They should have done this in Cantonese so they could have been more expressive with everything
@yangz18033 жыл бұрын
They will probably start greeting other one’s mother.
@iloveyouchina93423 жыл бұрын
They will greet like this *CHAO NI MA* or *DIU LEI LOU MOU*
@stanleychen25843 жыл бұрын
@@iloveyouchina9342 bro why you gotta make us sound rude asf 😭
@boooomerwang3 жыл бұрын
Can they? iirc CCP hates everyone who doesnt speak mandarin.
@asspirin933 жыл бұрын
确实,直接就dio了也说不定
@fygfdger3 жыл бұрын
No matter what you Pro, you can’t set fire to the shops or beat anyone who not agree with you.
@Aliendingwei3 жыл бұрын
Well said.
@sword78723 жыл бұрын
And even worse, they weren't apologetic and the pro-d youth leaders refused to condemn using violence.
@peterwallis42883 жыл бұрын
@Soulwalker Young all of them did that did they?
@swearwern42863 жыл бұрын
Freedom in HK means Freedom to storm and vandalise the Parliament Freedom to beat up whoever not agree with you Freedom to take away other people's freedom Freedom hurt and kill innocent people Freedom to disregard law and order Freedom..........👏👏👏👏
@seafood_hater3 жыл бұрын
@@swearwern4286 And guess what? During the British control, there was no way they were allowed such "freedom". The irony.
@zicongma67023 жыл бұрын
As a Chinese guy who's been UK for half of my life, I'm really glad CNA released this piece. Despite the "miss-labelling" of Keybros, it still managed to show the arguments really well. Now people can judge with their own eyes instead of believeing western media blindly.
@glowndark12 жыл бұрын
miss labelling eh?? I guess you do not watch CNA that often! this mouth piece of Singapore is basically the echo chamber of western bias media. I am overseas Chinese myself who live next to this country, there are good and bad things about mainland China for it is not a perfect country just like any other country, you don't have to take side, just an honest reporting which in this case I think CNA is lacking. To me, the pro democracy guy is naive and arrogant to generalize the whole 1.4b people, I dont think he has ever set his foot on China but basing his view from what he read from MSM. But that's probably because he is young and his understanding about geo-politic is quite limited, i can understand that, like I was when i was his age, but now I have totally different view.
@johntan5072 жыл бұрын
CNA is pro west and bias reporting at times.
@barry88672 жыл бұрын
Well, no offence intended, but allow me to ask you a simple question, how have you managed to live in the UK(a clearly western country) for half your life if think western media is that biased lol
@zicongma67022 жыл бұрын
@@barry8867 because chinese media is worse lol. It’s all propaganda, eastern or western, gotta use one’s own judgement sometimes
@barry88672 жыл бұрын
@@zicongma6702 Well, so you do admit that western media are overall better
@aidenwinter11173 жыл бұрын
3:01 “like littering or spitting on the ground” Bruh we Brits do those things here and even worse I’d say. Bet he’s one of those people who’d want to be associated with us. The very definition of grass on the other side being greener. Can he literally not think of a better example?
@Evil-V3 жыл бұрын
Lol I’m not surprised that HK youth is the one to have this kind of behavior ‘cause they all have their adolescence crisis and tend to follow American bad habits. I’ve met and discussed with Beijing students they all look more mature and tend to accept other cultures pretty easily.
@TheButterMinecart13 жыл бұрын
I rarely see young Chinese people do this. It's mainly the older generations who have a habit of spitting a lot.
@jaymarx3 жыл бұрын
@@TheButterMinecart1 many older Chinese are long time cigarette smokers....
@nicholasp18723 жыл бұрын
I don’t see ANY of the Chinese youths spit or litter in my country. That dude is either just extremely prejudiced against China mainlanders or he just quoted a real bad example.
@user-ij6eb8mg4v3 жыл бұрын
They are just purely Anti China. That's their whole purpose. Still living in their honkongers fantasy, probably never set foot in mainland even once. Probably have no idea, across the river, Shenzhen has pretty much reached the same level of development. Not only in terms of economy but also morality. HK ers don't spit on the floor mainly bcs of the 500 dollars fine. Who knows if there's no fine.
@Rman7753 жыл бұрын
The 'pro China' participant was very clearly the more open minded and knowledgeable of the two, you could see that he genuinely came to listen while the other guy was simply there to reassure himself of his own opinions. Quite frankly the constant look of condescension on the 'pro democracy' guy's face was a tad bit irritating.
@user-yw5wf6kz5t3 жыл бұрын
And he was trying so hard to have a fake accent and looked like a clown.
@MKiurinuRigold3 жыл бұрын
I agree
@jlai0363 жыл бұрын
Spot on 👌
@MrCliverandy3 жыл бұрын
You guys haven't noticed yet? That's the racism spectrum of fascism showing it's true color. The way he talked about protecting his culture and how he stereotyped 1,4 billion mainlanders.
@liza61623 жыл бұрын
His condescending attitude was so annoying, really gross
@HKChineseCanadian3 жыл бұрын
I was born in Hong Kong and left for Canada when I was one years old. I have live almost 60 years in Canada and all my relatives were also from Hong Kong. In Canada I tell everyone who wants to know that I am Chinese. I tell all my children to be proud of their Chinese heritage and I despise those in Hong Kong who despise their Chinese identity. Mr. KK sounds like a reporter for CNN or BBC. His arguments are neither correct or insightful. He is living in the dark days of the cultural revolution. Why can't he remember back to those days when the British colonial masters treated the Hong Kong Chinese as second class citizens and gave them none of the freedoms that he now enjoys under the One Country, Two Systems program.
@moonvo73682 жыл бұрын
你有我的尊重
@davidcheung51332 жыл бұрын
Less freedom under Trudeau if you are a trucker.
@happier6652 жыл бұрын
He is too young. He never lived under the British rule and it seems that nobody ever taught him anything about that.
@johntan5072 жыл бұрын
HK protesters should know that HK was taken by the British by force. HK belongs to China. There shouldn't be any one country two system, just like Macau.
@moonvo73682 жыл бұрын
@@johntan507 Facts!!
@outisnemo5553 жыл бұрын
That’s not a pro-Beijing guy. That’s a rational decent human being.
@malivev47052 жыл бұрын
free hong kong
@malivev47052 жыл бұрын
@@andyjo8268 imagine being pro Beijing
@outisnemo5552 жыл бұрын
@@malivev4705 Yeah shouting slogans on the internet is a very anti-communist thing to do
@CrimsonEclipse2 жыл бұрын
Both of them are actually rational and decent and has some good points but they also overly generalizing and nitpicking include the pro Beijing guy. Yes, he has some points about the west but at the end its not about them. It's between HK and the Beijing Government. It's also not even about Mainland Chinese people but many makes it about them and how being something other than Chinese is a threat. Because obviously not everyone in China are the same including the vaules of Chinese youths. There are multiple regional identities and ethnicities. But the government encourages homogeneous identity and being Han Chinese. The pro-democracy Hker seems to prefer people to acknowledge how Hong Kongers has a different culture which is obvious and want HK to maintain it's autonomy like they used to. That isn't irrational especially if they compared their past economic freedom and goverment style to current policies. Yes, he is very bias but he has his point.
@bluespy58132 жыл бұрын
@@malivev4705 imagine wanting to sit on the skulls of commies
@twhy53803 жыл бұрын
KK's disapproving facial expression is written all over his face.
@lcW-xn4pu3 жыл бұрын
He’s trying to act western while the other guy is much more western in his thinking
@Rippinkitten183 жыл бұрын
CIA talking points.
@fyfn3553 жыл бұрын
Pro-Beijing KZfaqr was more rational and open minded. He knows the historical context and is proud of his Chinese identity.
@fyfn3553 жыл бұрын
@Sandy Wong true. the funny thing is. being rational and fair with China, is already considered "pro- CCP" these days.
@eveleung88553 жыл бұрын
@@fyfn355 I agree, I'm not even a mainland China national, however whenever I talk about a mutual point of view about China, praise the China central government's achievement here and there, anti China individuals often call me a pro-CCP, why do I even pro CCP? This CCP thingy dose not even run my country's government nor benefit me in anyway. This anti China thing just so ridiculous!
@tdwebste3 жыл бұрын
China broke its promise of the basic law. And replace governing system and police accountable to the people with one that is ONLY accountable the CCP dictatorship. Replace the independent Judicial and ICAC with a tool of oppression. Instead of a government accountable to the people, the CCP kills all those who question it and its altumate athority, Tiananmen Square. The CCP does not have the interest or safety of its people at heart, only its continued absolute power. Nothing makes this more clear than highly probable covid-19 leak from the Wuhan Virology Lab. EX Hongkonger
@coninseres45413 жыл бұрын
@@eveleung8855 Shared feeling here. I am a dual British-Canadian citizen raised in the West and despite repeating how much I equally loathe the Communist party for what it's doing to infringe Chinese people's human rights and freedom, people still label me a pro-CCP when I speak of not wanting to be burnt with petrol bombs or discriminated against just for my Chinese roots by localist HK or Taiwanese folks. At times HKers and Taiwanese netizens would label me a communist just because I said Trump is racist and would support Biden if I were an American. Lol, guess in their eyes, 55% of the Americans are communists for not voting for Trump. Their worlds are totally twisted - I no longer am empathetic to their cause, despite continuing to call for freedom and democracy for all of China.
@eveleung88553 жыл бұрын
@@tdwebste Did you even bother to read every single word the basic law has to say? I have, both in English and Chinese, China central government didn't break any basic law, Sino British Joint Declaration Article stated very clear - 3(2) The Hong Kong Special Administrative Region will be directly under the authority of the Central People's Government of the People's Republic of China. This paragraph mean Beijing has full authority in manage HK. And 3(4) The chief executive will be appointed by the Central People's Government on the basis of the results of elections or consultations to be held locally. Stop your lies!!! If you have shred of hard evidence to support your claim that the China Central government break the basic law, please point it out one by one!
@LoC28C3 жыл бұрын
Feels like KK being educated in Hong Kong has a very closed mind and is sort of brain washed to lean towards an anti-china agenda. He seems very arrogant too towards KeyBro. Perhaps it’s the Hong Kong education system that doesn’t encourage critical thinking. Nevertheless I think it is a great first step towards reconciliation. A good step to have dialogue between both sides. Hope to see more of these kinds of dialogues between these two camps of thoughts.
@eveleung88553 жыл бұрын
@Winston S Typical kids know nothing about politic nor democracy, not even has any real world experience, but a self center spoiled brat with entitlement up on their brain, never contributed anything to the society, yet, go around with their demand, like the world has owe them a lot, a very sad generation. If they don't lower their pride and prejudices, rethink their action, they will be come the fringe of the society.
@angelinej87553 жыл бұрын
HK rioters and protesters are NOT "pro democracy" at all! HK rioters burnt and killed innocent HK old people who disagreed with them!
@LoC28C3 жыл бұрын
@Winston S I feel that Hong Kong’s universities and even secondary schools should immediately start the student exchange programes with its counterparts in Mainland China as a compulsory part of their education so that these youths would learn more about the mainland and create more integration and exchange and this should be a consideration for graduation.
@philiplim25743 жыл бұрын
KK is already showing aggressiveness right from the get-go when the other dude said Hi and picked a card. Very typical lol
@shawnlim4663 жыл бұрын
If you look at these 2 individuals' talks and opinions, you will easily understand why China is growing at such a fast pace. One is open and willing to adapt and grow, another, just close door
@cart1723 жыл бұрын
@JamManBolitics Nah, you're talking about America who has over 700 military bases in over 80 countries/territories.
@shawnlim4663 жыл бұрын
@JamManBolitics Clearly, you don't know China. Perhaps, you've never been to China too...
@zhuyuxuan18293 жыл бұрын
@JamManBolitics Haha, anther 'Chinese expert' who pretends to understading China and never been to China before.
@Zero-te9rw2 жыл бұрын
What happened in the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre?
@up33152 жыл бұрын
China is growing because countries rely on it economically and this affects the politics of other countries too. China also pays its citizens poor wages, so they can mass produce goods cheaply.
@ngvkhtnw223 жыл бұрын
Keybros is much more mature than KK. Keybros also has a much better command of the English language. KK said that he is ashamed of being identified as Chinese because some Chinese litter on the street and spit on the floor. This just shows he is such a small-minded person. Should he feel the same towards his many native Hongkongers who did exactly the same thing when Hong Kong was poor years back. This just shows how shallow a person he is when it comes to judging (other) people. Overall, KK has just reinforced my impression of these so called "protesters" who are nothing, absolutely nothing, but part of a bunch of HK spoiled brats who are so despicably self-righteous and condescending. These same (self-righteous and condescending) attitudes that are despised by people who truly understand and respect human values.
@ypyk25263 жыл бұрын
seriously if Keybros is really that patriotic about being a Chinese, i wanna ask him, 1) why he chose to study overseas? 2) when he said people in China can also protest, my follow up question is where are these protestors now? still in jail? i cannot deny that at some points of the discussions. Keybros appeals bit more mature yet i feel what he said has been scripted somehow by his pro China affiliates. And i cant never stop being skeptical in all pro China movement and speech. I would just consider it as some sort of propaganda. On the other hand, well done KK, you are a true HKer, so pure, real and no disguise!
@ngvkhtnw223 жыл бұрын
@@ypyk2526 I'm not Chinese and my country has a lot of beef with China. But I'm also a person of reason and I always try to be dispassionate when it comes to political analysis. Your two questions can be easily answered: First, studying abroad has nothing to do with patriotism. Gandhi studied in England and was against English rule. Second, "protests" must be done within the confine of the law, unless you want to start a violent revolution. Smart people know how to protest within the grey areas of the law, but stupid "protesters" will always be exploited by opportunistic politicians for their personal (political) career gains.
@ramenbeez30473 жыл бұрын
@@ypyk2526 can you comment on the arrest of the rioters (so-called peaceful protesters on your term) who stormed the White House on Jan 6th this year? Why we don't see you to name the US government as totalitarian regime who suppressed the freedom of demonstrations and human rights and took away a human lives in the past 6 months?
@dinosaurw11033 жыл бұрын
I agree to the first half of what u said. But maybe you have a stereotype towards protesters in HongKong. Just as some people in mainland consider protesters as terrorists, this kind of thought and description may be not appropriate.
@brianhooper85633 жыл бұрын
the thing you have to understand is that all of these kids are not spoiled brats but normal kids that are like most other kids very impressionable at their young ages. the problem here is the fact that these kids are being lied to and taken advantage of by outside groups and at their own expense. it has been documented by the cia cutout the NED that they have been there funding and training these kids and they started a little over two years before the protests even started. so this is just the case of a foreign power taking advantage of children to promote there own geopolitical agenda. the worst part is that if this were to be successful these kids would not have fought for freedom or a better life like they think, but for the right for America to be their new ruler!!! this is why its mostly kids because older people in Hong Kong remember what British rule entailed!!! this is a sad situation and the fact that the NED is funding the same thing in Thailand, Myanmar and Xinjiang needs to be addressed and stopped!!! This is not freedom its tyranny!!!
@ichi_yu99403 жыл бұрын
The pro-democracy person is so discriminatory and it's embarassing to see how he generalises an entire group of people
@chrissuka25573 жыл бұрын
He's been taught to hate himself and see a race in black and white terms. Just what they learn in HK schools that have narrow teaching about chinese people.
@patrickchow19813 жыл бұрын
salute to keybros, open minded, educated and rational. you guys are real global citizens
@twood20323 жыл бұрын
This pro-democracy activist sounds very patriotic toward being a Hong Konger, but sadly at the same time, he also sounds like a fascist. When a person's feeling of patriotism is based on looking down at another group of people that are different from them, they are slowly becoming fascist. Within the study of social science, this is the common problem being seen all over the world with a strong correlation of patriotism plus propaganda equals hate, and hate leads to fascism, and fascism leads to crimes.
@1vlaadchamp1983 жыл бұрын
Scratch a liberal. And you’re thinking of nationalism. Patriotism is pride in ones country, nationalism is the belief that your country is superior for whatever reason, and this is the point of pride, which overlaps with fascism.
@hansenberg98953 жыл бұрын
exactly, they are actually becoming another way of communists. Democratic way.
@bisayafascist57253 жыл бұрын
@@1vlaadchamp198 nationalism doesn’t mean your race or ethnicity is superior that’s ultranationalism which KK is.
@1vlaadchamp1983 жыл бұрын
@@bisayafascist5725 When did I say anything about racial superiority? I said national superiority. Race is usually one of those points of superiority but not always.
@bisayafascist57253 жыл бұрын
@@1vlaadchamp198 Oh ok. When an ideology has crossed the line of superiority to others it’s no longer called fascism it’s now called national socialism I always remind myself of that.
@jackwong2303 жыл бұрын
CNA - why the Pro-Beijing label? I have been watching Key Bros since they started the KZfaq Channel. They are definitely not Pro-Beijing. The 2 lads are Hongkongers/UK ad US law students who speak multiple foreign languages and are probably more exposed to western ideologies that the average Hong Kong youth. Does CNA label anyone Pro-China as long as they are not Anti-China?
@carr16k3 жыл бұрын
Perhaps CNA don't want to cause controversy by labelling them open-minded & extremist lol
@tankman200643 жыл бұрын
@Soulwalker Young why cannot take side ? CNA can be run by other races. Why need to pro-beijing ? They have no connection to china.
@weilee11553 жыл бұрын
@Soulwalker Young CNY control by SG government
@lingho55783 жыл бұрын
Agree. All of Keybros videos are well researched and they always emphasize listening to all side. Def disappointed in CNA
@yu-jd5jg3 жыл бұрын
CNA is affiliated, I suspect similarly financed too, to the MSM. Such so-called news channels are popping up all over the world with similar agenda
@cungcung50423 жыл бұрын
Keybro is not pro-Beijing or pro-China. He is pro-truth and pro-logic & common sense
@dduay3 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@shirokisasaki32333 жыл бұрын
best comment ever
@richie10023 жыл бұрын
It feels to me that both of them are holding back their mind from one another.
@davyliyang3 жыл бұрын
else they would be fighting with fist
@maxsquared3 жыл бұрын
Funny thing is: Keybro sounds more democratic than KK.
@DemocracyIsBaal3 жыл бұрын
KK is a brainwashed zombie
@kolviczd68853 жыл бұрын
Haha.. Exactly.
@ehjo49043 жыл бұрын
Because Key is more mature and studied law . Here is the difference !
@haoranwang8643 жыл бұрын
That's right.
@thatcanadian44603 жыл бұрын
KK can’t think for himself
@watchman8353 жыл бұрын
As Chinese grew up in the West, I found the pro BeiJing youth is much more open minded than KK who is pretty full of himself. KK has a lots of prejudice against and making generalisation on what Chinese know or don’t know, repulsively arrogant. I would guess KK’s limited English probably prevented him from understand Democracy in practice and it’s various implications.
@tankman200643 жыл бұрын
One is a citizen. One is pro-independents.
@hayleywng2 жыл бұрын
Yea exactly This debate and the comments section is pretty unfair to Kk, Pretty sure they cut a lot what Kk said and he has a slight disadvantage of having less English proficiency than keybros, I’m from Hong Kong, with keybro’s accent, he probably spent some amount of time aboard or studied in a private school, with different educational background , definitely Keybros have a “better “grown and open minded mindset and debating skills. I also feel like this talk is pretty scripted and both guests have everything planned in their head, which isn’t exciting at all. I think Kk could have delivered the conversation better. Or even to have a better effect, do this talk in Cantonese with two local born and raised hongkongers and will have a less bias result.
@watchman8352 жыл бұрын
@@hayleywng How about no!?😂
@samlee6938 Жыл бұрын
I don't find his English limited. What's limiting is his lack of life experience to see how democracy functions or not in, say, the US.
@alsuperbee90483 жыл бұрын
Keybro is like an open minded brother you can agree with while KK is only interested in adding another K to his name.
@ascensionzenith40433 жыл бұрын
lmao
@w007167613 жыл бұрын
lol.nice
@seafood_hater3 жыл бұрын
lol
@leafinwind993 жыл бұрын
you are a genius!
@insideout98243 жыл бұрын
No wonder 😅
@johnw2813 жыл бұрын
I'm not Chinese, I'm a Hong Konger is like saying I'm not German, I'm a Berliner. LOL
@force15353 жыл бұрын
Hong Kong and China have very different cultures. One had 160 years of British cultural influence. One did not
@4178yasar3 жыл бұрын
Even the native HK people don’t call themselves HKer they know their roots.
@jeffj33573 жыл бұрын
@@force1535 LOL @ “cultural influence”. New Zealand, Australia ,Canada were influenced by British culture. HK,India,SA aren’t even allowed to have their own representatives within their OWN local govt. These HKers are delusional, the brits didn’t culturally influence HK, it dominated and ruled HK like India and SA. It amuses me every time to see the HKers’ reaction when you speak Chinese vs English to them, inferiority complex is a bitch.
@person-vi6dm3 жыл бұрын
@@jeffj3357 HK and China is too different
@alevator6062 жыл бұрын
@@force1535 one has been like a dog for the British and the other one is coming to eat it
@pxl61883 жыл бұрын
"Pro- democracy " kid clearly thinks Hong Kongers are superior to mainland Chinese, or all Chinese because he's hong konger, not Chinese...lmao
@Aliendingwei3 жыл бұрын
The pro-democracy activist looks so arrogant while the pro-Beijing feels much more humble and sounds very reasonable
@eveleung88553 жыл бұрын
@WeAre TheWorld yet they know nothing, absolutely nothing about politics, that is the saddest part.
@benjaminwang29213 жыл бұрын
Obviously, Keybro is more open-minded. He studied in London and know more about western democracy than KK, who learns second hand democracy in HK.
@ac82283 жыл бұрын
Wrong bro, it's not second hand democracy, it's 200th hand democracy... HK was never a democratic place under British rule 😉
@Hermit-Crab3 жыл бұрын
Hong Kong people very unfortunately have an enormous sense of superiority over Chinese from other parts of the world, but especially over Chinese from mainland China. Their unfounded sense of superiority has blindsided them and caused them to be extremely ignorant of what's really happening in the world. As a result, when they suddenly find that the country bumpkins from mainland China that they look down upon are actually doing so much better than them, with degrees from prestigious overseas universities, speaking fluent English and Mandarin, working in highly paid professional jobs in international financial institutions, living in high end apartments, while they struggle in low paying jobs, they cannot help but to feel envious. Eventually their envy just boils over into outright anger and erupts into violence. It's time for the Hong Kong people to come to terms with reality. The sooner they do, the better for them.
@canto_v122 жыл бұрын
I think people who have entered the workforce are aware of China’s impressive progress. It’s mainly the teens who have not come to terms with this reality, due to their self-selected exposure to the world. Especially vulnerable are the children of parents who desperately cling onto Cold War views of China and “Communism.” If and when those kids get in trouble for breaking the law, the parents have created a self-fulfilling prophecy. It’s really twisted and sad.
@bakersmileyface3 ай бұрын
Claiming that Hong Kongers have a sense of superiority and then telling them that the Chinese way of living is better and they should just give in and assimilate because that's what you think is better for them is peak irony.
@x0Kamix0x3 жыл бұрын
What KK meant to say was that HKers are "better" than mainlanders. Most of these youth don't think too much about the circumstances in which led to the British colonization of Hong Kong.
@jiahsisco56673 жыл бұрын
What were the circumstances? We do not hear much in the USA.
@benisputterr3 жыл бұрын
@@jiahsisco5667 Really sad how education varies in the US, I learned that in my ap world class. In short, it was the result of The First Opium War between Great Britain and Qing China (1839-1842). British merchants were selling opium to smugglers, which caused a rise in addiction (This was done so they could buy Chinese tea, porcelain and silk, which were really prized in Europe). It was banned and opium in the major city of Canton was seized, with any new sellers being threatened with a death penalty. Britain didn't like that and sent the Royal Navy out. They had the better ships and guns so they won. In the end, the Treaty of Nanking was signed and Hong Kong was given to Britain. Ports which allowed foreigners to do trade in China were also opened up.
@alexhe9263 жыл бұрын
I don't understand how Hong Kongers think they are "better" than mainlanders. Like this guy Drew Binsky, he made an extremely rude comment where he said that Hong Kongers are more open minded and polite than mainlanders. And then I saw most normal western tourists in China, where they said the chinese people either helped them when they were lost, or offered to pay them money. so dumb
@cleong55853 жыл бұрын
He was saying in a point that Hong Kong people have positive way of life, and more well rounded than mainlanders. Hong Kong people actually immerse into diversity way more than mainlanders due to British colonisation. There were negative aspects about colonialism but British actually were very good administrators. Hong Kong law has good democratic values with good welfare system. It is a very small country with flourishing economy before and after chinese handover.
@cleong55853 жыл бұрын
@@alexhe926 mainlanders have language barriers with foreigners. Hong Kong people are not very friendly with strangers. But they have English speaking skills and ability to communicate. Hong Kong people are generally more open minded than mainlanders due to their exposure under democratic laws and welfare. Mainlanders are generally different on ideals. They are more conservative but very limited due to limited amount of news and education has given them. Here is a thing, mainlanders all over China are very different. It depends where you go. Shanghaiese have cold personality. They are straightforward. They don’t deal or waste time with a person who doesn’t have something to offer them. Shanghainese men are often friendlier. Hong Kong tend to be rude and busybody. But once you get to know them, they are very open minded and know a lot of things. They are very hardworking. Here is a thing, people in Hong and mainlanders are actually very good people. Very good soul. They have their own sense of intelligence. Hong Kong are more well rounded. Mainlanders are more like eager to learn. Here is what separate them- it is not human themselves. It is politics that divided them. But more how they are different. Hong Kong people wanted more capitalism, free market economy, democratic- Republican value. More free country. China is communist country with state capitalism, socialism, big govt interference, less freedom of speech- more controlled. They even ban social media from overseas. And they make their own. This is about which place has better system to live in. To be frank, Hong Kong has a very good welfare system and fixed tax system. They don’t charge extra taxes. The government don’t run after you for more taxes. China has salary or ownership cap. You don’t want to make too much money in China. Because If you do, the government gets a big share. It is very limited applying freedom of speech. It is less restrictive than North Korea but more restrictive than Hong Kong. When you need information, you get more from Hong Kong than China. Which place do you prefer. That is the point of debate.
@xmb67933 жыл бұрын
must be hard for KK to look into the mirror every morning to realize that he is not white enough.. LOL
@ronaldoggha18013 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@GIN.356.A3 жыл бұрын
Lmao underrated comment
@90ackt3 жыл бұрын
He is banana
@shawnshawn86853 жыл бұрын
Pretty savage
@sshong15533 жыл бұрын
@make china japan's bitch again You are just as insane as the name of your identity. 👎
@AL-sj2dx3 жыл бұрын
Judging from KK’s facial expression and body language, he is harsh and arrogant, whereas Keybros is sincere, articulate, and task oriented!
@AL-sj2dx3 жыл бұрын
@@SS-tr6ei Too bad for your comment, you only worth one cent, 一毛蟲!
@jasehuang34923 жыл бұрын
Totally agree, a person with his bucket full has no capacity to accept other point of views. While Key Bro is cool calm and collected, and open minded. This is how we all need to be, always keep an open mind and listen to other people's point of view. Differing point of views, do not mean he or she is your enemy. A person with different point of view has the equal right as you to be there, to stay alive.
@troutstalker47443 жыл бұрын
Key bros always does their homework.
@sayaandyangsaya27563 жыл бұрын
KK: I learn from BBC and CNN.
@troutstalker47443 жыл бұрын
From the vid , to me kk sounds to me to be more a separatist who wanted a western democratic style of governance while key bros except that hk is a part of china and puts more faith in the current chinese government .
@Juzproo3 жыл бұрын
“Life isn’t just about politics.” SHOUT IT LOUDER TO THE ONES AT THE BACK
@simp22343 жыл бұрын
Leftist left the chat yA too political unfollow
@texxon33553 жыл бұрын
@@simp2234 yes, because the leftists are the only politically loud ones, sure
@aaryank92683 жыл бұрын
Why are you here then?
@hn37313 жыл бұрын
Yep, go talk to the Hong Kong government then
@harutosunaa38813 жыл бұрын
Liberal
@astroyang50833 жыл бұрын
I am Youth from mainland China and live and study in Europe. Totally agree with Keybros. Open mind and accpect the difference for people around the world.
@natalial.87273 жыл бұрын
Yes I'm thai-chinese Chinese are not closed mind but the western media tried to portray Chinese as they are brainwashed by gov. I mean most of the mainlanders I known have both perspective west and east this is not just the young gen but the old as well
the guy on the left looks hella defensive during the experiment. I respect the pro-Beijing guy
@qiangqin24663 жыл бұрын
Same feeling here bro
@appleslover3 жыл бұрын
Typical pro-"democracy" western puppets
@yl128pang33 жыл бұрын
Total voting membership: 193. More than 100 countries voted “Yes.” Question 1 - Who voted against it? Ans 1 - USA, UK, Australia, Canada Question 2 - Who voted Abstention? Ans 2 - And All EU countries voted _Abstained_
@tdwebste3 жыл бұрын
China broke its promise of the basic law. And replace governing system and police accountable to the people with one that is ONLY accountable the CCP dictatorship. Replace the independent Judicial and ICAC with a tool of oppression. Instead of a government accountable to the people, the CCP kills all those who question it and its altumate athority, Tiananmen Square. The CCP does not have the interest or safety of its people at heart, only its continued absolute power. Nothing makes this more clear than highly probable covid-19 leak from the Wuhan Virology Lab. EX Hongkonger
@Kuasarakyat23 жыл бұрын
@@tdwebste Capitalism has failed the people, they have been raped and robbed by the colonizer and the elites for centuries.And the US want to contain China rise by cooking up issues to create chaos in HK, Taiwan and Xinjiang. I am an Immigrant living in Hong Kong
@ulaalu43563 жыл бұрын
I'm not chinese but it was so cringe to listen to feel ashamed of a nationality.
@jjsparkyjjsparky94013 жыл бұрын
“Pro-Beijing’ is a misleading, CNA’s title. Not what Keybros is about. They are more about anti-violence.
@obnoxiouscommenter61943 жыл бұрын
Exactly lol
@DerrickNinon3 жыл бұрын
Agreed. They should get a ‘true’ pro Beijing guy for the debate.
@antoniosottomayor62523 жыл бұрын
Although i don't know enough Keybros, don't forget that a person's incentive (or the message that they try to represent) can be multi faceted.
@Chriscrosser3 жыл бұрын
I mean, CNA must have shown/told Keybros the title, which means they are fine being called this way
@syzygy14923 жыл бұрын
Pro Beijing is anti violence. China just doesn’t want to be stepped on any more. Because China is improving so much on its own it’s other countries who are going out of control trying to hold it back at all cost.
@ayambo32813 жыл бұрын
It’s like a uni student talking to a junior high school kid, and this is reflected in the maturity and depth of arguments and thought brought forward by each.
@canpek5453 жыл бұрын
London college beats HK local college in education.:-p
@takitako6793 жыл бұрын
@@canpek545 not really
@user-ty2fm3ge9m3 жыл бұрын
@@canpek545 I think it’s more because he’s an activist. He keeps supporting pro-democracy ideas, so it’s easier for him to be in a biased environment. Edit: As in confirmation bias
@canpek5453 жыл бұрын
@@user-ty2fm3ge9m Ironically many radicals are from low income family and their parents are mainland immigrants but they don't believe they have a promising future and that is why they are kinda self-hated.
@flipflopsanddingdong46203 жыл бұрын
Glasses Disgusting
@hiyukelavie23963 жыл бұрын
When that anti China boy said Chinese youths do things that shame themselves like littering and spitting, I would have asked him back when was the last time he saw a Chinese youth littering or spitting I would follow up by asking him are Chinese youths the only people on Earth who do things that embarrass themselves? If not, why are they being singled out for blame? Anti China youths like that KK boy is simply operating based on preconceived, discriminatory notions about Chinese people
@strictlylethal3 жыл бұрын
KKK boy wouldn't bat an eye if he saw white kids spitting on the floor. Growing up in Canada, I've seen it a lot, but the white masters get a pass right?
@haitaowu58883 жыл бұрын
To be honest, it’s clear that pro Beijing guy is more educated and more open minded, i would love to make friends with this guy rather than the pro democracy guy
@junjunjunl85643 жыл бұрын
@JamManBolitics where you go study doesn’t have to have anything to do with politics. And yes the “less well off person” seems much less open minded so it really doesn’t have anything to do with him being less well off, if he is.
@tomtam87893 жыл бұрын
"Open minded" people support authoritarian regimes ?
@junjunjunl85643 жыл бұрын
@@tomtam8789 maybe open minded people understand the difference between a country being authoritarian and a country trying to keep all its territory from being taken away by the western powers like the whole Middle East
@brianlam94293 жыл бұрын
@@haitaowu5888 Why do you mainlanders bring America into every discussion? China gave the world the VIRUS thanks to their CCP coverup. Ask Li Wenliang and the early whistleblowers... oops sorry you can't cause he's DEAD. I guess you just follow the lead of the CCP propaganda department, picking on every fault of "Amerikkka" and ignoring all of their own problems. China has a million Uighurs in concentration camps, I think that is many times worse than your imagined faults of America. Why don't you check the top 10 wealthiest, most developed and highest quality of living countries ( Including Asian ones like S. Korea, Japan and Taiwan) - almost ALL democracies. Except some lucky enough to have oil.
@bluevelvet75913 жыл бұрын
Pro-democracy and Pro-Beijing? This title is clearly referring that "Beijing" is the opposite side of "democracy". What a clever move of propaganda.
@BeauBeauBaluub3 жыл бұрын
I feel like they’re way too positive about the end results of the discussion. They didn’t find many compromises in the end of the discussion. I wish they would’ve gone more into depth on the topics. It definitely felt like “I respect your opinion and I have my opinion” and that was basically the outcome.
@linstein59033 жыл бұрын
If the pro democracy guy said anymore, he'd be arrested under the national security "law"
@lynth3 жыл бұрын
Do you believe the extremists that are protesting in Hong Kong have any interest in constructive dialogue or solutions? You cannot change the minds of people whose minds are totally closed.
@deadbzeus3 жыл бұрын
@@lynth I mean it sounds like you have your mind made up about a group of people you have applied a blanket statement to. You should look inward and try to figure out why you are full of so much hate and sadness.
@canto_v122 жыл бұрын
@@linstein5903 are you saying KK wants to talk about secession? If so, you’d be right. Otherwise, not so right.
@canto_v122 жыл бұрын
The supporters of the HK unrest don’t want to come to agreement, because their social construct is based on being disagreeable, not finding solutions. That’s the general problem with pre-NSL politics in Hong Kong. Once they compromise, they lose their justification for existing-they aren’t actually interested in solving problems.
@obsidianstatue3 жыл бұрын
KK is one letter away from his spiritual organization, and he seems doesn't have any friends from the Mainland, hence the prejudicial, stereotypical and condescending view towards Chinese.
@dunlop92923 жыл бұрын
Possibly but we are taking about being one nation here and no so much about having friends from China. I agree he has prejudices but being one nation is a completely different topic. It’s like asking Malaysia and Singapore to merge again under circumstances. I believe both countries have good friends with each other but merging is a completely different thing.
@user-yw5wf6kz5t3 жыл бұрын
Too bad he was born in China, with Chinese genes and look. He might be better off to start hate himself.
@MrCliverandy3 жыл бұрын
I see that you are a man of culture. Yes, that's fascism on the spot. The way he protrayed mainlanders by using stereotype and talked about protecting his culture. Yep. I bet he's also religious, because fascism relies on mythical believe to take root.
@peterwallis42883 жыл бұрын
@@MrCliverandy you say religious like it's a bad thing.
@MrCliverandy3 жыл бұрын
@@peterwallis4288 . What do you call somethong that promotes lunacy?
@lifejourney083 жыл бұрын
The guy who is studying in London seems to have a wider exposure and a clearer understanding of the whole event and ironically not gravitating towards Western agenda unlike the other who is based in HongKong!
@tonnychandra24623 жыл бұрын
does the pro-democracy guy think that being a hongkonger give him an elite status compared to other Chinese ? kind of arrogant and delusional. China has some badly behaved people but so is hongkong and other countries as well.
@ligerdave3 жыл бұрын
@CC no no no. He said he studies at a local school
@lifejourney083 жыл бұрын
@CC You are not paying attention - The pro-democracy one is studying in HK, that is also the reason why the mindset of "oppression" and "democracy" is embedded in him even when HK is ranked 3rd on the human freedom index in the world! His disease is called "Cantonese Supremacy"
@dunlop92923 жыл бұрын
Our KK definitely have a Cantonese supremacy feeling I don’t deny but the main question is should HK & China citizen merge as one? Perhaps not as they really run on completely different administration. Being friends and agreeing to disagree can happen all around the world but I think these 2 nations are set to thrive more if they stay separate rather than trying to squeeze themselves as one.
@ligerdave3 жыл бұрын
@@dunlop9292 I think you are making a big assumption here. You treat hk as a nation rather than a city of a nation. In my understanding, it has never been and it would never been an independent state. Now, if we accepted this fact, the question o rather they should merge as one, I would say why shouldn’t they? We have been talking about globalization for so long and we know it has improved life quality. So why shall we separate hk from the rest including China? Are we saying that hk shall mingle with all but not China? This is an interesting finding I have on China. As soon as one mentions China, the rest view it as a moral hazard and try hard to disassociate. I think the media has done a great job to degrade China. But is china really bad as they have described? Probably not, at least not on the visits I have made to the land. China is following a Singaporean model per se. we can probably find many similarities in both nations
@gweejiahan93363 жыл бұрын
"i think i will not agree with them." "I will try to tell myself to stay calm no matter what they say." KK starts with a closed mind and aggressive attitude immediately labeling the other side as an enemy, also KK keeps dealing in generalization, false dichotomy, absolutes, and only un-educated people and sith lords deal in absolutes.
@craigdaurizio6863 жыл бұрын
Well it's easy when one side represents a large aggressor. If there was another larger country trying to consume China, and then each side sent someone to talk, isn't it predictable that the smaller side that faces being taken over against their will is not willing to listen? This isn't rocket science here....
@sun8goh3 жыл бұрын
@@craigdaurizio686 definition of "talk" is go into it with a firm vision of your belief but at the same time open to listen to the other party...
@craigdaurizio6863 жыл бұрын
@@sun8goh Perhaps it is because English isn't your primary language, but I understood that the reason why he isn't willing to have his mind changed is because the CCP is unwilling to let HK live as an independent country. That's very reasonable. If I was violating you and refused to stop, but we decided to talk, of course your mind would not be changed no matter what I said. How can you not understand this? This situation has nothing to do with having an open mind. Do you believe that it does?
@ashleytrueman3493 жыл бұрын
@@craigdaurizio686 not exactly as it is only a small portion of Hong Kong that wants that. Mainly the students who don’t remember what it was like being controlled as a British colony and have been influenced by the west either through media or university. So how would you class that as a take over? Especially when Hong Kong is China, all the Chinese government are doing is trying to make an easier transitional period instead of completely changing everything once the transitional time period that was set is over. If they don’t gradually change the situation there would be absolute chaos in Hong Kong on the first day after the period ends. If you think about it with an unbiased mind then it will make sense.
@sun8goh3 жыл бұрын
@@craigdaurizio686 The unchallengeable fact is that HK is a city in China, it never is a country as you "think". Give me a country that tolerate separatist? Imagine California demand independent from US, or Hokkaido make the same demand..
@user-ic7mv6bj4w3 жыл бұрын
For the Hongkong guy to claim Mainlanders have no manners etc is a laugh. When I go to Hongkong in the past the Hongkong peeps would be like "Dill Ney Lo Mo", "Hum Ga Tan", "Pook Gai". To all that do not understand these. Total bad language used everyday by young and old. Disgraceful
@ccchew22203 жыл бұрын
In the present too
@insideout98243 жыл бұрын
Also I have a Singaporean friend who used to hate mainlanders n told me that most Singaporean don’t like them. I asked why but she couldn’t give me reasonable answers, I guess must be due to negative western medias coverage. Well, ironically few years later she married a mainlander she met while on business trip in China. Ever since her perspective of mainlanders changed n she told me that she will never ever again judge others through others
@tdwebste3 жыл бұрын
China broke its promise of the basic law. And replace governing system and police accountable to the people with one that is ONLY accountable the CCP dictatorship. Replace the independent Judicial and ICAC with a tool of oppression. Instead of a government accountable to the people, the CCP kills all those who question it and its altumate athority, Tiananmen Square. The CCP does not have the interest or safety of its people at heart, only its continued absolute power. Nothing makes this more clear than highly probable covid-19 leak from the Wuhan Virology Lab. EX Hongkonger
@insideout98243 жыл бұрын
@@tdwebste NONSENSE !!! I’ve looked n learned about this matter myself n what I discovered was that all of what u mentioned above were propaganda against China n CCP. About the Tiananmen Square riot, the western or the so called “pro democracy” medias always reported that a CCP tank run over a man but there was never a single video captured the exact moment, it just seemed like any other demonstrations where victims occurred from both rioters/protesters n the military/police. Also people often say that it’s dangerous to visit China, the CCP harvest human organs n I was like what the hell.......then I realized that this was the rumor spread by Falun Gong. Well, what I’ve learned through my Singaporean friend is that never judge others through others........
@thenshwa18453 жыл бұрын
@@tdwebste parrot!
@oliver62243 жыл бұрын
@@tdwebste Ex Hong Konger? What are you now? Mainland Chinese. That's great
@tdwebste3 жыл бұрын
@@oliver6224 Not all Chinese are from China, some are from Singapore, Taiwan, Canada, US, Germany, France. Every though their race is Chinese we call them according to where they live.
@carr16k3 жыл бұрын
Keybros has shown that it is indeed true for those who travel and lived overseas to have a better understanding and perspective of the world.
@MrCliverandy3 жыл бұрын
Funny how fascism deluted individuals are usually more afraid of leaving their own comfort sofa.. same phenomena everywhere.
@MrCliverandy3 жыл бұрын
@@SS-tr6ei . So you are actually suggesting one should check other's family background as validation to their opinion instead of the opinion itself. How interesting. Do you know that not only it's undemocratic but also unacademical to suggest something as fascist as that as morally normal? So, are you in someway decended from the Taiping lunatics? 😂😂😂😂
@lianzijin59553 жыл бұрын
What a failure of Hongkong's education system, youths rather be colonized than being independent. They have no idea how much their ancestors suffered from imperialism!
@MrCliverandy3 жыл бұрын
@@lianzijin5955 . That's called colonial mentalism. And Christianity also plays a great role in making one dumb, mentally disturbed and bow down to the whites.
@caryw20533 жыл бұрын
It's so true. I once saw a Chinese pro-west "journalist" "reporting" about hospitals in China, he showed a waiting room and said "can you imagine any government let their own people waiting to be treated"? I was so certain that he has never lived abroad... It was a walk-in hospital without appointment btw..
@joselee96053 жыл бұрын
I feel bad for Kk, he was probably expecting to easily win over some super nationalist that would spew out easily refutable statements, but ended up going against a rational, reasonable man who obviously studied thoroughly over the subject. I mean, kks lack of preparation is really evident, “ littering and spitting” is something you think of on the spot, without considering how generalized it is or how bad it is for his argument.
@williamg1022 жыл бұрын
Brainwashed kid by CIA RFA. Pity him, not knowing he is only a pawn to be used against China.
@jademoon15302 жыл бұрын
But that was always the problem and you hit the nail on the head. You call is "lack of preparation" but actually the so called "pro-democracy" protestors/rioters never really had any substance in any of their conversations/arguments and still do not seem to have improved?
@thorodin27422 жыл бұрын
The way he's talking about chinese people only highlight its racism towards peoples that have more in common with him than he will ever have with the West, not only physically. It's well known , HKgers used to think they are superior to mainlanders, no secrest and you can feel it in this video. I'm neither mainlander nor Hkger but i speak cantonese and know both sides.
@ronrocker713111 ай бұрын
I don't think KK was allowed to say, what he REALLY wanted to. He could be put away behind bars, if he did.
@Exult3 жыл бұрын
Props to both of them to come on the show, but KK did not stand a chance against Keybros who has well thought out rational answers based on his experiences interacting with mainlanders and westerners. KK's answers are just rehashing what he saw on the media.
@evilpiglet3 жыл бұрын
KK based his knowledge of Chinese youths on stereotype.
@dsodragon81523 жыл бұрын
Meanwhile KK is advocating for democracy, freedom and liberty. So first of all that's an automatic win for me. Secondly what does Keybros mean when saying we should have an alternate view from other people? Who are these other people? Chinese Govt. or the Hong Kong youth fueled by Chinese Propaganda?
@orchidoutdoor6483 жыл бұрын
@@dsodragon8152 I guess he meant people like me, I think propaganda exist in every country, not just China, but I know a lot of youth around me knows better on freedom and democracy than you think we are, we just be more patient on the progress, people are happy with the goverment because we felt this country is getting better, while the western media is telling you that we are living in hell here, not true, we are OK.
@BC-xj1yn3 жыл бұрын
@@dsodragon8152 So do you want only one view in society? That by definition is totalitarianism. Having alternative views is precisely what democratic societies are about, surely not setting people on fire and forcing them to agree with you. Secondly, I don't think KK is really advocating for democracy, he seems to be advocating for separatism and foreign interference. And HK is already free, it's constantly ranked as one of the freest cities in the world after the Handover by western think tanks
@dsodragon81523 жыл бұрын
@@BC-xj1yn okay let's break down what you said and assumed: 1. I don't assume to know what kk thinks or Really stands for. So foreign intervention, or separatism.... Whatever I just commented on keybros fallacies, which he tried hiding with smooth talking. 2. When I said there is only one type of freedom, that's right isn't it? Either you speak what you think or you get suppressed by the state, there's no third alley here. Freedom is not a 'point of view', it's a state of being. YOU ARE EITHER FREE OR NOT FREE! 3. Hong Kong WAS free my friend, what the democratic youth are fighting for is the growing control of China in Hong Kong. In case you missed the memo, China implemented a bunch of changes like: increasing no. of pro party legislators, censoring the Hong Kong media, police violence, mass surveillance. Now for people like you what the CCP does is, it slowly increases the control until it has creeped up behind you and it's over. Before you know what's going on. It's like a disease, cut it off before it spreads and rots it to the core.
@dehua-27303 жыл бұрын
Two young kids argue, one local kid has experience through media, the other kid came back living abroad and knows the real picture.
@matthewbentley12363 жыл бұрын
you mean one got to escape the troubles in HK and avoid the problems by hiding in a western democracy while the other had to live through the issues
@haydncnj3 жыл бұрын
@@matthewbentley1236 More like one who lived his life in an echo chamber while the other has actually seen both sides of the world.
@jy3ster3 жыл бұрын
@@matthewbentley1236 one lives in the allegory of the cave while key bros escaped the cave and saw the truth
@tenniswithric3 жыл бұрын
Through what medium does one living abroad has the ability to know the "real picture"?
@haydncnj3 жыл бұрын
@@tenniswithric Living abroad doesn't necessarily mean knowing a more realistic picture, but living outside of HK definitely helps. HK is the only place on earth where 'peaceful protestors' openly declared that they are not going to condemn the rioters and that they are one of a whole (和勇不分家?核爆都不割?).
@oke152323 жыл бұрын
Keybros looks more mature and answer politely, and KK looks like want to show who's the boss
@RS-vz8xd3 жыл бұрын
It's easier to adopt that manner when you're on the side of the conqueror. I'd imagine a similar dynamic between someone from a colonizing nation and a citizen of the colonized country.
@asdf569533 жыл бұрын
@no name isn't it the opposite hahaha idk
@RS-vz8xd3 жыл бұрын
@@asdf56953 Give it a try; publish an opinion article in HK questioning the labour practices/human rights abuses in Xinjiang, and another one questioning the legitimacy of democracy in HK, and see which one is approved.
@asdf569533 жыл бұрын
@@RS-vz8xd if publish in China mainland, both will not approve no doubt. In HK, it was ok. With the national security law, I'm not even sure anymore for both. Publish in SG? Probably both can approve.
@RS-vz8xd3 жыл бұрын
@@asdf56953 You're not allowed to write about the legitimacy of HK democracy on the mainland? I think I've seen a number of stories about that from the Global Times and CGTN...
@kwunheitsang86883 жыл бұрын
"It's hard for us to talk peacefully" - Pro-Democracy
@vangcruz44423 жыл бұрын
Democracy lost in Hong Kong and the Pro-democracy didn't like the result. Pro-democracy only work if they win. If not they cannot talk peacefully.
@vangcruz44423 жыл бұрын
@@wangj6766 What happened in Hong Kong? The Pro-democracy group lost in a Democracy election and blamed the CCP. The Pro-democracy even went as far as destroying the transportation systems to keep the old and poor people away from voting. Yet still lose.
@kwunheitsang86883 жыл бұрын
I ain't seeing any Pro-Democracy here living in Hk, only rioters who punishes people for having different political views.
@TK-my7jg2 жыл бұрын
@@vangcruz4442 They even burned old ppl alive... I saw that video in youtube so Nazi....
@jjjooe3 жыл бұрын
The very first difference between those two is in their self-introduction: two different classes
@roboutehamilton6553 жыл бұрын
definitely
@LoxD1233 жыл бұрын
Adult wannabe vs adult
@hondap65773 жыл бұрын
That brings out another issue: Higher class citizens in HK had dominate the real knowledge of China, yet losers in HK had been brainwashed by Washington.
@jamesyu68753 жыл бұрын
@@hondap6577 weird though
@namelesssnitchy3 жыл бұрын
@@hondap6577 hahaha nice brainwashed by CCP. We all know CCP : 1 big lie
@liveiria3 жыл бұрын
It's really embarrassing watching the KK guy speak. He clearly paints the Chinese youth with a broad brush.
@invictus_valron58632 жыл бұрын
Yup. I'm getting cringe attacks every time he speaks
@ThichMauXanh3 жыл бұрын
KK = a Chinese at home, Keybros = a Chinese abroad. KK = denies and despises his Chinese identity. Keybros = criticize eastern and western values equally. Both = weird accent, altho KK struggles a bit more to sound like it.
@user-yw5wf6kz5t3 жыл бұрын
KK’s accent only exposes his inferior complex deep inside.
@MrCliverandy3 жыл бұрын
@@user-yw5wf6kz5t . He's very proud of his "racial supremacy" though. Even though everybody will laugh to death everytime someone bring this up. Lol.
@LoC28C3 жыл бұрын
I have to say truly there is a slight inferior complex in KK but he really lack critical thinking and is very protective of his thought or not open minded at all.
@audyw44113 жыл бұрын
kk is definitely forcing his accent
@cee_el3 жыл бұрын
There’s nothing wrong with a British accent which keybros has. KK is a mixed of British and cantonese
@hongyuwu29403 жыл бұрын
I hate that some Hong Kong youths have such pride and prejudice against people from mainland. Some of them have never been to mainland China but think they are more "civilized". This is ridiculous.
@titot23703 жыл бұрын
It appears that kk prefers to think of himself as a Brit and somehow better than other Chinese people. I guess his only option is to leave and continue with his anti China campaign overseas. I think he will change his mind in a few years after broadening his horizons.
@vegarden883 жыл бұрын
What I found contradictory from KK was that coming from a supposedly "free" society, he still holds many stereotypical views about mainlanders. What I find ironic is even in the media of supposedly progressive and open societies like the US or Western Europe, you still have one dimensional views of what things are like in Asia or in this case, China. Nevertheless, it's good that they agreed to talk to each other.
@aiorlin87223 жыл бұрын
The problem that no matter what people will see him as chinese... say to him to go to US and people will treat him as virus ....US goverment is like we will support u to be independent also if u came to US just prepare we treat u as virus 😂😂😂😂
@tankman200643 жыл бұрын
@@aiorlin8722 well you give up ur Singapore citizenship or malaysia citizenship and return ? 🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪
@chongdi61403 жыл бұрын
@@aiorlin8722 youngsters like KK who feels ashamed to be a Chinese for whatever reasons (here he cited the act of spitting!!) really have no self-respect/values and no appreciation of their proud ancestral roots. It certainly will do them good to get acquainted with the some history of China's civilisation.
@MrCliverandy3 жыл бұрын
@@tankman20064 . Yes, one might do so. For bilions of possible reasons. Nationality is something that you can actually chose, unlike race and gene. Well, you can and does mutate your gene on daily basis but not by choice.
@JH-mg8fe3 жыл бұрын
@@chongdi6140 I find it quite appalling that people from hong kong are ashamed to call themselves chinese. What they hate is the government, not China. To disregard your own identity like that just because of a few stereotypes of mainlanders is comical. Hong Kong may refuse to be part of the CCP but they are still part of China, therefore no matter what they say they are still Chinese people
@hectorar78903 жыл бұрын
Never mess with law students, they got their supportive arguments ready and they're open minded
@victorlanced7803 жыл бұрын
Hmmm
@WFCheng-cj6px3 жыл бұрын
Don’t mess with bar like Margaret Ng
@SFVYachtClub3 жыл бұрын
I hope someone who says such childish and asinine things without realizing it has nothing to do with the process of justice.
@TheThekoopalings3 жыл бұрын
“And they’re open minded” such a broad presumption that is false. Being a law student does not make a person more open minded.
@cazio80873 жыл бұрын
*Imagine taking this seriously and being offended*
@astrumsan6033 жыл бұрын
I don’t really like how they use blanket terms like “Chinese youths”. This leads on to parallel debates because there are huge differences between Chinese youths - you can’t have a reasonably debate on such foundation. It’s like asking “do American people nowadays believe in Trump” - which groups of American people are you talking about?
@user-ij6eb8mg4v3 жыл бұрын
He's just too stupid to figure it out
@fangwen92563 жыл бұрын
Great content flawed by the title and “Hong Kong vs Chinese” narrative. It’s very clear which side is more open.
@wongchloe96673 жыл бұрын
Keybros definitely outclasses KK. Keybros is more open-minded and offer solid perspectives.. Another guy is errrr..
@Andy-ik9ti3 жыл бұрын
Excatly, so in the end the pro-democracy is not so democracy after all. He dun seem interested in other's view.
@user-lw1lf8oy9p3 жыл бұрын
@@Andy-ik9ti from kk's point of view he truly believe that he know and understand better than keybros cuz he is so free.
@NightcorEDM3 жыл бұрын
He kinda has an insufferable attitude...?
@user-hr6tb9fh8k3 жыл бұрын
He just repeat what media says. Nothing is his.
@vegancrabcakes3 жыл бұрын
Keybros just repeats whataboutism and makes false comparisons.
@Wenxuemei3 жыл бұрын
When this 'Hongkonger' goes to the western country he would be called Chinese. Why bother denying himself?
@lyx1243 жыл бұрын
The boy eats too much banana
@eshaansarkar20173 жыл бұрын
racially he maybe Chinese, but he wants to be Hong konger as his nationality or national identity. And among the people who live in china everyone is not Chinese. There are Tibetans in Tibet, there are Uighurs in XinJiang . There are Koreans too in Korean autonomous province in China.
@mll55303 жыл бұрын
I suppose this KK is referring to the national identity as that of the United Kingdom - he prefers to live his Hong Konger life as a subject of a British colony (for just about 200 years); this is chief reason of him for refusing to consider himself asa Chinese in term of his nationality.
@eshaansarkar20173 жыл бұрын
@@signumxmagnum then what about Taiwan huh? They are also Chinese but now they have a different nationality. Same with Chinese people living in overseas chinatowns, according to nationality they are something else but racially and ethnically they are also Chinese. But Uighurs are not at all Chinese. The CCP a land mafia company have seized their land and inculcated it into China. Uighurs are not Chinese
@eshaansarkar20173 жыл бұрын
@@signumxmagnum tibetans are not Chinese, uighurs are not Chinese, inner mongolians are not Chinese and CCP is a land mafia. Period
@syzygy14923 жыл бұрын
When you have an open mind and broadened horizons through traveling the world you will lose your stubbornness and see that China is no longer the villain the westerns portrayed. Chinese people are educated, friendly and ethical citizens of society. We all just want a better life for ourselves and our future generations. We are not perfect but the people and it’s government are working to make the right improvements that we can be proud of. We are doing more for global sustainably, reducing pollutions, recycling and enriching the people and places in drastic ways. Don’t hate on China just because you are taught to dislike everything we do thinking we are still underneath you. We have been busy improving while you slept on past glory. Welcome to your rude awakening when the world is no longer your oyster.
@mode_seven2 жыл бұрын
You were doing so well until you couldn't help but let your vindictiveness get the better of you.
@canto_v122 жыл бұрын
@@mode_seven I give it a B+? Hahaha. The last two sentences were unnecessary and antagonistic but the rest of it is generally legit.
@barry88672 жыл бұрын
Well typical ccp strawman isnt it, who tf has ever said China/Chinese people are underneath the rest of the world. You see, I’m Chinese myself but I’m mostly with the so called “Western media”’s perspective on ccp’s human rights crimes and atrocities. Though they may have used the word “China” quite often to address the regime, anyone with a clear mind knows that they’re by no means referring to any aspects of the nation except for the dictator Pooh and his cronies ruling it, much less the people who are no less of victims of the regime than anyone else in the world. Sure, us Chinese people in general have higher academic achievement, but would the phd diploma be any more useful than a piece of paper if you have no critical thinking skills that help implement what you learned effectively in improving the current social systems On the contrary, those moguls who kowtow and pander to Xitler’s atrocious acts in return for business opportunities in China are truly anti-Chinese 所以到底誰才是賣國賊呢
@DemocracyIsBaal3 жыл бұрын
I highly encourage any "Hong Kongers" who do not think they are Chinese move OVERSEAS
@romzdegrees4373 жыл бұрын
not everyone has the money to move and start a new life, if anything its the CCP that should stop and actually uphold Hong Kong autonomy until 2047, like they agreed upon in 1997. you commie shrill.
@DemocracyIsBaal3 жыл бұрын
@@romzdegrees437 you don't have to like socialism, you don't have to stay either. Name calling doesn't solve your problem. Letting "Hong Kongers" move to the counties they want to go does. Immigration is easy, a lot of people do it with very little money. All they need is hard work and optimism.
@youngz13o3 жыл бұрын
KK: self hating Chinese; begging for guidance from western masters Keybros: modern day Chinese youth
@wf6453 жыл бұрын
Thats the age old western playbook of Divide and conquer
@junexmarsil12233 жыл бұрын
KK were future Juan Guiadog's
@dp22733 жыл бұрын
Keybros: educated in the west and naive about HK. KK: educated in HK and speaks for ordinary HKers.
@youngz13o3 жыл бұрын
@@dp2273 use the term correctly. Say it with me “self-hating Chinese” haha
@default25913 жыл бұрын
Can't blame them, should've blame the yanks
@thetreekeeper1433 жыл бұрын
kk has self hate issues. It is said that what you hate about another person is what you really hate about yourself.
@bennyindra26063 жыл бұрын
The UK student knew from his experience in London that he is Chinese, Asian and not a Hong Kong-er from the former colonies.
@bakersmileyface3 ай бұрын
For sure. I'm from the UK and Hong Kongers, we're fond of them and we welcome them. But culturally they are more Chinese than British. I understand them wanting to fight against the Chinese government in order to get something better and I'm not saying his opinion is wrong in that regard, but Britain isn't really what he thinks it is and he sounds kind of naive due to his lack of perspective.
@hilda.laura.amaral3 жыл бұрын
I’m so proud of Keybros 👏🏼 been following them since their channel was smaller & been a fan since then. They are so knowledgeable, open minded, respectful. Their insight and understanding of world politics is impressive and I have a huge respect for them. Keep up the good work 👏🏼 Regarding KK, I can’t stand his superior attitude. Lack of maturity, very narrow minded and stereotyping every Chinese 🤦🏻♀️ I would say it was embarrassing to hear some of the things he said. A lot of room to grow there...
@unusualsuspectsszzzz3 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Kk’s attitudes is similar to most of the people in Hong kong. They look down upon people from China and believe they stand higher than them since they were colonized by the British. these so called “freedom fighters” would also discriminate you to no end or even attack you physically if you write simplified Chinese or speak Mandarin. All closed minded people who lived in the wells for too long.
@ac82283 жыл бұрын
@@unusualsuspectsszzzz you forgot to mention they can even set you on fire for sharing different ideas, this is what they call democracy and free speech
@hondap65773 жыл бұрын
Average HKer cobsider themselves better than Mainlanders. The reality is the opposite.
@deadghoul13 жыл бұрын
@@unusualsuspectsszzzz agree with you totally, they are too narrow-minded, they beat up people with different views, damaged banks, shops and restaurants that support China during this protest in 2019
@huili30883 жыл бұрын
He's an entitled teen who can't even live on his own.
@entertainmentjoke28713 жыл бұрын
It shall be label as pro-rioters vs pro-nationalist debate.
@qi89833 жыл бұрын
Pro Beijing should be change to pro stability
@ritenz3043 жыл бұрын
Pro-Democacy should change to Pro-Washington
@mantapdjiwa97683 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣
@CyrusJanssen3 жыл бұрын
This was a great video! I'm a big supporter of Keybros and the work that they are doing. I also liked KK and was glad the two of them were able to sit down and have a chat. This is exactly what is needed in our world today! I've lived in both Shanghai and Hong Kong, both places are fantastic...focus on the similarities and build on that! Well done everyone involved in this video
@user-yp2vh1fd3t3 жыл бұрын
Cyrus you’re definitely correct!
@Ed-ss1uh3 жыл бұрын
@Esphaeras Praestanssomeone's been paying attention to current events.👍
@noahbrown21003 жыл бұрын
I wish China's action in Hong Kong matched your peaceful optimistic remarks. But they don't. We have to look at reality, not idealism.
@ubertian19493 жыл бұрын
@Esphaeras Praestans but wait where did u see CCP get involved in Myanmar affair? Apple Daily? Facebook??? Beijing had a good cooperation relationship with Aung San Suu Kyi for last five years, and even DW (so called anti-China media) said supporting military gov. does not correspond to China's interests. So I dont know why you can easily trust those fake news...
@ubertian19493 жыл бұрын
are u one of those myanmar citizens?
@MsStar2662 жыл бұрын
I live in Hong Kong and I can vouch that many of the Hong Kong youth have been brainwashed. The other day I heard my son’s friend say that US was the place he wanted to visit as was such a safe and clean place… ummmm.
@TK-my7jg2 жыл бұрын
but that's true, US is the safest and cleannest palce in the world ------- the HongKong media's world.
@sherryguysher70403 жыл бұрын
A dialogue between an adult and a cynical kid
@cjyzz1013 жыл бұрын
@JamManBolitics Your comment is enough to display your ignorance😂. That man only spoke out his opinions and you think he is a puppet. You are infringing on his freedom of speech already. When a person is disinclined to listen to people with different voices, himself is anti-democratic.
@cjyzz1013 жыл бұрын
@JamManBolitics Again, you are speaking what you think is right and regarding it as truth, rather than try to understand why Keybro thinks in that way. There is no fixed standards of correct or wrong. As far as I concern, Keybro didn't act arrogantly and respected his opponent while KK didn't. Also, judging all Chinese people based on the behaviour of minority and their government is the biggest mistake KK made in this video. You may dislike CCP but at least do it objectively. That's why I feel you are being to self-righteous and disagree with you at the first place. If you believe in democracy, respect everyone's opinion no matter how absurd it is, because you have your own judgement and won't follow unquestionably.
@subaruyagami23273 жыл бұрын
@@cjyzz101 goddamn, you really don't know the difference between democracy, free speech and rights.
@gpisethg3 жыл бұрын
@@cjyzz101 you are right, seem he look down on every mainland china no matter you are a good or bad person. these kind of youth or ppl are easy to manipulated by other interest party.
@harryloo85443 жыл бұрын
Kid on the left looks down on the mainland Chinese and had superiority complex over them
@LoxD1233 жыл бұрын
Ikr... twisted little brat
@shirokisasaki32333 жыл бұрын
right? they thought they are so much better than the mainlanders which is really preplexing
@vibecheck46233 жыл бұрын
Your a clown and a snowflake?
@vladimirlenin35623 жыл бұрын
@@vibecheck4623 wtf are you saying
@user-yw5wf6kz5t3 жыл бұрын
@@vibecheck4623 I know you are a clown though.
@andrewlim77513 жыл бұрын
KK:"It's hard for us to talk peacefully." And he is pro-democracy. 😂
@giorgioiamoni36063 жыл бұрын
As someone who has studied the foundations of Democracy, coming from the 2 greek words in the Athenian experiment "Demos" (people) "Kratos" (voice) (hence 'voice of the people'), it can be dificult to talk to those that disagree with you; it can even make you violent. That fact that he shows emotion and demonstrates it shows how important it is to him. These are the passionate people you need in Democracy if you are going to push for change. So there's nothing wrong here. if he said 'I don't think you should have an opinion' or 'I think the government I want to be in control should never be changed even if the people want it' were said, then your comedic reaction would be well recieved. I just don't think you've grasped the true nature of those participating in Democratic processes
@andrewlim77513 жыл бұрын
@@giorgioiamoni3606 If you really studied the original greek democracy, I presumed you did ....I'll be really surprised you still worship the thought, I would suggest you go back to read it 3 times and Hitler was democratically elected also. 😁
@andrewlim77513 жыл бұрын
@@giorgioiamoni3606 Ouyeah, I'm sure Hitler was very passionate looking at his speech. 😂😂😂
@giorgioiamoni36063 жыл бұрын
@@andrewlim7751 Fair statement; I see what you did there. You're trying to say that democracies run the risk of electing those that do 'wrong' by current ethical standards. Now for Germans in Weimar Germany they voted him in through an election of good faith as until 1939, he had been from a utilitarian perspective, 'beneficial'. Now the point stands the same. Even in North Korea which does have democratic elections (interesting right?) , Kim Jong Un is severely passionate. So I don't really get your reasoning? Passion is good - and so is not liking someone. KK never said that his opponent shouldn't have an opinion. He just dislikes someone. And also, a smiley face next to Hitler doesn't look well. Just saying mate
@andrewlim77513 жыл бұрын
@@giorgioiamoni3606 Dude, your points are all-over the place but definitive, setting these straight would help, no? 😁 1. Is it all right to carry your passion over law and order? 2. Does your passion seems to be more important than other's passion? 3. Why don't I see anyone condemning stoning to death of a person and setting fire on the other? Another fact, Hitler was a product of democracy, I'm still laughing. 😂
@ei65073 жыл бұрын
left: Pride and prejudice right: democracy
@urfrienddarren3 жыл бұрын
This so-called “Hong Konger” kid is too full of himself. ZERO chance.
@kagenlim52713 жыл бұрын
Lol no
@marjo3913 жыл бұрын
With so many Asian hatred attacks in the US i was wondering whether this hk youth is still thinking of leaving HK? He does not know how lucky you are now. A lot of my Asian friends and relatives are stuck in the US because of travel ban . They feel so unsafe living in the US. what democracy are they having?
@huili30883 жыл бұрын
Nope because as ironic as it sounds, they don't see those media reports
@pasterofmuppets6663 жыл бұрын
@Jat03 great point
@wyz98153 жыл бұрын
I fully support KK leaving HK for US, then he will learn what is true "democracy" and "freedom" is really like, and see how American see him, as Hongkonger, if these American can tell where HK is, or Chinese? Hope he will be save on American street and Asian Haters won't practice their "democracy" on him.
@rothschildjr46393 жыл бұрын
The title should be "ill-informed" & "well-informed" HK youths talk...lol
@sunhorn81973 жыл бұрын
Exactly hahaha
@craigdaurizio6863 жыл бұрын
No it shouldn't. You're clearly being hyperbole here.
@rothschildjr46393 жыл бұрын
Hmm...talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish.
@canto_v122 жыл бұрын
@@rothschildjr4639 story of my life since 2019, observing and commenting on the Hong Kong unrest. I’ve even gotten cyberbullied (not that it affects me) and a few thinly veiled threats from the protest movement.
@Lee-Van-Cle2 жыл бұрын
A simple-minded way of stigmatization: once a single Chinese spitting on floor was found, the whole China must be ignoble. Conversely: with clean and tidy appearance, the westerners must be noble, no matter how much blood of Native Americans, Africans…Afghans on their hands. That’s a successful execution of Anglo-Saxon policy: Divide and Rule.
@yuenlucia54542 жыл бұрын
if KK is only 18, he is actually born after Hong Kong handed over to China. He has never born or lived during colony time.
@lukeecle1173 жыл бұрын
You see KK, wow, HK is finished You see KeyBros, wow, there's still hope in HK
@xelkim96663 жыл бұрын
100% lols
@xelkim96663 жыл бұрын
@Esphaeras Praestans ok thanks for the comment byez😀
@armedcock3 жыл бұрын
@Esphaeras Praestans when you start rioting in HK, China will finish you when you beat olders in HK, China will finish you when you storming innocent's houses in HK, China will finish you This is not Iraq or Texas, push weapon in your wet dream : )
@canto_v122 жыл бұрын
As I always say. The optimists are the ones to fix things, not the pessimists.
@samwong53063 жыл бұрын
I'm a Malaysian Chinese and I am desperate to be a mainland Chinese. I am proud of my heritage.
@roroforo50923 жыл бұрын
right, if the CCP is so evil, then mainland Chinese are the one that suffer the most since they are under the control of the CCP. then why don't we show more love towards mainland Chinese? Imagine if the Hongkongers really fight for democracy, and not because they want to feel superior to the mainlanders. imagine how much support they will get from mainland Chinese. As an ethnic Chinese and minority in my country, I have faced discrimination since I was little just because of my ethnicity and my ancestors came from China. There's no way I will support a group of people that discriminate people just because of their place of birth, just because they were born in mainland China. especially our ancestors including Hongkongers ancestors also came from mainland China.
@samwong53063 жыл бұрын
@@roroforo5092 spoken like a true cultured Asian
@xelkim96663 жыл бұрын
Good for you and love you brother, 👍👍
@dukenukem3dgaming5993 жыл бұрын
lel cringe ccp spy balik tiongsan la
@user-ym2bb1jl2w3 жыл бұрын
I support you to immigrate to China. Communist supporters should stay in communist countries.
@santino11963 жыл бұрын
Although I am more on Keybro's side, I think the comment section is very unfair to KK. I think KK held it together and was very respectful. I mean let us admit KK’s social group are usually those SJWs who are angry about anything and if they were in the shoes of KK, I can think of them making faces and suchlike. Let us just appreciate CNA for this wonderful discussion. Thank you Keybros and KK for making it calm and respectful! 🙇🏻♂️
@bernardyong71373 жыл бұрын
Birds of the same feather flock together.
@twgarfield803 жыл бұрын
Why "Beijing" is an antonym of "Democracy"? The West is not the only democracy mode we should follow, Freedom is also not unlimited. Democracy is mentioned everywhere in China: 24字的社会主义核心价值观:富强、民主、文明、和谐是国家层面的价值要求,自由、平等、公正、法治是社会层面的价值要求,爱国、敬业、诚信、友善是公民层面的价值要求。
@bouwah853 жыл бұрын
Pro Beijing guy is more open minded compared to the other guy and not brainwashed
@dannylove75073 жыл бұрын
Not brainwashed but indeed a troll funded by the regime
@TY-ck1yd3 жыл бұрын
It's funded by the Mediacorp which is a Singaporean public broadcast service.
@simp22343 жыл бұрын
@@TY-ck1yd too political unfollow
@TY-ck1yd3 жыл бұрын
@@simp2234 hmm, have you ever followed?
@lf2abc1233 жыл бұрын
funny you talk all about brainwashing, yet the term is actually originated from CCP back in the Korea War era, do you know that? Let me tell you what is brainwashing: detaining millions of uyghurs in concentration camp and force them to praise the very government that suppressed them, that’s brainwashing. For a dictatorial regime who did a lot of shits and get exposed on the internet and consequently being despised by others, that’s not brainwashing
@Wolfgang7993 жыл бұрын
I have told my coworker when the Hong Kong riot just started, they destroyed democracy, here just proved it again. Democracy guy doesn't understand democracy is to make people live better not to detroy. In US UK colleges, full of Chinese students, it would be interesting if he has chance to study abroad and finds Chinese youth are far more better than him
@alfong82793 жыл бұрын
Very well said, Robin, thanks!
@karpohlum563 жыл бұрын
Lol couldn't help notice.... KK sounds more like a communist then Keybros...
@craigdaurizio6863 жыл бұрын
Hmm? How so? Can you provide an example?
@nachelle32823 жыл бұрын
genuinely curious to how one could sound "communist" ? not debating, just questioning.
@yangz18033 жыл бұрын
Tell you what, most pro democracy HKers aren’t real pro democracy. Yet most pro Beijing HKers aren’t actually pro Beijing but more like opportunistic. Hong Kong is a land lack of a sense of nation. HK people think themselves very global . However, the fact that Hong Kong has no tie with international politics makes Hong Kong people rather LOCAL.
@4grammaton3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting perspective. Can you tell me more about how "pro-democracy" HKers aren't really what they claim to be?
@yangz18033 жыл бұрын
@@4grammaton Discriminating against Mandarin speakers, killing innocent seniors, attacking people who disagree with them. This is no democratic. This is facism. Just because you are against a authoritarian regime, doesn't mean you yourself is democratic. Do you know what government the CCP beat? And do you know what government the government the CCP beat beat?
@4grammaton3 жыл бұрын
@@yangz1803 Thank you. Do you know where I can find documented evidence of those things being done by "pro-democracy" HK-ers?
@yangz18033 жыл бұрын
@@4grammaton you are welcome. Tons of videos for that in KZfaq.
@4grammaton3 жыл бұрын
@@yangz1803 Would you mind linking some? I'm really not familiar with the chinese language or social media scene. I'm also wary of people saying that something is happening, and then it turns out it's not entirely true (it happens a lot in the West on different sides of the political spectrum.)
@speedstriker3 жыл бұрын
I see a confident man and a self pitying bigot. You decide which is which.
@LamZL13 жыл бұрын
@Esphaeras Praestans LMAO 🤣
@patt50853 жыл бұрын
I support CCP because this guy in the clip talks confidently.
@ehjo49043 жыл бұрын
I see a maturity , study of law help a lot .
@tc76623 жыл бұрын
They think Mainland Chinese are 'brainwashed'. The only people who are brainwashed is them being brainwashed the democracy = human rights, when democracy is merely a way for the majority to get the minority to submit to their will. They actually don't care about human rights, and just want to maintain their own status quo, that, they see receding day by day.
@ehjo49043 жыл бұрын
@@tc7662 . We are all brainwashed, the only difference is that un mainland China the information is controlled by the Govt .
@boontecklee5923 жыл бұрын
From the perspective of a Malaysian citizen, who has free access to news and development in China, the Western world, and Hong Kong, I pitty KK's foolish believe in the greatness of Western style freedom and democracy. Has KK ever set foot in mainland China, and talk to the average Chinese person in the street there to understand what freedom and democracy they really needed and wanted? KK is indeed blinded to the many weaknesses of Western ideology, with its over jealosy and promotion of self-interest far above that of societal fairness, all in the name of freedom and democracy. The increasing failure of Western governments is a direct result of such expression, best represented by Oxfam's finding, "the wealth of the richest 1% equal to the other 99%". Western selfishness is never better highlighted by the Adam Smith Institute's head of research who said "What we should care about is the welfare of the poor, not the wealth of the rich", meaning one should create welfare for the poor from the remaining wealth of the poorer 99%, and let the richest 1% continue their wealth accumulation without concern! Is this freedom to amass more wealth by the wealthiest the freedom and system of governance we wanted? Is it not modern slavery in disguise? Western democracy insisted that ANYONE is qualified to govern, to treat the illness of their society, so long as he/she is supported by polular votes. I wonder how many Western person would use this same yardstick to select his medical doctor to treat his/her illness. Isn't it most critical that the medical doctor be learned and qualified through a series of verification tests? Why then is governing a country such a simplicity that anyone will do? Is this the democracy we wanted? So, KK, wake up from your dream. The Western idealogy of freedom and democracy is long due for major changes.
@namelesssnitchy3 жыл бұрын
Reading your comment. Hahahaha I must laugh. Malaysia what system is that?
@boontecklee5923 жыл бұрын
@@namelesssnitchy Malaysia practises a form of Democratic Constitutional Monarchy, derived, but different, from Britain's Westminster system. To some extend, it is a reflection of democracy in its very corrupted form.
@up33152 жыл бұрын
The West isn't perfect but it's better than living under a totalitarian, authoritarian, communist regime where citizens have no human rights, no right to freedom of speech, no right to protest, no voting rights, no privacy, no fair trials, a meager wage, social credit score, monitoring on who you associate with, restrictive online censorship, one-party political system, ongoing genocide that CCP sweeps under the carpet.
@alvenchong14433 жыл бұрын
Keybros is more like pro-truth than pro-Beijing. CNA, biased as always.
@TheValdy123 жыл бұрын
You gotta be kidding me, right. The reason why terms like "Pro-Beijing" and "Pro-Dem" were used is to at least have some sense of neutrality. Can you imagine if one was termed "Pro-truth" and the other, "Pro-falsehood"? Would you have taken part if you are termed as "pro-falsehood"? Biased as always? Seriously? Come on.
@cheongwenpa2 жыл бұрын
It is really sad to hear someone feeling ashame of their Chinese ethanicity. Me as a Singaporean ethanic Chinese, I feel extremely proud of what China as done to uplift themselves .
@whiteetoile84162 жыл бұрын
Yes. As a Malaysian Chinese, I identify as both Malaysian and Chinese. I’m literally a Han so how do i not call myself Chinese lmao. Hong konger and Taiwanese are really something else.
@CannibaLouiST2 жыл бұрын
That's becuz you don't live in Hongkong. Simple as that.
@BB-rq4dv3 жыл бұрын
Haha seems like the key Bros has more democracy, open minded and willing to live compromise with each others
@dunlop92923 жыл бұрын
Probably got to do with his HK & UK education upbringing. They should get a Chinese citizen to debate on the uniting of HK & China. Perhaps we will get a more better view. After all they are talking about uniting in nationality.
@vancefu60093 жыл бұрын
lol exactly hahaha
@feelmehish85063 жыл бұрын
like singaporeans.
@dunlop92923 жыл бұрын
@Sandy Wong I will. Where can I get a hold of that? To me if they keep fighting over who should belong to who is really a deadlock. To me if they can thrive as separate entities why not?
@malakatan32353 жыл бұрын
Democracy usually can't accept who different views than them
@engguanzhu30193 жыл бұрын
since when are hong kong people different from china culturally?
@cee_el3 жыл бұрын
Yeah that was a weird comment. Literally everything celebrated in HK is celebrated in China, specially in Guangdong
@TimWong-ww3gw3 жыл бұрын
How about the activities of memorial the 6.4?
@christinechew6603 жыл бұрын
Can you imagine leaving Hong Kong to be run by the likes of the pro democracy guy?
@peterwallis42883 жыл бұрын
Good thing he wasn't proposing to run it, was he?
@christinechew6603 жыл бұрын
Eventually HK will be run by those of his ilk, if they hv their way,wont it?
@peterwallis42883 жыл бұрын
@@christinechew660 not really. Who was running it before? Was his ilk running it a few years ago?
@peterwallis42883 жыл бұрын
@@christinechew660 I mean, this guy is not a politician, clearly. And I doubt he'd put himself forward for that role. But as a citizen, get should get a say in who runs the country. And now it seems that they can choose, but only from candidates Beijing has approved. That's not democracy. Even if you regard HK as a province. Our local government officials don't need to be approved by central government.
@kusajchannel81923 жыл бұрын
Am Chinese, support for keybros
@shenzhenresidentfor19yrs293 жыл бұрын
It is a mission impossible to change a teenager’s mind. Only time can help. Maybe in this guy’s 30s or 40s, when he travels more and experiences more, he will finally understand something essentially true.
@hansontan60253 жыл бұрын
he has yet to see how corrupt the people around him and the western medias... doing the dirty task for greedy governments for their own benefits and destroying millions of Asian lives in the name of human rights and democracy
@Kiyoone3 жыл бұрын
totally agree that this kid needs to learn what the rest of the world is.
@yys59193 жыл бұрын
Very true. More life experience will change their mind. I was also intrigued by western 'freedom and democracy' 10 years ago but gradually changed my mind after seeing what has been really happening under the name of democracy. Now I am really disgusted by western propaganda.
@teckchuonting45823 жыл бұрын
This KK will not change till he moves to America, and the knee of Derek Chauvin is on his neck, and he pleaded "I can't breathe"
@95ellington3 жыл бұрын
@Lucas no, but experience does, it just time time. I was a hot head teenager wanting freedom and democracy as well in 1997. After arriving in the West and experienced it first hand for 25 years. I realized, it was ultimatly just another form of government.
@meetan773 жыл бұрын
Hope we have more open minded youths like Keybros in HK.
@sunhorn81973 жыл бұрын
The reality I can tell is HK is full of silly kids like the kk who think they are smart... they'll do multiple trips to Japan and never would wanted to step on mainland, so you can tell how narrow minded they are. It's a complete waste of time talking to these kids.
@Jun-pj2pq3 жыл бұрын
@JamManBolitics look at yourself. You sound like an extremist dude.
@qaw61023 жыл бұрын
The word “pro-democracy” should be changed to “pro-Hong Kong independence” here.
@alexandercarroll97073 жыл бұрын
That is literally pro democracy. The CCP is disgusting
@BC-xj1yn3 жыл бұрын
@@alexandercarroll9707 No pro-independence ain't the same as pro-democracy. According to a poll done by Reuters only 20% of people in Hong Kong want independence last year, the rest which is the vast majority of Hong Kongers don't support independence at all, so if you believe in democracy like I do then we should respect that
@ZainabProductions3 жыл бұрын
@@alexandercarroll9707 what’s disgusting is these HK protesters begging for their colonisers to come back
@alexandercarroll97073 жыл бұрын
@@ZainabProductions the British were colonizers 200 years ago. Now China is a colonial empire, and Britain respects basic human rights.
@alexandercarroll97073 жыл бұрын
@@BC-xj1yn I’ll have to look into the Reuters study, but voting to end democracy is paradoxical.
@willo79793 жыл бұрын
There are three ways to make a change: 1. Accept the fact that Hong Kong is returning as Chinese 2. Go into politics as politician to make change legislatively 3. Move elsewhere
@user-yw5wf6kz5t3 жыл бұрын
KK is not cut for any of these three ways🤣
@mrw0ong163 жыл бұрын
Yeah, no. Those "ways" will not work. The 1st way isnt realistic because many HKers appreciate the freedom they have/had before china took over and many also feel resentment against the CCP. 2nd way wont work because the CCP wont allow it because they like to be in controll. The 3rd way wont work because HK is in a total lockdown, many of them are also not financially able even if it was not in a lockdown. So these "ways" are simply not realistic.
@user-yw5wf6kz5t3 жыл бұрын
@@mrw0ong16 Frankly I don’t think you get his points. He is not really providing options here.