Horse Training - What Age To Start A Horse Under Saddle?

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@ltrocha Жыл бұрын

I highly recommend you study my horse training videos titled, "Foundation Training Package". You'll see how to start & train every kind of colt. Even a wild one: online.horsetrainingvideos.com/foundation-package/

@texasghostrider9644 Жыл бұрын

What part of the West you live in??

@ltrocha Жыл бұрын

@@texasghostrider9644 California

@johntrischman3969 Жыл бұрын

Thanks Larry, well said as always. I find throwing a saddle on as yearlings and lots of groundwork prior to ever stepping foot on colt learns to give off pressure so they already know a lot of things before actually riding them. Never hurts to start extra early with ground work. Big benifits to raising your own or buying weanlings.

@serafinatruth4029 Жыл бұрын

In Spain we start horses at 3 years old and that will do too. And just as this trainer says it is max. 30 minutes walk & trot and very gentle.

@paulparker3259 Жыл бұрын

What a great explanation on starting a young horse, Also before riding and starting one the knees should be closed and they usually the don?t close till their at least 2 year old and maybe a little bit later at least that"s what I"ve witnessed with thoroughbred race horses. Thanks again Larry

@ac12201 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for all the great information you provide.

@ltrocha Жыл бұрын

You are very welcome

@bobd8553 Жыл бұрын

Great explanation and presentation as usual. Thanks

@ltrocha Жыл бұрын

You are welcome, Bob. Glad you like it.

@sunnyruth8575 Жыл бұрын

I really like the way you explained about starting young horses. People really have their ideas crossed if they can't get their ideas straight listing to you EXSPLAIN they never will

@Placard1203 Жыл бұрын

So back to being serious about training 🙃. I'm doing a refresher on a cutting horse mare that was broke when she was 2 rode for a while and then put out to pasture as a brood mare for the next 8 years. She just had a colt taken off her when I bought her. She hasn't forgotten being rode which is good. You can throw a rope on her and around her legs, saddle her, mount off side. She has a low head set, (2 side by side hair swirls on her upper forehead). I'm told that means she may be more intelligent me...no pressure lol! But you know I'm starting all over like she was never rode just to find out what she has retained and if she's willing. No don't want to breed her, just want to put her back to work. So thanks for your training videos it helping me with the refresher on her. I also noticed that there are quite a few out there that break the fillies at 2 ride till 3 and then breed them.

@ltrocha Жыл бұрын

If she's a good horse, it'll probably be fine. Good luck

@DARKhorses73 Жыл бұрын

Love this video .

@hiphorse14 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for explaning, i never understand why start on 2 year old. Here in the netherlands people begin on 3/4 year old.

@fernandorodriquez Жыл бұрын

Thanks Larry your tips help me a looot with my colts

@ltrocha Жыл бұрын

You are welcome, Fernando.

@rayocaballo6122 Жыл бұрын

Real sound advice from a real horseman

@horsymandias-ur Ай бұрын

I love Morgans, and am totally with you that the breed is being taken in a direction that compromises their versatility.

@Thatoneweirdo24 Жыл бұрын

My little baby Angie is 8, he came from a neglect/abuse case. I’m trying to train him he’s pretty shy about the saddle still. Riding bareback is fine. This was an interesting video thank you

@jimbo91262 Жыл бұрын

Agreed! I went to a Morgan show about 10 years ago in Michigan and thought I had arrived at a Saddlebred show. Was somewhat shocked cuz I saw nary a Justin Morgan.

@mr.miaumiau2892 Жыл бұрын

As an average use, we start the quarter horse at two years old, here in this región of México, ( I am in the northeast, 400 km from the bordear With Texas, so the Colts are mostly texan-blooded),... I wonder if our si e as people have something to do With this, I am 1:75 mts high, 75kilos weight, an almost común person for this región,.. You people are higher and way heavier than us,... We start them as soon as we see the knees are strong enough, greetings boss

@mr.miaumiau2892 Жыл бұрын

SIZE AS PEOPLE, I tried to say, sorry

@suearata9166 Жыл бұрын

I live in Montana! I wish there was something to help me with a problem my two yr old colt has now! I forgot to unbuckle the back cinch first and he got scared and took off and now he’s afraid of the saddle! So I am starting with bareback pad and cinching up and he’s fine! I will saddle again but I am giving him time! It’s frustrating!!!

@ddunning6207 Жыл бұрын

It's frustrating, but you are the one that created the problem. So suck it up and be patient. It's not the horses fault. They have to forgive us for so many things. You should forgive your horse and use patients.

@suearata9166 Жыл бұрын

@@ddunning6207 I never said it was his fault! It’s my fault for forgetting to unbuckle the back cinch first!He is a wonderful quiet colt, had him since 6 months old and paid lots for him! I am saying I have to start over! It is frustrating, and it could happen to anyone! Forgive him? Forgive him for what? He got scared, so he did what horses do, it’s not like I can sit him down and say don’t be afraid no worries! Yes it’s called PATIENCE, I have it, I have been working with him since I have had him! I am sure it’s happened to some others, not just me!

@tonimindnich1296 Жыл бұрын

Totally agree with you 👍🏼

@ltrocha Жыл бұрын

Thanks Toni. I appreciate your feedback.

@karinrice1805 Жыл бұрын

I think 2 yr Olds should only be started and ridden by someone who weighs less than 200 lbs. Especially if they are small horses like our cutters. Most of my cutters mature at 14.2 or 14.3 H and 1000 lbs, so by the time they are 2 yrs old they're only barely 14 H and maybe 850 lbs. Put a 40 lb saddle and a 200 lb man on them and that's nearly 1/3 of their weight they have to carry. I only weigh 150, so we keep our sessions short...15 to 20 min, for about 3 months then gradually increase time ridden as they mature and can handle the weight.

@ltrocha Жыл бұрын

I totally agree with you. However, I can point out many examples where the weight didn't seem to matter. Go figure!

@davidrauh5646 Жыл бұрын

I bought a broke to ride 4 yr old Hancock mare that had spent more time lazing in the pasture than working and she was quite happy with that arrangement. After several years of working with her you could finally ride her and not have your legs so tired that you dreaded doing it again the next day. She was a pretty good head horse when I sold her but not one you could take to the big shows. She had the speed but not the want to. I always told people she was like my palomino who just really wants you to be happy with her. She (the Hancock) wanted you to be happy with her but if you weren't she figured you should get over yourself and feed her. 😁😁😁

@lisamorrison6274 Жыл бұрын

Larry, thank you for your continued patience with people. (I just finished reading all of the above comments and reply’s to this video.). Your perseverance with us has greatly benefited horses everywhere. I hope you are aware of the learning pattern named “The Dunning Kruger” effect. Maybe knowing this pattern has an actual name and that it is normal to see it CONTINUOUSLY as you work with us would be a help. Thankfully horses do not struggle with this “cognitive bias “…..as Wikipedia calls it. I learned about this “effect” in a KZfaq video with Jordan Peterson speaking on the subject .

@ltrocha Жыл бұрын

Hi Lisa, I find it interesting you're actually aware of the “The Dunning Kruger” effect upon the horse world. In reality, the vast MAJORITY of horse enthusiasts are EXTREMELY effected by it. Witnessing it truly amazes me at times.

@ltrocha Жыл бұрын

By the way, “The Dunning Kruger” effect is the main cause of 70,000 to 80,000 people who go to the hospital emergence room each year. Published annually by the American Horse Council in Washington D.C.

@lisamorrison6274 Жыл бұрын

@@ltrocha Oh my goodness!

@irisgadermaier5313 Жыл бұрын

I live in Austria, Europe. Nobody starts horses under three here. I usually start between 3,5 and 5 years old. Never had a Problem at all. The oldest horse I started was 21. It became a great kids schooling horse.

@aktanakhmetov Жыл бұрын

Do they do any groundwork before 3? Or only handling a horse in a halter? I mean do horses learn about bits, head stalls, surcingles, girths and saddle without being ridden between the age of 2 and 3/4?

@irisgadermaier5313 Жыл бұрын

@@aktanakhmetov It depends. Some do, some don´t. But groundwork with a young horse usually is haltering, giving feet, going on a walk, giving to pressure..... Generally no saddles and bits until 3. A lot of poeple start young horses without bits here. Like with rope halters, sidepulls, dually halters. Where I started riding, they had icelandic horses that would be out on huge pastures until 5 years old. Like no handling at all. Personally I love groundwork and I do a lot starting from a young age.

@ace5281 Жыл бұрын

Hi Larry. I always enjoy watching your videos your training tips are great. I have just received a new project horse, she is a 16 year old barrel horse, the goal with her is to restart her on the basics and get her real soft to be a ranch horse. The issue im having with her is when asked for a small amount of collection in her head she tightens her jaw and immediately starts fighting the bit which then leads to rearing. Barrels seem to have brought her a lot of stress and she is having a really hard time slowing down and coming into the bit. As of now she is 7 months off the barrel pattern and will not be returning to barrels however she isnt settling or softening as much as id like. Any advice? Thanks in advance!

@ltrocha Жыл бұрын

The problem is too complex to explain in text. Get this training course: online.horsetrainingvideos.com/lope-slow-with-control/

@ace5281 Жыл бұрын

@@ltrocha thank you will check that out

@brianramsey3824 7 ай бұрын

I value your experience i wonder if in addition to older horses take more time...the details they didnt tell u was the last 5-6 guys tried breaking the older ones before u.

@123sette Жыл бұрын

I don't say that what you explain is completely wrong, but still : how do you explain how good a lot of these wild mustangs of all ages can be ridden in 100 days?

@ltrocha Жыл бұрын

In those mustang competitions, (BTW, most aren't Mustangs. They are simply feral hoses) have you ever noticed their level of weight? How many hours or times a day do you think they are being worked to compete in that event?

@ddunning6207 Жыл бұрын

On average I start at two. They are so easy. At three they get hard headed! 3 yr olds usually put up arguments which can get them hurt. 4 yr old are just as bad. Older horses, after 10 seem curious and willing to try. (If they like people).

@horsehaircreationsbykaren Жыл бұрын

True! 2 year olds, easy peasy lemon squeezy.

@lexahnelson6816 Жыл бұрын

thanks. would you say it would be easy to work a 2 yr old too hard or ride it too hard? like it’s probably not ok to ride for several hours a day doing ranch work or anything like that?

@ltrocha Жыл бұрын

Yes, you can definitely ride a 2-year old too hard. Their knee joints aren't closed yet and they usually need to be at least 3 before any real hard work should be done. Of course, it your cattle get out and you need to get them back, you do what you gotta do.

@elgaragustin25 Жыл бұрын

We start them before 2 on ground work saddle. Don’t ride them till after 2.

@PTTrue-mu5rq Жыл бұрын

I absolutely love working with studs I have good luck with them. And there never to young to work with you don't have to ride the snot out of them getting them sound on the ground when there young and when there 4 you don't have to worry about hurting them there bones are set then. Ground work is very important 6 months old start teaching them to lead pet on them and just get them comfortable with you. Long story short light riding at 2 getting them collected teaching them the comands. At 4 there good to work hard.

@mr.bubbles452 3 ай бұрын

I need help

@brianramsey3824 7 ай бұрын

Are modern aqha horses getting to small for daily ranch work,?

@ltrocha 7 ай бұрын

No... Different bloodlines come in different sizes.

@jimenadiaz3423 7 ай бұрын

I have a question if you’re horse is 15 or 16 are they considered has old age? And once they’re in that age does that mean we can’t ride it ?

@ltrocha 7 ай бұрын

It depends on the individual horse. Some horses are healthy and can be ridden until age 25. Other horses are done at age 14.

@jimenadiaz3423 7 ай бұрын

@@ltrocha thank you so much

@charlenesterken2604 Жыл бұрын

I started my hancock, /blue valentine filly at 3 she did fantastic, her mind was more mature and she never bucked ,everything she was taught you only had to show her acouple of times she remembered it .smart filly

@barbarawitt9989 9 ай бұрын

Starting youngsters has to begin early due to economics; physically, the later the better.

@ltrocha 9 ай бұрын

Actually, not necessarily. There are other factors involved other that economics... although that is probably the major factor. Thanks for your comment.

@Placard1203 Жыл бұрын

So gone are the days when the U.S Cavalry tied a jack ass to a 7yr old unbroke horse and let loose dragging that poor little jack along with it. Larry have you ever witnessed such a thing!? I'm told that little jack brings them back gentle. Is that true?

@ltrocha Жыл бұрын

I've heard the stories but have yet to see it.