We Found Water For The Pond - Hydraulic Ram Pump

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Hometown Acres

Hometown Acres

Жыл бұрын

If you don’t want to buy all the individual pieces for your own ram pump like we did, you can buy an already assembled pump on Amazon with the link below
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@HometownAcres
@HometownAcres Жыл бұрын
If you don’t want to buy all the individual pieces for your own ram pump like we did, you can buy an already assembled pump on Amazon with the link below www.amazon.com/shop/hometownacres
@LandtoHouse
@LandtoHouse Жыл бұрын
@@GreenAcreHomestead Thanks for the shoutout!
@phreak480
@phreak480 Жыл бұрын
@@LandtoHouse i watch both channels and as soon as I saw this video post I thought of your channel and was glad to see your stuff as the amazon link.
@LandtoHouse
@LandtoHouse Жыл бұрын
@@phreak480 Thank you for watching both channels!
@william1863
@william1863 Жыл бұрын
👍✝️✌️😁
@Anthony-qt3wm
@Anthony-qt3wm Жыл бұрын
2 weeks later is it full?
@wintersplumbing5148
@wintersplumbing5148 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for mentioning us! We are very happy that your pump is working and were more than happy to help you.
@troydaigle1260
@troydaigle1260 Жыл бұрын
As he said. Your local plumbing supplier is better than. Home depot. 50 people standing around and nobody will help you if they did know anything.
@CrezymedJohn
@CrezymedJohn 11 ай бұрын
one of the best video explaing the experience of buiding ram pump. Well done!!
@cmcdsg
@cmcdsg 9 ай бұрын
Is the ram pump works?
@Jim_One-wl4ke
@Jim_One-wl4ke 5 ай бұрын
@winter plumbing good job.👍 keep up the good work ❤
@isaacw38
@isaacw38 Жыл бұрын
This is easily my favorite project of yours and love the updates on what you're doing and where that pond is at
@benzie692
@benzie692 Жыл бұрын
Super cool system you came up with Adam....never heard of one like that, but definitely going to look into doing the exact same thing on my property. FYI you should be able to get replacement valve components for your IBC tote from the hardware store and that will allow you to avoid another hole in the tank.....just run the line from the bottom valve out to your pond!
@DIYMyWay
@DIYMyWay Жыл бұрын
Hi Adam! Great project! Ram pumps are amazing and you’ve got me think of an application for one. Thanks for sharing!
@1amaker
@1amaker Жыл бұрын
You may want to consider a splash rock in the pond, so the constant drip of water doesn’t erode the sidewall.
@ameno21
@ameno21 Жыл бұрын
Really good point.
@sassafrasvalley1939
@sassafrasvalley1939 Жыл бұрын
If the pipe extended into the water, and elevated above a splash block or rip-rap bed… erosion could be nearly eliminated.
@1amaker
@1amaker Жыл бұрын
@@sassafrasvalley1939 I thought about the idea of just extending the hose into the water but figured he’d want to monitor the flow
@sassafrasvalley1939
@sassafrasvalley1939 Жыл бұрын
@@1amaker good point… perhaps he could put a clear section of hose just above flood stage?
@erikcourtney1834
@erikcourtney1834 Жыл бұрын
I was about to mention the same thing. Or just extent the hose so that it lays flat on the ground instead of pouring out and falling. I’ve seen this exact scenario with an overflow pipe causing a pond dam to wash out losing all the water. Then costing thousands of dollars to repair. No his isn’t going to effect the dam, but it can still cut a deep hole and channel that could get below the clay layer or hit fractured rock resulting in a leaking pond.
@MyClutteredGarage
@MyClutteredGarage Жыл бұрын
I love those Ram pumps. Amazing ingenuity. Great job, Adam.
@peterscott7384
@peterscott7384 Жыл бұрын
Great job Adam. Impressive system. Simple and it works. Always best to keep it simple.
@bojangles_bonjangles8000
@bojangles_bonjangles8000 Жыл бұрын
It’s worth a shot to try! With evaporation and soil percolating it’s going to be interesting. Give us monthly updates!
@Deutschehordenelite
@Deutschehordenelite Жыл бұрын
Pretty awesome, good you figured this out, hope it lasts long! Never heard of something like this before!
@oldguyfirewood
@oldguyfirewood Жыл бұрын
I’ve also been fascinated by the ram pump and how it works. I think I first read about it in “Mother Earth News” over 40 years ago! Very nice video Adam. - Dick
@carolinafirewood
@carolinafirewood Жыл бұрын
I'm surprised we don't hear more about this kind of ingenuity. Good job.
@christopherdold2277
@christopherdold2277 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this well explained video of ram pump. Priceless. With no out of pocket ongoing expense. Thank you.
@SpicerDesignsLLC
@SpicerDesignsLLC Жыл бұрын
I never new that pump existed. Pretty amazing. Great solution for extra water to the pond.
@jda72
@jda72 Жыл бұрын
That's cool these things have been around for a long time. My parents bought a farm in so. indiana in the 60's it had a big spring and the neighbor used those pumps to pump up to his house uphill all the way about 300 feet. He called them ramjets and had about 5 or 6 of them they were made of cast iron and had a check valve made of brass. I wish I had one of those old ones just for memories.
@Gruuvin1
@Gruuvin1 Жыл бұрын
I loved this video! And think you are correct with the open container up top (vs a closed pipe in the pond), you've basically removed the pond-gravity system from applying pressure back down the line into your pressure tank. You have a really strong flowing creek. I'm jealous.
@useracount8544
@useracount8544 Жыл бұрын
Cool, yes great service in the smaller local suppliers, great job too, and you could use the output in that tank to run a small water wheel to generate power too!
@greggwilliamson7404
@greggwilliamson7404 Жыл бұрын
When I built my first ram pump (about 20 years ago) I used a small pressurized pump tank with a bladder. It made the pump cycle about three times faster and thus pumped more water.
@freedomnmetal
@freedomnmetal 11 ай бұрын
Show a diagram or working model please sir. What I'd really like to know though is can you turn your existing well into an electric free well thus becoming energy independent
@TwiceStruck
@TwiceStruck 10 ай бұрын
​@@freedomnmetal I second that, love to see a diagram
@noelburke6224
@noelburke6224 4 ай бұрын
​@@freedomnmetalyou do that with a wind mill set up over the well
@JCWren
@JCWren Жыл бұрын
I'm thinking your outlet pipe to the pond could easily handle double it's current flow, maybe a little more. Put 2 or 3 more ram pumps feeding the IBC tote, an overflow pipe that returns water to the creek (basically just dump it out a few feet away), and with the head pressure from the IBC tote, you'd easily be more than doubling your flow, and only for the cost of 2 or 3 more ram pump assemblies. The siphon idea a couple people have mentioned is also intriguing, and pretty easy to test without disassembling much of the current set up at the IBC tote.
@sRadio-xg4yr
@sRadio-xg4yr Жыл бұрын
An inexpensive option and certainly worth a look at adding more pumps. As for the siphoning effect, worth a test but my guess is that it would be detrimental to the operation of the ram pump as it would fight the incoming nonreturn valve.
@cmh-re
@cmh-re Жыл бұрын
you require one feed line for every pump, the longer the better, for the hydraulic ram to appen in a controlled way. Also if you add more pumps you require more water, but the stream was already near capacity
@pelbagaiinfo4466
@pelbagaiinfo4466 Жыл бұрын
large ram pump kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Z9WclNanncjUknk.html
@JosetyKalase
@JosetyKalase 11 ай бұрын
Good morning I'm really appreciate what you have done to help in such a simple ram pump
@bobw9710
@bobw9710 Жыл бұрын
Great video Adam! This ram pump technology is absolutely amazing. I learned something new today. Thanks and keep up the great videos.
@cmcdsg
@cmcdsg 9 ай бұрын
Is the ram pump works? My land are 50meter higher then the water source.
@BrianPhillipsRC
@BrianPhillipsRC 11 ай бұрын
Can't wait to see your update. Thanks for sharing about your project. We're learning a lot from your experience, as we're about to dig our own.
@IraDuncan
@IraDuncan Жыл бұрын
Fantastic ingenuity Adam! I appreciate all the thought you put into making your home more self sufficient, and I didn't even know something like this was an option. One of the channels I subscribe to is Life Uncontained and I can't help but think they could be well served (no pun intended) with something like this for their water storage needs in TX. 1.3GPH for 10,000 gallons of storage could be gamechanging. Thanks for all you do and show us, and Godspeed. Ira
@jasonbroom7147
@jasonbroom7147 Жыл бұрын
Not sure if they have a creek with enough flowing water?
@DanKlein_1
@DanKlein_1 Жыл бұрын
That was cool to see. I have heard of a ram pump before but never knew what one was. The video makes all that hard ditch work look easy but that was a LOT of shovel work. One good thing is you know what you did now. If you see you would like to double your output, you could always run a second pump into your IBC. I assume the single line out to the pond would handle twice the volume coming from your IBC.
@dannys813
@dannys813 Жыл бұрын
Your ingenuity is absolutely amazing. I think it's pretty cool too.
@durwoodfoote9607
@durwoodfoote9607 Жыл бұрын
And you are capturing water that would otherwise be lost down stream. Bravo! I like it. Thanks.
@jimconnor8274
@jimconnor8274 Жыл бұрын
Great video Adam. Good old American edgenuity! A metal screen cover on the tote will keep leaves and debris out.
@chrisartman6168
@chrisartman6168 Жыл бұрын
Hi Adam, great video. I have a smaller ram pump, 1/2”, I use to irrigate my garden with. I fill a 55 gallon drum that then overflows back to the stream. I use a battery powered automatic ball valve to supply my drip irrigation. Unfortunately my little creek won’t support a larger pump, but it still works. I initially I built a 1” drive/1/2” out pump that works in the spring, but I don’t have enough water flow in the summer to run it. You were correct about the air in your driveline when you started. Also no discharge back pressure will effect it. You can throttle closed on the discharge valve until the line is filled. Then open up the discharge valve. Mine is all plastic accept for the swing check. Also I have my check valves swapped from your positions. I didn’t have to modify the spring check valve to make it work. After four summers, I’ve just have to replace the swing check valve every year. I’ve never checked my flow, but it’s a pencil stream. My issue is that I’m only lifting the water about 10’. So for it to work properly, I have to keep the discharge valve throttled. In my driveline, I put a bucket as a silt trap in addition to the intake screen. I put the water in bucket about 2/3rds of up the side of the bucket. Then tapped off the side of the bucket at the top to feed the pump. If we get heavy rain it usually stops the pump. I just dump the bucket over to empty it. Then just let it refill the bucket, reprime/restart the pump, and it’s off and running. After the initial investment, mine has been pretty cheap to keep going. I just pull it and and pipe for the winter. I drain it and hang it on the shed wall. Also to fasten it in the creek, I drove a tee post in the ground. I then bought large hose clamps and fasted the pump to the tee post. Great video and explanations. I’m glad this works for you. Have a good day!
@Waterpoweredtechnologies
@Waterpoweredtechnologies Жыл бұрын
Very nice video, we love to see the increasing awareness of ram pumps!
@joesixpack8305
@joesixpack8305 Жыл бұрын
Nice work Adam. Ram pumps are popular among bush people. You can always add a well if it comes down to it. Well worth seeing what this ram does.
@TJ-nl4tn
@TJ-nl4tn Жыл бұрын
Awesome idea. I have a need to get water from my creek to water animals and for the wood fired hot tub.
@steveguzy3021
@steveguzy3021 Жыл бұрын
Nice work Adam. To get more water you may want to consider a second ram pump feeding the IBC tote.
@JCWren
@JCWren Жыл бұрын
I was thinking another 4 or 5 pumps.
@firstfreonwarrior
@firstfreonwarrior Жыл бұрын
My thought too.
@steveoutdoors8210
@steveoutdoors8210 Жыл бұрын
Same here.Why not add more pumps?
@mrcutter98
@mrcutter98 Жыл бұрын
I was thinking that I would have run more pipe or a larger pipe through the trench before it was covered up also. That way more pumps could be used to get more water into the pond.
@brianseaders
@brianseaders Жыл бұрын
@@mrcutter98 the siphon on that pipe will handle an isain flow rate its going far enough down hill he doesn't need a bigger discharge pipe
@dmann1209
@dmann1209 Жыл бұрын
Awesome explanation of the science behind the pump. Great content!
@Iaapwm
@Iaapwm 3 ай бұрын
Excellent delivery of info, Much appreciated from Lismore NSW Australia
@tenfeetwanderers774
@tenfeetwanderers774 Жыл бұрын
Over time the ram pump can cause cracks in your connections due to the harsh stop/start of the ram. We found that swapping to a bunyip pump (made in Australia) that the water flow was a lot more progressive, and less harsh on the pipe and connectors.
@trafferz
@trafferz Жыл бұрын
Quiet too. I've been fascinated with this type of technology for years. Thanks for the info.
@frosthoe
@frosthoe Жыл бұрын
Just add an anti hammer /air trap near the end and beginning of the output line. No more pinging.
@tenfeetwanderers774
@tenfeetwanderers774 Жыл бұрын
@@frosthoe sure, you could do this. But then it's starting to over complicate a pump that by design is simple. This is the pump that I am referring to. It actually catches the fall before bottoming out, so you don't get that hammer: kzfaq.infoCLXalUmRikg?feature=share
@donbeckham
@donbeckham Жыл бұрын
You mentioned the bottom of the creek is 30' below the bank, and it appears the pond is more than 30' below the bank, and you mentioned you were worried about the pond pipe creating a siphon if you connected it directly to the the discharge pipe. The light should have come on in your head at that moment. If the elevation of the pond is lower than the creek bed, simply create a small weir in the creek and siphon the water over the bank. no ram pump needed, and you will increase the flow :)
@bradysjoblom
@bradysjoblom Жыл бұрын
There is a limit to how high you can lift water with a siphon which is around 30 feet at sea level and it's reduced a little in higher elevations. If his estimate is right then he would probably have a hard time unless he moved is intake pipe a ways upstream. That being said, I think his flow would only be improved connecting the pipes directly and deleting the plastic tank.
@glennknight1599
@glennknight1599 Жыл бұрын
Even if the siphon didn't work the tank further down the hill would lower the pumps head and increase the flow. I'm sure the siphon would work without the pump the inlet a bit up stream to keep the max lift to below 9.8m.
@claypf4795
@claypf4795 Жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing. Get rid of the ram pump altogether and connect the two pipes together, and add a valve at the pond end. Use one of those inexpensive power tool battery powered pumps at the pond to prime it, then once the pipe is full stop tbe pump and close the valve. Remove the pump, open the valve, and let gravity do the rest.
@ryanpenney8349
@ryanpenney8349 Жыл бұрын
Because you can only lift (pull) water 30 feet with a siphon, and that is "theoretical lift", actual lift is probably lower, but it couldn't hurt to try.
@daviddecker9457
@daviddecker9457 Жыл бұрын
@@bradysjoblom It's mor like 25 ft.
@plokiju8876
@plokiju8876 Жыл бұрын
This is so cool , it’s the first time I hear of such a pump. We can use this back home in the Caribbean.
@brucebello2049
@brucebello2049 Жыл бұрын
Great solution Adam, well done!
@richardross7219
@richardross7219 Жыл бұрын
Nice video. Setting it up so that the outflow pipe is continuous from the pump to the pond should work fine and increase the flow a bit. I don't think that you will get a siphon condition anyway because the flow isn't enough to fill the outflow pipe. My Dad first encountered a hydraulic ram pump in 1929 when he was a kid at Boy Scout camp. He was fascinated by it so then he researched about them. He taught me about them in the 1950s and then I learned again in the 1970s from Mother Earth News Magazine. Adding a little more weight to the overflow check valve should increase the flow. Good Luck, Rick
@davesauerzopf6980
@davesauerzopf6980 Жыл бұрын
I have looked into doing this and would really like to see a breakdown of the parts and the actual build. You are by far, very detailed with your videos, and I am sure many viewers would appreciate it. Great video as always. Thank you.
@JasonLeonPike
@JasonLeonPike Жыл бұрын
Nice work. Thanks for including some of that troubleshooting.
@jmuckable
@jmuckable Жыл бұрын
Very Cool Adam, I can't wait to see how it all works out
@janvandermerwe4225
@janvandermerwe4225 Жыл бұрын
I played around with ram pumps also. In my experience you will get more pressure if you use the flap valve for the waste and the spring check valve on the route to the pressure tank. So swapping the two valves. (with the spring mounted) I got 20m of lift with 1 m of drop in the feedline. Also using metal pipe for the last few meters in your feeding pipe will make a big difference. About the siphon, if you put your tank which is now on the highest point, about 5 m lower (this will create a 0.5 bar underpressure), you will have less counterpressure and therefore more flow. It might collapse your pipe though as you create a vacuum in the pipe, also the pipe should end under water in your buffer tank to avoid breaking the vacuum. With all these possible problems maybe not worth the trouble.
@sassafrasvalley1939
@sassafrasvalley1939 Жыл бұрын
Adam… that’ll work! These pumps always fascinate me… it’s almost like discovering a perpetual motion machine… all of the energy is, gathered, channeled, and converted in that self contained air bubble!!! Nicely done bud.
@Geekster896
@Geekster896 Жыл бұрын
This is a perpetual motion machine that runs on over unity created by the water hammer effect. But since over unity is impossible as scientists claim, it must be the water pumping gods that are really pumping the water.
@sassafrasvalley1939
@sassafrasvalley1939 Жыл бұрын
@@Geekster896 LOL… would that be one of Poseidon’s offsprings??
@Geekster896
@Geekster896 Жыл бұрын
@@sassafrasvalley1939 lmao 🤣 it might just be.
@FrazzledFarmer
@FrazzledFarmer Жыл бұрын
We drained our pond in July. It's been quite the journey. We've got like 5 springs running into it, so that even during a drought-like season, our problem was the muck. We syphoned then pumped for weeks as we also cleaned out lily pads, lilies, and tons of mud. We finally got it fixed up enough for us and it's been filling about three weeks. I've been following your journey. Thanks so much for sharing.
@timecowx
@timecowx 7 ай бұрын
It's a lot of work, but cleaning out a pond like that is so rewarding. Ours would halfway disappear behind cattails and murk. after cleaning it all out and letting it fill again I had to keep reminding myself that we had not made it any bigger, we had just become so used to seeing less of it!
@xxstevenicholxx8732
@xxstevenicholxx8732 Жыл бұрын
Great video great explanation. Absolutely amazing view from your tank out over the pond
@RichardCurrie
@RichardCurrie Жыл бұрын
You might be able to improve performance by building a tiny weir at the intake for the rampump to ensure good water availablity. Additionally, as others have said, you can add additional ram pumps to increase flow to the tote.
@sweetjesus697
@sweetjesus697 Жыл бұрын
nice work Adam, not sure if you have a need or if your creek runs fast enough but I saw a great video from Marty T channel in new Zealand, he converted a washing machine into a generator to power his house. Looking forward to seeing more on your house build, and the differences in construction methods you guys use up there compared to us.
@wideyxyz2271
@wideyxyz2271 Жыл бұрын
Marty is a top bloke love his videos
@PurpleCollarLife
@PurpleCollarLife Жыл бұрын
Physics - so fun! We always enjoy your high-speed walking edits. Nice project, Adam.
@jayham1970
@jayham1970 Жыл бұрын
I must say that your ram pump probably pumps more water than any ram pump that I have ever seen. 1 gallon in 45 seconds is pretty amazing. Great job. 👍🏅👏👏👏
@lesliechan68
@lesliechan68 Жыл бұрын
These old school science really are needed, and water is such a powerful resource, it can really be incredibly useful, imagine you have a stronger flow of water (maybe use damming), you can make yourself a hydro electric plant, I’ve seen small designs generate 1Kw power 24/7 and it’s free and environmentally friendly.
@doctorkhumalo9470
@doctorkhumalo9470 Ай бұрын
Evening I'm watching your videos ram pump it can pull water from 400m in the dam
@SteelPineTree
@SteelPineTree Жыл бұрын
The only calculation I haven't heard you make is what is the rate of evaporation on the open surface of the pond. I'm guessing it's a lot less than 1.33 gallons per minute generally. On extremely hot sunny windy days I'd love to know the worst amount that does occur. Thank you very much for going to all the trouble and videography of sharing this with all of us!
@firefly510
@firefly510 Жыл бұрын
I built one of those about ten years ago after seeing one in the hills nearby, but never had a stream nearby to check its reliability. I was able to verify the functionality, and was amazed that it worked so well.
@donlowe9125
@donlowe9125 Жыл бұрын
Great deal , I’m glad you found a solution
@GrowinAlaska
@GrowinAlaska Жыл бұрын
A simple tee fitting at the top of the hill would negate the need for the tote, as it would break the siphon. Also, try reinstalling the spring in the check valve now that the air is out of the line.
@Mm-ik9uq
@Mm-ik9uq Жыл бұрын
I agree and the siphon will help the pump..
@Mm-ik9uq
@Mm-ik9uq Жыл бұрын
Using a larger pump on the discharge side would help deliver more water..Smaller pump cause friction which requires more pressure to get the same volume. Using a larger pump lowers the required pressure, and help it deliver more with less work..
@anthonysmith8981
@anthonysmith8981 Жыл бұрын
Interesting ram pump application. It was a good description of the way they work and will certainly be helpful to many. Having said that, I can’t understand why you are not using the siphon effect of the pond being below your creek. The ram pump could prime it and you could connect the two lines at the tank after you have good flow… you wouldn’t hurt the ram pump but the more superior siphon effect would make it unneeded until the next time you need to prime the lines.
@WVRetreat
@WVRetreat Жыл бұрын
Good idea. I would add a bypass around the ram pump so that you could use it to prime the line then bypass it after the water is flowing.
@Scott-ms3ug
@Scott-ms3ug Жыл бұрын
Amazing project 👌 definitely one to remember. Great work
@rickeyman2215
@rickeyman2215 Жыл бұрын
Always enjoy your videos. Thanks!
@alansummerscales3376
@alansummerscales3376 Жыл бұрын
Remove the ibc and run the pipe all the way, that will reduce your effective head and the ram will pump faster. More water. If it siphons and stops the pump then put a valve on the hammer check valve,so once running you can syphon all the way.
@FelonyVideos
@FelonyVideos Жыл бұрын
Dude, at least by the video appearance, your pond is way lower than your creekbed. Assuming the creekbank is not more than 30 feet above the creek bottom, a simple siphon should give you 10 times more volume. But, this is still very cool.
@vidaalternativa6017
@vidaalternativa6017 Жыл бұрын
That's true Adam, try it out, you can make water go uphill throw siphoning.
@TakeNoneForTheTeam
@TakeNoneForTheTeam Жыл бұрын
Right. Seems like taking water from current screened intake location to the pond is worth trying if it is higher up.
@HarrisonCountyStudio
@HarrisonCountyStudio Жыл бұрын
This is exactly how water utilities supply water. Potable water is pumped into elevated tanks, then gravity will distribute the water thru out the system.
@andrewmilsted9361
@andrewmilsted9361 Жыл бұрын
It depends on if the height gain is more than 10 m, if it is, a siphon can't work because you can only suck up water 10 m (in perfect conditions) so the limit is likely to be less. You could try from the where the water is being taken from, but you still need to find a way to prime the siphon.
@FelonyVideos
@FelonyVideos Жыл бұрын
The ram pump could still be used to start and restart the siphon, if the siphon works at all. Just as a side note, there is a process that uses something similar to desalinate water and make it drinkable. When a siphon is higher than 33 feet, a vacuum forms at the top, but it not really a vacuum, it is low pressure water vapor. What condenses on the other side of said vacuum is pure distilled water. It's an almost energy free way of getting drinking water from the dirtiest of sources. P.S. Other than sheer stupidity by politicians, there is almost no reason this technique isn't used by most cities. The technology isn't that complicated, and there doesn't even need to be any moving parts.
@sirfultonbishop
@sirfultonbishop Жыл бұрын
Fascinating. Depending on the water demand of the pond, you could always add another one or two.
@JohnLRice
@JohnLRice Жыл бұрын
Nicely done and documented, sir! 🙌
@alexkasacous
@alexkasacous Жыл бұрын
Seems like a good way to harvest a little water without negatively impacting the creek. A solar run low flow pump emptying into the IBC tote might also be worth considering. I reckon a couple of years to fill the pond, couple more for fine clay sediment to seal it up, so 5-10 years and you'll have a pond/dam that will be enjoyed for decades or more.
@rd19371
@rd19371 Жыл бұрын
Hubby
@alexkasacous
@alexkasacous Жыл бұрын
@@rd19371 ? No.
@HarrisonCountyStudio
@HarrisonCountyStudio Жыл бұрын
What is the elevation difference between the creek and the pond? If the pond is lower, you may be able to create a syphon. This would eliminate the need for a pump. Great video and knowledge shared ✌🏽
@MrRickoscar
@MrRickoscar Жыл бұрын
I would like to know the difference also.
@FreeFinca
@FreeFinca Жыл бұрын
Nine days and still no answer?
@MrRickoscar
@MrRickoscar Жыл бұрын
@@FreeFinca I think some ones head is getting a little big with 98,000 subscriber's.
@FreeFinca
@FreeFinca Жыл бұрын
@@MrRickoscar Or just so many questions and not enough time. All that equipment to play on, I wouldn't be answering questions either 🤣
@QUIX4U
@QUIX4U Жыл бұрын
Actually - the SYPHON effect - will increase the flow of water - such that the pond can still be well above the creek, just as long as there can be NO air entry between the pump (near the creek) and the pond outlet. The reason is totally simple. A syphon works by having a completely filled (with water in your case) pipeline between the inlet & outlet. NOTE: You will still need a way to fill that syphon pipe that's above either the inlet or the outlet. Simply tossing a pipe over a hill - with a new pipe full of air - syphons nothing if the pipe isn't filled with water before you attempt to syphone anything (you need it filled with water or any air in that pipe will be removing any syphon- effect) No pump means the outlet MUST be below the inlet. And some means has to be added to allow you to fully fill the outlet (downhill) pipe, as well as most if not all of the inlet pipe Adding any pump that (as we can see) can pump anywhere up to a 30 ft head - means that the outlet of the syphon pipe (at the pond) can easily be close to that 30ft = ABOVE the pump itself. You can only determine how close, by ensuring all the air is removed from both the inlet & outlet pipes, before testing the tolerances of that system. As soon as the pump pipe is connected to a syphon pipe (one running down the hill) any water throughput will increase
@airgunner0335
@airgunner0335 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your time and information it will come in very handy in the future
@fredvizzan2199
@fredvizzan2199 Жыл бұрын
Great job! pretty good explained how this dynamic water column "swing" pump works" Thank you , I enjoyed 🙂
@hevychevy87
@hevychevy87 Жыл бұрын
Great job Adam! Those ram pumps are so cool. Take care!
@scottieray
@scottieray Жыл бұрын
Love projects like this. And local shops are almost always best, even if prices are higher the level of service is worth the price.
@salmonseaker
@salmonseaker Жыл бұрын
Good job. I saw a small hammer pump, pump from a creek up into a storage tank in a cabin in Alaska. Then gravity feed the plumping in the cabin. Very cool idea. You did a great job. Hope it worked out well for you.
@kevinsmeltzer8053
@kevinsmeltzer8053 Жыл бұрын
Cool video. You could double your capacity by making a second pump that's relatively cheap since both pumps could share the same black tubing after the IBC tote.
@robgad2271
@robgad2271 Жыл бұрын
Ram pumps work fine, but slowly, and there are a few fine points to using them. One is the vent check can have a line running off to the side to keep a puddle out of your work area, but don't run it up hill because it will stop the flow. The filter sock you make is find for a few minutes, but you probably need one about five feet long. The other very helpful info is you should start with a 4" inlet, for the first 10 feet under the creek flow, the first five feet can be drilled and a sock put over the inlet all the way up over all of the holes, this can be held on with a band clamp. Before the 4" pipe elbows up add a 4x3 reducer, run a few feet of 3" then use a 45° elbow not a 90°, because each 90will have a 15% loss of flow. Reduce from the 3 to your supply line fitting and this contraption will give you a stronger flow. Where a lot of rise is needed, the trick is to build a series of thousand gallon ponds or tanks, run out of that into a second ramp pump, etc., until you get to the top. As long as the inlets don't clog or freeze, they will flow flow 24/7 and have little maintenance.
@cmh-re
@cmh-re Жыл бұрын
In theory if you manage to make a perfect syphon on the pipe going to the lake, whitout bubbles, it will reduce the head pressure required for the pump and increase flow. You can tune your valve frequency by adding weights to it using a junction nut
@djdickey
@djdickey Жыл бұрын
using a second pressure vessel after the apex with a height taller than the apex is what would be needed to maintain the syphon from the ram pump. The ram pump becomes the priming method for the siphon as you know, the second pressure vessel is really an anti air gap vessel. You'll need to put a valve to allow air to escape for priming and then close the valve once the second vessel is full. Probably a good place for a simple air bleed valve so you don't have to maintain manually bleeding it.
@ThreePhaseHigh
@ThreePhaseHigh Жыл бұрын
Nice video I built one Years ago but had forgotten about them they work just as you described definitely a slick way to get yourself some pressure water pressure when You’re a living out in the sticks
@bsimpson6204
@bsimpson6204 Жыл бұрын
I worked in a small hardware shop and it was like that all the time, customer asked and we sorted it out with them. Very satisfying work and it resulted in lots of returning customers.
@paulkramer4176
@paulkramer4176 Жыл бұрын
Looks like you might have the solution there for your ponds water needs, but, as others have said, IF the elevation of the creek is high enough, there is no reason you couldn't or shouldn't just run a pipe directly from the creek. We don't know the elevational differences between the two. Ok, if you have a 30' wall between the two, you still might well get it done with a siphon, if you were able to upstream even a little. Keep it below 30' (10 meters at sea level) and you should be fine. I've dealt with water for many years too. I can't tell you how many times I've seen people try to run a line between two systems and try to keep it "level so that there won't be air blockage. There is NO need to do that. Better for long distance running of water to NOT be "level". Run it DOWN from the source, and UP to the reservoir! then there will be little chance of a air barrier. Also you can put a valve at the bottom to drain the sediment if need be. The Ram pump is good, and a good solution if there is not much water. Another solution that many folks don't know about is the "high lifter" water pump. Again, no fuel, no electricity, almost no moving parts. It also uses the water pressure (gravity) to pump. With one of those you trade elevation for some use of water. you can pump using the head you have. If you have 10 foot of head, then you can pump 1/4 of that and (lose the rest into your creek) and you get 40' of head. Or, if you have to go higher, you can pump 1/9 and get 90 feet of head, (9 times the original head) There are advantages to each. There is less wear and tear on the system, and no "ram!" of the water, thus no "noise" (The rams do make a bit of noise that may or not bother you) The high lifters have a very good reputation, but I don't think you can easily build one yourself. Still they cost way less than a well, and they have a very long lifespan. IF you have a lot of water, (say 4 to10 times more than you need someplace) and you have head, then you can get pump water a very long distance with these. I've seen one that pumped the water over 1000 feet and an elevation from the pump of 200 feet. They had a creek with an elevational drop of 40' from where they drew the water to where they pumped it. I think they put the pump in 20 years or more ago and it is still pumping fine.... I don't have as much water, so I pipe to a holding tank and use a solar pump, (Lorentz) to pump mine up about 180 feet of head. But there are Chinese pumps that cost about 1/5th or less, and sound pretty good too.
@dav1dsm1th
@dav1dsm1th Жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure running the ram pump directly into a syphon would work perfectly. In effect you'd then have a self priming syphon - and your flow would be much better (once the air was purged all the way down to the pond). If you don't think it would work... test it. It would take half an hour to temporarily bypass the storage tank to confirm whether it would work as a syphon. All this is assuming the pond is lower than the water source.
@jmaus2k
@jmaus2k Жыл бұрын
Agree. And put the output pipe under the water at the pond, then it wont pull air back in the pipe.
@jaseastroboy9240
@jaseastroboy9240 Жыл бұрын
Just make sure to put a check valve in line to prevent a broken hose down at the ram pump on the pond side causing a reverse siphon where your whole pond gets emptied into the creek. Or as has been suggested just put a tee in at the highest point with a short length of vertical open ended pipe to break the siphon and use a second or third pump to increase the water flow if needed. A reverse siphon event would be very bad and may not be noticed until the pond was emptied or at least emptied down to the level of the submerged pipe.
@dav1dsm1th
@dav1dsm1th Жыл бұрын
@@jaseastroboy9240 I'm pretty sure a ram pump is based on a check valve - so an additional one should not be needed. And breaking the syphon is exactly the opposite of what I'm suggesting - as, once the ram pump has primed the syphon, it would be better/quicker than the ram pump. But I'm not a smart man.
@jaseastroboy9240
@jaseastroboy9240 Жыл бұрын
@@dav1dsm1th I think i just did a bad job of describing it. The check valve suggestion was for the pipe going from the top of the weir down to the pond. It isn't necessary for the operation of the setup, it is just a safety mechanism. If for example the hose from the output of the ram pump was a continuous line up over the weir and down to the pond then if the hose became detached at the output of the ram pump. By storm damage, sun damage, vandalism etc. Then depending on the relative heights you may get a siphon effect from the pond to the creek. The opposite of what is wanted and potentially able to empty the pond into the creek. A check valve could be added to prevent the reversal of the water flow, it would do nothing normally and would only close if the water flow reversed.If the pond is lower than the creek then this would not be an issue. If the creek is higher than the pond then a siphon would work better, especially if the pipe was cut into the weir a bit so that the "hump" that the water had to get over was less. I think somebody already mentioned that the excavator could probably cut a trench 10 feet deep from one side of the weir to the other, drop in the hose and then fill the trench back in. Basically the pipe would run through the weir 10 feet below the top of the weir. This should improve the siphon effect and the water flow rate. My suggestion of the vertical pipe at the top of the weir was to break the siphon as a way to ensure there was no chance of a reverse siphon effect. Not to improve the flow rate.
@dav1dsm1th
@dav1dsm1th Жыл бұрын
@@jaseastroboy9240 TL/DR. Have a great day.
@resistireland694
@resistireland694 2 ай бұрын
Great video Brother, very informative and straight to the point, thanks for sharing 👍🇮🇪
@thouartit
@thouartit Жыл бұрын
Of course this will cost $$, but you can hire a backhoe or rent one and add a couple more ponds below outlet pipe, and connect them together with a shallow ditch. When one overflows, it goes into the next one downhill. The ditch will allow the water table to regenerate and benefit all the permaculture downhill. I would not run plastic pipe from the outlet, but cut in a 4 foot wide ditch down to the next pond. Great vid out now called water wizard of Oregon. Dan tipping will take you on a tour of his pond set up. He is good at explaining what a number of ponds can mean for your land and believe me it is all good news for you amigo.
@JohnnyD23
@JohnnyD23 Жыл бұрын
Good Job man. Hopefully rain and snow can help. Curious with your design, could you make it bigger? Bigger, pvc, wider hose? Time is always a factor. Non the less, awesome work! Liked and subscribed
@driedprinterke6988
@driedprinterke6988 Жыл бұрын
Hi @Adam, nice project.. Just a quick question: Could this system be build without the 2 red ball valves in the front and at the end? And also Is there a bike tire in the pressure tank?
@briarz101
@briarz101 Жыл бұрын
Well done. (NPI) As watching was wondering if you had purged the air, makes a big difference. The concept isn't new but that looks well built with inexpensive parts. I have worked maintenance for a water processing plant, and came up with a solution for pumping up steep hills. Same concept applied, the "hammer" effect especially. It allowed the pumps to to be switched more accurately. Ended up building and selling more , not the same but is amazing how it can work, Some of the old fountains 2000 yrs. ago worked on this concept. Thanks for the info, I have a great application for very similar scenario. Going to build one. Keep up the good work!
@davidedwards3734
@davidedwards3734 Жыл бұрын
Great video!!! Lots of people in SE Georgia use ram pumps to water their livestock. Have a Safe Day
@joesixpack8305
@joesixpack8305 Жыл бұрын
Adam, have you considered running a larger ram pump setup or perhaps running a second ram pump in parallel to increase output?
@pelbagaiinfo4466
@pelbagaiinfo4466 Жыл бұрын
large ram pump kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Z9WclNanncjUknk.html
@patrioticamerican8355
@patrioticamerican8355 Жыл бұрын
You can eliminate the vertical check valve by putting another vertical tank like you have Downstream of your swing check valve you could just simply copy that in place of the first vertical check valve that you call the spring check valve you can eliminate that and just put in another bottle on top of it
@sanusitunde8266
@sanusitunde8266 Жыл бұрын
The pressure building inside that first tube will disrupt the neutral pressure neede for the initial water inrush to the system
@joshbehrns175
@joshbehrns175 Жыл бұрын
I spent 8 years as an irrigation technician, you might want to re dig up where you crossed the driveway put in 3" pvc then put your 1" line through the pvc, the pvc will be a sleeve and help from crushing/poking holes in your poly line
@HometownAcres
@HometownAcres Жыл бұрын
That thought had crossed my mind
@peteatthefarm4459
@peteatthefarm4459 Жыл бұрын
Very cool, wish I had a creek to use this.... My pond is land locked and only fed by mother nature.... Thanks for sharing.... Pete from Canada 🇨🇦
@pdzh
@pdzh Жыл бұрын
For siphon not to happen, add a standpipe on the hill of delivery pipe, it will allow air to enter the pipe and not create siphon effect.
@motnitsua29
@motnitsua29 Жыл бұрын
but you benefit from the siphon
@pdzh
@pdzh Жыл бұрын
@@motnitsua29 not in ram pump on the delivery side. It requires a pressure to operate
@motnitsua29
@motnitsua29 Жыл бұрын
@@pdzh it is the total head that operates teh pump. the siphon still has head pressure.
@pdzh
@pdzh Жыл бұрын
@@motnitsua29 yes, unless it makes a siphon that pulls the pump side too much even for a moment
@motnitsua29
@motnitsua29 Жыл бұрын
Total static head is the difference in elevation between the ram and the creek intake. It's what creates the velocity in the pipe that drives the ram. A siphon doesn't affect the total static head. More important is the diameter of the feed pipe which contributes to friction losses and robs the ram of its energy which it gets from the static head differential.
@williamlarocque2910
@williamlarocque2910 Жыл бұрын
Cool project! If the pond is lower than the stream, why not just direct siphon?
@mandiegarrett1706
@mandiegarrett1706 Жыл бұрын
Unless I am mistaken, I think he said the creek is lower than his pond, that's why he has to pump water uphill to the tote then from tote he can siphon water to the pond since pond is lower than the tote but not lower than the creek...that's my understanding, please correct me if I am wrong because I am learning. Thank you.
@lauriehudson9493
@lauriehudson9493 Жыл бұрын
@@mandiegarrett1706 yes, your right. The creek is lower than the pond.
@rickbell3402
@rickbell3402 Жыл бұрын
Good for you, Adam, trying out something new on your property!
@AB-C1
@AB-C1 Жыл бұрын
Great project! Cheers from London England 👍😎🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
@nickgironda8932
@nickgironda8932 Жыл бұрын
Incredible! What about freezing, Adam?
@HometownAcres
@HometownAcres Жыл бұрын
I said at the end I will pull it out of the creek during the winter
@leehorton269
@leehorton269 Жыл бұрын
This was VERY interesting..nice work Adam..
@KenMrKLC
@KenMrKLC Жыл бұрын
Awesome! thanks for sharing.
@sharpshorts
@sharpshorts Жыл бұрын
Why not just use a siphon** line? Seems to me that you don't need to use a ram pump... Or you could use both to get a greater amount of flow into the pond. (the siphon line could use the same discharge line as the ram pump' or a separate (larger diameter?) line could be run to the pond... ** The siphon line would need : a line from the stream to the pond ... with a line fill port at the top of the bank and two on/off valves in the siphon line. IE; place intake valve #1 in the creek (under the creek's water level) and place the discharge valve #2 down the hill (such that it's lower than the creek level intake valve #1) . Initially you would need to close both valves then completely fill the section of line between the valves... to get the siphon started, 1st open intake valve #1 and then the discharge valve #2. Once the siphon starts, water will continue to flow until the intake line is lifted out of the creek or the creek runs dry...
@JoeMalovich
@JoeMalovich Жыл бұрын
Siphons only work reliably up to a certain height, somewhere under 33ft. He says the hill there is about that much so I doubt it would work unless the siphon ran around the bank further down the slope.
@sharpshorts
@sharpshorts Жыл бұрын
@@JoeMalovich You could be right ... I don't know much about siphon properties but -- I've watched a few letsdig18 videos (I stayed @ a Holiday Inn last night😁) where he uses a 4" pcv pipe to drain ponds... but perhaps those outlets were less than 30 feet lower than the inlets.
@jazzdad52
@jazzdad52 Жыл бұрын
Several comments mentioned that the pond “looks” lower than the stream bed, so it could all be done by siphoning. However, if the pond is not lower, a partial siphon effect could still help if the reserve tank is eliminated. If the pipe stays continuous, it will have the effect of seeming to reduce the height that the pump needs to push the water. Once the water reaches the high point, where he put the open tank, it creates an air break. Instead, if the pipe continues unbroken downhill, than every foot that it drops will pull the water at least part way. If it only drops 10 feet, it will reduce the work the pump needs to push the water as though it was pumping 10 feet less to the high point. It will still need to pump to the full height, until the pipe is full, and the water starts to flow down the other side. However, if the downhill pipe doesn’t create a solid column of water, it will allow air to flow back up (from the pond side) and stop the siphon “assist” effect. It might help to use a smaller diameter pipe on the downhill leg to the pond. Depending on the amount of water flowing down, the water needs to block off air returning back up to the high point. Possibly a check valve at the pond end will stop air from going up the pipe, stopping the siphon effect. The reason a true siphon works is that the water on the downside weighs more than the water on the up side. The lower the outlet, the more difference in weight there is. But if air enters from the outlet, it will stop the siphon. If the down doesn’t weigh more than the up, it won’t siphon on its own, but will effectively reduce the pressure the pump needs to create, as though it was only pumping to the height difference to the pond. If it pumps 25’ up, then flows back down 15’, the pump only needs to lift 10’ (after initially filling the 25’ up)
@bobhoward9016
@bobhoward9016 Жыл бұрын
my friend, it's a strange but actual fact that siphoning only works up to a specific pressure. I can't say what that pressure is or if that pressure would apply here. but I suggested this to the hydrology PhD that was installing my well and he says that the negative pressure will pull oxygen out of the water and generate an air pocket which will necessarily negate siphoning effect. I've been pumping water and building off grid water systems for over 30 years and my experience is you are correct, up to around 20-30 lbs negative pressure. good luck 👍
@sestun
@sestun Жыл бұрын
The problem is the ram pump itself need the pressure from the delivery pipe to work. If you siphon the water out (even partially) it will stop working.
@WeChallenge
@WeChallenge Жыл бұрын
@@sestun I disagree, if the ram has to push 30 ft up and siphon effect going down to the pond has a 15 ft drop down, the down pull of the 15 ft on the pond side would zero out 15 ft of the ram side having to be pushed up, leaving the pressure needed to the ram would have reduced load on the output side makingvit work to push the water only as high as the lowest point of the siphon outlet end or a head pressure equal to having it lift water only 15 ft rather than 30. For this to work,, the outlet side of pipe would need to be bled of all air, sealed, and it would have no need for an outlet check valve so long as the end stays submerged in the pond8s needed, so long as the end stays submerged in the pond no air could backtrack into the system causing a continuous reduced load so long as the pond outlet isn't lower than the creek bed it should actually work, and reduce the load needed to push the water the 30 ft elevation.
@sestun
@sestun Жыл бұрын
@@WeChallenge ​ @WeChallenge I think you imagine that ram pump works like an electric or gas pump. The less load on it the better. But the ram pump needs the back pressure from the outlet pipe or it will stop working. @landtohouse actually has a recent install, when they wanted to lift the water only to a certain height, but then they had to move it much higher or the pump stopped working.
@TheDMTLover
@TheDMTLover Жыл бұрын
True about free flowing intake in the reservoir then taping into the reservoir. Free flowing downward prevents creating sucking pressure may affect the PSI at the source. And you can filter some particles in the reservoir (tote). Thx for sharing & Great job. If you need more water, just add another one. You may have enough pressure to add a water turbine and make electricity !!
@jeyburns.t9209
@jeyburns.t9209 Жыл бұрын
Great video. Thanks for sharing!
@HabitatRestoration
@HabitatRestoration Жыл бұрын
My state requires a permit to remove ANY water from a "surface water" source like a stream. Without a permit, the DNR would hand the landowner a citation which could be at least as much as a pump, and they might require you to remove the whole setup to boot, especially if you were reducing stream flow by 500,000 gallon per year. Maybe that is not an issue in the state where this video was produced. However, the host should have at least addressed the topic of getting a permit.
@stevenphelps5626
@stevenphelps5626 Жыл бұрын
Totally awesome my main man! Thanks for sharing this wonderful idea 💡 😀 😊 ❤️
@billkiessel6682
@billkiessel6682 Жыл бұрын
very interesting! thanks for sharing, love your channel!!
@gailmrutland6508
@gailmrutland6508 Жыл бұрын
*Nice Toys. Next time I want something I will show my wife this vid! LOL!! Kudos.*
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