Link to Metsa Machines Grizzly Bar Set www.metsamachines.com/product/japa-grizzly-bar-set/

I’d like to make my own and see if I could design better ones.

For the volume that you sell it seems like a good solution. People need kindling anyway.

HI Adam, I think if the pitch of the bars were a little higher and maybe 4 inch wings on the sides this way wood would stay on the bars a little longer and allow the smaller pieces the slip through the openings and the new wood of the conveyer would push the splits off the bars.

I would decrease the angle you have those grizzle bars at (or decrease the speed of the japa conveyor). I think you'll get better results slowing down the rate at which the wood slides down those grizzle bars.

💡 IDEA - Whilst watching this I thought that surely you and Doug could make a slide 🛝 from round bar, running from below grizzly bar to just above IBC tote. The spacing between the bars slightly wider to allow kindling etc to fall though to some kind of container or collection chute below. I think it would be a cheap option with great results for a bit of metal fabrication. Would make a great video on Dougs channel too. You guys could improve this set up massively by putting your heads together.

I think if the grizzlie bars were longer it would help more have Doug get on it 🤪

Good morning Adam, you can play with the speed of the conveyer and angle of those to allow a little more contact time..

I'm sure Neighbour Doug is itching to come up with a better and more cost effective solution!

I enjoyed the video Adam. I personally think the grizzly bars work well enough for your purposes. Like you mentioned, the only wood that was mixed in with the regular firewood, was basically kindling, and that’s good for a homeowner, making it easier to start fires with. I recently bought two cords from a landscaper who told me it was all 14-16 inches….hardly. Some was 20, some 16, some10! And all of the wood was covered with mud, which after freezing, may as well have been concrete. My point with all this, is that if your competitors deliver wood like what I got , then your clean, consistent sized firewood will always be a cut above the competition!

Worth every penny. Got a lot of the burdensome mess out of the way but also gave the customer some kindling which is what I would want.

I have a eastonmade 12-22 and a wolf ridge fc-24 conveyor with grizzly bars. The bars do a great job of filtering out the fines and small material, which is what you don't want in your wood. The fines are what hold more moisture and can cause mold issues. The larger slash and bark that falls through is great kindling and should be marketed as such. Most people like having that in their load. I've been thinking of a way to hook burlap sacks to the bottom of the catch pan to catch the scrap and make it easier to dispose of.

Talk Joe into the same test using his Japa with the perfect clean built in, but not running through his cleaner. In all honesty I think stacking is the only way to get really clean wood, but yours will be way cleaner than the guys piling on the ground and loading with a firewood bucket.

I think you have to play with the angle of the conveyor and grizzly bar some. If the bar was more parallel to the ground it might filter more.

I grew up using firewood, from cutting, splitting, stacking, and delivery to the fireplace. Those grizzly bars are much better than Mom bitching about the mess you made hauling it in the house!

I think the grizzly bars are fairly good investment. You do need Kinlinwood to start your fire. I also think you probably could’ve made a set of grizzly bars cheaper unless of course you have to invest in a welder. If you already have that stuff, the raw cost of the metal would’ve been less than the price you paid.

Thanks for the great video. At $1000 I think someone can make the grizzly bars for about a quarter of that. Have you ever thought of modifying the bars maybe making the bars a little wider?

I like the idea of grizzly bars but I think they need to be longer and more horizontal so that the wood is on them longer and it might filter more. Great job

Thank you for the video Adam. Have a great day,take care and God Bless you all!!!❤😊

I think the bars make a significant difference, I don’t process my own wood so can’t comment on how much it helps to raise the quality during the production, but on the customer side I can say I really appreciate the filtered end product, I like getting some kindling without the other rubbish, thanks for the video Adam, take care

When I consider adding this type of equipment add-on I look at ROI and will it add to the bottom line. There are other factors to consider but they’re harder to put a number on. It’s a long way from $1K to $14 or $18K. And, other than less mess what’s the real value to a customer only if they have less scraps to pickup? Maybe tweak the current system, refine it and let your experience help others. But, more $$$? Nope, not for me. Enjoy you and Doug. He had a recent video on his Race Track garage floor which helped me make up my mind about what type to use in my garage.

I happen to like getting the small stuff also to start the fire. I use everything as long as it is dry.

Nice fast paced video without a lot of no value added rambling. Good job.

Looks like a good upgrade. Maybe raise the grizzly bar up more and it might filter more trash out.

I would think as a homeowner getting the filtered kindling dumped with my load would be a plus. The grizzley bars look like they got rid of most of the trash.

My dad would have loved that "clean" chaff back when he was heating with wood. I hope you find a market for it.

Adam, the Grizzly Bars , that cost a grand, don't think they're worth the investment , especially IF you're going to stack the wood in the IBC totes to make a better 'quality' of your product. You were asking for an opinion, so, that's mine.

The pieces of cut timber come over the top and has a small drop onto the separator. With a little touch up with your welder and extra hole for adjusting, have the separator an extra 6 to 8 inches lower so each cut piece hits the separator so it knocks of loose bark etc. It will be much better and more effective. Cheers Steve 🇦🇺

Nice machine Adam!

If I was a buyer, I would want my wood stacked in the basket. Looks better, worth the cost. Value added for sure.

Adam I watch your channel for info & entertainment, and as such I don’t have advice. I will say as a consumer, and from watching other channels similar to yours, you take a Lot more care both in preparation and presentation than most . Just a thought, as mentioned, the filtered scraps might have a use as an add-on if presented well… ie a box or bag with a trailer load as kindling when delivering, or at your self service stand. Thanks for the quality content! -Ned

No idea why but I just love watching these machines work

Watch out for neighbor Doug's Double Drum Design - he's bound to be able to sort for you. 👍👍

Great food for thought. No right or wrong way. Clean firewood costs more than dirty.

what would happen if you adjusted the grizzely bars so they were a little more on the flat plane

Simple solution is simply get wider tines on the grizzly bars. I love your channel! I am in central Alberta viewing in, I find your videos so practical I love how you don't bullshit, you dont sell anything and in your videos you are exploring and learning right along with us. Keep it up

I think you’re getting into physics of firewood now. The drier the wood, the more the bark separates from the actual wood. The type of wood is a determining factor too. The smoother the bark the more it will cling the wood, the courser the bark the more the separation process will probably knock it loose. It’s too bad the shrapnel and chaff of the wood/bark can’t be boxed up somehow and delivered right along with the firewood as kindling. I think a better solution would be, just leave it on the ground. This would keep the ground from becoming a mud pit. Maybe you should look at a good chipper, have all the loose bark and residual wood drop into a chipper. You could mix the sawdust and chipped mulch. Spread it on the ground and have your own wooden concrete.

Wow the prices for some of this stuff are off the charts now , dealers/distributors still cashing in on pandemic pricing and once the price goes up it seldom comes down , thanks for sharing Adam .

I owned a tumbler, save your money, it cleans a lot but at the end of the day I could put the same wood through again and still get plenty of chaff. Wood is dirty by nature so just embrace it or go to gas and oil for your heat. JMHO.

Good choice of music for this video. Agree with other comments - people need kindling anyway so the grizzly bar seems a good compromise, especially in terms of the economics of the process.

I don't think there is anything wrong with trying to provide "clean" firewood. Either you follow the trend of what the consumers demand or you end up doing less business. I agree wood is wood as long as it's dry, but presentation sells and generates return customers. Good video 👍

Good morning Adam. Personally, I think the grizzly bars were a disappointment. Plus, I think for the sake of your customers it is better to stack your firewood in the totes. Just my opinion. Anyway, stay safe, healthy and warm. Bill H from Cranberry Township

Adam you have a good point of what your saying, the Grizzly Bars can 60% of the kindling of the processor, 40% Remain in the IBC TOTES, IF YOU HAVE THE EXTRA $14000 DOLLARS ON A DRUM CLEAN TO REMOVE THE TRASH FROM THE PROCESSOR THAT WILL BE THE WAY TO GO,

Next video, see if Doug can't modify the grizzly bars to make them work better. 100% confident that guy can figure something out

Maybe a little less angle on the grate.

Good morning Adam, my two cents, catch the Splits / Chaff into the dump Trailer. The bars seem to only catch, dispenses Chaff that between the Splits and the Bars. Chaff on the upper side of the splits falls into the IBC totes. So I’d say save the $1000.00 and just process the splits into the dump trailer for cleaner customer valued results. Cleaner Splits may facilitate repeat customers and spreading the word of Quality and Satisfaction. 😊👍👍👍

I would recommend raising the bars, making the angle more shallow. Watching the video, it appeared that more stuff would get sifted if the logs weren't moving so fast over the bars. Just a suggestion, as I've never used the product.

You should the white tote so you can get the sauce and use it for your chickens

Doug, I think you should take photos and measurements of that grizzly bar and make your own for cheaper.

Is it really worth the cost? Depends on who you are selling to or how it is being used in my opinion. Clean firewood is nice but not essential. On any tool being purchased you HAVE to look at ROI to see if it is worth the cost. Nice you get to try these things and share with us.

I put the small stuff in paper grocery bags from Kroger. Now I have kindling & burn bag & contents.

Yup, I read the thumbnail image incorrectly too. I was expecting to see a Grizzly Bear. It's been a rough morning already. :)

You should do a test of grizzly bars at different angles to see if less angle clears more trash

Looks good! I wonder if the handle you removed would fit over the Grizzly bar attachment point?

I’d get a bunch of rebar and weld your own. Mount your just like the Grizzly bars, but make two sets of bars and see if changing the spacing helps.

If I'm buying firewood, I'm ok getting some kindling mixed in. The crumbs that get caught by the grizzly bars makes a much cleaner delivery. I think the more expensive options out there are only viable if you're packaging firewood bundles exclusively and can't tolerate small pieces.

If you decide to make your own grizzly bar I suggest you place the vertical bars a little farther apart.

Even with all the chaff & kindling removed from the stacked wood in the IBCs - if you dry the wood in your yard for any length of time before you deliver it to your customer there will still be a mess in their yard when you dump it - yes, it'll be much less than if you didn't use the grizzly bars & stack it but still there will be a mess.

Maybe invest any money for a cleaner into a local teenager instead. If you paid a teenager $15/hr, that's about 66 hours of stacking, which is about 30 cords if I remember the 1/2 per cord time correctly. It's not a capital purchase, but it does help the local economy, gets a kid outside instead of playing video games, and maybe teaches them a skill (e.g., also learning how to run a saw, the excavator, etc).

I’m sure your neighbor Doug could build one that works better. I think for the money that processed cost it should come with one . Just my opinion keep them coming

I think for 1,000 bucks you get what you pay for it does filter the fines and thats great keeps kindling for bundles but ike you said if you want something for truely clean wood you need a disc cleaner or tumbler grizzly bars will only do so much as you showed great video as always adam

I think if the bars were at a flatter angle (more parallel with the ground) the firewood would stay on the bars a bit longer allowing the grizzly bars to be more effective and sort more chaff out.

I think it's a good value for what it gives you. Considering just how much time it saves vs hand stacking. Time is money. People saying you could make something similar for way less, sure, but this product is going to save you a lot of time and fab work. If you hired a welder to build these, you'd probably pay a lot more than $1000. Gotta love the option to just bolt it on and not have to think about it.

I wonder if a fanned-out blower exhaust a couple feet over the baskets would work (maybe something like one of those bounce house blowers) to blow the smaller stuff off to the side before dropping into the basket?

Lots of kindling. Put them in a zip tie, let them dry, tighten the zip tie when dried, and sell with your load to your customers. GOD Bless. Go "Stillers"

A set of grizzlies at bottom will clean better.. I use a double system top and bottom.. works fairly well

Seems like from a cost-benefit, the grizzly bar is the best option for this scale. Hard to imagine you can justify the cost of the better alternatives. Will save some time, but not enough to offset the up front cost

There's too many different answers to this...I'm just going to say thanks for another interesting video. I will add, $14,000 & $17,000 for those pieces of equipment seems ridiculous!! This world is out of control!! God bless y'all! ♥️🎊♥️👍

So when will you get a chipper shedder? A mulch pile sells well after it’s cured for a while. You may need to build a platform for it though..

It looked like you need to remove every 2nd bar so there's more room for the kindling size and bark to fall through

I wonder if a longer grizzly bar or a different angle would give a better results? And what about putting a ventilator on top to blow the bark away? Maybe you can try a battery powered one just to see if it does anything.

Looks worth it to me, have neighbor Doug shap that into a v I bet it would pull more stuff out I was noticing some of those just continue to ride because they were laying flat on the conveyor they continued flat across the bars but if it was a v would cause them to flip/move hopefully making them fall

What about hose and plastic Ibc tote to caught the sawdust. Like Ohio wood burner

grizzle bars need to open the gaps up by a 1/3, and the length needs to be about a foot longer, My 2 cents, well worth the cost.

If you had to have a "clean" load, the "old" way is the best. Saves cash and keeps you healthy by using your muscles! LOL!! Great video!

The greatest majority of the material that passes over these grizzly bars looks like quite useful kindling to me. I'd be happy to have it in with a load. Just that much kindling I don't have to make or buy.

Some thick rebar and a plate and thats made for around $100 i know that took time to engeiner and come up with but a welder some rebar snd flat steel and chain and thats reproduced ...

Wow!…to be honest…that thing didn’t do D@$#!…waste of money in my opinion…could make that thing out of bed frame rails and a stop sign for nothing…glad I didn’t get duped into buying that!…really good video hometown for everyone to witness!

I think they are a good idea, but think they would work better if it was longer. I think some of the scrap was going across before it had a chance to fall through the bars.

DOUG!!! I bet he could come up with something that will work better and won't be in the 5 digit range.

I would keep the grizzly bars … most of my customers when i sold firewood were happy when i gave them some kindlin wood to help start the fire … i always use my scraps to help fluff up my fire too

I think you should just Stack it and not worry about it

Nice improvement to your setup Adam! Are there any Grizzly Bars that are longer, or other designs that might divide more chaff out? just wondering. But seems great for the comparable price! Cheers, --J.Andre.

As a firewood consumer I'd say the less chaff the better. Kindling is good but if it comes with that much chaff I'd rather do without it. Some folks wouldn't have a good way to dispose of that much trash.

Makes a big difference however unless you stack and sell ONLY wood from the centre of logs with no bark you will always get a nominal amount of ‘trash’

I would look at the kindling as a salable product and buy the Grizzly bars and consider it to be a sorter.

Surely we are due a pond update?

I think your Grizzly bars are set a bit to close together, if you spread them out more they would filter out more of the midlings... Maybe a few 'good' pieces of would might fall through but that would be easier to clean then all the kindling in the saleable wood.

I wonder if pitch of these bars have anything to do with effectiveness?

Do you sell kindling or keep it for yourself. If you do sell it how do you package it and how much do you charge for it?

If you restack your wood the Grizzly should be fine. For my wood I like the idea of getting out the dirt and fine stuff. If the customer gets a little kindling all the better. Its the fine trash that is a mess.

Even if that thing is made in USA, that is one expensive device!

Personally I can't believe they charge a 1000 dollars for that, 300% mark up.

Would it be possible to create an attachment for your tractor that would actually stack these things for you? I am almost thinking something like a plinko game

I wouldn't have grizzly bars. I would run the wood in the tilted trailer like you did before and stack it in totes. But then I'm not a important person and I have more time than money.

Do you still wrap firewood for sale at the grocery stores?

Well I think the solution for someone that have some DIY skills, like you, would be to buid the tumbler yourself, cant be that hard to do, if you can weld and can connect an electric motor. Can definitely be done for WAAAAAY LESS than $14.000

If the bars were wider, they would filter out more.

Hey Adam remove every other bar and I bet those grizzly bars do much better. If the bar area was a tad longer that would help too. Get with neighbor Doug to help you out. 1000 bucks for grizzly bars is a major rip off they should of only been around 200 for what is there and that is a little steep.

I'd make my own, with wider slats.Neighbour Doug can make it better.