Hornby Brush Type 4, Class 47, R.060 : Donation Overhaul

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Robert, who sent me the Bachmann A4 "Union of South Africa" very kindly donated this old Hornby Class 47 to me.
A big thanks to Robert.
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@johnwalker9750 Жыл бұрын

Ah, so that's what it's called - "stoppy, startyitis"! Brilliant.

@playpaulbee Жыл бұрын

Not called the wiremans nightmare for nothing! I'd still like one, quite a beast

@MichaelTapp-ry1ly 2 ай бұрын

I have one of these. To tidy the wiring I have used a connecting block in the chassis base.

@charlie1872 Жыл бұрын

Looks and runs great

@michaelwolak3098 Жыл бұрын

Great video

@petersmith4455 Жыл бұрын

hi Bill, great video as usual, i remember when these locos came out in the silver seal range

@medwaymodelrailway7129 Жыл бұрын

Very good video Bill you put together liked and shared thanks DD.

@TheCrazyhorse1876 Жыл бұрын

Brilliant work Bill , that's how I got it but hadn't a clue and only gave it a test run. Enjoy !

@andrewpalm2103 Жыл бұрын

NIce job of trouble shooting, Bill, especially that last bit with the traction tires. Perhaps the reason it was reverse wired when you got it was that it ran better in reverse. As usual, thanks for sharing your knowledge and repair work. Cheers from Wisconsin!

@uries15 Жыл бұрын

This is really interesting and you and Barrie have given me an idea. The price of new model railway stuff these days has put me right off as I just don't have that kind of money. So why don't I go and 'rebuy' some of the stuff I that gave me so much pleasure 40 years ago? It's a fraction of the price of today's stuff and as I'm not into DCC or anything like that it's more than good enough for me, and obviously very serviceable. Hmmm. I wonder...

@oobill Жыл бұрын

Sounds like a plan. And something a lot of us are having fun with. Loads of used locos on ebay etc but you really have to learn how to fix them. The older stuff is maybe cheap but will almost certainly need work to run nicely. That's all part of the fun though.

@darrenrogers7891 Жыл бұрын

Another great repair job and video. The resistors you speak about are diodes though. Look forward to seeing you next time

@timgray3491 Жыл бұрын

Thanks Bill another great video, I did chuckle at your comments about the cheap circlip pliers, seem to remember being told as an apprentice a good engineer never blames his equipment, that was a long time ago and there are some cheap rubbish tools about today. Nice colour scheme that green, looks better than the blue imo.

@andrewrice6596 Жыл бұрын

Lovely looking loco Bill.

@peternorris6438 Жыл бұрын

Another good video am on the for an old class 47

@PeterJewell2 Жыл бұрын

Ahh, Bill, always know that there's a gotcha to come when the servicing is 'finished' half way through the video! Pleased I called it right with the directional lighting problem when you suggested your initial wire swap. Next time I work on one of these, I'll try and remember the non-intuitive assembly order, and the traction tyre issue. Thank you for those tips. If you haven't had enough of fixing these Silver Seal 47s, and would like another challenge, I have one where the plastic bogie mounts have broken off (and gone -- before I got it) so the motor bogie doesn't stay in place. Spares are not an option (it's a weak point in the design) and I'm still to work out a solution. But now I need to progress my 47 up the repair queue and get on with it. No matter how many times I watch your great videos, my locos aren't going to mend themselves!!

@paulnewnes1921 Жыл бұрын

I agree about the "silver sesl" motor Bill it is bulletproof for reliability & longevity, but generally peaking a bit on the noisy side. Some complex wiring going on there for a simple loco

@nicholasbishop3300 Жыл бұрын

Nice job Bill Nick

@russellbenton2987 Жыл бұрын

Squishable . Like it , but I know what you mean. It’s a handsome loco . Always wanted one when the came out in 75 but they were sold out at Argyll Models ! Eventually got one second hand in the eighties . Still a favourite

@ausfoodgarden Жыл бұрын

I was yellng at you about the running lights, but you mustn't have heard me.😀 That wiring was a bit of a shambles for sure. Nice job on getting it running nicely.

@davidmoorby333 Жыл бұрын

Hi Bill i have 2 of these locomotives and both have a big wate in the middle of the locomotive that helps with traction

@chrissouthgate4554 Жыл бұрын

Bill, I know nothing of this class of engine. However, at the start of the video you have the Fans / Silver vents in the direction of travel. Or away from the shed. At the end of the video the Fans / silver vents are away from the direction of travel, towards the shed end of the siding. Would this have anything to do with the engine running backwards?

@DaiElsan Жыл бұрын

Bill, your resistors are diodes. Could hou not fit extra pickups on the other bogie?

@paulgammidge-jefferson9536 Жыл бұрын

Love watching your channel. Have you thought about Soldering blade/spade connectors on the motor? It might make servicing easier in the future and avoid the use of the iron.

@johnstephens649 Жыл бұрын

Interesting Bill and have one of these old girls and certainly has that very solid feel similar to original Hornby Dublo locos. Reliable but always been a bit temperamental as a runner. Maybe by removing the traction tyres you have found the answer!?

@alfiewenn9440 Жыл бұрын

have 2 but fitted the later 47 chassis and motor cost under £25 from lendons with both bogies so they would run on code 75 track

@charlie1872 Жыл бұрын

Hi Bill, I have one of these. The motor bogie is broken, missing some wheels and a couple of other bits. I have written to Lendons but they have delay with responses due to illness. Great motor. Hoping to learn from this.

@PeterJewell2 Жыл бұрын

I have two with broken motor bogie frames, both at the top where the bogie is held into the frame. The problem is partly that the plastic is very old, and very hard. (And, as Bill has just proved, it also needs to assembled in a non-intuitive way. Useful to see that!) Spares just do not exist. I've been in two minds as to whether to persevere with them!

@robertgates7686 Жыл бұрын

Enjoyed the video. To correct the lighting direction running problem you could have unsoldered and reversed both diodes.

@little_britain Жыл бұрын

I am going to enter "stoppy-starty-itis" into my vocabulary for loco diagnosis.

@mikep4821 Жыл бұрын

And jiggery-faffery 😅

@robinforrest7680 Жыл бұрын

So D1738 got tired of sitting in its box in my cellar waiting for a new railway to run on and decided to head off in its own😂. All the way to Scotland too! These are still good locos even if they are old. Enjoy it 👍. Wil you send her back to me when my new layout’s built? 😉 PS shouldn’t the lights be connected to a diode rather than a resistor to control direction ?

@charlie1872 Жыл бұрын

Mine is missing one spring,clip and brush

@paulrb894 Жыл бұрын

Good interesting videos Can you say in one video :. " There's been a Murder". 😃

@tombeck6335 11 ай бұрын

Just had one to service, and I couldn't agree with you more, terrible to work on.

@johngibson4641 Жыл бұрын

Hi Bill ,, Where do you get the service sheets for these one's ? Good job on getting that one going. I have a loco with the same head code as this but it has D1670 And it has MAMMOTH on it and the only other difference i can see in it from yours are the vents and fan covers are silver on top. Oh & my one has the ringfield motor in it which was a really slow and jittery but it had some life in it when i got it so I give it a good clean and oiling and goes pretty good now. I just looked on the bottom and its a hornby made in Great Britain haha (it pays to look somtimes hey) Cheers from John in Australia

@flmabhwd Жыл бұрын

Hello John Lendons of Cardiff have a very comprehensive list of service sheets for download: www.lendonsmodelshop.co.uk/?button=button2&servicesheets=none I hope this helps Kind regards Simon

@stevehewitt4190 Жыл бұрын

Well done Bill another challenging resurrected class 47. I just wonder how many people would have ripped the locomotive to bits again rather than remove two traction tires? And, considering the light loads put on the engine on your lay-out does it realy matter that two tites have been removed?

@oobill Жыл бұрын

Most locos only have two traction tyres anyway so traction is still ok.

@charlie1872 Жыл бұрын

My bogie frame is missing one complete dude

@charlie1872 Жыл бұрын

On Barrie’s I think he had flangeless wheels in the middle

@oobill Жыл бұрын

So does this one

@faxer-yv5wu 8 ай бұрын

I really enjoy your videos do you ever work on north american engines or just U K stuff

@oobill 7 ай бұрын

I work on anything that is made available to me in the UK. Yet to do an American loco but it'll come up at some point I'm sure.

@robindow5742 Жыл бұрын

Hii bill love your videos can i suest as you use dc why not fit ths loco wth a stay alive caacitor just usin a diode brdge and a capacitor as t seems to me tha the pckups are not sufficient whe passing the points and there is plenty of room in the bodyshel

@oobill Жыл бұрын

Is there such a thing for DC?

@robindow5742 Жыл бұрын

@@oobill hi yes if you look up johns amazing trains h shows how to do it its only an h bridge diodechip and a capacitor thin yo can get on ebay easily 16 vott 1000 uf cap should be fne it just stores enough for loco to run through points and x crossings the same circuit is used to keep led lights on and flcker free in carriages

@oobill Жыл бұрын

@@robindow5742 I've seen his video on flicker free LED but not anything on analogue stay alive. Lighting and motors are two very different things. If you can point me to a working Stay Alive for DC I'd be all over it. But I've yet to see one

@robindow5742 Жыл бұрын

@@oobill i will make one up and test it the h brige is only to protect the polarity when you change thepower to reversueas electrolytic capacitors are polarty sensitve its the uf value thar supplys the power for the motor the higher the uf the loner the motor should run

@PeterJewell2 Жыл бұрын

@@robindow5742 - Just watched John's interesting video on converting a Hornby HST to flicker-free LED (kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rJ-qpJhy3pu5kWQ.html ). I have seen this discussed elsewhere, and I think the conclusion was that stay-alive for DC cannot work. John's circuit provides the same polarity to the capacitor/LED regardless of whether the loco is going forwards or backwards -- that's what the bridge rectifier is doing: two diodes pass the current to the capacitor in one direction, a different pair do the same in the other direction. The LED is effectively no longer directional, it is always on. You could theoretically connect this circuit to a locomotive motor, but it would only ever go in one direction! The second problem is physics. The LEDs are drawing no more than 10-20mA. A (modern) motor will draw 200-300mA or more, and an old one with a weak magnet might be approaching a whole amp! Therefore, you would need a capacitor at least 20 times the capacity to get anywhere near. (I have a vague recollection of someone mentioning that the back EMF from the motor could also destroy the capacitor.) I'm showing my lack of knowledge here, I know, but bottom line is: I don't think it can be done on DC, or we'd be doing it!

@rhiwderinraytube Жыл бұрын

Perhaps the traction tyres were the incorrect thickness - I think they vary…..

@oobill Жыл бұрын

They do. All the more reason that this configuration is a daft idea.

@Mike-kc8rl Жыл бұрын

One of Hornbys' worst models? They changed that motor bogie after only a year, I believe ? The second version was a little better but not much! The third version came out with new plastic bogies with much simplified wiring and was OK? This class 47 has never been much from Hornby in any version, and thankfully, Lima gave us a really good class 47 before Heljan which again was crap . It was amazing how Hornby kept pedalling this version out and ironically, they bought the Lima tooling and gave that one ago?