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Well Stannis could hardly do it if he’s dead could he?😂

@@Delete240 in the books it's Stannis that liberates Deepwood Motte and other places from the ironborn but the show killed him off and gave his acomplishments to the Boltons because D&D hated him.

@@masterplokoon8803 I’m well aware of that😂 I have read the books. I’m just saying he didn’t do these things because he’s dead in the SHOW. Books and show are different.

@@Delete240 shut up miserable incel

"When my brother was lord of this castle, he answered Robb's call and hailed him King in the North. And where was "King" Robb when the ironborn attacked this castle? When they threw my wife and children in prison and brutalized and killed our subjects? Taking up with a foreign whore, getting himself, and those who followed him, killed." It's seriously hard to argue with this.

Not in the books though.

@@jamiehuynh9622 he was sending up a small army to deal with the ironborn unfortunately it was lead by Ramsey snow on the behest of Roose Bolton meaning robb tried to deal with the ironborn but the Boltons fucked him over. Robb tried to help the glovers he was betrayed by the army he sent up

How many times do you put your faith in someone who keeps on letting you down before you start to feel taken advantage of

@@warfriday this ain't the books though

Exactly. Why the fuck didn't he make one of his grand rousing speeches!?!?

Rocky28447 Because Glover would have given him the whole you're-an-up-jumped-smuggler snobbery thing, typical of his (Glover's) social rank. Or at least, that's probably what Davos *thought* , after a career with Stannis where he was getting that every other day, from virtually everyone (apart from Stannis himself) who was jealous of his position as Hand. Besides, when Davos gave that speech to Lyanna Mormont, he was able to play the card of Jeor Mormont fighting the Death Army _ whether she joined Jon or not, she was hardly going to disavow her grandfather. Also, Glover was essentially speaking from bitterness about his brother's death, so no speeches would have turned him. Ironically, Robb never let his brother down _ he wanted to send troops to help Galbart, but was talked out of it by _ surprise, surprise _ Roose Bolton. Bolton was setting the stage for betrayal long before the Red Wedding.

Varamyr Z if you can’t defend your keep then you don’t deserve to have it

@@randycrawford1132 stupid comment.

He was on cooldown XD

AgainstAllGods when even Bran is a smarter Lord than Robb xD

AgainstAllGods Yeah, remember how that worked out for Bran? The North certainly does _ it has him to thank for the Ironborn. Bran's other bits of strategic brilliance include: (1) Sending Rickon and Osha to the Umbers; (2) Going out to play with the Dead Army on his own, thus obliterating the Three-Eyed Von Sydow, the Children, his direwolf Summer, and Hodor/Willas. And I would love to be wrong about this, but I just bet that, having found the truth about Jon's birth, he'll make a bee-line to pass the Wall at Castle Black, blissfully oblivious to the Death-mark on his arm that will bring down the Wall, and with it, all humanity. (I think that's why the Season 7 trailers keep showing those ominous shots of the Castle Black Gate rising.) I like Bran, but honestly... ;-)

Forseeing the Umbers betrayal was unlikely. The main reason they joined was because of the wildling threat not out of love for Ramsey. The Umbers wouldnt defeat the wildlings alone so were likely desperate and scared.

O.G.H Robb was was taking the fight to the lannisters. He had to leave north, gathering the bannerman elf the north takes time. Him leaving the north is a long way from home, it's not easy waging war against an enemy so far away...

Bran would have made a great leader

Ah, the full Viserys experience.

@M G house Targaryen's failures happened almost two decades before all this while the Starks' failure was still fresh, Viserys was still the blood of the strongest house there ever was in Westeros and the Starks never had dragons to begin with.

@M G not entirely sure but I think it was a couple generations. Aerys didn't have any and all his relatives died in a fire. Targaryens. A fire. Safe to assume none of them were special like Danaerys so none of them ever hatched dragons, which means they held the throne for at least two generations and won against a rebellion from bastard targaryens, too.

And this is exactly what doesn't happen in the books, the whole point of northern houses is that honor gets you killed but it also ensures an everlasting loyalty to your cause. D&d didn't understand that because they're idiots

@@revanruler6404 I think it's nice they explored this part. Rob did lose the Karstarks in the name of honor. So that makes your interpretation inconsistent. That's the whole thing with the Starks right? They're honorable to a fault. Even if it means turning your back on houses that have been loyal to you for centuries. In this case you can see how Robb's missteps have caused the northern houses to be cautious of their allegiances. Especially when going against the crown. Remember that when houses commit they're not just putting the peasants in their domains at risk. They're also risking their family members and therefore risking the future of their houses. The Northern houses understanding that Jon is a bastard and that his army is padded with wildlings will make anyone question his ability to win. That and there are only a handful of them compared to the Bolton army.

Yeah but he wanted to retake winterfell not deepwodd motte

@@joseeguren4645 you think he wouldn't pay any attention to deepwood motte?

I think At this point Roose had no intention of betraying(More of Ramsay's own doing) When Karstark was executed Robb lost Half of his Forces, and this point he knew Robb is not going to win the war and he didn't want to end up on losing side, so he changed sides Robb shouldn't have executed him, he lost his 2 sons for Starks and those Starks set Jaime free. And Robb shall have gone to Winterfell when he lost this army instead of seeking Frey's Assistance( And his mother knows how Dangerous Walder Frey was) yet she still goes to him after betraying

In the books he planned to retake the whole north back from the ironborn he was planning siege of moat calin not attack casterly rock.He wanted to rebuild his army in the north and he didn't even want the freys at all but he needed to cross the trident in a hurry and twins was fastest way back north so he had edmure marry the frey girl but you know the rest

@@no_one8224 actually Bolton started conspiring against the Starks since Stannis lost at the black water, in the end of book 2 he is already sending Northerners(who are not Boltons) in stupid suicide missions to weaken Robb's army.

Yeah, Robb despite being a good guy made some rather shitty ass decisions. I think he's good at fighting in wars but terrible at making decisions. Now Sansa and Jon have to pretty much clean up his mess.

Robb stark was a fucking moron.. Roose Bolton literally had no other choice... He could either keep following this foolish boy, which would have ultimately lead to the downfall of his house.. Or he could save his house and gain a ton of power in the process. Robb stark earned that dagger through the heart..

Denny Kaleal​ And now Roose Bolton is dead, seems like he earned that Dagger too... I mean Roose was kind of a Moron too, like Ramsey has poisoned his last kids now why the hell would he have the Maester tell him that he has a newborn Son in front of Ramsey fucking Snow?!?

Robb didn't lose the war. Edmure Tully did by not bringing Tywin Lannister into the west of the Trident. If he had done that instead of keeping his army east of the Trident, Tywin wouldn't have been able to aid King's Landing and Stannis would have taken King's Landing, killed Joffrey, Tommen, Cersei, Lancel, and the Starks would have won the war.

James Turner Edmure's pretty much alive though... Robb got his whole family pretty much killed by his poor choices.

I agree, there is only so much a man can take before the fight gets taken out of him. Even Jon had a crisis like this but, sadly, he didn't tell Lord Glover about it.

+Kalladorn I'm starting to think A Song of Ice and Fire/AGoT is its self, about fallen honor and the attempts to restore it. Roberts Rebellion is all about avenging honor. Ned and Howland Reed literally stab the finest knight in Westros in the back. Ned Starks sword "ice" is used by him to behead Will the deserter of the Nights Watch, out of duty and honor. The same sword is used to behead Ned, again to avenge duty and honor. It is melted and reforged as both "Widow Maker", for Geoffrey to apply his own warped sense of honor, and " Oathkeeper", Jamie Lannisters honor given to perhaps the current finest knight in westros, the highly honorable Brienne of Tarth. Daenarys and Jon Snow both struggle with honor through their storylines. Even subplots highly involve honor, Ser Jorah, Lord Glover, Baristan Selmey. The real danger in the entire saga is honor. The pieces to defeat the white walkers are all there. But will honor stop them from falling into place? Jon Snow cannot ally with Daeny for as long as she is allied with Asha Greyjoy. Even if he got beyond his own feelings, his Northern Lords (especially Glover), would abandon him for allying with the same Ironborn faction that tortured the North in the aftermath of the war of five kings.

Gweilo Xiu he has the best voice beside robert. THE KING IN THE NORTH

Bro this is the best GoT comment I’ve seen

I never expected Lord Percy to grow up so grim!

bigbadcat bigbcy yep. Should just stick to making clover butter.

Looks like the Glovers abandoned House Starks again upon Daenerys arrival. I have a feeling the White Walkers will hit them next after House Umber

Kripke The Chameleon & Friends I hope so.. lord glover is fookin traitor

@@kripkethechameleonfriends4505 He abandoned because he wanted to fight for Jon Snow the King not A Targaryen Queen, Jon had already bent the knee

@@kripkethechameleonfriends4505 Should have had his had on a fucking pike.

Kijler Marble lol

Lol thats jaime

That's Ned, talking to Jaime

@WB Nah, Lord Glover is spot on here

What does in perpetuity means?

@@Kaiko408 Forever.

I don't think people all believe in Wight Walkers.

Yeah, but most northerners do i believe. If he was trying to persuade southern houses then probably not.

Littlenogietales I dunno man, even Ned Stark tries to play down White Walkers. Though whether he actually did believe in them and was just trying to keep everyone calm is fairly debatable.

It really only worked because house Mormont probably received Ravens from lord commander Mormont, keeping them updated on things like the wights and white walkers

Denny Kaleal You would think he would send more Ravens through all the Northern Houses then.

😂😂

Not glove a gauntlet

@@magnusthered4973 the fuck are you doing here?

Glover has a point though

Danny Glover

More like the north has Alzheimers in the show

Danzie Reviews Danzie! Cool to see you.

They remember how badly Robb fucked up.

@@chasm671 true about the starks, but the boltons were also responsible for slaughtering them too

Well it may be like "the North remembers House Stark is ok with House Bolton but Wildlings are Bad"

I don’t get why he couldn’t just threaten his way across the Twins instead of being forced to marry. Tf the Frey’s gonna do to the combined army of the North & Riverlands?

@@JoeTheBroken fair point. The issue is the way the bridge access is setup. Regardless of how big your army is, even if you tried to force yourself through, your army would be in a strategic disadvantage. I encourage to look at some pics on google. The only other alternative is to lay a siege, and this was not Robb Starks goal. Hindsight is always 20/20, nobody expected such a strong betrayal from the Freys.

He should have never had women out on the battlefield. P***y and mother while other men were celibate. Breeds jealousy. Caitlin betrayed him multiple times, released his enemies, and betrothed him to an ugly throwaway.

@@JoeTheBroken the issue wasn’t ability to take the castle ir was about urgency, they needed that army to get through fast and a sieve woulda delayed them far too long and left his other army to get crushed for no reason and his main force to be weakened before fighting the main Lannister force

True enough. But hell, wasn't he like 16? Hard not to be naive, when you're 16... can't expect the guy to be a full-on Tywin in the Game of Thrones, despite being surprising good at tactics.

That would have sealed the deal immediately

That was The Great Jon Umber.

LOL Stannis Baratheon the one true king of westeros Azor ahai reborn all hail his grace

King Stannis Baratheon thats what happens when dany fans take over. you will always be the one true king for us

Boo! You burned your own daughter alive. You don't deserve to be called king.

Chuck Lee fucking D&D put that shit in for shock value. It goes completely against his character because he just told her how much he loves her a few episodes earlier and D&D needed to make everyone hate Stannis before they killed him in the most bullshit way with him leading his army without any formation or scouts and brienne killing him because of renly bullshit. They just used shit writing to end a complex character's story without making any sense to clear the way for the fan favorite

not true, stannis had been burning people for ages, its even seen in his first scene in the show. he knew just how powerful the lord of light was when it killed his brother and then got robb and joffrey killed. his last resort seemed pretty obvious when his food and seige weapons were all destroyed

unfortunately, they have to. Otherwise they'll never balance the forces. The Boltons have more men.

They had to go through because of Robb Stark's stupidity

Jon is a true Stark. It is enough that his mother is a Stark. Lineage does not only run from the father.

​@@sderallaNo. He's a snow. And yes it matters greatly.

They ditched him.

Well what are they going to do lose their home again Edit I meant lose all their men like all the other houses And that’s what shit writing does to good shows

I mean they deserved to be ditched. The starks (robb) betrayed all of their bannermen when he broke his oath to the freys and thus got his army massacred at the redding wedding @ the twins. Cant argue for continued loyalty when robbs disloyalty caused catastrophe for all the houses of the north

That statement didn't stand for even a year :D

ditched twice

Jack66 so that he gets them to his side?

@@zIkA835 Yes. And thousands of other pissed off Northmen who want revenge for The Red Wedding.

This one makes more sense. Why would anyone side with Jon when the Boltons got rid of the Ironborn, when Jon's army is full of wildings, when he is a Bastard and Sansa is a woman?. On the other hand Stannis is the rightful heir of the Iron Throne and went North to bring Justice. Goes to show how the writing went downhill starting these seasons.

Apparently the Glovers want to see a Stark heir (Rickon or Bran) before they get into the ring.

Man Im forgetting the story line in the books! I hope G.R.R. Martin finishes the last two books fast

Ser Davos speech only effective againts little girl haha

Jon Snow missed the Paragon pop up on his screen.

tbh i am kinda glad so it is a slap to sansa's face when he snapped back to her "more loyal" crap. Northerners are more loyal but Davos was right and for her to doubt his advice was absurd. Sounded like Cersei.

I totally agree. There also should have been a scene where Arya and Sansa should have grieved their mother. I know a lot of people disliked Cat, (I flipping loved her) but she loved her children more than anything. This scene also gives an explanation to those who choose to ignore this actually happened. This is laid out as plain as day as to why they were hesitant to help, Lord Glover was a spokesman for many of the other houses we didn't get a chance to see. They were not playing about who they would follow in terms of being Northern or foreign. FF one season later and everyone seems to forget this attitude is the North, yet, all of a sudden they're hated for being Xenophobic because they refused to accept Daenerys without knowing her.

@@janellejulianajoy Yes definitely! It’s worse, as Rickon was never mentioned either! I loved Ned, but he was the only one they really grieved over! Yes, I loved Cat too! One of my favourite characters of the entire show actually. Yes she did love her children more than anything, which is why when Robb was killed, her scream said it all. Her supposed last child now dead was the worst thing for her to witness, and at that moment, she was ready to die :( Yeah this scene in 6x07 highlighted the matter clear as day. He later regretted not joining the Battle Of The Bastards, but he shouldn’t be blamed for questioning Jon and Sansa at least a little bit. Lord Glover even said to Jon in 7x02 “we called your brother king! And he rode south, and lost his kingdom!” They’re not gonna forget the tragedy that occurred at the Red Wedding. Of course they’re going to question Jon! Why would they accept Daenerys when they’re aware of what her father was? They are of course going to be suspicious! It’s in their nature to be suspicious of outsiders. Although Daenerys became the Mad Queen, their resentment towards her aid was ironically justified because although they needed her help against the Night King, The Northerners also saw her as a potential threat, which they spoke out on!

Leave it to that one scene in the final season where Bran is about to explain Jon's history with Arya and Sansa, and yet....they cut away 🥲

@@janellejulianajoy And perhaps you could say they were xenophobic if they didn't do anything for the Dothraki and the Unsullied, but Sansa went out of her way to make sure they had food and shelter.

Muddied name or not, it is their obligation to answer the call. Failure to do so would bring more shame to their houses than Rob's poor choices had brought. Even if Jon lost the battle for Winterfell and the Stark name was erased permanently, people would remember for many generations which houses failed to come to their sworn Lord's side. I do agree though that this scene shows that Jon has the respectful tone that makes people rally behind him. While Sansa comes in hard with the "Its your duty to obey" argument, Jon shows actual diplomacy and mutual respect.

House Glover is pledged to House Stark. Not to bastards and wives of Boltons. Plus, the Boltons helped take the castle back from the Ironborne. Now they're supposed to commit suicide by joining some bastard nights watch deserter, Ramsay Bolton's wife and a bunch of wildlings against a massive Bolton army?

+tpl It actually is an obligation. Sure Robb fucked up, but just because of Robb's mistake doesn't mean his loyalty to House Stark didn't cease. He can refuse to answer the call and stay on the winning team, but that would severely tarnish his house's reputation even if the remainder of the Stark army lost. How would other houses trust House Glover after shunning members of a Great House? Noble houses are shown to follow their Lords to death throughout the show, with the most famous example being Stannis. Sure Robb's poor decisions screwed him and his family over but he and the realm know that wasn't intentional. From a moral perspective Robett was right to deny Jon and Sansa for the safety of his family and his men, but political-wise it was not a smart decision in the long run.

Technically speaking their loyalties were to the Warden of the North which is House Bolton therefore House Stark no longer has any influence in the North.

You don't understand the mindset of middle ages houses, pledges were as important, possibly even more, as official treaties today. Your entire trustworthiness as an organization depended on you respecting your pledges. If you didn't answer a call, all the alliances you had were jeopardized because everyone saw you were not to be trusted. If you chose not to help someone to save yourself now, you take the risk of dying later because no one came to help you then.

THIS.

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Jon Snow made a note in his diary after this scene. Simply says: 'Bugger.'

After his years serving under the Mad Queenie, I can understand his reluctance to serve Sansa...

Jesus, I didn't recognize him!

G_Man DRAKE ETHINGHAM FARROOWW

"Percy you utter burk"

Nope.

@@Gervaj79 Why you disagree?

@@LuanEevee nope!

​@@LuanEevee just because the Starks lost a war that doesn't mean that they broke their oath.

ElAshtonio Yes, but the other difference is, Lord Glover didn't have a grandfather who was a Night's Watch Lord Commander who fought the White Walkers. Plus I've a feeling that little Lyanna Mormont never bowed the knee to the Boltons even when they were at the height of power. Having an island base probably helped.

This is part of why I didn't like seasons 7 & 8. 5 & 6 I already had issues with, but Cersei shouldn't have come away clean from that one. D&D were really in over their heads.

Legion XIII ikr

It's kinda funny how Lady Mormont shames Lord Cerwyn for not joining Jon's fight against Ramsay when a) he wasn't called (the writers fucked up there) and b) his ENTIRE family was killed and flayed for opposing the Boltons. Now that I think about it, I don't blame the North for telling Jon to fuck off to be honest.

B-b-b-but we needed more scenes in Dorne because... Jamie and Bron needed screen time! They didn't have time for an interesting Stannis plot.

Don't even get me started on the Stormlands. After S3 it were not even mentioned. The Lannisters and Tyrells rode in after blackwater and apparently the Stormlands yielded. Storms end is magically vacant and the martial prowess of the Storm lords was never mentioned/who took the title of lord paramount of the stormlands. GoT appeals to the masses

Glover - who is fighting in this army Jon - Mormonts Glover - And Jon - Forresters Glover - Silence Jon - Wildings Glover- No

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Yes, he had no love for the Boltons and would be willing to fight if more northern houses were in on it. Look at his expression when he heard that the Mormonts had declared their support, he would’ve said yes if there were others.

I was always under the impression that him kneeling was a sign of a true leader. They could have handled it better, but john could not win a battle against Danny and her dragons. So he made the smart move and pledged allegiance.. for now. The north always mocked The starks ancestor who knelt before the dragons. But they forget it was that move that saved the north from destruction and allowed them to live largely independent from the rest of the kingdoms. At the end of the day what matters more, that the person with the right last name sits on the throne? Or that the people in general get to live in peace and prosper.

Thank you! This was without a doubt the dumbest shit I've seen in this series, and there have been plenty of stupid moments. How can a man who accepts a title completely ignore the fact that Lord Glover here, represents everything these people are? Loyal, cold and distrustful if they lose their faith in you. Jon hears this man's words and a season later he abdicates without telling anyone and actually believes they would grin and bare it?! On what planet does this make sense? Like at every turn these people are telling us how they feel. Folks can hate all day long on Sansa Stark, but her allegiance to them and only them is why she was heavily favored. They used Jon to further the storylines for both Daenerys and Sansa. Daenerys was the road to paranoia and homicidal tendencies and Sansa's was her ability to actually run Winterfell on her own, pretty well, without much familial assistance. Jon stopped being an actual character in season six, going forward, he was a plot device.

To be the devil’s advocate, there was no way they stood a chance against the white walkers and the Night King without Daenerys, her dragons, and the dragon-glass on her base. So yeah, Jon’s hands were tied here.

@@Darknimbus3 she had already pledged to fight them with him though about a minute before he gave up his crown. Him abdicating was pointless.

@@lewiswood1693 she had already pledged to fight them with him thought a about a minute before he gave up his crown. Him abdicating was pointless.

It's actually pretty reasonable to ask considering vassals are suppose to answer their lords and lady's calls.

more loyal?

indeed

no one can blame him robb played at war and married for a shit reason and got galbart killed and ned got his other brother ethan killed at the tower of joy so poor robett

but with whos claim of independence Rickon Jon or Arya 'Jeyne' or Sansa

which house do you recon are still loyal to the boltons

Lmao what damage.

@@Gervaj79 the damage of breaking oaths.

@@valeriewinter6217 No u

And he turns around and does the same fucking thing. He shouldn't have been included in this scene as he totally ignored the significance in this interaction later on

"House Glover served, when serving was safe" Ned Stark

its not full plate, and its a spin on their sigil a fist in plate armour, they look really cool hope we see them in action

they don't have that many soldiers not like 5k so they probably can afford steel armor

Ironwood plates

Agreed. A few thousand wildlings + 62 mormonts against the might of the Boltons + Karstarks + Umbers, I would immedietley said no.

@@DakturPepper 62 mormonts+200 hornwoods+143 mazins

@@DakturPepper Not to mention Robb betrayed him, his house, and the whole of the north when he broke his oath to the freys and got the northern army massacred. Fact is robbs actions and decisions led to the deaths of virtually every single house leader in the north absent the Reeds, Manderlys, and Boltons. On top pf that Jon and Sansa now come asking for help with an army of people (the wildlings) that you've been taught from birth are the mortal enemies of the north bc of their raids south of the wall. Why on earth would you back them vs the boltons (who have all the major houses of the north backing them: the karstarks, and the umbers who were 3rd and 4th in size only behind the starks and boltons b4 the war) who also got you your castle back (in the books it was stannis but here its the boltons)

@@onebuffalo5402 Again you are dumb. By your logic you swear alligenice to the traitor of your homeland who murdered your king and thousands of your countrymen when he was on the way to liberate it back from the Ironborn. Don't be stupid.

@@onebuffalo5402 In the Books, the North, except the traitors, loved Robb and adored him, even after his death. Lord Manderly and Glover we're conspiring to put Rickon as King and restore House Stark. D&D really butchered Robb's character from a honourable and hero King to a stupid teenager with hormones.

Probably would.

No, The Starks Failed Glover, Boltons saved them.

Actually Stannis saved house Glover. And this show is epic shit since season 5.

Hyperborea​ Then house Glover should have helped Stannis against the Boltons.

In books they are still with him.

That is if Sansa didn't hang him after she became queen.

Sansa probably executed him if he didn't get killed by the White Walkers

Stupid plot armor. One of the other Starks needed to die before the end of the show. Killed both parents and made Robb autistic to get rid of him, and then gave the rest of the characters 60 layers of plot armor

@@aleemizcool3654 Realistically Bran would have died beyond the wall, Jon would have been killed at the battle of winterfell, and Sansa would have been remarried to Ramsey Bolton or just outright killed. The fact that Bran sits the iron throne makes 0 sense. Jon ending up back in the Night's Watch makes 0 sense. Sansa being "Queen in the North" is the most cringe and outright stupid part of the finale, and Arya's arc concludes with a throw away line she said in like season 5. What a terrible ending to such a great series.

Not if the house is 'dead'. Jon is a bastard. Sansa is legally a Bolton, Bran and Rickon are presumed dead by everyone in the north aside from the Boltons and the Umbers (who seemed to have sided with them) Robb is dead, Ned is dead, Lady Catelyn Stark is dead. There's literally no one for them to follow aside from a group of wildlings savages. So Glover has a pretty good point.

yeah but there not dead! they are standing right there!! lol

+Tanner McGuire yeah but Jon isn't a Stark by name. And neither is Sansa after she married Ramsay. They're not going to follow a bastard. And they're certainly not going to join forces with the wildlings the bastard is leading!

Ramsey isent a Bolton technically because Tommen who said Ramsey isent a snow anymore is a bastard himself so it doesent matter. In that case Sansa is still a stark. The Glovers know Tommen is a bastard because thats part of the reason they went to war. They dident want a bastard ruling the seven kingdoms over a true baratheon. They are following a bastard anyway.

They don't have a castle or an army. A house is built upon all aspects. Not just family members. Ramsey is one but has an army and a castle and exports etc but Sansa and Jon have a tent and some soldiers and some stark banners who they had to get from northern houses.

House Glover it's probably died like the Umber's aren't they?

Night nah. Deepwood Motte was way too far outside of the Night King’s path for him to attack there. Last Hearth, however, was right within the path between the Wall and Winterfell. That’s why he was able to take out the Umbers.

He served the Starks loyally. To him, the two in front of him are not Starks and they don't even have a castle. The Starks weren't betrayed by their bannermen.

@@rickstalentedtongue910 I think that is referring to the fact that after the starks took back winterfell and lord glover reaffirmed his allegiance to house stark he didn't show up for the fight against the white walkers and just send a letter bassicly saying good luck, I will be staying in my own castle

Ya the books do a better job of making the world seem massive. The houses of the North are waiting for the stairs to return and hate the Boltons. They only rule through fear. Stannis thankfully has a much better chance of winning in the books because while GRR Martin takes forever to write… he actually knows how to right characters and make the world feel alive. While after season 5 the world felt smaller, characters just vanished, they did Stannis so dirty in the show…

I love that he does the eye twitch before he turns back to Sansa.

Pabler Arav Oh bugger

Robb Stark was potentially a great king and a greater commander. However, just like Rhaegar, he was cursed with loving the wrong lady, and love was his downfall

Tullys were the most powerful in riverlands..freys were their bannermen

Stop with this fucking meme, Robb lost the moment Stannis failed to take King's landing and the Tyrells allied with the Lannisters, not because of a marriage.

“Love” I’m sure if she wasn’t so attractive his “love” wouldn’t have existed.

@@justjoking9103 🧢🧢🧢🧢 Even George Martin said Robb was going to win.

House stark was never pledged to house targaryen. House stark pledged to house Baretheon.

@@yamlajatt7481 House Stark was pledged to House Targaryen for almost three centuries before Robert's Rebellion.

@@turmuthoer Sorry Brother, my apologises. I was thinking Lannister when I read targaryen.

@@turmuthoer yeah but the Targaryens tried to wipe out the Starks for no reason which is why they rebelled, the Starks rulled the North wisely for thousands of years and the great crime that makes Glover not suport them is simply that they lost one war after thousands of years of just rule, Glover sucks in the show.

Second Sons and Glenmore help them maybe

This didn't age well..

@@sythal5985 I was being sarcastic

@@samgilley3160 Oh, sorry hard to tell on the internet sometimes. I believe your comment was before S8 got released and this writing I no longer consider even bad for D&D standards after what I have seen. Apologies.

This one is great though.