұрын
I am going to go with a Top-Middle because I want to do Front Height and Rear Height to use Auro3D upmixer with my non-Atmos content (of which there is a LOT). I recently helped a friend of mine set his system up with front and rear heights (he already had the speakers and didnt want to mount on the ceiling) and we compared Native Atmos with Ready Player One to upmix with Auromatic and the upmix was phenomenal. It almost kept up with the native Atmos. His room is small enough that the height position gets him closer to the proper angles but I feel he does have a hole right in the middle, but its the limitstions of what he was willing to do. I got him to upgrade from a Atmos enabled ceiling bounce. His current speaker positions actually sound pretty good. We tested it with a bunch of different Atmos and DTSX discs and his height layer sounds quite good. Using 7.4.4. So that convinced me to do 7.4.6 for my own dedicated build using heights to be able to access Auro3D/Auromatic and to use Top-Middles to fill in the hole.
@hometheatergurus 2 жыл бұрын
Front and Rear Heights are actually Atmos locations and share most of their degree windows with top front and top rear. Many people don't realize that. Check out ep 3 where we dive into the dolby pdf showing the placement options of atmos. But yes it is a version of a 7.1.6 and sounds very good. Just make sure to get that separation from the bedlayer. The height options don't sound as good at the lower end of their tolerances.
@johngibbons579 Жыл бұрын
Any recommendations for a small space where MLP’s are backed right up against a wall? I’m running a 5.1.4 and my Rear surrounds are kind of planted in line with the couch and the rear atmos are attached to the wall close to the ceiling and do not have much separation (looking for ceiling speaker options as well) Also - I find the bass very “boomy” against the wall as opposed to if I E.g lean forward and away from the wall. Thank you
@paulbateson4696 Жыл бұрын
Great videos. I'm in new Zealand and about to plan my movie room as the roof just went on the house. If you only have 2 or for ceiling speakers. Where is the best position? Do I run top middle of and top front? Then just use rear surrounds on the bed layer? I was thinking top front and topbrear at about 30 deg from MLP. I'm only going to run 5.1.4 I think but I will prewire for the two rear surrounds in case cheers
@warrenxanthos8241 Жыл бұрын
Great video! Great information! I would love to see it in a SketchUp file! Or even more ambitious, in a Fusion 360 file. Then you could change room dimensions and the speakers would move accordingly!
@PTL4179 Жыл бұрын
Better yet if audioadvise free design tool can integrate the atmos speaker placement into their current app
@shakenasty Жыл бұрын
Awesome video, very informative, thank you
@kevinstone2275 2 жыл бұрын
Ugh, this is a great video. And I just ran speaker wires in walls to rear and ceiling speakers based on that dang dolby diagram (I deep dived into every combo they had but still didn't understand it until your video), but I think I'm not too far off the angles. But now I have my architect software up, some paper, pen and protractor trying to double check. Also - thanks for pointing out those amps that can run the higher # of channels. I could not find a good amp that did enough, so I bailed on more than 2 ceiling speakers. I'm sub'd your channel, will be watching it a lot. And even though drywall just went in, I'll run wires across the ceiling if I have to at this point if I can get this right with more height speakers. Awesome info.
@Finn-McCool 2 жыл бұрын
This has shined a light on the inadequacy of my set-up. My ceiling is only 7' so my front heights especially, need to be moved from the front wall out into the room along the ceiling. As it stands, the angle of attack from my ears to the center of the speaker is ridiculous. My front heights are approximately only 4' above my ears but 8' in front of my ears. The horizontal spread is probably fine. But I need to remember that as I move them in to the room along the ceiling I need to move them toward my ears along that plane rather than simply moving them off of the wall at 90° in order to get the preferred angle of attack from speaker to ear. Thanks for this info. It really clicked when you mentioned angles are ultimately the crucial parameter. Not distance or height necessarily. An inclinometer and a laser pointer with some duct tape make for a great little tool for all of these placement shenanigans. Thanks for the videos. Learned a lot. -👍🏼
@hometheatergurus 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Fin!
@Finn-McCool 2 жыл бұрын
@@hometheatergurus I have a question regarding the changes I need to make in my speaker placement. Is it necessary to tell my processor that my configuration is now (FC-RC) rather than the (FH-RH) that I have chosen in the processor menu? Moving from Front and Rear Height to Front and Rear Ceiling seems like I should choose that particular configuration in the menu. Right? I am not using in-ceiling speakers I only own the on wall "style" of Atmos speakers. Namely some inexpensive old Polk M5 speakers. Big brother to the M3ll I suppose and probably Polk's early version of their Atrium line. Only chosen because I have 6 old Polk RT55 as my base layer with a CS400 center channel. They have similar speakers from the same era so I assumed the timbre would hold up. Sorry to be so wordy with my question. I suppose I should set my processor both ways and see which one sounds best ultimately. -✌🏼
@hometheatergurus 2 жыл бұрын
@@Finn-McCool see ep 3. The tolerances for heights and tops actually overlap mostly as front to back degrees. But yes I would label them exactly based on where they are angle and placement wise.
@Finn-McCool 2 жыл бұрын
@@hometheatergurus Fantastic, thanks. -👍🏼
@jamesphillips9128 Жыл бұрын
Thanks another great video... I've taken the time to do the angles system design is looking a lot better ... Cheers
@gingerninja7187 2 жыл бұрын
Great information,I’ve never seen such a detailed video before, surely the guys at Dolby giving us the speaker placement guide should do more to help , like yourself, I can imagine people at home will be taking measurements right now, some of the people on KZfaq say you can have to many speakers , the problem is it all depends on the size and shape,from your video i gather the ideal distance is 45 degrees from speaker to speaker , give or take a bit 🤷♂️
@hometheatergurus 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ninja!
@williamedwards3002 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing video!!!! I’m hanging my 7.2.4 speakers today in my theater! If my rear atmos speakers are fixed at 45degrees to MLP due to room constraints, is it okay to bring my top fronts back to 55degrees to lessen the sweep angle btw the front and rear atmos? I know this puts my top fronts closer to me than the top rears, but I’m trying to make up for not having a top middle by bringing my current tops closer together Thank you so much! Love the channel!
@hometheatergurus 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks and yes pull them closer to the top rears.
@adamjj85 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! With regards to two rows of seating, I noticed you were basing all angles off of the first row. I was doing mine based on the midpoint between the first and second row to try and give even preference between each row. Any issues with that?
@hometheatergurus 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Adam, Multiple rows gets a little deep but ideally you'll pick a MLP as you must have a point to lay all of the angles on. The location of the mains, rears, surrounds and atmos are based on this point. Even the screen size is based on the MLP. The other rows will have some compromises but there are ways to still achieve awesome sound to all rows. As for mid point between two rows, unfortunately that means no speakers are in tolerance for any row.
@dennisbohner6876 2 жыл бұрын
Does anyone have an opinion on omni speakers being used in a system? I have done this and am pleased by the effects. It certainly allows for my tiny rooms acoustics (about a ten-foot cube). If you have the proper sized room, I could be jealous.
@davemccague222 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video. You’re so correct placement is everything. It would be great if you could give us a tour of your beautiful home theatre. Keep up the great work
@hometheatergurus 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Dave. You know I may shoot a walkthrough this weekend...
@davemccague222 2 жыл бұрын
@@hometheatergurus that would be awesome! Can’t wait!
@joshuaholder6818 Жыл бұрын
Thanks again for another great video!
@googleuser1522 4 ай бұрын
Great video! Thanks for the info
@glengatt3941 2 жыл бұрын
I use M1 for sealing you can aim those and I can't make holes, sometimes you have to compromise if you don't have the space,my room is 13 f long 13 f wide and 10f high plus furniture and is my bedroom I managed to get a 7.2.4 lots of moving tweaking
@TheGreatBobby 2 жыл бұрын
The ideal Atmos setup for my room is 5.1.2 with only two in-ceiling speakers right above the main listening position. Will this perfect reasonably well, or should I consider 5.1.6 with the additional height channels being up-firing speakers? Any thoughts on that would be appreciated. (My ceiling is 7' high, so quite low.)
@talkenrain842 2 жыл бұрын
Useful and logical. Looks like the mount angle necessary for most atmos setups is pretty substantial... Wondering what (if any) are good in-ceiling speakers for atmos that can be angled as drastic as necessary and still get the wife approval?
@hometheatergurus 2 жыл бұрын
Yep we actually talk about a few good ones in the video.
@evilawkeye2215 2 жыл бұрын
@Home Theater Gurus what can you suggest for speaker placement in a small box room where the seating position is against the rear wall?
@vinhle3272 2 жыл бұрын
Hi. Thanks for your videos. Please help. I have 7.1.2 with anthem avm70. The 2 atmos speakers on the front towers don't give good sound. After watching your videos I want to hang them on ceiling on brackets, facing seats. These only 2 height speakers, should I place them at at top middle position, directly above heads or at top front 45° from LCR? My seats 15" to LCR. 9" ceiling. Thank you very much.
@northeastcorals 2 жыл бұрын
Get in, I've missed the whiteboard! 😅 Thanks for the great content as usual 👍
@hometheatergurus 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Gaz and I've missed the white board too. :).
@MarymMatthews 2 жыл бұрын
Very helpful video as always. If you could have only one, which would you prefer: wides (9.x.4) or top middles (7.x.6)?
@hometheatergurus 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Marym, top mid (7.1.6) for the reasons at the end of the video.
@brianharris5446 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the great content! Unfortunately I followed the bad Dolby Atmos advice and my 4 Atmos speakers are placed too wide apart from my MLP. For those that don't have an option to move the speakers, is there a recommendation to compensate, if even a little? For example, would a db bump help (say +3-5db)?
@bomberman21321 11 ай бұрын
Hello, How would you calculate the width apart of the mid tops at 90 degrees? I want to setup mid tops and front tops, would the mids width be parallel to the front mids? Lets assume the top fronts each 3 feet apart from the center, would the mids also be 3 feet apart? Thank you.
@agordon7369 2 жыл бұрын
Great explanation on the spatial separation. I have a big issue with my room and don’t know the best way to fix it. Unfortunately my room has a vaulted ceilings and because of the screwy layout the ceiling rises from left to right on roughly a 4/12 pitch and ends at around 12 feet. So my right side is around 4 feet taller then my left so not only would I be dealing with the angle to the seat from front to back/back to front but now also trying to get from left to right/right to left.
@sjsphotog 2 жыл бұрын
I have thes gsme issue with angled vaulted ceilings
@agordon7369 2 жыл бұрын
@@sjsphotog I may look into some satellite speakers like the ones from svs since they are in an angled box they may point straight down once mounted on the ceiling
@bigdreams5554 2 жыл бұрын
7th time watching it. It's finally sinking in. :) Thanks for your help.
@bigmike4133 Жыл бұрын
What height channel do you assign to the top middle in a Dolby Atmos setup? Do you use either of the middle left or middle right height channels and configure it in the processor as a top middle?
@Oleksandr-Audioholic Жыл бұрын
Super clear and useful explanation. Thanks a lot
@hometheatergurus Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@troyschouest4359 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic content!
@hometheatergurus 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Troy! And thanks for the editing magic.
@markmcalister4478 Жыл бұрын
Very informative and really makes sense.
@hometheatergurus Жыл бұрын
Thanks Mark!
@texxhexxmm 5 ай бұрын
When you say 1m to the Side Angle and 1m Forward ,so 45° ..do you measure from the tweeter? I have Nubert Nuline ws14 ,which are built Like a Center speaker.So my Center with 1m apart would be the middle of that speaker
@naumanrahim 2 жыл бұрын
I am going with 5.1.2 setup with top middle atmos ceiling speakers. Most of the available brands in my country are fixed (not angled) except Yamaha NS-IC600 in which only tweeter can be angled by 15 degree but not the woofer. Will that work?
@meStevo Жыл бұрын
Mind blown. Putting up wall-mounted Klipsch atmos speakers tomorrow and this changes everything.
@hometheatergurus Жыл бұрын
Man I'm glad you saw this first. Stop everything..ha. See the newer Atmos video where I made a one page diagram with easy formulas to find the locations.
@meStevo Жыл бұрын
@@hometheatergurus One thing i dont see about height speakers that are wall mounted (I have 4x R-41SA im going to install), is anything about angling them towards the primary seated position. Sure, they are angled down, but depending on how far away shouldn't you also need to mount them angled inwards to help create the bubble? I'm a bit limited in wall space, so they're going to go almost to the side of my primary seat and then at the ~ceiling from the front. Shouldn't the front speakers be angled in a little? Or overthinking? I've never seen mounts to accommodate that with heights like the R-41SA. I know some of my positioning isn't ideal, but figure this will be a net positive and am trying to control what I can. Thanks!
@socool8860 2 жыл бұрын
Can this be achieved with an 11.2 setup? Because it looks like I will have to many gaps. I have svs elevations but I have the ball brackets for my angles. Your videos are eye opening for me, thanks man.
@TylerStout 2 жыл бұрын
Definitely learned something new. I've poked around that 70 page dolby PDF but never noticed the picture how to space them, always thought it was based on main width. Honestly it's probably something along the lines of the average room has 8 foot ceilings and main width and height width become the same so they simplified it but they really should have a disclaimer stating that. What are your thoughts on if you have your seats on a back wall (non-dedicated room) would you go 5.1.4 with the atmos speakers on the back wall 12-18" above, 5.1.2 with top middle, or going with an auro3d config with front height and side height at the 30 degree up mark. I'm kinda leaning towards the auro setup since I think 5.1.4 atmos would be too jank and I think the upgrade to 4 height speakers and using upmixing would be the superior approach over only having two height speakers but them being proper. Currently thinking I buy a pair of in ceiling speakers and build an external box with a 30 degree baffle angle and try them out and worst case scenario I put them in the ceiling and I only lose the cost of some MDF. Edit: also only have a 7 channel AVR so it's more going to dictate what I buy in the future.
@hometheatergurus 2 жыл бұрын
That's an option and I've actually had a few clients do that.
@gab7344 Жыл бұрын
Awesome video. You are the only person that really explains the speaker placement well and how it may affect the sound output ect. The average person who is starting out doing their own install, would just go bythe Dolby layout drawings thinking that is the proper layout. A costly mistake. Great work keep it up please. My Question which I'm still not sure of is the MLP placement. If my room is 5m long do I sit at 2.5m or should it be 3quaters of the room away from the screen ?
@hometheatergurus Жыл бұрын
Thanks Gab! Check out ep 11 as it walks you through using a very easy to use calculator where you can visualize the modes and see seating options.
@gab7344 Жыл бұрын
@@hometheatergurus Thanks for reply. I will check out ep 11
@amirweissbrot Жыл бұрын
What do you say about yamaha presence configuration, and atmos? Yamaha recommends placing the presence on the front wall wider than the front speakers a bit, i understand that the 'bubble of sound' will be with holes,but there is a feeling of 'wall of sound' with distinct hight. How do yamaha processing the presence speakers with the atmos contact? How is the result in your opinion? Placing the speaker on the actual ceiling is not an option for me...
2 жыл бұрын
If you have a vaulted ceiling, where the ceiling gets higher in front of MLP and lower behind MLP, how would that affect speaker placement?
@TrueGenius 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. I’ve always looked at those Dolby drawings with speaking separation in mind…first. Looking forward to the AVM70 review. I’ve been trying to decide between it and the Monoprice HTP-1, so that Tonewinner review would help also.
@hometheatergurus 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks BG! I need to get the AVM70 video out. I should have the Tonewinner 300 in for review in the near future.
@adrigonzyify 2 жыл бұрын
@@hometheatergurus Thank you very much 👍😉And Sexy Arms & Cute Bald 😉👍🔥🔥🔥👏👏👏
@Morawake 7 ай бұрын
I dont really have good mounting points for rear top speakers, so should I try to do mid tops and front tops (labelling the mid tops as rear tops)?
@WOLFx1950 2 жыл бұрын
So if my overheads have a tweeter that I could angle , then I should point at the listening position instead of make it fire downward right?
@hometheatergurus 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. Aim Them!!!!
@BassBringsUsTogether 2 жыл бұрын
Nice man! This video makes me want to buy another subwoofer 🔊 😂, have a good one buddy! Great content as always
@hometheatergurus 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Bro! And yeah you need a few more Subs..😅
@GettingDicey 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely amazing vid. Not much I can do with the placement at this point, but I have ceiling mounted side, rear, and atmos speakers. Would you recommend aiming all tweeters (they're adjustable) at the main listening area?
@robertct06 2 жыл бұрын
I would think he would say yes
@kigbeckovic9685 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for sharing your experience. I appreciate it very much. One request to you - next time please without background music. You don't need that stuff at all. I want to listen to you and focus on the content and what you have to say. I appreciate your knowledge very much. Greetings from Serbia
@hometheatergurus 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you and as you're not the only one to think it was too loud, I'll definitely lower it.
@chrisp9759 Жыл бұрын
Hi Steven, I am building a basement home theater myself and are contemplating whether to use the last two of my 16-channels for top-middles or 2 extra sub channels. What would you recommend? My room is roughly 5x4x2,3 meters. the AV-receiver i bought (used) came with the dirac live bass management for multiple subs. Chris
@hometheatergurus Жыл бұрын
That depends on many factors. See the latest video and if you need further help shoot me an email to inquire about a room layout or consultation.
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