Honda S2000 'R': AP2 Build With FK8 K20C1 Type R Power | American Tuned ft. Rob Dahm

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Honda never gave enthusiasts the 'R' version of the S2000 roadster they'd always wanted, so Evasive Motorsports imagined and built an S2000 R of their own. It’s a little bit more than just a fettled S2000 too, because under the bonnet is a 302bhp version of the FK8 Civic Type R’s 2.0-litre turbo four-pot. Considering the original S2000 made do with 237bhp, that’s quite the increase.
There’s also a carbon fibre Mugen air intake, Evasive’s own intake manifold and a titanium exhaust system from Origin Fab. A MoTeC ECU brings everything together and you get a limited slip diff and Koyo Racing radiator.
Is this the car Honda should have built?
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00:00 Intro
00:41 Evasive Motorsports
01:44 S2000 R
03:05 Drive
04:14 Why make the S2000 R?
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07:44 Pikes Peak
10:06 Conclusion
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@TopGear
@TopGear 4 ай бұрын
So, turbo power? Or should it have stayed naturally-aspirated?
@dadacosmo29
@dadacosmo29 4 ай бұрын
stay NA
@evileye17
@evileye17 4 ай бұрын
It should be turbo powered
@toastrytoaster
@toastrytoaster 4 ай бұрын
Turbo. The F20C is a racing engine for race cars on a racetrack. You have to rev the bloody thing sky high to get peak power.
@ericthestone
@ericthestone 4 ай бұрын
Stay N/A
@CrappyCar
@CrappyCar 4 ай бұрын
Make it your own, that's why we modify cars.
@janck1000
@janck1000 4 ай бұрын
I love the fact that the S2000 still looks so good and modern today.
@pudermcgavin4462
@pudermcgavin4462 4 ай бұрын
Like the fd rx7 and the supra they still hold to be modern! Japan and Germans do this so well! American cars can't even be relavent the year they are released
@wanyekest6969
@wanyekest6969 4 ай бұрын
@@pudermcgavin4462the charm about those old american muscle cars are the antiquities
@TheBb6prelude
@TheBb6prelude 4 ай бұрын
Those two cars are dated ​@@pudermcgavin4462
@mclarenf1lm374
@mclarenf1lm374 4 ай бұрын
Nah, the original one looks good but not modern. This one looks beautiful and modern.
@Gkkiux
@Gkkiux 4 ай бұрын
They shouldn't have done the catfish mouth though
@tommynobaka
@tommynobaka 4 ай бұрын
So timeless, it doesn't feel out of place now
@mclarenf1lm374
@mclarenf1lm374 4 ай бұрын
They did amazing work with the bodywork, this could EASILY be sold today.
@RobDahm
@RobDahm 4 ай бұрын
This car makes me want to make a Honda Insight R haha
@slavche
@slavche 4 ай бұрын
This was so cool, I love cars like this, kind of cheap now-adays but can be monstrous sound revving high, and great performance because of how light it is. Great video Rob love these
@addeats
@addeats 4 ай бұрын
Yessss!!! Please Rob DO make it!!! Then we all gonna have epic build series for sure....😁
@gregmaslyn
@gregmaslyn 4 ай бұрын
One of my buddies showed me his co-worker's K-swapped 1st gen insight that was getting somewhere around 75mpg if I'm not mistaken??
@isendpie
@isendpie 4 ай бұрын
Nah Dahm you have to make a Honda Type-Rotary
@truthseeker764
@truthseeker764 4 ай бұрын
My beloved 06 S2000 just passed 203k miles. I think its time I get her transformed. I absolutely love this! I had Evasive corner balance my S2 at 100k miles with new suspension. I think this time I talk to them about making this a reality for me.
@kilometeres1962
@kilometeres1962 4 ай бұрын
🔥🔥🔥
@alexelrod242
@alexelrod242 4 ай бұрын
Refresh your f series, and put a rotrex supercharger on it, its so much better of a combo than the turbo k series
@Underpantsniper
@Underpantsniper 4 ай бұрын
​@@alexelrod242agreed, it would be a lot easier and cheaper and produce similar results.
@truthseeker764
@truthseeker764 4 ай бұрын
@@alexelrod242 thanks for the suggestion, when the Kraftwerks kit was first released I was seriously considering it.
@zambiagrowl3632
@zambiagrowl3632 4 ай бұрын
@@alexelrod242id rather have a brand new motor engineered for turbo than slapping a kit on an NA and going through all the necessary custom work. Custom mounting/bracing + k20c1 will be much more reliable than the turbo kit route.
@88Frank
@88Frank 4 ай бұрын
100% Rob's having a 30 min conversation about pikes peak off camera
@claudedottin1312
@claudedottin1312 4 ай бұрын
Lol his newest video literally is talking bout it too😂
@G_Ozare
@G_Ozare 3 ай бұрын
30 minutes? More like an hour 😂
@malcolmar
@malcolmar 4 ай бұрын
I appreciate what they did with this car. That S2000 R is stunning!
@riazbacchus3962
@riazbacchus3962 4 ай бұрын
S2 WHO?
@smohan123
@smohan123 4 ай бұрын
S2000! YES! I made embarrassing sounds when I saw this tile come up in my KZfaq recommendations. This is perfection on four wheels.
@scottpolston6137
@scottpolston6137 4 ай бұрын
Agreed it certainly is
@TopGear
@TopGear 4 ай бұрын
We probably made the same noise whilst filming....
@Bones12x2
@Bones12x2 4 ай бұрын
The intro statement is 100% truth. Took me 20 years and several projects to figure that out but my buddy and I talk all the time now about how less is more in many cases with modded street cars. I think a lot of that stems from not having the money as a youngster to buy the car we really want and trying really hard to make what we can afford into something it was never meant to be.
@thefastlane1
@thefastlane1 4 ай бұрын
as a former s2000 owner, i love that this car lives on this way, even if the cost puts it out of reach for most former owners
@zeus.edwards2662
@zeus.edwards2662 4 ай бұрын
never thought i see Rob explaining honda... Interesting, i like his vibes in this
@vincediesil
@vincediesil 4 ай бұрын
You forget one of Rob's other cars is the ZE1 Insight, it was built in the same plant as the S2000 and NSX. It's all aluminum and uses the S2000 style valve train.
@Peak_Mid
@Peak_Mid 4 ай бұрын
Don’t get me wrong the new turbo k20’s are fine but the original F series with proper twin cam VTEC has so much more character which is the whole point of an S2000. Anyone who disagrees has simply never owned one. Least it isn’t EV swapped tho 👍
@DeathMetalAsian
@DeathMetalAsian 4 ай бұрын
Guys who actually drive tend to care about things like torque curve and power band too you know. I’m a B series Honda guy but there are a lottttt of advantages to that engine choice over the F for a car that’s just meant to be a street cruising fun car. Anyone I know who’s owned one complained it was boring unless you were winding it out constantly, which just isn’t the reality of driving on public roads these days.
@Peak_Mid
@Peak_Mid 4 ай бұрын
@@DeathMetalAsian with only 200whp you can wind it out all the time on public roads, within reason obviously. As a b series guy you should know as well as anyone that old Hondas are the most fun “slow” cars to drive fast. Even regular cruising I still prefer my stock ap2 all day over my much faster modified fk8 daily driver
@povilaslondon
@povilaslondon 4 ай бұрын
@@Peak_Mid cough mr2 cough
@AudiRSAvant
@AudiRSAvant 4 ай бұрын
This is a modern iteration of an S2000, as if it came out today. I think the K20C1 fits this perfectly.
@Nic01101011
@Nic01101011 4 ай бұрын
I owned an S2000 for several years as well as numerous sport bikes that rev way higher. Unlike a sport bike the high RPMs in an S2000 don't equate to much speed. Revving to 9k and not being able to out accelerate a modern SUV is lame. I'd very gladly take the extra 80 HP and double the torque.
@sudovv
@sudovv 4 ай бұрын
what a sick car, those Recaros are such a nice visual highlight
@bboylorettoEight08
@bboylorettoEight08 4 ай бұрын
After seeing the original fast and furious I fell in love with the S-2000 and the way it looks and can be modified
@reefturkey
@reefturkey 4 ай бұрын
I bought one right when the 1st movie came out and still have it to this day.
@paulwade5853
@paulwade5853 4 ай бұрын
That movie did the S2K no favours, every one assumed (and most still do) it'd be a great drag car, and it very much isn't
@saroeunphok988
@saroeunphok988 4 ай бұрын
I saw s2000 clicked on it right away!!! I had one myself and still wish I have it now. I’m not going to hate, TRULY AMAZING!! Much better than the clapped out ones I see for sale
@al3nmicl
@al3nmicl 4 ай бұрын
One time I saw a stock S2000 for sale in my neighborhood back in 2021. The guy wanted $30k for it!? Over 80,000 miles too... I said, no thanks. Lol
@saroeunphok988
@saroeunphok988 4 ай бұрын
@@al3nmicl I bought my s2k for $13k 10yrs ago, I ended crashing it and made money from that car, $22k from insurance and $2500 for selling the car. That was my baby!! I do miss her!!
@jaygiatien
@jaygiatien 4 ай бұрын
Nothing bad ever comes out of Evasive Motorsports 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
@B-Diddy-6
@B-Diddy-6 4 ай бұрын
Rob and Honda? LETS GOOOOOO!
@alopey_
@alopey_ 4 ай бұрын
That's a clean car, nothing exaggerated imo. Also, those red accents really blends to the body color. 👍
@sixstrz8310
@sixstrz8310 3 ай бұрын
Bought an 05 s2000 about a month ago been wanting one since I was a kid and all I gotta say about the s2k community is that it is the best community I’ve been a part off everyone is so knowledgeable about this car I love driving it everyday!
@tetrakoop
@tetrakoop 4 ай бұрын
oh shit it's rob!
@G_Ozare
@G_Ozare 3 ай бұрын
Yeah Hes done a few of these episodes check them out
@Mattiamusicofficial
@Mattiamusicofficial 4 ай бұрын
This is one of the cleanest Honda Builds I've seen
@snbala
@snbala 4 ай бұрын
As an owner of an S2000, taking that legendary F20C out which defines the car and going to a CTR Turbo engine has taken away its character. Another one is removing that iconic digital rev counter. It may be faster but I rather have that 9K red line and the engine that was made for this car that goes hand in hand. On another note, anyone who hasn’t driven an S2000 are seriously missing out. What a car!
@Kiloechonovember1
@Kiloechonovember1 4 ай бұрын
Agreed. I supercharged mine, put on a Robbins soft top and installed adjustable shocks. That's all it needed.
@BrainFuck10
@BrainFuck10 4 ай бұрын
Amen, I don’t even like K swaps cuz the F Series sounds better and it’s exclusive to this car which makes it special
@DuBstep115
@DuBstep115 2 ай бұрын
@@BrainFuck10 Perfect way to add torque and hp is electric motor between the transmission. You drive basically a stock F20C but just 100hp and 100Nm more
@92gears
@92gears 4 ай бұрын
My favorite memory of the S2K was playibg Gran Turismo 2 and using it to beat everyrhing that was more powerful in the corners I grew up with muscle cars but if there's a JDM car for me its this one, what an unreal build ! Thank you for highlighting this work 👏
@Tclans
@Tclans 4 ай бұрын
Gorgeous. Very tastefully done.
@JacobMueller
@JacobMueller 4 ай бұрын
Just starting to look at getting an S2K as they are still affordable and this is an inspirational video while searching. It looks OEM+ which is such a great place to settle with this car and vision.
@hippievogelei
@hippievogelei Ай бұрын
I doubt calling it affordable new was 50k euros(100k+ guilders) in 1999. A avg car would be around 2.5 to 5k euros now in 2024. Since its 25 years old. Lets say a bmw 320. nope still 40% of new sell value from dealer.
@sinfulhappiness
@sinfulhappiness 4 ай бұрын
Hell yeah. Love the established local tuner shops and what kind of projects that specialize in. S2000 in any form is chef's kiss in my opinion. lol
@diymike
@diymike 4 ай бұрын
Very nicely done, very professional and shot extremely well.
@wmatte91
@wmatte91 4 ай бұрын
Simply beautiful. The kind of car that seems to have no time, just improved in the perfect way. Astonishing!
@A-DUBCLUB
@A-DUBCLUB 4 ай бұрын
only saw the thumbnail and yeh thats noiiiice right there! I dont care abt the video.. just had to comment on this lovely piece of history. I still remember wen the s2k first came out, it wasnt a car that everyone cud afford. It was sorta like a high end honda if u will and cost a premium. Its not a civic u wud see everywhere.. so its almost nostalgic to see a one well equipped in 2024
@JasonMcMullen
@JasonMcMullen 4 ай бұрын
Love the car but it would have been nice to actually hear the car drive and see it do a pull, or just driven fast in some fashion
@ryanhuisman5550
@ryanhuisman5550 4 ай бұрын
I was thinking the exact same thing
@matmul4850
@matmul4850 4 ай бұрын
Yea this video is so well done, as you would expect from top gear but it's completely missing the driving experience part with engine/exhaust sound. Shame.
@dantevito1193
@dantevito1193 4 ай бұрын
No engine sound, and no performance numbers. For a swap that could be argued that ruins the amazing sound of the S2000 for straight line speed, i'd expect both
@tamto6328
@tamto6328 4 ай бұрын
Seems to be a sad trend now where somehow in the editing room, they decide to overproduce everything. They couldn't add 10 seconds of pov driving? You're already in the mountains for chrissakes.
@dominicjeanb2063
@dominicjeanb2063 4 ай бұрын
Agreed I was waiting for that
@Zaudunyani
@Zaudunyani 4 ай бұрын
This is an example of a perfect mod/homage. Everything is stated perfectly, it is completely streetable, it's gorgeous, fitment is spot-on, etc. What a phenomenal effort.
@howarddavies136
@howarddavies136 4 ай бұрын
Honda couldn't have done it better. It isn't too extreme, they haven't gone too far. It's exactly what an S2000R should have been. Excellent job! If I was to nitpick, I'd prefer round dials and the exhaust tips to sit just a little lower.
@boots_n_coots
@boots_n_coots 4 ай бұрын
A superb build, very tasteful and lots of power to go. Well done!
@technologic21
@technologic21 4 ай бұрын
It looks and remains faithful to the original idea Looks great with those New Formula Red bits and NH0 Championship White. I really dig it!
@chasing-you-chasing-me
@chasing-you-chasing-me 4 ай бұрын
Absolutely gorgeous guys👌 good job!
@user-hk7iy2vt5y
@user-hk7iy2vt5y 4 ай бұрын
Saw a video about this specific S2k when they had recently built it. Glad we get to see it in action!
@rhysmainwaring396
@rhysmainwaring396 4 ай бұрын
Lovely looking S2000! Great modification
@jeantrg.9503
@jeantrg.9503 4 ай бұрын
Hey guys. AP1 owner here. No worries on putting in a different engine in it but clearly its so good you never showed to being revved out. K24 would have been a better option. Love everything else about the car.
@_que
@_que 4 ай бұрын
Feel the same K24 NA on this chassis would be my preference as well
@DuBstep115
@DuBstep115 2 ай бұрын
@@_que The perfect engine for this car would be the JNC1 3.5L V6 from the new NSX but without the turbos. So it would make around 350-380hp. Thats the true flagship engine, would remain NA and have torque.
@stephen_brooks_photo
@stephen_brooks_photo 4 ай бұрын
Such a cool car! Happy to see Evasive on here.
@johndean3475
@johndean3475 Ай бұрын
I have a Skunk2 racing S2000 ! Max vTec power but still naturally aspirated. The 6-9000 rpm power-band is truly insane !! No turbo, no rear wing. Most amazing driver's car.
@ssab9063
@ssab9063 4 ай бұрын
The S2000 is one of my favorite cars and my attainable dream car. I love what they're doing with them!
@barrymuller6220
@barrymuller6220 4 ай бұрын
Well done,this is car is done to perfection and not overdone Wow,I want one
@R19Robbin
@R19Robbin 4 ай бұрын
Those bucket seats are sick 🔥🔥
@TheMadTitanM5
@TheMadTitanM5 4 ай бұрын
Beautiful build.
@brianlewis250
@brianlewis250 4 ай бұрын
I respect this build and also you guys at TG for featuring it . I drive an audi but I want one of these
@PhyFK8
@PhyFK8 4 ай бұрын
evasive is the king of modern day tuning in the west. Fantastic attention to detail and always nothing but the best.
@bremms1
@bremms1 4 ай бұрын
I had an AP1 S2000 for about a year. I modify everything, but not the AP1. I was planning on doing the rear suspension mod to correct the snap oversteer, but sold it and bought a Sportbike. I think the Civic Type R engine is a great mod.
@uGotGot1618
@uGotGot1618 4 ай бұрын
They absolutely nailed it
@pudermcgavin4462
@pudermcgavin4462 4 ай бұрын
I love the look of this s2k it flows so well!
@MikeRegan-er9fi
@MikeRegan-er9fi 4 ай бұрын
Mike at Evasive is a legend
@TheJMedia
@TheJMedia 4 ай бұрын
If there was a way to have a high revving turbo engine in the s2000 that would be amazing!
@MilesNJRacing
@MilesNJRacing 4 ай бұрын
Just turbo the original f series, would be way faster than this lol
@danmar007
@danmar007 4 ай бұрын
My favourite Honda. This one is awesome.
@leonardojimenez2415
@leonardojimenez2415 4 ай бұрын
he’s use the Soichiro Honda mindset. Love it. Always wanting more! Power of dreams
@MrBillsfishin
@MrBillsfishin 4 ай бұрын
That looks amazing. Great modern refresh of a terrific car.
@G_Ozare
@G_Ozare 3 ай бұрын
Stunning build. This is extremely tastefully done. Honda should be taking notes.
@dennisc9717
@dennisc9717 4 ай бұрын
Jason the tech is my guy when it comes to fixing up my nsx!
@roflcoppter117
@roflcoppter117 4 ай бұрын
This is an absolutely beautiful car well crafted for its purpose of being a road car but still focused performance capability
@loganh7787
@loganh7787 4 ай бұрын
Rob Dam is great as a host. Nice work!
@Dan-dx9qu
@Dan-dx9qu 4 ай бұрын
Awesome work 👌🏽
@tommy.ayefam
@tommy.ayefam 4 ай бұрын
First time I drove the AP1 I fell in love with the S2K. I would love to experience driving this car someday 🙏
@TBPony
@TBPony 4 ай бұрын
Kinda amazing to see Rob being a top gear host, its very fitting.
@user-xo4qu6wd9g
@user-xo4qu6wd9g 4 ай бұрын
Nicely done mate
@TheBucketOfTruth
@TheBucketOfTruth 4 ай бұрын
Such a tasteful build from these guys. I remember seeing it on Larry Chen's channel. Sounds like they'll have to come up with a place to make them these bumpers though right? Since they aren't available new from the factory? Super cool.
@carscoffeeandcannabis-634
@carscoffeeandcannabis-634 4 ай бұрын
This seems like a perfect build tbh. That engine in an S2000 would feel as fast as you could ever need, while keeping Honda reliability, the S2000s amazing dynamics.... what a dream car
@FenderUsa
@FenderUsa 4 ай бұрын
turbo in a s2000 is a crime
@carscoffeeandcannabis-634
@carscoffeeandcannabis-634 4 ай бұрын
I used to agree with you. And I think in most cases, that would be true. But I think and OEM Type R engine is the exception to this@@FenderUsa
@dnice362
@dnice362 4 ай бұрын
Love these episodes
@DELICIOUSORANGECHICKEN
@DELICIOUSORANGECHICKEN 4 ай бұрын
I think they did an awesome job building it. super clean
@jpagdilao
@jpagdilao 4 ай бұрын
That Honda S2000R is PERFECT ❤
@lastboyscoutNZ
@lastboyscoutNZ 4 ай бұрын
Robs is nailing these!
@waltersmith3165
@waltersmith3165 4 ай бұрын
Evasive featured on TG with a s2...what a time to be alive!🔥🔥🔥
@larrykay6606
@larrykay6606 4 ай бұрын
Rob: “I definitely want one. Will a rotary fit?” 😂
@paulwade5853
@paulwade5853 4 ай бұрын
I mean is there anything that a rotary WONT fit in?????
@nukexD
@nukexD 4 ай бұрын
Bought my Work Meisters S1 3p from Evasive back in the day. Love those guys 💪
@gigatron2008
@gigatron2008 4 ай бұрын
Beautiful. Having an AP1 this would be a perfect setup for the street.
@musiczkl98
@musiczkl98 4 ай бұрын
love the build
@afonsopereira1990
@afonsopereira1990 4 ай бұрын
S2000, timeless machine
@danielmaia3559
@danielmaia3559 4 ай бұрын
I like the wing mirrors
@Autopilot_Austin
@Autopilot_Austin 4 ай бұрын
Absolutely awesome
@iaaljabary2247
@iaaljabary2247 4 ай бұрын
Finally a likable presentor 😊
@alanarzate93
@alanarzate93 4 ай бұрын
Honda really hit their mark with thw s2k and the nsx
@arabbrian
@arabbrian 4 ай бұрын
Damn thats a good looking S2000
@Haltzo
@Haltzo 4 ай бұрын
It's a nice build, and amazing work has been put into this. But i just can't steer away from the fact that i love the original engine and the high rpm naturally aspirated screaming VTEC that was originally put into this car.
@enriquealvarez4702
@enriquealvarez4702 4 ай бұрын
Currently building a na miata to be similar to this. 250whp with a balance chasiss and braking system.
@ssjliano9971
@ssjliano9971 4 ай бұрын
Damn I been waiting for this
@nahidrahman
@nahidrahman 4 ай бұрын
This is brilliant!!❤
@Sman1505
@Sman1505 4 ай бұрын
AP1 Owner. Had mine for 16 years and. I regret selling it. I would rock this thing. Looks great. My old one needed more torque.
@josephmatuszak3855
@josephmatuszak3855 4 ай бұрын
Hella rad concept. This is a proper form of modification.
@AbuBawa-sw1ut
@AbuBawa-sw1ut 3 ай бұрын
Dope build
@BrianAndersonTT
@BrianAndersonTT 4 ай бұрын
Fantastic job overall. Just a little love lost being turbo but the right amount of power and powerband was worth it.
@777ElZorro
@777ElZorro 4 ай бұрын
Really tastefully done. Exactly what I feel a S2KR would look like if Honda made a R model in 2009
@HONDAMeskin123
@HONDAMeskin123 4 ай бұрын
One of the nicest touches is the cluster set up. The graphics are just like the civic oem cluster
@gpw_ap2832
@gpw_ap2832 4 ай бұрын
Awesome !! Evasive motor sports have been legit for decades
@gregoryrobertson
@gregoryrobertson 4 ай бұрын
It's a really cool car, and tastefully done. I really like the bottom lip and the rear view mirrors. The doors are beautiful... I would have rather seen the F20/F22C bored and stroked and kept naturally aspirated. For reference, my S2000 is a F24C from inlinePro and makes about 260 lb ft of torque N/A without ITBs. My set up is pretty tame and people on S2K are making a lot more than me. I would have loved to see a killer N/A build with this great aesthetic to truly highlight the the F platform. Having said that, just my opinion, still an absolutely beautiful build...
@WaterfallJoe
@WaterfallJoe 4 ай бұрын
I hope Evasive makes this an available package for sale!
@jredf1
@jredf1 4 ай бұрын
Gotta love honda and their almost vertical bonnet/hood lift angle 💯💯
@NathanTen
@NathanTen 4 ай бұрын
Would love to get my S to this level. Hopefully Evasive will iron all this out and make it available to customers soon!
@tranquilitybase7860
@tranquilitybase7860 4 ай бұрын
Great build.
@kalmtraveler
@kalmtraveler 4 ай бұрын
As a longtime AP1 owner, I don't hate this build but I agree that going with the FK8's non-VTEC turbo motor doesn't fit the spirit of what all the S convertibles are. I would probably have opted to do a top to bottom build of the K20/K24 variants that have DOHC VTEC along with iVTEC and rev it to the moon. Yes, the S2000 was lacking on low/mid torque, but all the S convertibles were meant to be driven at high RPM, you had to work for power.
@bige7186
@bige7186 4 ай бұрын
100% agree with u 💯
@clairvoyantdetails8423
@clairvoyantdetails8423 4 ай бұрын
That's sick
@luisdavinci1023
@luisdavinci1023 4 ай бұрын
Such a timeless car
@grant6173
@grant6173 3 ай бұрын
Absolutely. Absolutely. Not dissing the 2000. It's my favorite. But i'm old enough to know that there's a team at Honda that's about to blow your mind.
@romanovmarkelyon1021
@romanovmarkelyon1021 4 ай бұрын
I think they knocked it out of the park. Their ethos really does the car justice. (From a modern standpoint)
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