I gettit ;-)

Thanks Rob! Really appreciate that! Yes! It's going to be a couple of weeks or so but the next video I've got lined up is a deep dive into the Pro5 and it's features; stay tuned!

Look forward to it mate! Really want a pair myself. Currently got e thirteen race hubs which came on my Yt. Not sure I’m a fan of the carbon rims so looking back towards hope

It is! I'd been wondering what - if anything - Hope would move onto next for their hubs and they haven't disappointed in any way!

I'm an @OnyxRacingProducts man myself ;-)

It's very swarmy yeah! Turtles ARE good! Kinda related chubblenauts of other kinds...

You know's it!

A proper video for another time @Gabrielfong but - in short - I think Bitex are excellent compared to hub sets such as the Pro4 or 350 that come with at least another £100 price tag. GRANTED you're not getting the premium anodised finish, made in the UK, goodness of Hope's offerings (and the Pro5 is a HUGE upgrade), but you ARE getting a super reliable hub that spins around high quality bearings and - in the case of Bitex boost hubs - save a fair bit of weight too. (Caveat being that for rough riders I have to suggest Hope is a better option). DT350's are super durable; more so than Bitex's offerings simply due to two factors: -Much stiffer axles by comparison -the ratchet freehub design remains exceptionally sturdy. BUT...(there's always a but!) I've sold thousands of Bitex hubs with no higher a 'problem rate' (which is low) versus Hope or DT...so I very much view them as a 'wheel builders choice' option when wanting to offer competitively priced handbuilt hoops :-).

Hope have got all their hub dimensions up on the 'Tech' / support section of their website and DT publish their (accurate; see my video on the subject) ERD on the rims and online go check it out! Being able to calculate (and measure) your own components and spoke length is a vital skill to those building wheels so always double check and perform your own calc's. My go to Spocalc is Wheelpro by Roger Musson.

@D10010101 And a good question for sure! I'd say no...but with a caveat. At the high end, and when used appropriately I think it's REALLY hard to find a bum product when it comes to hub's these day. SOME are super finicky and need a lot of care IMO...but unless used outside of their intended use you're QUITE RIGHT that high end hubs could be said to be universally excellent. BUT...they're not homogenised to my view. First and foremost I think there's price point (per pair): £(Cheap hubs to be discussed another day...) £115-210 ish: Quality OEM hubs like Bitex Circa £300: HOPE or DT Swiss 350's. Circa £450-550: Any others not mentioned here. Honourable mentions DT 240's, White Industries, Industry Nine, Tune. (Bracket option @£650: Royce Hubs) Circa £850: Onyx, Chris King, DT180's £Truly Stupid Money: Gokiso. And OUTSIDE of those price points it's then down to which features you're looking for or that most excite you. Do you want: -Ultra lightweight hubs? -Super Durable hubs with a ratchet mechanism? -Hubs that are perfectly quiet? -Super high POE? -Dorkily high machining tolerances and made in house bearings? -Supporting a local manufacturer -Specific colour options? -Jewel like or custom finishes? -Specialists in SS or Fixed gear? And the list could go on...! SO! I Don't think that people are choosing between *brands* based on the sound when freewheeling...and whilst all hubs are great quality at certain levels, there ARE those riders who specifically like a loud or a quiet hub and seek out hubs that aren't going to offend their sensibilities! Hope that helps chap!

@@RyanBuildsWheels Yes, very informative.

In terms of the freehub itself not that I know no; Steel/E-Bike designation switches out to 6 evenly spaced pawls to give that 54 whilst the alloy has two sets of three at a half pitch to each other for 108. I'm pretty sure a 2x3 steel isn't an option but will look into this to confirm.

Fine hubs :-)

Glad you like it!

The Pro5 actually uses a thinner oil rather than grease in this case but you could go thinner yet again or run it drier *should you so wish* but let's just say it wouldn't be advised ;-).

It is also quieter because at all time it has 3 (out of 6) pawls making contact, the hope 4 has 4 out of 4 at all times. And the hope 5 has way more engagement points because 3 make contact in between the other 3. Someone correct me if I am wrong :)

@@adrianTNT ah yeah right, so basically that would mean there's more clicks but less "loudness" maybe

It's more 'buzzy'

It is probably just new...after a couple of rides it would be louder I think...I just saw another video ans it seems to be louder than my pro4 which also took a couple of rides to sound like this. I think it sound more like a i9 torch which I used to love so much. Now I have a hydra and sound like bees which I dont like as much. Dont ride it dry but you can put oil or in our dtswiss we put some pl100... the guy said it is already kind of oil but yeah..

It works perfectly yes; more pawls engaged (4 vs 2): means sturdier internals (and more noise!) Well done on L->P!

@@RyanBuildsWheels it sounds wicked, Pro4 xd drive on them now for my gravel bike, roll-on July L2P and riding the final 30km of the tour

And when that happens make sure to go for the steel 'e-bike' option; 6 pawls engaged at one time rather than two groups of three :-).

One day! The RS4 is still an excellent piece of kit though; you've got a GREAT hub!

"Always has been" as the popular meme goes ;-).

What do you mean by 'what have I used with it'? Do you mean rim, spokes, etc?

@@RyanBuildsWheels sorry, i meant the freewheel and if u changed something on the hub?

@@teabagNBG No modifications; the hub is 'vanilla' ;-).

It will do yes, as the pawls are setup that it will give half the POE so expect a more... 'solid' sound? I'll try adding a comparison here when I get one in!

It is even lower than the Pro 4. I own a set of each (4 & 5) and the Pro 4 was my favorite hub for single speeding. Rolls so well and carries momentum nicely. The Pro 5 seems to roll better/longer and the engagement is bumped up just enough to be noticeable, but not infringe upon the low drag of the hub body. Super easy to service right at home with normal tools so that is also a huge plus for me. Sound doesn’t enter the equation for me, although the Pro 5 is quieter and higher pitched buzz vs Pro 4 loud, solid “clicking”. As with most any hub, run oil for louder, grease to hush it some.

@Casladek; as per Jeremy above!

Absolutely! It's got many additional features and upgrades; see my video 'New Hope Pro5 Released' for some brief details! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/d5-FnJt1zb-6qWw.html&lc=Ugx6wgEAsZLLKcbgxZh4AaABAg The Pro5 is an excellent hub.

Could be they've got a bit more grease / lubricant than needed; give the freehub pawl / ratchet area a clean out (could also be caked with mud if you ride loads!) and re-lube; HopeTech have guidelines for the sort of lube you'll want to use but generally speaking the lighter you go the noisier your hubs ;-).

​@@RyanBuildsWheels They are brand new. Going to drop bike out mates bike shop for a service. So he will check hub. Seen vids on UTube where they modify the springs to make them louder. He modified/bent the springs. Not much difference. My I 9 Hydras are way louder.

The Pro5 get's pretty noisy due to extra pawl's but - tbh - I think the Pro4 was louder.

@@RyanBuildsWheels cheers but not great if the 4 is louder 🙄

If you're OK with cup and cone hubs then and Shimano's freehub setup then yes; but this of course means you're stuck with either HG or MS as your only options and don't get the benefit of sealed bearings. Onyx or Tairin are the 'quietest' in that they're silent but both at a cost; they come into what I'd call the 'High End' category ;-)

Loud hubs save lives! With a loud hub your not gonna accidentally sneak up on an unsuspecting bear on a windy day. Been there done that don't care to repeat that one.

See the discussion started by @emildellert3202 (4 months ago), above for more on this subject!

@@RyanBuildsWheels thanks for the reply..good to know.

A bit aye

LOL! It's night and day I assure you ;-)!

Fair enough; you can simply opt for the 54pt Steel 'e-bike' ready version if you want ;)

I definitely prefer the EX511 as a rim and - depending on rider weight and riding style you're likely able to get away with the XM481 instead TBH :-). I use Bitex hubs all the time and have a blog on them here (www.ryanbuildswheels.co.uk/in-depth-bitex-bicycle-hubs/) ; I think they're great! That said Hope's hubs are also excellent and won't let you down; my most used brand of hub outside of Bitex.

Thankyou for the reply mate. Very helpful

You can always try degreasing and using a light oil.

Yes, that's a good shout. I'm wondering if the Rimpact insert I have fitted deadens the sound somewhat?

You’re disappointed with proven quality, easy servicing, available parts for rebuild, usable engagement, free-rolling, awesome looking hubs Because of one aspect that doesn’t help your riding AT ALL? (sound) Sounds crazy to me, but to each his own and if sound personally makes you a better biker then, by all means…

Good for you bud, a well thought out and neatly presented / typed arguement; just what the internet needs ;-). Serious point though; you do you and if the Pro4 makes you happy all the power to you!