Honda Engines in Airplanes! Viking Aircraft Engines

Honda Engines in Airplanes! Viking Aircraft Engines - Engine Week 2022

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ENGINE WEEK - Let's talk shop with the engine shop that makes Honda conversion engines for Aircraft applications!
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@patway4683 Жыл бұрын

I am building a Zenith 701 and was trying to decide on an engine. I have emailed Alissa a few times with questions and wanting quotes and she has responded within minutes each time! I believe they have a great product and excellent costumer service.

@crazypeoplearoundtheworld304 Жыл бұрын

You'd better take their failures seriously. They have a lot of problems. Also, might factor the people who never received the engines they paid for when Jan went bankrupt. He's stolen aero momentum concepts and taken credit for things he didn't do. His explanations for the failures of his Honda engines wouldn't be accepted by any mechanic. He always blames the pilot. Then acts like he's doing them a favor when he warrants the failure. People who know him believe he's a lowlife crook.

@crazypeoplearoundtheworld304 Жыл бұрын

They really pump themselves, but if you dig a bit deeper into Jan's business practices, you'll see a trail of unpaid debt, stolen ideas, and cover-up for engine failures. I'd never trust my life to the character of Jan.

@Colin_Holloway Жыл бұрын

Listening to Jan talk so passionately about the engines and parts is enough for me to consider this engine in my next build!

@rob379lqz Жыл бұрын

Perfect!😂

@tyronealfonso Жыл бұрын

I would never consider ant product from him after hearing how he ripped off people in his prior ventures. Viking is built on stolen dreams.

@BartHull 2 ай бұрын

Look up Eggenfellner aircraft engines. He built Subaru aircraft engines before these Honda's.

@TwinStarGenny 10 ай бұрын

Thanks for having & posting these conversations

@porschetech72901 Жыл бұрын

the amount of data and info this pretty lady just rattled off top of her head when asked a question was amazing and impressive ..... i guarantee you i woulda hadda been reading from a prompter or something .... great job maam hats off impressed here

@jolujo5842 Жыл бұрын

Love your video. I have aerospace sattelite AIT (assembly/integration/transportation) experience. And you're shop and attention to detail for flight quality products is very impressive 👍

@milesbrown8016 Жыл бұрын

That is an awesome set up. Well done and good luck ahead. 🛫

@bradleydavies3225 Жыл бұрын

A really useful addition to engine week, would be the MWFly engine out of Italy. A blank sheet engine with highly competitive power output, weight, and fuel consumption numbers.

@matthewstorm5188 5 ай бұрын

How about the J-series V6? They make good power. They’re compact for the displacement. And they’re probably some of the most reliable Honda engines.

@vindoll6237 Жыл бұрын

Brian nice job asking questions and putting together the video. Yan and Alyssa thanks for all the information! 👍

@Raypatrick66 Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@ExperimentalAircraftChannel Жыл бұрын

Thank You for your support Ray! Much appreciated! :-)

@davidwhite2011 Жыл бұрын

Happy new year; would love for you to do an episode on connectors, the tools, and how to with a FAQ. Sounds like maybe that is close?

@eggenfellner Жыл бұрын

Hi David, we actually have a video in regard to wiring and tools etc., might offer some of what you are searching for or at least a start!

@AeroworksProductions Жыл бұрын

Nice video Byran and great to see Viking always staying ahead of the pack with constant improvements and available upgrades.

@doernmacdonald7444 Жыл бұрын

What about something like a HONDA GL11OO Inline 4cyl in an aircraft. smooth and reliable I have one then running for over 40yrs without any work done to it

@SpecialEDy 3 ай бұрын

Air cooled boxer 4. Wouldn't a GL1500 or GL1800 be better with the extra 2 cylinders though? You'd need to replace the timing belts with a gear drive though, it seems like all of the aviation engines use timing gears exclusively.

@medajim9092 Жыл бұрын

With the 1.5 turbo are you using factory rods? i heard the civic Si rods are harder than the rest but some of the models are pretty soft.

@Agislife1960 Жыл бұрын

Just curious, could you install a fully feathering propeller on a Viking engine as in a multiengine type configuration

@tinolino58 Жыл бұрын

Very very impressing !

@WoutervanTiel Жыл бұрын

What is the lightest Honda engine we could get?

@lcprivatepilot1969 Жыл бұрын

I’d definitely consider a Viking 195-power plant for an RV-15 … if we do not go with a hybrid power plant of our own design.

@TimberTramp Жыл бұрын

Turbo 90 would be slick!

@dirtcop11 Жыл бұрын

Loved this video. Lots of flexibility for a custom build. I am wondering if you will be doing a radial engine in this sequence.

@quintinmendez2593 Жыл бұрын

Can one of these engines use on a Rutan long ez aircraft

@joelaughlin2815 Жыл бұрын

Anything for my Cessna 150.?

@jolujo5842 Жыл бұрын

Dry sump options ???

@vitordelima Жыл бұрын

There was a group dedicated to converting the Mazda 13B rotary engine for aviation use and certify it, it has an absurd power to weight ratio and great reliability within its TBO (and terrible "outside" of it, which was a typical complaint of its users). Some successful conversions were done but overall it doesn't seem to have progressed any further. Also many of those low weight engine components could be made of composites (plastic, metal and ceramics either layered or forming matrix composites) but this isn't a widely available and mature technology (CompEx by TU Delft was a research project about how to build exhausts and there are whole engines made of composites).

@raviarjuna9839 Жыл бұрын

Do you have link to that video?

@vitordelima Жыл бұрын

@@raviarjuna9839 Which video?

@brianb-p6586 Жыл бұрын

There's nothing special about the power-to-weight ratio of a Mazda rotary. the engine is compact, and light for the displacement, but not light for the power output.

@vitordelima Жыл бұрын

@@brianb-p6586 Any quick search can prove that you are lying, so...

@brianb-p6586 Жыл бұрын

@@vitordelima a Mazda 13B rotary is mostly cast iron. It displaces 3.9 litres, but is horribly low-powered for its displacement, so the resulting power is not impressive for the weight. Compare it to any modern car engine (such as the Honda units used by Viking), and the inferiority is clear. Any modern engine over 3 litres produces more power than even the most advanced non-turbo 13B, which was found in the RX-8. Again, it is compact for the displacement.

@markthibault8579 Жыл бұрын

How many people work at Viking?

@aarondelafuente8507 Жыл бұрын

I see you build from four cylinder Honda engines but my question is whether you've (or will) consider the Honda V6 engines?

@Cowboy.underwater 10 ай бұрын

A 350hp j35 turbo would be amazing.

@chippyjohn1 Жыл бұрын

What's the power difference between the intake manifolds when tested? Do they test flow distribution and individual lambda readings? One video he says single cam is not the way, which I agree with, but here he has the 1.8 litre engine. Not trying to be a troll, but I have noticed a lot of inconsistency with Viking and what he says.

@chippyjohn1 Жыл бұрын

I do enjoy this channel. The engineer in me is very critical. It's not how good something looks, it's how it can fail and be better.

@anilg1972 4 ай бұрын

are these engines brand new or used overhauled

@Anonymous99997 Жыл бұрын

I confess to be very ignorant here, but do they modify these engines to have redundant systems like dual ignitions and plugs? Or is that even necessary on non certified planes?

@chippyjohn1 9 ай бұрын

Not necessary on small displacement, non leaded petrol, coil over plug engines. Multi ignition was for engines that had very large cylinders, poor fueling and ignition timing, leaded petrol and unreliable magnetos. All of those issues have been removed in modern engines.

@chrislovett6120 Жыл бұрын

Love Viking products. FYI Nippon Denso is a Toyota company.

@patrickk1966 Жыл бұрын

Love Viking for always trying to open and push the envelope and make our life in flying better on bush planes etc!!!!

@chippyjohn1 Жыл бұрын

Also pointing out, the torque figures for the 150 stated on the website are inaccurate for the rpm. Also the dyno graph for it does not make sense, just looks drawn rather than a reading. If torque starts to drop off, so would power, and it is so smooth. Maybe it is just a guesstimate. Their other engine graphs look accurate.

@brianb-p6586 Жыл бұрын

Power is the product of torque and speed. As speed increases, if the torque drops but by less than the speed rises, power still rises.

@chippyjohn1 Жыл бұрын

@@brianb-p6586 I know what power is. The dyno graph shows torque drop off and the power rising at the same rate. If the torque drops off, the power would climb at a lower tangent. The power curve will follow the torque curve, but in this case it does its own thing. Doesn't make sense. Have a look at it.

@brianb-p6586 Жыл бұрын

@@chippyjohn1 I agree that the slope of the power curve must change with torque... but that's not what you initially said, and not what I was responding to. You said "If torque starts to drop off, so would power"; that is not true and apparently not what you intended to say.

@patm95 Жыл бұрын

I bet the Honda powered ones are way more reliable too than these typical aircraft engines.

@raydreamer7566 Жыл бұрын

What a great update on Viking Aircraft motors including new high quality optional light weight engine parts to lighten the total weight of an installation if necessary or desired for personal performance ..... Wide verity of motor options in different Horse power ranges and now with lighter motor component options... I am always following this company and there developments. .. Keep up the good work...

@doncatch1 Жыл бұрын

Good news.

@Ichibuns 8 ай бұрын

I wouldn't mind if Honda and Toyota started manufacturing actual aircraft engines. Plenty of market to make it justifiable. They definitely have the cash to do it without putting a dent in their wallets.

@yurimig253 Жыл бұрын

How about engine management is it compatible with Garmin? I would imagine yes?

@eggenfellner Жыл бұрын

Yes sir, all work with our engines. It is just basic sensors that get plugged into the engine. It can be Garmin, Dynon, MGL, Grand Rapids etc

@Optimus-Prime-Rib Жыл бұрын

Why wont the FAA allow these into certified birds via an STC…? Cleaner fuel etc

@maryhines322 Жыл бұрын

What is the tbo on these engines?

@eggenfellner Жыл бұрын

2000 hours, and an overhaul just consists of a new block, costing $2-$3k depending on engine

@glennr9913 Жыл бұрын

@@eggenfellner "Just a new block"? I'd have thought you'd say just rings. If it requires a new block, it surely requires a lot of other parts, no?

@deborahchesser7375 Жыл бұрын

I heard the eco-boost is a much better aircraft engine

@Mike-hr6jz 5 ай бұрын

You can build a Honda four-cylinder engine up to 1000 hp you don’t need 1000 hp but if you build it to 400 he will give you anything and everything you need it to do.

@mgmrateconfirmation8404 Жыл бұрын

SEEMS TO ME THAT THOSE MOTORS DO AS GOOD AS ROTAX 912. SO WHAT'S THE POINT OF BUYING THE 912 ?

@eggenfellner Жыл бұрын

or better and more HP and less cost, but the Rotax has its place as well. It is certified so can be used in certain aircraft as well as it being lighter, granted with less HP. The great thing is there are options that are proven that work well, making sure not to have a monopoly of the market.

@mgmrateconfirmation8404 Жыл бұрын

@@eggenfellner Re monopoly: Considering that very few people own airplanes (in a country of 380 million) it doesn't matter. Everything else in ONE BIG Monopoly. But, thnx for responding. 👍😀 I am thinking about Viking now.

@kazansky22 Жыл бұрын

Are you guys going to be visiting aeromomentum as well?

@artemshulga4641 Жыл бұрын

Good job,good Chanel, all the good in New 2023:-)hi from Russian:)

@PILOTKRIS777 3 ай бұрын

K20 turbo plane lol 😂

@514aam Жыл бұрын

Honda makes great engines! Toyota makes More reliable cars (transmission, suspension). You can race a honda engine for 500+ track days and the thing will not blow up. You can get 100 or so from a Toyota engine. Honda engines are More reliable when pushed, but Toyota engines are as reliable in daily use.

@NT4XT 10 ай бұрын

Direct Injection like it's an advantage, sure sounds good. But I have a car, and I think, direct inj without some way to deal with carbon on the valves, is one of the dumbest implementations ever, in the automotive industry. An engine is an engine, so what about having to tear down your honda motors for walnut shell blasting to remove carbon from the valves?

@Curious_Skeptic Жыл бұрын

Omg, honda engines in airplanes? No more engine outs ever!!!

@porschetech72901 Жыл бұрын

i could see the valkyre bike motor making a great aircraft engine

@shmio Жыл бұрын

Ask him about his trip to Alaska in the turbo Honda and why they don't market that engine anymore?!?!? risky business.

@eggenfellner Жыл бұрын

We sell and fly and market that engine with now over 950 hours. Not sure where you got that information? It’s one of our most well known engines and we fly it frequently. Our trip to Alaska was testing of our gearbox from our 130 model on a much higher HP, we have talked about this many times. Between that and not really having the time in the aircraft we would like (it was built in 90 days) it was leaking in areas and the weather depleted. We wanted to modify our design, the aircraft as well and flew as far as Glendive Montana from Florida and back home. This is many years ago now though....I think 5 and have a lot more going on :)

@thebentley71 3 ай бұрын

Just put a Hayabusa inline 4 motorcycle engine with a turbocharger & you have 300 h.p. & I guarantee it's half the weight of any of those engines. Plus it has a 6 speed transmission, so you can increase you speed while decreasing your rpms. Also don't believe everything they teach you Aviation Tech schools. I'm an A&P licensed mechanic.

@someguydino6770 Жыл бұрын

Please, please, please will somebody; cut out the "rocking music" and associated other "trendy faux creative production BS" and JUST SAY IT : The L-series is a compact inline-four engine created by Honda, introduced in 2001 with the Honda Fit. It has 1.2 L (1,198 cc), 1.3 L (1,318 cc) and 1.5 litres (1,497 cc) displacement variants, which utilize the names L12A, L13A and L15A. source en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_L_engine

@ludvikblondal9885 Жыл бұрын

To the point..you are 100% correct