Why is the Honkai Series so Confusing?! - Translation and Terminology Issues Explained

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Homu Labs

Homu Labs

11 ай бұрын

Have you ever wondered how all the HoYoverse games like Genshin Impact, Honkai: Star Rail, and Honkai Impact 3rd are connected? Why do we have variants of the same character in different games? Or why do so many of the games share identical concepts? Well, if you said "yes", then this video series is for you. Welcome to 'Exploring the Honkai Universe', a five-part video series meant to explore different facets of the Honkai Universe, trying to explain how all the HoYoverse games are connected on a Cosmological level.
This is the first video in the series and it will address the various issues with the translation of the games and the inconsistent use of terminology. These issues make it almost impossible to obtain solid evidence to connect the games, unless… we use the CN text instead of the English one. With that in mind, this video uses the CN text and terminology to point out connections between the game and explain why the EN translation has so many errors that may provide a misleading image when trying to tackle the Cosmology of the Honkai series.
As the series progresses, more videos explaining the Honkai Universe and its structure will come out. I want to note that this video series is a long-time project that I will be working on in the following months, together with other video projects that are relevant to the current lore of the game.
I also want to thank the entire Hoyostans community for their help with this series, especially when it came to digging up information about GGZ! Hoyostans is a community of dedicated HoYoverse fans, who offer in-depth coverage of their games, with a ton of guides and fun trivia. They have the most complete story guide for Honkai Impact 3rd and are constantly adding new information. So, go check them out!
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ㅇ Star Rail - Lore FAQ Doc: docs.google.com/document/d/12...
ㅇ Mihoyo's CEO confirming Genshin is in the Honkai Universe (KerubielZ) : • Mihoyo's CEO confirmin...
ㅇ Genshin Wiki - Rex Incognito: genshin-impact.fandom.com/wik...
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@HomuLabs
@HomuLabs 11 ай бұрын
This video literally took the soul of out me, but in the end, it was worth it. I am very happy that I was finally able to bring this series out. More parts will come soon. Part 2 will talk about the history of the Honkai Universe: from its inception back in the GGZ days, until the current form that we've seen recently in HSR. Thank you! SUBSCRIBE to support the content!
@lecor9487
@lecor9487 11 ай бұрын
Will you be making something about captaiverse?
@HomuLabs
@HomuLabs 11 ай бұрын
Yes I will. I don't known when yet.
@saikrishnatunuguntla2876
@saikrishnatunuguntla2876 11 ай бұрын
I already did dingyue to you.
@yass2866
@yass2866 11 ай бұрын
@@HomuLabs I think after making a video about the latest chapter would be a good idea
@just_a_doe
@just_a_doe 11 ай бұрын
Gosh darn you, the only Chinese word you didn’t butcher is Dingyue (Subscribe )
@kyura9394
@kyura9394 11 ай бұрын
"Unrealiable narrator" technique really good by concept, because we actually see character could be wrong, use theory to explain things, and adding realism to the character. But yeah sometimes is confusing AF
@deckyfiyemonda9893
@deckyfiyemonda9893 6 ай бұрын
tbh, it's just excuse device so they can retcon things again and again, Honkai Impact 3 and GGZ has been retconned multiple times
@blacksun4268
@blacksun4268 11 ай бұрын
I am a Chinese viewer, thanks for the video! I want to point out that the confusion around the galaxy/universe/world stemmed from the Chinese language itself and the culture. There are still A LOT of Chinese people who mix them up today (using those words in general, even without talking about the game). It is probably NOT the translator's fault because I believe A LOT of Chinese people still can't distinguish the meaning of those words in Chinese.
@bruhhhhh1666
@bruhhhhh1666 10 ай бұрын
the cosmos’ terms are difficult and confusing for everyone who don’t get too much into it, i used to mess them up in my language, too
@MoonfallEquinox
@MoonfallEquinox 10 ай бұрын
I just assumed they thought the Galaxy was the Universe and vise versa
@HyperLinkRedacted
@HyperLinkRedacted 9 ай бұрын
As a Chinese viewer, no way waifus with chinese names
@siyuren7723
@siyuren7723 9 ай бұрын
所以,应该是一个世界里有多宇宙一个宇宙里有很多星系…吧…?
@rickysampson8759
@rickysampson8759 4 ай бұрын
@@siyuren7723no. Universe is the big one. Many galaxies live in a universe and multiple world in one galaxy
@MoskusMoskiferus1611
@MoskusMoskiferus1611 11 ай бұрын
That Planet dialogue got me confused lol, Vita said she come from Mars and then when Susannah said Venus, Vita just agreed
@HomuLabs
@HomuLabs 11 ай бұрын
Yeah, that's a mistranslation. She is from Venus, nor Mars.
@Yo-vo3ne
@Yo-vo3ne 11 ай бұрын
I agree. I'm from Spain and I was like"Huh?! Maybe I have to take more English classes..?"
@tidehunterzamora9315
@tidehunterzamora9315 11 ай бұрын
Soo technically Welt can Go home but choose not to because he will get killed by Tesla..
@HomuLabs
@HomuLabs 11 ай бұрын
He says that the Express doesn't have Earth on it's records, so we can assume that there is no star rail connecting Earth to the rest of the Universe yet. Because of this, he must find another way home since the Express cannot get there. He also said that he asked Herta to send a message to his family on Earth to let then know that he is alright.
@Aasokeo
@Aasokeo 11 ай бұрын
Woah where did it say he asked Herta to send a message? Was it a data bank entry? @@HomuLabs
@tidehunterzamora9315
@tidehunterzamora9315 11 ай бұрын
@@HomuLabs imagine Kiana being the Aeon Terminus (Theory) and the Astral Express crew except Welt was shock to meet at Actual Aeon in Human Form. I would love to see there reactions..
@riku861
@riku861 11 ай бұрын
@@tidehunterzamora9315 I think it's more likely that she's an emanator, since finality has existed long before Kiana.
@HomuLabs
@HomuLabs 11 ай бұрын
@Aasokeo It's in one of his dialogue lines on the Express. I don't remember exactly right now when, but I'll look into it when I have a bit of time and come back with an edit.
@Kiwi-Araga
@Kiwi-Araga 11 ай бұрын
The unreliable narrator plays a dual role in every story, with both positive and negative aspects. On one hand, it enriches world-building, adding a sense of realism. Conversely, it causes confusion among those who fail to pay attention and accept the narrative as absolute truth. I'm seeing people still believing that Cecilia died during the 2nd Eruption because she was weakened after childbirth. Understandably, not everyone reads the manga, or if they do, they get confused because they were first exposed to Schicksal propaganda and HoV's attempt to rage-bait Kiana in the game. Not to forget that HoV get the dates wrong (probably her time perception was screwed up by being asleep for so long). In the early chapters, you can see the unreliable narrator at its best. The manga reflects events as they occurred, while the game offers perspectives tinged by characters' ulterior motives. Parallels can be drawn to real life, where countries mold history to align with their agendas. When conflicts exist between neighboring nations, historical accounts can be reshaped to vilify the other party. Instances exist where certain countries deny genocides and specific events, despite global awareness of such occurrences. Furthermore, mass media perpetuates sensationalism, often disseminating misinformation. Painting a distant country in a negative light via media outlets, featuring exaggerated or false allegations, serves as an effective way to garner attention from individuals seeking self-validation. This parallels the Schicksal propaganda in the initial chapters and Theresa's chronicles. They are a powerful organization that is trying to hide many skeletons in the closet. The players will be exposed to that false information and will take it for granted because they will not research further. The same happens in Genshin with many truths being hidden from the common folk, including books that were banned by higher divine forces.
@Yo-vo3ne
@Yo-vo3ne 11 ай бұрын
Can you put an example of an unreliable narrator in the early chapter?
@kuroh0241
@kuroh0241 11 ай бұрын
They are a lot more clear in Star Rail with mentioning when they are explaining a THEORY or that it's a historical record from someones point of view. Or the character very often mention that tbh they don't know what they are talking about. Feels like a feedback from previous games.
@nicolaivisashi4708
@nicolaivisashi4708 11 ай бұрын
...I thought Cecilia did die in the second eruption tho?
@Zino_Kohiruimaki
@Zino_Kohiruimaki 11 ай бұрын
​@@nicolaivisashi4708Like she did But she let herself die to Stay with Sirin in her last Space-Time
@nicolaivisashi4708
@nicolaivisashi4708 11 ай бұрын
@@Zino_Kohiruimaki ah, okay. thought i wasn't forgetting things
@just_a_doe
@just_a_doe 11 ай бұрын
Here is the generally accepted explanation in the CN community, star rail is by far the largest scale when it comes to the Hoyo multiverse, which can be simply put as the whole Imaginary tree, so no multiple trees. The whole Multiverse thing is a mistranslation and a misuse of worlds. 世界(world) is generally just a planet or a star system or a gigantic space vessel. These are the leaves on the TREE. 宇宙(universe) is the whole of imaginary tree, the whole of known existence of the material dimension. 星系(galaxy) is a star rail exclusive for rhetorical purposes due to its space Sci-fi theme, it’s almost interchangeable with 世界(world) Between worlds or galaxies are a barrier consisted of Imaginary energy, the only known way to travel consistently between the barriers is the star rail made by Akilivi the Trailblaze. (The space ship that brings Welt on to the star rail is another, but that seems like a one time use thing) So that’s why we got 2 Bronyas in star rail, they are from different galaxies or if you want to say different worlds.
@BNuts
@BNuts 11 ай бұрын
I thought all of _HSR_ is a single bubble universe (leaf) on the Imaginary Tree (which is also why we _wouldn't_ have a crossover between it and the other games, unless others came through with similar methods to what brought Welt and Void Archives). Remember: each bubble world (universe) is a leaf on the Imaginary Tree. Bronie, Magical Girl Sirin, Kongming, Rosemary, and Delta all come from their own bubble worlds that were in the process of dissolving into the Sea of Quanta, but they were also once on the Imaginary.
@Lol-Lol0
@Lol-Lol0 11 ай бұрын
Actually there is another ship that can travel between world and that is the captain hyperion in honkai impact 3rd. After all he keeps travelling one world to another but there is also another ship that can also travel between world and that ship belong to one of that ninja yae organization. At least we can see that ninja yae organization clash with captain organization. Anyway i'm excited to see what will happen if star rail express meet with either both of those organization.
@Ackane
@Ackane 11 ай бұрын
@@BNuts that's not really the case, HSR has a bigger scale and it mentioned traversing the imaginary space from world to world multiple time. Welt mentions the only reason he can't go back to his home world is because the star rail doesn't reach there. Herta also has a curio that is from Teyvat (wing glider)
@kuroh0241
@kuroh0241 11 ай бұрын
@@BNuts You are a victim of the misstranslations. Bubble worlds are not leafs of the imaginary tree, they are parts of the Sea of Quanta which is a releated, but separate entity. It's called "bubble world" not "world" for a reason. Imagine a tree submarged under water. The water is Sea of Quanta, the tree is Imaginary Tree, leafs are worlds, and watter bubbles are bubble worlds.
@stuffzluvverz_7665
@stuffzluvverz_7665 11 ай бұрын
Didn't the latest chapter show Kiana holding two whole bubble universes? It had it's own galaxies and stars and planets. And those are the ones that fell from the leaves of the tree that went into the Sea of Quanta.
@evanlourie
@evanlourie 11 ай бұрын
Mihoyo really should get a style guide together for the different loc houses they work with so that there is consistency for all the proper nouns
@danishsyed1068
@danishsyed1068 11 ай бұрын
That and Mihoyo should really stop using the same word for multiple conspects in CN.
@raymondan4701
@raymondan4701 11 ай бұрын
@@danishsyed1068As a Chinese person, I must disagree. There are multiple meanings in English for a single word in Chinese, and vice versa. For example, we all use the word “play” to describe sports, but in Chinese they often use different words for different sports.
@paywand3513
@paywand3513 11 ай бұрын
People really get confused a lot because they want an instant explanation and just go with one thing that they hear from a character and don't consider anything else. This video is really great, showing many of the misconceptions and errors.
@Rockstarmoon
@Rockstarmoon 11 ай бұрын
You know it's a good day when theres a HOMU LABS Video. I'm curious if you'll make a Summary/Chronological Order of the Captainverse Storyline now that it's coming to a close according to the CN Livestream.
@HomuLabs
@HomuLabs 11 ай бұрын
Yes, I will. I don't know when yet.
@FrenchDinosaur
@FrenchDinosaur 11 ай бұрын
That's quite the hard series to make. I have 1100 days on the games, but I'm still positive that I've missed at least 30% of what happened there. There's just so many events that brushed just a little bit of the captain-verse without actually going in. For example, many people insist that the very event that involved the "Captain" is some event called "Rita's Birthday Date" or something like that. I actually don't remember this event. From my perspective, the very first (at least in the chronology) event that involved the "Captain" is the Sanguine Nights event. That event that involved Luna (not Tericula), the one who's returning in the latest event. That's only one part of a very big clusterfuck of events. There are many many more confusing events that for some reason is part of the captain-verse. Like that one time "Captain" somehow got Seele's diary while she was still stuck in the Sea of Quanta. There was also that whole event retcon of "Captain" being "split into halves" that got completely busted off the script. So yeah, captain-verse very mind-fuckery.
@guyschill2059
@guyschill2059 11 ай бұрын
Wait it's ending?
@riski2292
@riski2292 11 ай бұрын
Search Sacron in Hoyolabs he already make summary in chronological order .
@uwu-chan
@uwu-chan 11 ай бұрын
I’m pretty sure Tericula’s story is ending, NOT Captainverse
@Hieulegen27
@Hieulegen27 11 ай бұрын
The tight schedule and lack of information arent really good reasons for a bad localization for multiple reasons: 1. Contrast to what most people think, localization in a company tends to be handled way before the update/product are released. So they have at least 2 to 3 months to fix and proof read whatever they are localizing. 2. Consistency also isnt a big issue unless they dont read properly or discuss with eachother beforehand. Because the localization team tends to get infos like way before the update is even announced, thats why in other languages the infos are extremely consistent, the problem seems to only lie in English as other languages like French and Vietnamese are fairly consistent with their translations and use of words, rarely making mistakes. If they ever make mistakes it will tend to be just ones where you can interprete it in 2 ways. 3. Also a lot of things tend to get lost if they dont localize properly or try to make it sound as close as the og possible. One good example is Welt explaining power in SR. The English over complicated it and made people boogle their mind while in fact its just "materialize the working principles of something into reality". Its that simple and explains a lot of things doesn't it? But the english translation over complicated by trying make it sound cool and sci-fi like the og. The main problem with English localization isnt that its bad, its that it just sounds way too formal and fancy a lot of time but a lot of parts dont need fanciness or formality and just needs daily convo stuffs but they did it anyways to try and replicate the "ancientness" of China while a lot of times its just made for casual stuffs. Its mostly likely because they are afraid they wont be able to convey fully the meaning of the sentence due to cultural differences. Afterall the games are designed by mostly Chinese people targetting the humor and cultural sense of people belonging to East Asian Cultures. If you can read either chinese, japanese, korean or vietnamese, you will find yourself able to enjoy the dialouges in SR/Genshin a lot more because they dont need to sound fancy to convey the meanings due to cultural similarities. One good example is Jingliu, while yes she speaks pretty formally but she can go pretty harsh and be ironic a lot of times but in English she sounds full formal. But the translation or localization isnt wrong. Its simply because outside of the 4 countries belonging to the east asian cultural spheres, the concepts and the way she talks sound just way too formal for normal dialouges because people outside the sphere simply dont talk that way. While in the sphere people when reading her dialouges will process it as ""Oh shes speaking formally but also very casually, showing the ancientness but the casualness of her personality". To them its nothing more than just casual dialouges but with a bit of ancientness in it while to people outside it will sound like they are having a spar to death like those gun battles in the wild west
@WhaleMilk
@WhaleMilk 11 ай бұрын
The Honkai universe is the best example of "you need to read everything if you want to get the whole picture" that I have encountered since The Elder Scrolls' lore. And while it takes so much more work to understand the lore that way, unreliable narration as applied to lore adds so much nuance and depth that a straight up encyclopedic retelling of the lore would completely miss. When one history in a TES game contradicts or straight up negates another, seperate history, that provides the reader not with a problem, but instead with an added layer of humanity, depth, and bias which deepens the reader's understanding of the culture that wrote said history, and by the same token, whenever you get a contradiction or falsehood told to you in a Honkai game, that adds a sense of depth to that character and hints to the player that what is going on is something that is almost lovecraftian in how much we don't--and *cant*--understand.
@HomuLabs
@HomuLabs 11 ай бұрын
Very well put! While sometimes frustrating (especially as someone who's into the lore) I agree that the unreliable narration adds a sort of unique flair and makes the characters and the worlds feel more alive and real.
@Ilikegames804
@Ilikegames804 11 ай бұрын
@@HomuLabs I have a question is the leaves of imaginary tree one world specifically or an entire solar system or an entire galaxy? Cause HI3 well they can travel to the other planets within the solar system but they are still within their respective leaves or am I wrong here.
@HomuLabs
@HomuLabs 11 ай бұрын
There is no exact boundary. The text in HSR refers to the leaves (worlds) on the Tree as Star Clusters. That implies that they can house many Stars Systems, or galaxies. If I remember correctly, Tesla even references other galaxies as part of the main "world" of HI3 in some of the manga. So, to answer your question, a "leaf"/"branch"/"world" can at least house multiple galaxies.
@Ilikegames804
@Ilikegames804 11 ай бұрын
@@HomuLabs Now here is my next question why tf does Nanook not create more Emanators nothing is stopping him from doing so. And from what we saw from Phanytila who outclasses JY by a large margin and Jing Yuan is one of the strongest known Emanators of the hunt which at least should account for at least the one of the top 5 strongest in lore and keep in mind JY had the help of a pseudo herrscher. Nanook's main goal is to destroy the Imaginary tree so wouldn't it be faster if he just made more than 7 emanators since the weakest of them can destroy galaxies.
@CreatrixTiara
@CreatrixTiara 11 ай бұрын
​@@Ilikegames804it seems you have to prove your worthiness to the Aeon to be considered an Emanator, and Nanook likely has very specific standards
@MikeJXWT
@MikeJXWT 11 ай бұрын
“Congratulations Steve, you’re a #%^€ing Normie!” Bruh I haven’t burst out laughing like that in a minute
@Holmesay-hv4hg
@Holmesay-hv4hg 11 ай бұрын
the mad man, he's actually doing it. Appreciate the effort homu !
@LegionzGaming91
@LegionzGaming91 11 ай бұрын
Can't wait to watch this once I catch up to the story since I'm playing it now, I'll be completing chapter 17 today and was told this video will spoil me to the new arc so I will hold off for now. Keep up the great content man, your videos are a godsend.
@HomuLabs
@HomuLabs 11 ай бұрын
Thanks, man! Love you reactions! Good luck with catching up to the game! It's quite a journey, especially in the latest chapters!
@jotana_ch
@jotana_ch 11 ай бұрын
Yea good that somebody warned you XD
@communitygamer117
@communitygamer117 11 ай бұрын
Did this video really spoil anything? Let me watch it again. EDIT: Ok, yeah he does show two scenes very briefly and does talk about MEI's explanation of Honkai. Otherwise nothing else, but yeah its spoilers since you haven't seen it.
@madness682
@madness682 11 ай бұрын
Chapter 17 was a good one
@natasha01108
@natasha01108 11 ай бұрын
When you say the "WORLD" meant different things or can scale depending on what scale you are referring to or where you are on that moment. Like if i say "this world" where im in Earth, means im referring world as earth, but i can also refer to the universe, or galxy or star system depending on the context. Things change when you not even in a planet. Lets say, you are inside the astral express in the middle of space. When I said "this world" its pretty basic that im not referring to a planet since im in the middle of a galaxy or star system or even universe. Anyway its pretty important to also understand this factor as things are more confusing since there are characters that use world that are not in a planet or colony. The fact that their writers are not aligned on the terms used tells me that even the chinese version are not even accurate. Which tells me that they have to start getting aligned there.. the Honkaiverse is an amazing concept but due to these inconsistencies, it creates misunderstanding and also debates the same how we describe life in based on our own experience. Unless thats intentional hehehe
@HomuLabs
@HomuLabs 11 ай бұрын
Yeah, that's why I said that it's important to use context clues to figure out what they mean when they use it in a certain manner.
@mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm4946
@mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm4946 11 ай бұрын
Yeah I’m bilingual but not a native Chinese speaker, and using sometimes the same words in diff context I would definitely translate differently ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ English is somewhat too flexible and lends itself easily to hyperbolic or artistic interpretation
@pixadragon46
@pixadragon46 11 ай бұрын
To everyone one in the comments please share this in every lore subreddit and lore youtuber, to clear up misconceptions in the community
@Lunabaeee
@Lunabaeee 11 ай бұрын
I am so happy you made this video. this is something that has been ENDLESSLY debated in lore channels/forums and there is so much misinfo spreading around due to the numerous inconsistences (due to lore reworking like especially between the GGZ and early HI3 days compared to now) and numerous translation errors I'm so happy someone finally laid it all out for the community!
@RBLakshya
@RBLakshya 11 ай бұрын
We have seen Vyn’s card stack in star rail but not sure if it’s them just adding as Easter egg or more to add to multiverse and not to mention Pela’s phone cover, also the time line of ToT is 2030, Star rail is shortly after 2029 (alien space manga where welt was there linking Apho and star rail around same time) and as for genshin we for most know the divalin when Otto saw him in the story
@HomuLabs
@HomuLabs 11 ай бұрын
Yeah, I know. But, unlike Genshin, we don't have any statements from the devs themselves that confirm that fact, so I chose to be safe and not to include it. But, most likely, both ToT and ZZZ are also part of the Honkai Universe.
@shanedoesyoutube8001
@shanedoesyoutube8001 11 ай бұрын
​@@HomuLabs you mean... The hoyoverse???
@wazowskikeith2350
@wazowskikeith2350 11 ай бұрын
​@@HomuLabsthe fischl collab could confirm the same timeline maybe?
@bisayafascist5725
@bisayafascist5725 11 ай бұрын
​@@wazowskikeith2350are collabs even canon especially the Aloy one?
@Shiro-the-Hero
@Shiro-the-Hero 11 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for your hard work! This probably took forever to put together... Just know that all of us lore enthusiasts truly appreciate your Herculean efforts! o7 This will probably end up being my favourite video series yet, if this first part is any indication. (Make sure not to overwork yourself in pursuit of this masterpiece, alright? xD)
@HomuLabs
@HomuLabs 11 ай бұрын
Thank you! The series will probably be done over the next couple of months. I plan to take my time with it as much as possible.
@Shiro-the-Hero
@Shiro-the-Hero 11 ай бұрын
@@HomuLabs I'm glad to hear it! Take as much time as you need, we'll all be patient :D
@Pardo_Giftshop
@Pardo_Giftshop 11 ай бұрын
please continue making this kinda vid sir,.. hard to find good Honkai content creators this days
@christophermolitor4554
@christophermolitor4554 11 ай бұрын
That was some serious attention to detail and that massive amount of effort is definitely appreciated. That was some of the best explanations for why translation can be so complicated, thank you for how much you put into this. I will subscribe and be tuned in for more.
@Gray_44
@Gray_44 11 ай бұрын
Great video Homu! I can see you put a lot of work into it, can't wait for the next part!
@mw_guitars
@mw_guitars 11 ай бұрын
Brilliant video! I'm looking forward to future parts to more fully understand the Honkai Universe :)
@ArchonKujo
@ArchonKujo 11 ай бұрын
This video explains so much about almost a lot of stuff I don't know, you've done your homework, amazing research, this really got more interesting, now I'm more aware on the Honkai verse, sure it gets confusing but it's fun to understand what differences and similarities will bring us to the table, this video needs more views pronto!
@mr.rubycarnation8325
@mr.rubycarnation8325 11 ай бұрын
Usually, Terminology is the important in stories. Its the thing that must have a very clear details. Maybe Genshin Impact, Honkai: Star Rand, and Honkai Impact 3rd have the same concept but see things differently.
@ghoulknight1526
@ghoulknight1526 8 ай бұрын
What is Honkai: Star Rand? Sounds interesting 🤣
@reneesalinas
@reneesalinas 11 ай бұрын
THANK YOU Homu for clearing this up. Some dude on Twitter said "it's worlds not universes" a few months back, and when everyone started questioning them and genuinely looking for their reason to think that, dude just started calling everyone dumbasses for not already knowing, like there wasn't a legit reason why everyone thought it was a multiverse. Thank you for actually explaining this and pointing out the translation errors.
@nde7816
@nde7816 11 ай бұрын
Ain't no way I just watched a whole 27 minutes of video explaining the context of the words "worlds" and "universe" throughout 4 different-yet-still-somewhat-related games 😂
@penguinchan309
@penguinchan309 11 ай бұрын
omg finally, i dont have to spend hours explaining to anyone how the games connect despite the different terminology they use. The language barrier was always a problem that only got worse with the release of star rail, as a none chinese speaker i couldnt even try to understand it myself had to rely on the community to explain the issues. (big shout out to all the translators in the community that always tried to fix this mess) its always been easier to explain it as tree and leaves and leave the rest to a player's interpretation, but now thanks to mr homu can just link this video and save myself the work lol. great video and amazing effort tbh, if mihoyo wont help us with the language barrier ig the fans has to take care of it, cant wait for the rest of the series mr homu
@Jardelsr2010
@Jardelsr2010 11 ай бұрын
Thank you for all the work. I’m so excited for this series
@jotana_ch
@jotana_ch 11 ай бұрын
Dont be like Steve. Join the Honkai impact crew (or other game idk)
@kalashnikova_
@kalashnikova_ 11 ай бұрын
Thins video was amazing - as always. Informative, creative and fun to watch. I don't know why but I have always assumed that the leaves of the imaginary tree are different structures/galaxies within one universe. It is very interesting to see the Chinese text saying the same thing and the English translation is wrong there. By the way, it was nice that you put the translation mistake into the video about Vita being from Mars ("kinsei" meaning Venus) while it was mentioned she's Venusian several times before. 😅 As always you did a great job and I'm excited for the next parts of the series! Thanks for your hard work and dedication!
@Gokuterian
@Gokuterian 11 ай бұрын
I can't express how grateful I am for the effort to make such banger vids thnx homu much appreciated
@agni1962
@agni1962 11 ай бұрын
Appreciate the immense effort that would have gone into this,looking forward to the next vid in the series as Ggz is still very foreign to me
@Frederic_S
@Frederic_S 11 ай бұрын
Thank you for making this videos. I can not say it enough how important videos like this are to me. I love HI3rd but I really need more than a little help to understand what is going on.
@sorta-7272
@sorta-7272 10 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for all the videos and explanations !
@Riverlia
@Riverlia 11 ай бұрын
Einstein might have used "universe" because she was practically talking to laymen. Usually people tend to call the 4d structure we live in "universe" instead of the entire Imaginary Tree. Beside, it's not like "world" is any less confusing. Belobog the planet is technically called a world, a planet-size space ship like the Luofu is a world, and the entirety of 4d space with galaxies in it can also be called world. People who are not aware of this vast range of "world" keep looking at these games and say "aha Genshin/HI3 are just different planets". Imagine Einstein trying to explain: Yeah Earth is a world. Yeah Mars over there is a world. Yeah the sun is a microscopic part of this world, the entire galaxy is small compare to the world really. Yes Earth is tiny compare to the Sun. Then you have bubbleworld which can be as small as building size.
@axelmagquilat6734
@axelmagquilat6734 11 ай бұрын
bro its a great day. u uploading a video and me getting the artbook.
@Kinoris53595
@Kinoris53595 11 ай бұрын
Congratulations Homu Labs, another great video. These types of videos are not easy to make, your effort really shows!
@narscissus7779
@narscissus7779 11 ай бұрын
@25:07 That line never fails to give me a chuckle. You really sound like a responsible person there, Teri.
@LightningQueenAlpha
@LightningQueenAlpha 4 ай бұрын
An important thing to note is that even though the hoyoverse games take place in one shared “universe” that does not mean accessing each game’s world is as simple as flying/teleporting there, as we have seen multiple times in Honkai each space usually takes a considerable amount of effort to reach, like how Otto specifically needed Sirin/Kiana’s void powers to get to the IMT to progress his plan for Kallen or how Kiana was unable to access the space that the Cocoon of Finality resided in even with her Void powers. It is not as simple as moving from location A to location B that is why Welt is unable to simply go back to Hi3 and why the characters from HSR have yet to find the worlds of Genshin or Honkai, hope you guys understand that now. Also nice vid homu 👍👍👍
@Indian_gae_boii
@Indian_gae_boii 11 ай бұрын
Such a well put video, you definitely deserve more subscribers! Too bad i didn't get half of it because I've never really played honkai impact and too scared to get into it because I'm already playing genshin and star rail, and I'm already putting all my attention and energy to genshin's lore, I really wish there was one big video on honkai impact lore and it's story, totally not suggesting anything
@BurghezulDjentilom
@BurghezulDjentilom 11 ай бұрын
I've been a fan of yours for a while, and I never quite recognized the accent, but that google quick search revealed it for me... salut si respect !
@HomuLabs
@HomuLabs 11 ай бұрын
Mersi! Salut si numa' bine! :D
@peterlam1911
@peterlam1911 9 ай бұрын
I am a native Chinese and would like to share some usage of the terms/words mentioned in the video. World (世界) and Universe (宇宙): First of all, these two words in Chinese share a very similar meaning, sometimes even identical, depending on the situation. 世界 (World) is combined by two characters, regarding time(世) and space(界). Similarly, for 宇宙 (Universe), the two characters are regarding space(宇) and time(宙) (yes, the order is reversed but no harm to meaning). So both of them literally mean "time and space", and extend to "everything in all time and space". In daily speaking or abstract way, the two words sometimes can be mixed. Therefore multiverse, or parallel universe (平行宇宙), in Chinese has the same meaning as "parallel world" (平行世界). So when the Chinese word "世界" appears, it cannot simply translate to "world", but need to look at the context. That's why "bubble universe(世界泡)" is not a false translation. But if these two words are used specifically, then the meaning will be determined as the same as the corresponding translation words in English. For example, one will say "Elon Musk is the richest man in the world (世界)", and "black holes are the most mysterious objects in the universe (宇宙)". Here world (世界) and universe (宇宙) are unlikely to be mixed. 星海 (sea of stars) Basically 星海(sea of stars) is not a precise word, or a term, but a romantic description of space in the eye of people on earth. So a different translation with a similar meaning is acceptable. (such as "sea of ocean") For the imaginary tree, I am not sure do I misunderstand your meaning, but to me (and the majority I think), different "leafs" exactly mean different universes (no matter in the Chinese version the characters use the word 世界or宇宙). The controversial point is whether the different "worlds" (Honkai Impact, Star Rail and Genshin) is on the same "leafs" or not. Besides that, I believe your understanding and explanation of those terms and Chinese words is almost perfect.
@neoz1493
@neoz1493 9 ай бұрын
HomuLabs' explanation makes much more sense Because that explains whatever is in hsr and in hi3...it also explains why Herta can easily send signals to the welt world...because basically they are just different planets/galaxies?Not until the universe is different
@adriantepes4355
@adriantepes4355 8 ай бұрын
The absence of any feat to prove that they're universal is in itself proving that they're indeed worlds and not universes .
@Dakito_688
@Dakito_688 2 ай бұрын
That's correct 💯
@Umbrella2906
@Umbrella2906 11 ай бұрын
This Video was exactly what i was looking for. Thank you for going through the trouble of collecting the information about the Chinese texts.
@julijanamitchell6917
@julijanamitchell6917 11 ай бұрын
Homu, this series might save me from hospitalization. Jokes aside, I feel like I’ve been going insane with my constant obsession over the honkaiverse and how the games connect while seemingly no one else is talking about all these glaring connections, especially after Star Rail’s release and _especially_ after the Salt Snow Holy City arc, and here you are with this series to finally prove (and disprove) the points floating around in my head. Thank you very much for your hard work, I can’t wait to see what you have in store for the rest of this series!!
@tamacitas
@tamacitas 11 ай бұрын
Thank you very much for this. I am developing a HSR lore masterlist document right now, and I will include this information in it.
@Goras147
@Goras147 11 ай бұрын
Thank you for this - too many people feel like what the characters say is foolproof and fully understood and far too many actually trust the EN localisation (as if Mars=Venus or Welt=Walter or Gem of Haste = Hem of Desire (happened in 25, is fixed) weren't enough, the whole universe/world thing is here too). I'm really looking forward to the rest of the series. You're really doing god's work here, I'm happy yu got the determination!
@KikuraKun
@KikuraKun 11 ай бұрын
Localizations tends to go too far from the original text itself. Like those VNs I've read where the Japanese honorifics went none, or some jokes that I don't think I'm hearing it correctly from the audio itself.
@GunNlazor
@GunNlazor 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video. It was really hard to talk about Honkai with others and running into the issue where they have completely different understanding of how its world works
@suelyi8755
@suelyi8755 10 ай бұрын
woah I can smell lots of work! thank you homu this video refreshed my messy mind again! also thank you for your efforts I also trying to learn all the story about "hoyoverse" so I know it's really hard again thanks for your efforts my friend!
@disco_eve917
@disco_eve917 11 ай бұрын
OH MY GOD. BUBBLE UNIVERSE IS SUPPOSED TO BE BUBBLE WORLD??? I STARTED SCREAMING AFTER YOU TELLING US THIS HOLY SHIT I SHIULD’VE USED MY CHINESE BRAIN MORE AAAAAAA THAT MAKES SO MUCH MORE SENSE. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS VIDEO AND I CANNOT WAIT FOR THE REST OF THIS SERIES!!! I love hoyo’s games a lot but my god, with English as my 1st language and Chinese as a lousy 3rd, I’m so so confused by how their cosmology works and this series and this whole channel is truly SUCH A BLESSING and I LOVE IT!!! Thank you SO MUCH for your content!!!
@GlythicMirror
@GlythicMirror 11 ай бұрын
Thank you homu labs! Also thanks hoyostans for there help too you are both fantastic sources of lore and information and detail Thanks homu labs for a fantastic explaintion on the specific translations plus the universe world issue and more plus adding Reasons plus stateing what you mean and how you mean it i love your videos for that and more I got to learn plenty new things thanks to this video which also means alot And yes i love the different perspectives the characters give and narrator gives cause as a player or one who loves lore i am plus the characters doing the best they can to theorise and learn the lore i love the mystery behind it plus the layers and potential layers added on truly feels like a great journey Looking forward to the rest of the series!
@TheNamelessKaslana
@TheNamelessKaslana 11 ай бұрын
Great work as usual 👏
@joprimus
@joprimus 11 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot for this!!!! It was so helpful!
@jamesjarrett5499
@jamesjarrett5499 10 ай бұрын
When I first came across this confusing information in hsr or hi3, I assumed it was a translation error and operated under the contextual meaning of the word(s), and it was clear to me what was meant. It was extremely confusing to read/hear the first time in English, but I managed to get to the same point in understanding it as you are presenting here. Thank you for the work, and I really hope they work on some of the biggest glaring errors in the English localization. Maybe one day they will discover context can tell them which word is appropriate 😂
@pistonfry
@pistonfry 11 ай бұрын
Damn, this changes everything about yhe understanding of Honkai Journey. For a long time I thought IMG Tree is a multiverse and Welt is going to another universe not just Worlds/Planets. But then what was Otto doing to IMG Tree? He's supposed to make more timelines where Kallen lives right? If so making new worlds are not enough cause it's not really a new time line is it?
@HomuLabs
@HomuLabs 11 ай бұрын
The simplest explanation about Otto and is plan is that Otto manipulated the "branches" of the Imaginary Tree that contained Earth to split at the exact moment Kallen was supposed to die and create a new timeline where she lived instead. Keep in mind that the usage of the words "branches" and "leaves" can be interchanged depending on who is talking. Otto mostly used branches in the Kolosten Arc so I mimicked his analogy. Other characters may use different terms to refer to the same term.
@thefurylacolereinfini8809
@thefurylacolereinfini8809 11 ай бұрын
waouh just amazing, very thank you Homu-sensei.
@JavenJC69
@JavenJC69 11 ай бұрын
HI3 is a emotional damage while GGZ is a mental breakdown
@guardian4626
@guardian4626 10 ай бұрын
Thank you guy! I known it already, but you tell this thing, firstly, by simple language, secondly, for a lot of people. It's cool, because by this video some hoyofans don't need now to go through Honkai impact 3 times, clear every quest in Genshin and read every book in Star rail. Thanks again!
@topthch
@topthch 11 ай бұрын
Im so happy when you do something like this Homu Lab, it's help us a lot, keep going and I'll wait for the next one. Oh yeah i want to tell you this for a long time, about subtitles, can you fix it? Because it difficult to follow, you know what I mean, right? If you can, that's help a lot for those who don't good in English, like me. If you can't, well, never mind. 😅
@ArianeBlond
@ArianeBlond 10 ай бұрын
Yet again an absolutely fantastic overview 😊 I’m very happy for your work and helping us global players better understand 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰
@ITAndroMedian
@ITAndroMedian 11 ай бұрын
I'm not confused. I'm frustrated and demoralized. You play the game (especially for me with 6+ years in), you get invested into the game, you eant to know and understand more about it, you get shafted by almost no fault of anybody, because your understanding of things is built on the proverbial equivalent of Chinese "tofu structures". It's like a black pill: give up trying to figure things out, beause the truth is not written in language you happen to understand. Tbf, I've always kinda glossed past the more to-the-reality terms and tried to understand them contextually. Not "What is it called?", but "What it does?". The things I'd consider terms are more like "Imaginary Tree", "Sea of Quanta", or "Cocoon of Finality", which haven't been mistranslated as far as I can observe from this video. I want to believe HoYo is aware of this. The latest Honkai chapter has a cute nod to it: People Vita was with referred to Honkai as "the Abyss", and had vastly different names to different classes of Honkai (Abyssal) beasts, so for them to try and communicate with Earth would be challenging.
@Brightu
@Brightu 11 ай бұрын
This is simply the best video ever to learn about honkai
@Jikunj
@Jikunj 11 ай бұрын
So that means there could be sometime a Cross-Over between Star Rail and any other Hoyoverse games where the Astral Express visits HI3rd-Earth, GGZ-Earth or Teyvat.
@HomuLabs
@HomuLabs 11 ай бұрын
Yeah. We had Asuka in HI3 though the Sea of Quanta. Anything in possible.
@Jikunj
@Jikunj 11 ай бұрын
@@HomuLabs according to leaks mei and sakura should also get playable in star rail. Would be cool if they offically connect the storiea than. (Besides Welt and VA)
@daten9075
@daten9075 11 ай бұрын
@@Jikunj They are most likely going to be Mei and Yae variants like Raiden Shogun and Yae Miko instead of the actual Mei and Yae Sakura from HI3
@infinitezion2029
@infinitezion2029 11 ай бұрын
​@@JikunjI doubt many characters are actually gonna reappear as themselves and not varients of the og since the actual returning characters have very specific circumstances. Though we do know Kiana is MIA in the apho timeline which is slowly becoming the present timeline, so as of the info we have now she actually has a solid chance of appearing as Finality. Would be broken as shit as a unit but very interesting to think about an older Kiana debuting in StarRail before Impact 3rd.
@haeldral3405
@haeldral3405 11 ай бұрын
GGZ has an anual collab with Honkai Impact. It's only one way though...
@toolboxhandle
@toolboxhandle 11 ай бұрын
I love how Genshin players will never accept they are part of the Honkai-verse.
@bisayafascist5725
@bisayafascist5725 11 ай бұрын
Tbh it is part of Hoyoverse but the main issue that many Genshin fans has is that they don't want the influence of Honkai series to be put in Genshin (like Honkai, Quanta, Imaginary, Herchers, and Aeons) basically we want Genshin to be able to stand on its own without the need to rely on an existing franchise apart from expys.
@Captainicicles77
@Captainicicles77 11 ай бұрын
Genshin player I love it and I’ve always held true to the idea but when you bring it up the hate you get is insane and the amount of copuim people in the genshin community use to say no it’s not connected is so stupid!
@bisayafascist5725
@bisayafascist5725 11 ай бұрын
@@Captainicicles77 the hate happens when a Honkai fan says that Abyss=Quanta and Omni=Imaginary when it's completely different things apart from that the majority accepted the shared universe.
@-amel-9896
@-amel-9896 10 ай бұрын
It's because the connexions is less in the lore of the game itself but on the existence of the universe. Other than than that, genshin stands on its own compared to other hoyoverse games. The main lore of genshin (Abyss, khaneria, Celestia) is its own thing, they don't talk about aeons, honkais, imaginarys...etc
@Dakito_688
@Dakito_688 2 ай бұрын
Finally someone covered this...... thank you so much man.... you're awesome ❤
@Xelluse
@Xelluse 11 ай бұрын
I really like when story and lore is told from perspectives, cos gaining information is more realistic that way. What Morax said is that there was no "So much ostentatious shapeshifting", that means, that there was not much, but modest shapeshifting, he did not deny shapeshifting, vice versa, he confirmed it, but he said that it was not as common and as ostentatious shapeshifting as it is described in the book, so it was not all a lie, but some events, that were exaggerated and added to the real ones. Also thank you for your video, understanding of terminology is very important to make sure that everyone speaks the same language.
@revelinknation
@revelinknation 11 ай бұрын
As someone who's new to the honkai concepts this channel has helped me a ton
@famimame
@famimame 11 ай бұрын
Wait so they're all in the same universe?? wow. like and subscribed.
@RenshoYT
@RenshoYT 9 ай бұрын
It would help a lot if Hoyo had someone who fills a similar role to what Koji Fox does for the FFXIV team. A localization lead who is directly embedded with the main writing team. Having someone lead the localization of hoyo games who is directly involved with the original chinese writing team would give them exact context to what is trying to be conveyed and could clear a lot of these issues up. I think the hoyo localization team(s) do the best they can with what they are given, but there is only so much you can do when you are dealing with a story that is as esoteric as Hoyo stories sometimes are, and with languages that are probably more difficult to translate to and from one another than the average.
@Toader_0
@Toader_0 11 ай бұрын
i totally agree with the translation issue in french we get some 4th wall breaks like one of flammechaser mentioning a well-known chef in france, and also sometimes a big spelling mistakes, and i see in other language too (vita saying mars instead of venus, wich is correctly translated in french version)
@axlessr55
@axlessr55 11 ай бұрын
Can't wait to share with my friends. Also I see what you did at 27:00
@SirFalker
@SirFalker 11 ай бұрын
Seriously, every time you post a video the lore of these games becomes less inscrutable. Looking forward to the next parts of this series!
@SzalonyHollow
@SzalonyHollow 11 ай бұрын
it would be funny if they used multiple types of multiverses ( f.e 1st and 3rd from tegmark classification (vast universe and Everett quantum collaps interpetation))
@kuroh0241
@kuroh0241 11 ай бұрын
I know spoilers are very normalized in the Hoyo community, but i still think that your explanations are 100% complete without spoiling stuff like the Otto arc ending. You can put a disclaimer, but people will watch it anyway because they are not sure yet if they are interested in the other games. Anyways, thank you for this series. Seems like it's aimed at more dedicated fans than casuals. I hope the clarifications will trickle down to casuals slowly. I'm looking forward to future videos.
@unknown_unfound
@unknown_unfound 11 ай бұрын
Damn finally somebody could be bothered to do this, absolutely amazing it must have been hard but this was a massive missing thing in the hoyo community, much respect bro
@RaykinaBreaker
@RaykinaBreaker 11 ай бұрын
At last someone explain to me why in Project Stigma arc the english localization use the word "Bubble World" instead of usual Bubble universe. (at first I thought it was a mistranslation) Homulab even explain the missunderstand of fan that believe Welt travel to different universe while the truth it was just a different world on the same universe. Homulab explanation also making it easier for us to understand that one of many world in Sea of Quanta is actually a parallel world that also experience their own Honkai disaster. Inconclusion, there was never a Multiverse event ever happen in any HoYoverse game. Even the highest Imaginary entity itself is just a giant grow up tree that created many Leaf (World). PS: This also making Captain Bizarre Adventure much more relateable now. Every parallel world he visit is also experiencing their own type of Honkai disaster. It's just they use a different terminology toward Honkai like example "The Dark Lord".
@tigerthebest96
@tigerthebest96 11 ай бұрын
Ok but how do Aeons work then? I'm assuming it will be explaneid further down the line but if it is a single universe with multiple worlds, then does that mean that theoretically the Aeons are also present in Genshin and in HI3? Because if all the HSR worlds were in a single leaf and thus in their own universe, then it would mean that the Aeons are influencing only those worlds and that universe. But since it isn't the case, and every leaf is a world, that means that Aeons could have authority or could exist even in HI3 earth, Teyvat and GGZ earth. Or maybe I misunderstood some parts of the video and I am spouting nonsense xD
@HomuLabs
@HomuLabs 11 ай бұрын
Technically yes, but keep in mind that Aeons are not the only forces of that scale in the Universe. This is something that I will address in the following parts. There are also beings like the Cocoon of Finality from HI3 and the Commander of Will from GGZ that are different from Aeons but have similar "powers"/ are similar in scale. Maybe Aeons intentionally avoid worlds that have Honkai in it because they don't want to deal with it. Also, the recent HI3 chapters showed that even the Sea of Quanta can have similar beings. Aeons seem to be only a part of the Universe, part of which HSR chooses to focus on. It's the same reason why we don't really see Honkai there, because that's the focus in HI3/GGZ and the dev probably don't want to mxi them and confused the playerbase.
@tigerthebest96
@tigerthebest96 11 ай бұрын
@@HomuLabs I also watched the video in wich you explain what Finality is and that gave me a little bit more context since you mentioned Terminus. Anyway thx for the clarification!
@andro5t
@andro5t 11 ай бұрын
​@@HomuLabsso is it possible that the primordial one in genshin is an aeon that will be an interesting thing to think about
@bisayafascist5725
@bisayafascist5725 11 ай бұрын
​@@andro5tngl the Primordial One feels more like a being from an advanced civilization that just went and terraformed the home world of Vishaps.
@Xelluse
@Xelluse 11 ай бұрын
@@andro5t Maybe Yaoshi... 🤔
@guyschill2059
@guyschill2059 11 ай бұрын
Wait this video is actually insanely good lol I considered myself pretty well versed with honkai lore but I never knew about this at all
@akimakang
@akimakang 11 ай бұрын
Good video :) Keep up the hard work! But just to be curious: apart from Mihoyo games, do you hope to cover the lore of other gacha games, or other genres ? If you ever feel to have the time or effort to do so of course. No need to rush.
@HomuLabs
@HomuLabs 11 ай бұрын
As of now I don't have any plans. But who knows... maybe in the future if I feel like I want to cover something else.
@sir_squeeb
@sir_squeeb 11 ай бұрын
So all along in HI3, every mention of "bubble universe" was supposed to be "bubble world"?
@HomuLabs
@HomuLabs 11 ай бұрын
Yeah.
@danishsyed1068
@danishsyed1068 11 ай бұрын
Honestly good video man also if I have to say one thing Mihoyo/Hoyoverse needs to cut down on the purple pros and get a more unified translation team for all their games mainly it seems that half the problems is that the right hand and is not talking to left hand and combining that with the overuse of the unreliable narrator and flowery text when comes to plot aka overally complicated explanations things got confusing for a reason.
@shooshiwhooshi8736
@shooshiwhooshi8736 11 ай бұрын
OOOH!! I thought Welt was from a parallel universe (like a different tree) but he's actually in the same tree just moving in it. So hypothetically, would it be possible for the Star Rail (train) to travel to the Genshin Impact world? Also, does this mean worlds like Jarillo-VI, the Xianxou, and Teyvat are like connected in a way? If they are, can a stelleron invade Teyvat and cause mayhem like it did in Jarilo?
@bluespeed5366
@bluespeed5366 11 ай бұрын
Yes, in Honkai Impact, Otto already saw Teyvat, so that means it's possible. The problem would be that if the entity controlling things from above Teyvat is willing to accept more descendants
@Sanko368
@Sanko368 11 ай бұрын
Congratulations Homu Labs ! This video is a masterpiece ! It explains in a very comprehensive way a lot of details about this cosmology which is so vast, as well as issues that leads to common misinterpretations of the lore. This is a perfect way to set things at good basics for the following parts and the best video I've seen so far for any Captain that wants to start knowing more about the rich Honkai Universe and also people who already know informations about it ! I truly admire the effort put in this video, based informations about GGZ are almost non-existent nowadays, so the only way to study the Honkai Universe through it is by a lot of interpretations, and requires so much effort ! And the translation errors research is a real pain, especially since the original version is in Chinese and that expressions are very flexible. You can be proud of you for this amazing video, and I already know that the other parts will also be difficult to make, but I'm sure you'll be able to get through it and give us an incredible series of lore explanation like you did until now !
@arenamiraggio
@arenamiraggio 11 ай бұрын
And that's why I use the Japanese terminology... Not CN because I just know basic terms in chinese. Using the JP one is still more reliable then the english one, since the terms are actually closer to the CN version because of sinograms and Kanji. Nice video! Well done first part!
@kamitonlatsery7847
@kamitonlatsery7847 11 ай бұрын
based video really amazing also what I hate about the honkai community is they keep yapping about retcon when the characters are just saying its a theory and a different perspective OR they can't understand when characters are joking and taking them at face value the post on twitter and spread misinformation for clout
@shanedoesyoutube8001
@shanedoesyoutube8001 11 ай бұрын
That second part I can guest Kafka's story quest is the latest of potential false information If it weren't for hoyotubers pointing shet out
@reevvie2608
@reevvie2608 11 ай бұрын
Another legendary video from the madman himself
@Violet70725
@Violet70725 11 ай бұрын
Honkai star rail is canon for APHO which is also canon for honkai impact 3. Genshin name has impact just like honkai. But they say differently. Genshin developer is not that generous.
@mileniumshadowvn6652
@mileniumshadowvn6652 11 ай бұрын
When I was playing the latest chapter of Honkai and Vita said they where from the second planet od the solar sistem bur refered as Mars I was wtf?! I think they confused the word mars with martians and ended using mars to refer the planet while it should be Venus, but yeah this has happened many times, and thanks that I undestand allmost all the japanese they use I can follow the story even if I dont read it but the text helps to undestad it and this cuases a lot of confusion
@nitromiyazaki
@nitromiyazaki 11 ай бұрын
Fun fact, apparently Herta has curios that originate from Tears of Themis. I know this because another vtuber I watch has played that game and realized some of those objects (such as the stack of cards curio) are from the game. At least, this is what they noticed, so whether that’s true or not, idk. I never played Tears of Themis.
@dragon984598
@dragon984598 11 ай бұрын
I'm a bit confused on the Universe chart shown at 22:37. I understand the idea being proposed, but I was under the impression that the worlds travelled by the Express, currently, all take place in the same world. Mainly because from what we've seen, the HSR world is a vast and interconnected galaxy with intergalactic trade and travel. We can even text people from Belobog on the Xianzhou ship. Or can this intergalactic society actually traverse imaginary energy?
@bluespeed5366
@bluespeed5366 11 ай бұрын
Imaginary Tree = Universe The Astral Express travels through the Universe, which means that the Astral Express travels through the Astral Express. That's why we have 2 versions of Bronya that are just from different planets. It's not like in real life. In the Honkaiverse each galaxy is covered by barriers of Imaginary energy; passing through those barriers means "Travelling through the Imaginary Tree". It's not easy to do because you would need strong spaceships. That's why trailblazers use the Astral Express to do it faster. If you wonder why we can text through the universe, it's because of Herta's technology. That woman is a genius among geniuses, and people should be more aware of her.
@Marbeary
@Marbeary 11 ай бұрын
Thank you I speedrun the story skip and auto dialogue in HI3 to just get the artbook . I was so confuse but I got the volume 2 book so it was worth the confusing.
@shuvi1565
@shuvi1565 11 ай бұрын
If all of this is correct this is a very very important vid for all communities. THANK YOU
@callmeandoru2627
@callmeandoru2627 11 ай бұрын
So it means that there's a possibility the traveler in Genshin has visited Belobog some points before the story even begins.
@HomuLabs
@HomuLabs 11 ай бұрын
I stopped believing that something is impossible when they canonically made Asuka from EVA part of the Captainverse. They can use their cosmology to do whatever they want at this point.
@raidenei2381
@raidenei2381 7 ай бұрын
As a astronomy and cosmology student I needed this video to clear my misconceptions about hoyoverse. I can understand why these mistakes happened because for ancient chinese people (people who basically made the language) were not sure about the structure of the universe so the galaxy was their 'universe' and our solar system was their 'world'. Now Modern science and English has these new words and the traditional Chinese had to adpat to these changes so thats where confusion happened.
@rcurugan
@rcurugan 11 ай бұрын
Thank you got this video!
@VanillaSnowGolem
@VanillaSnowGolem 11 ай бұрын
It's interesting to me that some people get confused with the whole thing about the worlds in the imaginary tree and how they work almost like universes even though it isn't a multiverse. Because I believe there's a certain other game series that if you draw parallels to it can make that part of the cosmology clear, and that is Kingdom Hearts. That series also has multiple worlds yet they don't feel like planets and more like different universe especially since most of them are worlds from Disney media but all of them ultimately take place in the same universe. And in some way each world is separated in between by what looks like the equivalent to outer space.
@uchophamxuan6515
@uchophamxuan6515 10 ай бұрын
Now we need a full detail video about Kancho, Ferry Man and the outer gods
@communitygamer117
@communitygamer117 11 ай бұрын
As someone who reads at lot of LNs and manga, and scales (analyzing characters and cosmology from an mathematical, scientific, philosophical, and power scaling perspective) different series as a hobbie. This issue of translation are nothing new for me. Unfortunately some series are less lucky than others. Don't even get me started on JRPGs like Persona. But great work nonetheless. I am more concerned about the narrative and contextual implications of relatively normal beings able to traverse the Imaginary Tree.
@riderkwok
@riderkwok 5 ай бұрын
I know this is 6 months late, but i just wanna let you know you just got a subscriber just because of that "dingyue" Love your humour man, hope to see more contents from you
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