Never trust Honda please read my other comment

@@karlwithak. Honda gens no longer made in Japan unfortunately. So you are paying Japanese labor cost for something not made in Japan.

I think most will come to a conclusion like that. Hard to justify that price unless they don’t sell and come way down.

I agree tip off.

I gotta go with my EU2200……. Just too much $$$ for this gen. Would love to have it, but it’d have to drop $500-1000

I might upgrade to those if my EU2000i generators ever quit. And that's a pretty big IF 😂

Lol right

Nice, keep me updated if you can. Like hours and maybe any uses if you come across anything. Helps me build data. Hope it works well for years 😀👍🏼

It will it’s a Honda 😊@@johnnysweekends

Money should never be an issue. I don’t understand why people don’t have unlimited money to spend,😊 in order to buy whatever they want.

Almost like a mini hybrid 👍🏼

@@johnnysweekends Kind of, yeah.

Wouldn't work. First off to have a large enough battery to reasonably handle normal loads that someone wants a generator for it would weigh an extra 30 or 40lbs and cost about $500-750 dollars more just for the lithium battery. Secondly, a generator charging a battery that is then powering an AC device would involve twice the conversions and inversions of energy, which equates to inefficiency. It would be a large, heavy, and expensive unit. Why do I say this? Because I basically have the large scale commercial version of it for my off grid house. A Delta Electronics 7500 watt DC generator for telecomm towers that has the ability to have four 100 amp hour 12v batteries linked in series to act as a long term starter backup in case the main telecomm backup batteries fail. It is a generator with built in DC converter that outputs 48v, and is used to power telecomm station battery backups in the event of a power outage. It is large, and weighs about 600 lbs.

@@jimyeats Completely get your point about nominal intermittent use, but I really was just thinking about those times when you're only needing to draw something like 100W. You can build a 100-200Wh battery out of regular model-grade Li-Pos that'd be good enough for that. Sure it'll add a few kg, complicate the electronics a bit amd automatically drop another 10% off your overall efficiency, but the alternative there is running a whole 3kW unit just to keep some lights on amd I can promise you the thermal efficiency of that motor will be through the floor in that case anyway. It's a cheat, and a dodgy one at that, but in that one special case it might just work.

@@233kosta Still no real way I can think to easily do that and have it be automated without being excessively complicated. But I get where you're coming from.

Those are when they were bullet proof! That little thing is a runner!!

Ooph, yeah not a good night at all!

Ahh the Yamaha push rod motors, they last a long time ! Yea the 3000is is a tank though

For the money you’re out there in onan territory

Does this run a 13,500 a/c or 15,000? Thanks!

@RVingTheCountry Honda says specifically will run a 13.5k ac unit but it has no problem running a 15k

The original eu3000is was a tank and built to last. The newest models not so much. I sold mine because the inverter board was no longer available and no replacement. So I didn’t want a paper weight and I didn’t see any that crossed over. Unfortunately seems more and more of the newer Hondas are not lasting like the old tuff built units. Keep that one till it dies !! Lol

Those units are getting better and so far seem to get good reviews from many

Yea the price is hard to comprehend lol. But the Aipower unit you have will probably last a long time. Although the Honda has a starting watt rating of 3200 watts it’s sustained or rated running is 2600 watts. But Honda has a unique feature that will let the machine run full rated 3200 for a small duration of time. That could be 5 mins or up to 20-25 mins depending on load, temp, and elevation. Much like the 2200i. But eventually it will shut down if not brought back to the 2600 watts rated load

@@johnnysweekends thanks for the insight.

I purchased the same Aipower generator as a backup. The cost of the honda is crazy.

Yes tough price for sure especially when the power of two eu2200s and still way cheaper

i noticed the Honda's have a higher no load voltage i guess by time its loaded it will be pulled down closer to the actual rated voltage but the little 2200 was pushing it a little high on the no load voltage

I’m curious what it will do as we add the load and hold especially when it’s hot.

Depends what i need and how I use it will determine where I go…👍🏼

@@johnnysweekends 99.9% is harbor freight

Yea I honestly kept thinking the running was 2800 watts before I got this and I guess I never let the 2600 sink in. Kinda low for the size, weight and price. This was meant to take over the handi 3000

The Honda’s have proven reliable, however with the saturation of Chinese knockoffs it’s just not worth the money. You can buy 2 knockoffs and pocket the other two grand.

And people are getting thousands on some of the knock off models ..🤷🏼‍♂️ I think $2000 and this would sell so much better

I’ll just stick with my old Honda 3000 IU, it’s heavy 140 pounds but then it doesn’t walk away on you ! this new one is for rich people! Way too lightweight for someone to steal easily

True having this sit out open anywhere people would sure be eyeballing it. Be nice if it had theft deterrent. Can use with out a code every two or 3 starts maybe

When was that. I haven’t seen anything that says they have a California model yet. They were supposed to but then I think I heard they decided not to. 🤷🏼‍♂️ What was the price? The higher $2799 ?

It was at the Bart Hall (formerly Fred Hall) Sportsman Show at the Long Beach Convention Center back in March. I don't recall the exact price but it was just over $2,500. They had a few boxes of them and one out of the box. A bit heavy compared to the 2000/2200 models and I did notice the DC charging was missing. The cheap knockoffs don't have Honda's EFI which I think is a real plus for the Honda. My CRF300L dual-sport motorcycle has it and it works well. I took a photo of the generators on display since I'd never seen one in person before. If I didn't already have 2 of the EU2000's I would have bought one at the show.

Bro great set up. DP original delta and more. You need a smart gen ..😀👍🏼

@@johnnysweekends lol no wayyyyy dude 🤣

It’s definitely pretty cool but you are already set up. Nice features for sure.

Flip the breaker to kill the power every few weeks so your wife will help you buy more generators😂

Lol

The old eu1000 was a great little unit and pretty tough. Altitude will effect any generator, FI or not but it will do better then a carb model 👍🏼

The only way to get full power at altitude is to have a turbo charger.

@@NackDSP Fuel injection makes adjustments for cars at altitude. Not sure about this generator. Even at that power is lost.

Forced induction is the way. By SC or turbo.

FI will adjust fuel to air ratio in a car and hopes of this as well. It will need to have a air density sensor at least and hopefully there is some mapping but will see how it does at altitude testing soon enough.

So, was it worth the price of admission?

@@CoachKatanaHead Zero complaints so far - starts first pull like a Honda should. The Bluetooth connectivity is awesome to monitor and shutdown the unit from inside when the weather is gross. Camping next to buddies who have champion and HF generators - I'm happy with my decision. When we are out on trips ski camping or steelhead fishing in the winter its running whenever the furnace is running. In the summer we only run it when the AC is on as our camper has enough solar for all of our other needs. The cost proposition of the 3200 versus the 2200 is a tough one... We wanted a little more capacity than a single 2200 provides so the unit wasn't working quiet as hard for long periods. Since I was moving up from an old 2000, I would have needed to purchase 2x2200's to get the capacity required to run our camper. I went with the single 3200 for ease of use/ portability - with our truck camper setup, transporting 2x2200's would have been tough as we are limited on storage volume.

@@karlwithak. oh really 🤣

Should ask all the upset eu7000 FI guys, because they are pissed.

@@karlwithak. even after people let it sit like they do with a carb’s generator and the fuel turns to varnish?

Champion is the new king of reliability. We’ve been using ours day in and day out for the past 3 years straight. It’s a one pull wonder! 😛

Nice to see the feedback, thank you 👍🏼😀 What model..?

@@DoyleShadduck which model? My 2 units are great. 3500w digital inverter open frame.

My Champion 2500 suitcase electronics and motor control gave out at about 2000 hours. The Honda 2000i that it backed up is over 10,000 hours and is still going strong. Both get near perfect maintenance and we use them to power an 8k AC all summer. The Champion came in about 1/2 price so I am sticking with Honda going forward.

Good feedback, thank you.

It’s a nice unit for sure. I guess it better be for almos $3000

Our Chinese no brand 3kW runs reliably for the last 10 years and it was 1/10 of the price. While Honda is quality and reliability, I do not fancy myself paying 10 times more for a brand sticker. The thing is, if our Chinese generator shows signs of giving up or dies, we can go to the local store and buy another brand new 3kW one for 300-500 USD and we can continue to do so 10 times before we reach the price of this Honda, and I can guarantee you, no generator bought today will be a complete and utter dud, they will keep running past the warranty.

@@kurosumomo China makes crap

Do you have the Bluetooth model even if you don’t you can check hours on the green indicator light

@@johnnysweekends it is bluetooth but I have never been able to figure out how to make it connect Lol you know us men I don’t read directions lol

Lol it’s easy down load app… Scan QR code or punch in secret is code inside panel. Then fire up generator and connect the app in the first 30-45 seconds 👍🏼😀 Let me know if it works

@@johnnysweekends ok thank you i’ll try that soon

Nice those are the test that should be done , the noise levels are no consern for me. Espesially between a decible or 2

All good points…..👍🏼😀

Yea I agree with the fuel filling, would be nice to have a 1.5g tank

If you use ethanol-free gas why do you use the Sea Foam stabilizer with it? Why use a stabilizer with 100% gasoline

@@ericdulyon4601 pure gas still oxidizes over time. Stabilizers slow the process. 🤷🏻‍♂️

@@Chickennss thanks

Lol darn near 3! I see used 2200s all the time and some with only a couple hours for about $800 in very good shape. That’s 3 of those. Or a bunch of other units at way less.

This will likely be sold to older folks that don’t want to mess with 2 units and only want to run a single ac unit in their little travel trailer. They just see the wattage and assume “Honda” equals worth $3k in their head. I’ll also keep my 2200s lol

The app is pretty nice and simplistic 👍🏼

Yea I did see a post from Honda and put out a notification. Oh and thank you 😀👍🏼

My thoughts exactly why I put all of that junk on there that will only break

Yea there is so many others to choose from now at a fraction of the price. And not just me but others as well have been saying that Honda is not as good as it used to be. And that price is really tough to swallow

@@johnnysweekends The Honda is too expensive until you need it.

Could buy any new generator and still be cheaper in the long run. Many many complaints on the newer models. They are not bullet proof. Most times they do fine but I’m seeing more issues than I used to which makes it hard to justify spending the money.

Honda will last 3X longer

My Yamaha is awesome

What happened to the champion units ? How many hours on the units?

What happened to the champions? I have 2x hybrid inverter units and haven't had any issues with them.

Idk I wanna know as well. Some comments I have to make sure I evaluate properly because is it more the owners fault or truly the unit…? All this comes to play on a unit that goes bad. Chicken or the egg thing

@@johnnysweekends exactly. My champion was left for years with the same gas, no stabilizer, nothing. Took like 40 pulls to get it started, but then it ran totally fine even on the old gas. Last year Ian hit us and I used the same generator for 5 days straight. Used up the rest of my old gas from all sources, literally no issues and crazy efficient. I used approx 20 gal in 5 days of 24/7 operation. Changed the oil at 100 hrs... Didn't even look too bad and this was cheap Mobil super oil. I bought a second of the same generator last year open box but never run. Swapped it out in the last 12hrs of generator use so I could change the oil on my first one at 100hr runtime... Did the break in period for 5hr and swapped to the other generator again while I did break in...

All of these models were/are the electric remote start inverter generators that are used with a couple of travel trailers. All the issues are under 500 hours. I had a crank but no start issue with the 3500 watt inverter generator. Carburetor and switches were good. I suspect a failed inverter module but I traded it in on the first batch of the now current 4500 units with a Champion distributor that I deal with rather than getting it fixed. The 3400 unit, which I still have, has had a series of problems. The small red light on off switch would not light and so the generator would not start. This switch is fused with a round glass fuse. Champion in all their genius, buried the fuse in a bundle of wires in the center of the generator. I saw it in the wiring schematic. I couldn't believe Champion would do something so dumb as to put a changeable fuse in such an inaccessible location so I called to confirm. Wait time on hold was an hour and forty-five minutes! The tech expert did not understand the issue and could not read the owner manual schematic. He did follow up and did ultimately confirm with a supervisor that indeed there was a fuse where I suspected. I had to disassemble a good amount of the generator to access the fuse. The fuse was bad. It was cheaply made. The solder for the wire filament at the end of the tube failed causing the filament to intermittently lose contact. This repair was done outside in the middle of the desert in over 100 degrees heat. It was not a good time for a failure. I replaced the glass fuse with a blade fuse in a rubber holder and ran it out to the battery compartment. That is what Champion should have done to begin with. The same generator failed on a December elk hunt when it would crank but not start. Nighttime temp was around 10 degrees. After doing everything I could think of over a few days, I took it to the distributor for repair. He found that a bolt came loose securing a valve rocker arm. One of the two (I forget which one) would not start. I traced it down to a loose ground wire. Last month the 3400 would not start because again the red on off switch would not light up. This time the fuse was good. I did a continuity test on the switch and it was bad. I had a spare switch that fixed the problem. Because of all the issues, I bring along a box of spare parts I bought off the Champion website. The switch has to be replaced by using a small screw driver to release a clip, then pulling it out and away from the panel. There is very little extra wire to clear the hole. It is so short that the metal terminal of one lead will easily touch the metal panel and short. Disconnect the battery first. It appears not much consideration was given to making these units easy to repair in the field. Now for the 4500 model. About every 10 hours the engine will surge as if running out of gas even though there is plenty in the tank. I'm sure that does wonders for the trailer electronics. The other issue with it is the power module breaker cuts out after about 45 minutes on a regular basis when attempting to power the AC. Power draws only about 1500 watts, well under the generator specs. I've taken it to a Champion repair station twice and they can't reproduce the problem. I suspect it is a weak inverter module that fails when warm. The carburetor on the older series appears to be very sensitive to the smallest amount of dirt. I have dissambled and cleaned them multiple times because of rough or uneven running. For comparision I have two Honda 2000 units bought in 2001 with a lot of hours that are used every year. I finally replaced the carburetor on one last year. That is the only significant repair they ever had. They have been used trouble free in the same way as the Champions. This was a long response but you did want to know. I figured the detail was necessary so you can decide if the failures are product or user related. All of these generators have been well maintained to factory recommendations, run on mats or elevated to be out of the dirt and although run regularly, they have not been abused. I've had the Hondas for 22 years with almost no issues whereas the Champions have been a disappointment over the four years that I have been using them. I hope this adds perspective to my original comment.

Thank you. It’s a nice unit for sure. Wish the price was a little more reasonable lol

A pair of 2200s is a hard set up to beat..!

Those are per bullet proof units

It is nice but yea like most people, uhhhh its a pretty penny.

You can use some of the larger 240 units but trying to charge a ev in general you need a large unit. 6000 watt at least or it will take for ever dust for a couple miles. One reason I think I’ll be going hybrid for the next vehicle. It will cover all the short commutes but then will be good for the long drives. And maintenance will still be there but less.

You would think if they are targeting more of the Rv market a TT 30 amp plug would have been nice. The twist works but of course I would rather use the Rv plug and just run adapter for the house if needed.

I like the 2200 but honestly it could have been a 2500 easily. And 2000 watt run or 2200 run.

If the problem doesn't exist, why are basically all makers producing 3000W gens at this point?

Oh man yea its tough to spend that kind of money on something you may not use much when a cheaper unit will do. Even if the cheap unit dies another can be had for $600 or so and you are still ahead.

No recalls like the 2200s but its still early. But I bet you may even see some used units for sale at a fraction of the price. I think Honda is missing a very big market!! $1999 these would probably fly off the shelf. But maybe they already are…🤷🏼‍♂️ I know production is limited.

I think the EU3000 is one of the last that will be a true die hard Honda. Lots more problems with eu2200s than normal and the eu6500 and 7000 units .

Maybe it will last 10 years, yet for the same amount a money I could buy 2-3 other generators and get buy for just as long if not longer for far less money. I don’t see the value. Especially when we have solar panels and batteries providing just as much power. We only use a generator when we have more then 4 days of no sun. Which is very very rare.

Yea I dont use my generator so much now lol. Only when i need ac a lot

@@garyzimmerman8679 I disagree, nothing will last as long as that Honda. I've been installing off grid power systems for 24 years. But if you do have that kind of luck then all the best to you!

@@boblatkey7160 No what I was trying to say is that for the price of that Honda, I could buy a new cheaper model every 3 years and still spend less money then what one would spend on that Honda.

It is nice for sure..!!

Sorry no ..🤷🏼‍♂️

I think $2599 will be the base which finally over the last two weeks I’m starting to see it more and more. Verses the $2799 or even higher sometimes . Crazy! $2199 would be nice lol

@@johnnysweekends It would be money well spent, regardless. I bought an Ecoflow Delta Pro “just because” and I don’t regret it!

The delta pro is still the king!! All these larger power stations coming out and still can’t touch it. They did it right the first time. Maybe a couple small tweaks but still, Dam tough

You should join some Honda forums. Might change your mind.

The 3500 max seems like a great unit. I have less then 5 hrs on mine but it purrs….as you could see in the video. Even if the Honda got 6000 hrs and the genmax got 3000….well do the math

I have a pair of the EU2000i's. Very economical, almost whisper quiet. One of them will run the roof air on my cabover. I''ll never get rid of them.

Good little unit. I find myself using power stations now more than generators. Quick and easy. But long term or big power then yea, gen comes out.

@@johnnysweekends I have the EcoFlow Delta Pro and extra battery but 7,200 watts doesn’t last forever and then the trusty Honda is needed!

Correct, all depends what you are powering and if solar is available. But yea its not a replacement for a gas generator. But they are getting better and better that’s for sure.

So I have messed with this some and want to some fuel efficiency tests and proving to get some what accurate data is proving hard because of the intank fuel pump. Same as a car. So it does not prime like a normal car does so I think there is a check valve maybe on each side that will hold pressure or a least a lower pressure so once starter rope is pulled it opens to let some fuel in and then the other opens once motor spins. Definitely not making other tests easy lol

Which model?

Which model?

I think most will come to that. The new unit overall is actually pretty big and heavy

Because then you will burn double the fuel and that’s kinda the whole point to be reliable and yet efficient

Exactly. It’s not that big of a step up in power when you have so many options. It’s nice but under powered and over priced.

If they discontinue old models, I'd say the new higher prices are due to our massive inflation. Plus China is collapsing as a source for many things, and that's raising prices, too.

I guess some of that is true. Since this is a Japan model and not Taiwan like many others I wonder how many parts of any are sourced from China ..🤔 Hard to find Japan models now

​@@johnnysweekends my australian eu2200 says made in thailand and our consumer law states they can't say that unless 51% or more parts are from the country of manufacture otherwise it must say assembled in thailand not made in from what i can tell honda have never built or assembled power equipment in taiwan

Your correct I meant Thailand and said Taiwan …. Good catch 👍🏼 The eu2000 and 2200 are both mainly out of Thailand from what I have seen

I’m just moving oil on the bottom end… Yea I don’t think the oil finger is gonna flick much with a couple light pulls

Agree!

Nice!!! I knew there was somebody lol 👊🏼👍🏼😁

I know it’s tough to consider this as nice as Honda is the prices are pretty darn crazy. But the prices and demand I think are going down because I’m now seeing it more regularly at the $2509 verses $2799 price. Still some trying to ask that or even more

If I thought I had another 15 years or so, I’d definitely find a way to purchase a Honda. Things being what they are, think I’ll just opt for the quietest.

See here Honda Generator Paralleling Honda Eu3200i Honda Eu2200i kzfaq.info/get/bejne/a7unmJNq0brHl3k.html

Yes it will have no issue charging the Anker products or other power stations as the Honda is an inverter Gen with clean power..👍🏼

If the everyday price was $1899 they would sell like crazy but $2599 and up just doesn’t make since. I even had a hard time at $2200 when I bought mine

@@johnnysweekends I’m shopping right now. My initial preference was for a pair of eu2200’s but I keep finding electric start eu3000is nearly new for $1400-1600 and seems like a no brainer especially when you consider the ability to remote start them and the bigger fuel tank. 120 lb weight is a downside but now that the 2200’s are up to almost 50 lbs each it’s not really much more than a pair of them. Now that the 2300 is appearing for a little less I’m also considering it but the louder noise and teeny tiny fuel tank are negatives in addition to the recoil start.

@drewdoestrucks yea I can’t see the eu3000is being a great mobile option unless it’s just a home unit. It was just to big and heavy I like the sizes of the Honda eu2200

@@johnnysweekends I wanna be able to sleep through the night running the ac and the tiny fuel tanks on the suitcase units are a turn off. I know there’s options on the aftermarket to fix it.

I’ll have to add a chart for the next one. This was kinda a pre video to about two or 3 more I’ll do.

It’s a nice unit but darn the price lol

Exactly with that money there are a lot of options.

Hard to compare when there is no other 130cc unit that is carbureted. Those tests are hard to do when you don’t have a comparable model to test of off. So then it becomes verses your money. Will the Honda EFI bring 10k hours or is it worth it to get a off brand that will do 4000 or so hours. Buy 3 of those and your ahead with a new unit each time. Verses putting new Honda parts in a used up Honda generator. That’s like putting a transmission in a car with 275k miles. Replace the car

Yea it’s a shame, more companies keep leaving

O’doyole Rules!!!! 😂 👍🏼👊🏼

Yea it’s crazy just one thing after another

Soon my friend … well I hope 😁👍🏼

Yup they are transitioning to batteries But yup no more Honda in CA

I think people will consider that as well. Heck I see barely used brand new Hondas for about $800 with less than 50hrs find a pair at $1600 and more power, less money and good to go 👍🏼

Yup Ill be doing that soon once I get the new unit. Mine is preproduction unit and a couple changes have been made.

Im curious to on the new genmax. Will see soon as its just about done

Lol a little over kill but for sure

Yes true but if there was a kit would you add it..?

@JOHNNY'S WEEKENDS yea if I had one. Would I buy one for this price nope. That price us to nz would be around 4400 including GST

Ouch yea that is real expensive!

@JOHNNY'S WEEKENDS yea sure is I'm running a 7kw (240v) generator that myself and an electric engineer friend of mine into having a triple hybrid off grid power system. LPG is great when it comes to high loads. Runs smoothly compared to just petrol. I did try a cheaper 2kw generator running e85 race fuel. Made 4.8kw before the engine got too hot. Great fun experimenting what difference the different octanes perform in generators with eldiffernt loads

That unit is 49% off right now during a lighting deal !!

The Honda has 70,000 continuous running hours, good luck getting that with anything else.

@robertledsome3327 which one? No repairs or parts? Just a single unit? That’s pretty high even for Honda

I have the dual fuel smart generator and also the delta pro that is $3400 dollars. I have made videos on all of these but not a comparison They both would have advantages, but in the long run it would be tough to decide which one, but I would probably go smart gen with delta pro. Much more universal

You could buy 4 of them..!

All things aren't created equal. Hook it up to a ocisillicope to see how "dirty" the power is, also measure the drop in voltage when you turn on your devices. Dirty power and huge voltage drops will reduce the life of your electronics. Paying a few more bucks is worth it to not need to buy new everything else when their own internal components fail.

I will be doing these soon..👍🏼😀

Usually all pure sine wave inverters have good clean signal. I don’t think you will find much variation there.

@muddstuffn hence i dont do the test anymore. It’s really to appease the audience. I haven’t seen one video I have watched or a item I have tested where the unit that is a inverter type, not matter what it is puts out a dirty wave form. Unless its the cheapest of cheap, or the item it self is faulty. But the audience wants to see. But maybe we can see some THD between the two 👍🏼

Normally FI adds about 10-12 % better fuel economy but in order to test i would need another unit exactly the same to see true difference

@@johnnysweekends Interesting, if it's that much, can imagine for commercial use, might save enough fuel to make it worth it on a TCO calculation (A generator over it's whole lifespan can go through a lot more fuel than many expect)

Yea there do burn fuel. Smaller engine will be helpful at 130cc. Will see how it does in the long run

Made in Japan is a pretty big deal. You don’t see that anymore

Would this eu2200s pull my 2011 sportsman classic ez model

Rv.

Pull it.. as in run the whole thing or just AC..? Need more info

@@johnnysweekends The cord to start the old versions :) LOL

Will see what comes soon 👍🏼