Nope AWD not needed in the type R, no AWD will not make it better. Honda has honed and perfected FWD performance for decades and it smashes the AWD competition. AWD would just make it heavier and more complex

Why do people expect the Corolla to be a drift car 😐

The GR is definitely meant to be a rally car for the street

Default split is 60/40 on the GRC, not 50/50

Full Throttle track timed both cars, the Type R is a faster car around their course. On tracks that are purely twisty cones the GR is quicker because the AWD can pull it out of slow tight corners.

Great work guys

The paint job is very nice. Exhaust note was perfect for the car.

Toyota GR is an evolution 💫

GR for me. I’ve got a GR Yaris and for the UK and our weather it’s perfect. It’s such a fun raw drivers car and it’s not £47k like the CTR is here.

The GRC and GRY awd systems logic isnt tuned to get it to slide. It is possible to do that with an after market awd controller.

I have both, 4:20 I wouldn’t say the type R feel heavier but the type r does feel “more stable” probably cos the GR is AWD and you can actual feel all four wheels turn.

TOO funny - On my 993 I installed cheap All Season tires (as you pointed out) so it would be a bit more playful on the street & since I toured a bunch with it in the mountains - I encounter snow once and a while & the A/S helped a bit. Coming from a '14 Fiesta ST (Bought new - great fun) I'm on the list for a GR C (Circuit - hopefully) I am done with FWD vehicles so I never did consider the R & I like the look of the GR way better. THX for the comparison.

Both guys said they'd choose the GR over the Type R for track use. Wow. Also, they wish the Type R had AWD. Clearly, these are not the people to review such cars.

You get the tail out on the GR with the handbreak! RALLY STYLE

People that aren’t breaking the rear end loose under power don’t have enough time behind the wheel. I’ve had mine for roughly 1000 miles, and it will absolutely sling the back end out under power in 30:70 in the right circumstances. Very fun, but the car claws its way back to forward push even after a particularly abrupt power slide.

I may be wrong but the GRC is a FWD biased car and only sends power back to rear axle on demand - up to a maximum of 70% in 30/70 mode - it's not as if it's getting a continuous 30/70 torque distribution.

Comes only in 6 manual transmission. “Any complain will be throw to the garbage” epic 😅

Let’s not talk prices. Most dealers all over the US have ruined MSRP with ADM.

Dude, its a FWD based AWD system and the car still has the weight distribution of a FWD car. Power can be sent UP TO 70% to the rear. That does not mean power is always 70% rear, as the 4WD controller still determines how much power is NEEDED for the rear end, and that 70% figure is the MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE torque bias. If the 4WD controller deems it necessary to send that much torque to the rear via sensors, it will do that. The idea that the GRC is some sort of drift machine is laughable, but it's Toyota's fault for marketing it that way.

Can't wait to get one of these used in 5 years lol

I think enough reviews are out to get the verdict on these two cars. For starters, neither are slow. Honda is definitely sandbagging the CTR hp numbers, and frankly, so is Toyota. I think both cars are making 10 - 15 more hp than advertised. On tracks with long straights and sweeping corners, the CTR is every bit as fast and even faster than the GR Corolla. However, on tracks with tighter turns, the GRC ears the CTR alive because it can put its power down much sooner. I think the GR Corolla looks better on the outside, but the CTR looks better on the inside. If it was my money, I’d get the GR Corolla because at the end of the day, I enjoy a more raw experience. It is this reason why I daily drive a 2001 BMW Z3 3.0i manual even though I have 2 other far newer and much more refined cars at my disposal. It is really quite a shame that dealerships are going to kill these cars. I have a 2019 AWD Mazda3 Premium that I was 100% going to trade in for the GR Corolla. But I will not be doing that if dealers continue to mark these things up $10,000 +

They already have awd that they put in crv's why not make a civic hatch type R?

Strange Honda will undoubtedly post a mega almost unbeatable track time, you really can't go wrong with either tho

FWD makes the Civic in my opinion. After spending years driving overpowered RWD cars, the Type R is a breath of fresh air. If you’re a drift king, obviously it’s not the car for you. The Civic with AWD would have more power, probably feel more turbocharged, heavier, paddles, and next thing it’s competing with an M3/M4.

did he just say, "tail happy endings?" 🤣

Loved this video. As good as the R is its no longer a hot hatch, it's sized like a few generation old Accord. Still light though and legendary, but I want something tight and tossable, but not a 2 seater so I can fit my kid in the back. 86 or Corolla would be my pick.

Type R and GR All Day. Not even close 😂😅

GR Corolla for 2 main reasons: Being awd and compact Unfortunately civic becomes more and more biger, it should be named accord type R, and fwd...

It’s strange they would both take the GRC if they were going to buy a track car, since the CTR has won every track time I’ve found online so far. Albeit only slightly. I guess they’re just saying it’s more fun on the track even though it’s slower? I feel like the CTR is very much built for the track. I feel like the GRC isn’t, it’s more for fun stop light to stop light (daily driving) and for a dirt track would be WAY better. Review seems strange to me. Very different than others.

They really should of just made the GR Corolla a FWD hatch with either the Lexus 2.0T or the 1.6T and marketed it as a 24-28k car. Would sell like crazy and people that Will buy, take the GTI/ SI market

GR for me. I just drove a core edition, wow what fun for $38k. Type R around me are at least $45k.

Will probably keep Type R in garage for weekend and daily GR lol

For me, it was a matter of what I could actually buy for MSRP. In the end, that meant that I got a GR Corolla. That's a win... but so would have been a Civic Type R.

Both awesome cars not sure the hate on the Corolla interior I find it nice and the seats are some of the best

GR is Superior because it is AWD and actually a Hatchback.

Engineers: we must do everything we can to add mechanical downforce and grip so it handles like it’s on rails. Reviewers: it’s too good. Need crappy tires so it can loosen up and people can crash it whenever they try to go fast. smh

I choose the GRC 😍🤤🔥🔥🔥

It's a real shame these cars are unattainable due to the low production numbers and dealer mark-ups. For all practical purposes this video could have been about a Duesenberg cause all three cars are implausible for the average person.

your video quality says 4k but it looks like it was recorded with a potato.

Both cost more than a decent 996 turbo where I live.

I’d choose the corolla before the civic

get both!!!

I just get both cars…in video 😞

I like the look and space of the type R, but that Corolla’s awd is a must have.

1:06 are you sure they are bigger they look the exact same from the FK8

Type R is faster in track tests lol. Even vs the Morizo edition. Y'all are clueless 😂

Bit contrary to what other reviewers are saying. Type r is faster in almost all the tracks tested but i guess it comes down to personal preference. And let us not forget the gr corolla goes into limp mode when pushed hard on the tracks meaning awd system shuts down and you’re stuck with type r fwd mode

I’d take the gr Corolla.

Yeah no one is getting a type r for 44 k they’re all over 50 which puts them head to head with better cars for the money

If you have any advice on how to actually buy one at MSRP HMU THnxxxx

I was at a car show and sat in a GR orolla.... it felt like a corolla... I wish I was able to drive it to get the feel of it.

Homologation special is enough for me.

"being FWD costs you 15-17% drive train loss while AWD will cost you 20%" - Lao Tzu

GRC hands down. I want the more raw, livelier experience, plus the awd traction where you can get the power down much earlier, and awd hives you more confidence when driving aggressively. Plus if you live in the north where you get lots of rain and snow the GRC is the obvious choice.

Both car will hold great value.

1450 kg Is too much for a 1.6 with 300hp.

You wont get the Type R at MSRP.

In the race i think type r will win k24 with turbo and v tec the best

11:30 disagree, 300 on the type r being FWD pulls much harder that 300 on the AWD.

The new Type r is made for old people,, that's why they call it grown 🤣. The FK8 looks better.

I'll take the Toyota folks. Cape Town South Africa

GR it's a beast

GR all day not even close.

Me taking meticulous notes like I could afford either one of these.

2 of the most boring reviewers driving 2 of the most exciting cars

Toyotas are more reliable as a brand however, I think the type r is going to be a little more reliable in the long run. Built better less mechanical components due to the GRs 4 wheel drive tech that may wear over time and the Honda is already built stronger it seems.

I want a GT-R Honyota.

Ohh. Could yall imagine if Honda decided to drop a Type-R with their "SH" AWD?!? Wait... That's where the new Integra comes in doesn't it?!? An SH-AWD "Integra Type-R" would REDEEM the Integra name!! We're waiting Honda!!!

Gr 4 m3

So those "as tested" prices, where were they tested? I am guessing Fantasy land. In the real world both of these cars are wildly overpriced for what they are, even msrp is asking a lot, paying more is just absurd. The whole point of factory hopped up econo cars is to offer affordable fun performance cars with a bit of practically. Neither of these cars are affordable so both are a failure IMO. For what they actually cost there are far better performance cars.

Frankly, the GR Corolla is more of a boy racer type of hot hatch styling,whereas the Type R looks and feels more grown up in this new iteration, and it fits the mature motor enthusiast more than anything, at least for those who have a more moderate budget. 😅✌️

the funny thing is....80% of the ppl will disagree with you on the fk8 comments.

Civic type r is far better to me

The Type R is trash in any inclement weather or on any broken pavement of any sort. I hated driving my FK8 in the winter or in the rain, even with Blizzak tires on it. No traction, wheel spin for days. Absolutely phenomenal car when it is 65 and sunny outside, though.

Good luck purchasing one of these cars without unnecessarily throwing a lot of money away.

This is hilarious. These guys are clueless. The Civic is a far more precise driving tool.

Gr corola wins a day

Cool. Now let’s start doing tests against cars that are selling for the same price, namely GT350R’s, ZL1’s, C6 Z06’s, CTS-AB’s, M3/4’s, RS3’s, etc., and see the results 👍

Who cares? Dealers will mark both up to cost as much as an M3

CTR In every category by a mile only thing Toyota has over Civic is AWD. CTR drives better better build quality looks better more space better engine. Faster and more capable car at the track. Toyota AWD better traction of the line that’s all the Toyota has over the civic. Traction alone doesn’t make a car automatically better.

Type R all day, everyday

They look crap sorry but if I was 10 I but one. Won’t sell many of them in England at all .

Lol - the R already destroyed the mrrrizo edition at the track. The R actually digs into corners due to the diff. I wonder if yall smoked something before the drive?

I want a small Corolla wagon. Or I'll continue driving my Volvo V50. These are more the size of an Accord or Camry now. So I have no interest in either of these. Give me a small Corolla hatchback or wagon with Camry hybrid or Rav 4 Prime PHEV engine.

elantra n wins again for fun factor

The fact that the Type R is bigger, lighter, has more power (less drivetrain loss), wider, and is faster around the track, kind of makes it a no brainer. It’s a more track focused car and a better daily.

The Type R looks much better. It does not have those ugly bolt in bits the Toyota has.

Buy an Si...then add power and handling changes...makes a better car than a Type R 🧐

overall type R is better, i own both cars

I’ll take the fk8….lol

I'm sorry, but the Civic would destroy the Corolla on track.

Type R all day and its not even close