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Years later, I'm still baffled that fireflies weren't added even though the frogs can eat living cubes of magma

the firefly thing is mind boggling when you can literally kill parrots by feeding them cookies (which are poisonous to them)

The way she talked about the Birch Forest cancelation felt as if she was blaming the community for their expectations. Even though they announced it as if it was a feature, it felt as if the rug was getting pulled out beneath your feet while also being told it was your fault being on the carpet after being directed to the carpet. It was a pretty dumb move to announce it the way they did.

The thing you didn't mention that I think everyone should is the contrast in between the first Caves and Cliffs delay (by Lady Agnes) vs the announcement where they said they're not doing the birch forest. The contrast in the tone of the videos is insane. Maybe it's just Lady Agnes and seeing how sad she was when announcing the delay when we're used to seeing her happy? Regardless, the 1.19 delay announcement video felt very cold.

This video reminds me of my favorite quote from Customers for Life by Carl Sewell "Under promise, over deliver. Customers expect you to keep your word. Exceed it"

I feel like, these past couple years, the updates have had SOOO much influence on the game and the community. It was bound to happen that a Minecraft update would have some controversy.

We were cursed by this update feels like ngl

Important detail: Every update before 1.17 OVERDELIVERED features. The fact that so many additions to the game weren't even in the prior Minecraft Live made Mojang seem like they were going above and beyond (which they were). Compare that to taking 3+ years to add not even all of the features advertised and many of the unrelated new features in 1.17-1.20 not being related to the original theme of updating well, the game's caves and cliffs.

I will never forget Mojang for not adding fireflies. Even if they don't want frogs to eat them, just remove that feature but keep the fireflies. Also still waiting on the fletching table, you know that one workstation from 1.14 that I think Mojang forgot about.

I feel like we got past the "renewal updates" era when each update was focused on refreshing some important piece of game (oceans, villages, nether, terrain). This era starting with 1.13 basically ended with 1.19 and now Mojang isn't sure what the next updates should be about. In my opinion Mojang should now focus on adding the seemingly forgotten vote losers (that they promised to add one day) and the features they skipped (especially proper archeology). It doesn't need to be anything new to be exciting. The entire community would love to see those features because we always hoped to see them. It's the simplest and the best thing they could do. No hard work thinking of new stuff, no controversy, just implementing what they have already shown us.

1.17: Caves & Cliffs pt.1) Delays are understandable. 1.18: Caves & Cliffs pt.2) Why is the Deep Dark delayed? 1.19: Caves & Cliffs pt.3) Half of the update is the Deep Dark. 1.19.1: The Unwanted Update) Mojang, WHAT THE HECK. 1.20: Caves & Cliffs pt.4/Trails and Tales) It's about time they finished it. 1.21: Heights and Hollows (best name I could come up with)) An actually new update.

To be honest yeah it was a bit dissapointing due to the update being split in like 3 updates 😭And the fact that mojang made us expect wayyyy too much and had our hopes HIGH😭

That whole alternate reality thing really tells me how important public relation is for a game developer

I feel like the biggest thing holding Mojang back from making good updates is the fact that for some reason, they have to release a new update every year. I don't know if they're doing it to themselves because they think players will get mad without new updates even with snapshots existing, or if Microsoft is forcing it on them because it's good for marketing or something, but the development cycle would be so much better without it. They wouldn't have to crunch in order to make good updates, they could just delay the update as much as they want and work at a fair pace until it's done. Or better yet, just don't have a public release window at all and wait until it's ready to tell us, which is what basically every other game does.

Its simple the problem that they set a precident for these big overhaul updates (neather/C&C) and then go years without a update of that magnitude make everything that comes after feel small and lazy which tbf it is...

I think mojang forgot they are a game studio. They can make delays if needed and the community would probably be happier about that then cutting stuff.

Another thing is that they decided to reveal all of the content for caves and cliffs at once pretty much, when the nether update was announced, they didnt even reveal netherite yet among many other things. If they would have just not announced things like the bundle, archeology, ect... We still could have gotten them at the same pace and we'd all be happy because we didnt even know they were delayed

Tbh, I don't mind waiting. As a Minecrafter since Infdev, I've grown so used to it, anyway. Overpromising and canceling announced features, tho, is a different story. I hope Mojang has learned their lesson. One thing I'm glad about is that 1.13+ revived ppl's interest in the game incl. modders, and now mods are helping keep the interest alive in spite of the disappointments. I thought 1.20 would be another very unpopular version, but I'm now at 1.20.1 thanks to mods, lol.

cant believe we're still waiting for the bundle, bundles would be so good in survival and steve would be able to flex his strength

Bro we still don’t have all the features from 1.17 😭 But to be fair the extra time really helped Mojang flesh them out to be a much better end result.

8:50 concept art is not a commitment but an announcement is if the community knows about a concept that now has to be added to the game

Don't worry guys I won't let minecraft die

The diamond sword frog joke was funny From now on imma kill frogs to spite mojang and create a frog farm that kills frogs Yeeeaa take that mojang, let's see you remove Redstone

I wonder if the alternate universe of not revealing the warden and all until they were ready would still spawn the meme of "Mojang employees after adding 1 of the 3 mobs in the mob vote and taking a break for the rest of the year"

1.19: The Wild Update❌ 1.19: The Horror Update✅

1.16: nether update 1.17: caves and cliffs 1 1.18: caves and cliffs 2 1.19: caves and cliffs 3 1.20: caves and cliffs 4

Honestly the Potato Update was FIRE 🔥🔥🔥

Mojang is making huge changes to the code of the game with each update since 1.19, making it easier to add features in the future. I think they are preparing for more big updates like the Nether update. Then they can just focus on making the update and not having to worry about updating ancient code to support their ideas

3:08 "You even get a customisable anime girl assistant" 💀💀

Remember basalt deltas were added because people were becoming a bit angry about not getting their 4th new biome they mention during Minecraft live or whatever they call it back then.

The only addition I found interesting that wasn't a delayed feature in 1.19 and 1.20 was the Cherry Blossom Biome. It immediately grabbed my attention, and I literally played for a little bit because of it. But that's it, nothing has brought me back since 1.17 and 1.18 really, which them being separate numbers never fully made sense.

Bundles still aren't in the game btw, so technically the Caves & Cliffs update as it was introduced still isn't finished.

TLDR: FIREFLIES DID IT FOR ME. The fact they refused to add something on such convoluted and misguided grounds was ultimately why I reverted back to playing older, modded versions of the game... Something that has continued to bother me is the lack of useful/consumable drops upon animal/creature death. At its core Minecraft was and still is a survival game. It feels bad when you're surrounded by mobs with convoluted and niche purposes that really dont enhance the player experience in the long run. For example goats - lets be real - horns are nice and all but shouldn't you also get some sort of meat from them??? It also erks me that I would guess this strange ideology that consumable drops are disrespectful, is responsible for the lack of several interesting and long requested mobs (deer, brown bear). If Mojang doesnt like the idea of players building mob-farms for resources then they really need to reassess there entire development ideology. Why should cows drop a consumable food and polar bears not? - polar bears have been hunted for millenia by Inuit peoples here in the real world for both meat and hide. Adding a useful drop to the polar bear would also allow for another unique sourch of leather, which can be hard to farm early game, if you lack wheat or cows. Dispite the fact that it goes counter to their own original vision for the game (IMO) If Mojang really wanted to deinsentivise certain mob farms (polar bear, panda, goat etc.) then they should add detriments to their drop/make them situational. For example: polar bear meat could give high saturation and the cost of making you sick after eating more the one piece at a time (polar bear meat can give you vitamin A poisoning) - thus deinsentivising farming while also respecting the mob in the game with an actual purpose to the player (rather than being a "set-piece"). The could also be much more aggressive and harder to kill, for example. Another hypothetical example would be deer: deer could drop meat, leather and antler, once again being another source of leather early game. To deinsentivise farming (once again, I dont necessarily AGREE with this direction that Mojang is taking mob development regarding this point BUT) deer could be very hard to breed (once aagain mirroring real life) with a diet of specific saplings being required to satiate each deer, in addition to them being very skiddish in general. ONE MORE example - Goats, could drop goat meat and leather but perhaps only be breedable in certain biomes. One LAST thing regarding the above suggestions - all of these leather sources could be diversified so cows give normal leather but polar bears give tough leather, maybe goats and deer give thin leather or leather strips or something of that sort. In summary, I thing the increasing number of pointless, "decrative" mobs has slowly been killing the game. I'm not asking for bats to drop bat-meat and dogs to drop dog-meat etc. (most people actually find a use for dogs in their playthroughs lol) but for crying out loud its a fantasy survival sandbox - just let me get goat meat when Im out exploring a mountain biome so I don't have to run back to my base to get the chicken I crushed to death in my chicken farm. It's the hypocrisy that really erks me here. They don't want to add simple animals that enhance player immersion and directly influence gameplay in favor of niche and unaccessible "wall-dressing" (im sorry snuffer) that ultimately contributes very little to the player experience - all because said animals (deer, moose, bear, lion) could be killed for food etc.. ?? But my entity cramming chicken farm is AOK?? COME ON MOJANG! It all came to a head for me when they refused to add fireflies, something that would greatly enhanve emersion in the overworld - due to the fact that fireflies are consumed by frogs here in the real world... this is a FANTASY SURVIVAL SANDBOX Mojang. THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO'D BE UPSET ABOUT FIREFLIES IN THE GAME ARE PEOPLE WHO DON'T ACTUALLY PLAY THE GAME. (investors.. shareholders...) BECAUSE EVERYONE WHO ACTUALLY PLAYS THE GAME KNOWS YOU HAVE TO KILL STUFF IN THE GAME TO PROGRESS, to survive even (which Mojang seems to have forgotten is still a CORE aspect of their game lol). Lastly, lastly - the whole thing just reaks of a corperate, eurocentric understanding of nature and the environment. Growing up around American Indians where I live, the LAST THING THEY WOULD DO is kill and animal and not use some part of it for something. I even knew one guy who'd pick up big game roadkill even if it'd gone bad, just for the hide. Within the game world of Minecraft, the ability of the player to interact meaningfully with the world around them helps to facilite a similar relationship, give and take, at least it should/can in my opinion haha. IE - You kill a goat you get some meat, leather, maybe a horn - but other times the goat knocks you off a cliff and spmething else eats you. Give and take, not look in fear and awe... it lacks connectivity and understanding and if I know my native friends at all they would call it disrespectful, the fact that polar bears/goats etc. have no drops.. Anyhow this comment is to long and I gotta get to work. Thanks for reading my crazy rant

Mojang at Minecraft live: This update were working on is going to have updated birch forests and fireflies. Mojang 2 months later: We never promised anything even when we practically did.

Looking at 1.20.5 changes as plugin developer I'm shaking how many things they are doing completely reworking NBT implementing effectively proxy funkcionality into vanilla server jar fast load packets when switching servers being able to implement a custom world compression algorithm in vanilla server And maybe more things that I haven't discovered yet but they are sure cooking something big

I really was confused when mojang said fireflies don't come into Minecraft because of the frogs but of course they eat cubes that are made of magma...

"you even get an customizable Anime girl assistant, it just keeps getting better and better" -TheMisterEpic 4/20/24

"let's not add this 2 pixel ambience mob, what could possibly go wrong?" the minecraft community was never the same again

the nether update was the first time I was excited to play Minecraft since the ocean update on ps3

Looking into the future, 1.21 has some amazing content to play with. I think we're finally getting a great update again and I'm really looking forward to finally be able to play it

This update is the epitome of being so great, it makes other updates look miniscule in comparison.

i feel like this 1.21 is also not going to be reviewed very well by a lot of multiplayer servers that use crystals pvp (just anarchy in general) as totems and emeralds and now near impossible to have a efficent farm due to raids not working anymore with a ominous bottle :(

the thing that blows my mind is that modders have added features Mojang left out in a matter of weeks, yet Mojang can't do it themselves because it is "too difficult." I'm sure that it'd be IMPOSSIBLE for the modding community to make a gloomshroom, it's just too much to ask for...

In my opinion, the caves and cliff update was amazing. It really added a lot to the game. In my opinion, it was not the update, it was the vibe. I feel like Mojang started to neglect the community

3 minutes ago is crazy... anyway caves and cliffs should be finished by now, BUT THEY STILL HAVE TO WORK OUT THE BUNDLE

Ngl, they really went back on track from 1.20 and I really appreciate that.

Man if I change the version to 1.18 nobody will notice Iam playing 1.18 .

I love where he said it’s minecrafting time and Minecrafted everywhere

I actually beg that they bring out that birch forest one day bc the concept art looks great and the birch forests are kinda cool but quite lacking at the same time

As a game developer, overpromising and underdelivering is the fastest way to get fired. You'd think the developers of the world's biggest game would have learned that by now.

Only thing I remember about caves and cliffs is that it's the "way too much copper" update. Or the "you want iron? Forget about mining" update.

its funny bc i remember watching the minecraft live event for caves and cliffs and thinking “wow thats cool that this is all the content we will be getting over the next few years” before even getting the announcement that it was going to be delayed, and i was so right. honestly, i really enjoyed every update so far, and although 1.19 was underwhelming and added chat reporting, 1.20 and upcoming 1.21 more than made up for it. unpopular opinion, but i kinda like the new format of release. it gives me something to look forward to every wednesday, seeing if a new thing is coming out. yeah snapshots have always been on wednesdays, but they just added the content that we already knew was coming.

14:19 Cherry groves are my favorite addition to Minecraft and I will not tolerate slander and claims of being "not that interesting"

I also think it was a problem that every feature in 1.20 was exclusively decorational and not functional

That's all true. What really annoys me is that they don't make really needed updates like performance and storage because they cannot sell them. But at this point these problems are so apparent that they have to do something about it. Meanwhile they are solving problems nobody ever had (like villager trading) and introduce new problems (like villager transport) with it. It's the lack of direction people are pissed about. Before 1.17 it was "we're improving this and this and this in this update" and now it is more or less "we do random stuff nobody cares about". Also the mod community improved so much that people feel every Create adds more stuff to the game than every major Minecraft release.

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I just cant belive that every little update takes six months to a year.

11:24 kinda wild to see someone praise 1.19 as even with all the content that it added, it still showed us that Microsoft was 100% willing to take away a game that we paid for. Sad to see that the community has already forgotten about that

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1.18 is probably the single best update in my personal opinion for how it overhauls the terrain. It's a shame that the delays caused so much drama.

*casually forgot chat reporting* (yes im aware of the fact that was 1.19 but its still worth mentioning i feel

8:36 you know what else is poisonous? Cookies 🍪 to parrots 🦜! And Mojang used that mechanic to educate players, perhaps a little too harshly, about that fact to prevent it from happening in real life!

I am not disappointed at all. I bought the game once 10 years ago and still receive free Updates.

When I first heard about Caves and Cliffs, I thought it was the greatest update the game has ever seen. Even after the split, I still believed that the update was the most innovative and groundbreaking update to the game. But the split was truly what marred the potential success that Cave and Cliffs had. Not only did it delay certain features, it also wouldn't add everything that was delayed into 1.18, making the split not feel like it was worth it. It also didn't help that the bar of updates was increasing due to the excellent updates that preceded Caves and Cliffs. The Aquatic Update, Village and Pillage, and the Nether Update were all updates that defined Minecraft's peak to the point where I would consider 2018-2021 the Renaissance Era of Minecraft. Caves and Cliffs is what I would also consider a "renaissance-tier" update but that update was unfortunately what would end Minecraft's Renaissance Era.

I thought they said that Caves & Cliffs was split because of covid.

I never understood the logic behind ignoring what the majority of your own playerbase wants.

I love how Mojang's solution to the community backslash wasn't "let's organize ourselves better so that we can deliver what we promised", it was just not announcing anything lmfao

All I remember is when the caves and cliffs update launched without any caves or cliffs

very cool video. very nice to see how you talk about the very minecraft version i started on lol

Imagine if Mojang never even announced all that caves and cliffs content in the first place?

This all started because they hyped the community and then disappointed every expectation. Edit: besides that, they only update really specific parts of the game, as if theyre afraid of actually doing something decent.

But Think about the billions of pet frogs that would have had to get their stomachs pumped because some kid went out in the middle of the night, caught some, then fed them to their pet frogs because of something they saw in Minecraft. Oh the humanity😭😭😭😐

You missed a major part of what catalysed the backlash. The handling, and rollout, of "chat reporting". The policy for it being supremely vague, the poor implementation that could be immediately exploited to forge the context around a message to turn "yes" to "do you want cake?" to "yes" to something... bannable... The expediated timeframe (two weeks from snapshot to release was the original goal), the buttheadedness in the face of community outcry, the leaks of NDA talks that revealed this had been in the works for almost a YEAR, and this was the poor results of it? Put that, right after community sentiment and goodwill has been tanked by the Wild Update... This freaked the community out. It was no longer a "Maybe they're struggling from biting off too much and we'll see some reflection on it" to "Oh god, they've gone from the chill indie vibes to full EA/Blizzard corporate mode."

"A headphone jack, Thats rare"😂

you forgot to mention account migration, chat reporting and new kids-friendly server rules. these are important.

I just hope that these smaller updates are being done so they can spend more time and be more prepared doing a bigger update like an end update

Looking back to 1.19, im still laughing at the fact that mojang didn’t just decide to make frogs not eat fireflies. Ngl if they did this, the update would have been slightly better

Tbh, I just go into Minecraft greatful they even update the game still, since 2009. Any update will do for me because one day Minecraft won't be updated, so I'll cherish all of it.

Yeah they did over promised, but overall it's still fine. Also is this your first time having a sponsorship?

this video made me want to go back in time and tell Mojang about this

Thank you for the video!!!

I hate how nowadays you can smell corporatism from the words mojang speaks out to us.

One thing I realized over time (especially with the mob votes) is that Mojang should never listen to players and just keep doing what they're doing lol

The fireflies thing is so weird, just make it so frogs don't eat them... It's like instead of making it so parrots can't eat cocoa beans because they're poisonous they just removed cocoa from the game

New theory: Mojang's reason for not adding fireflies is NOT because it's poisonous to frogs, it's just an excuse. Like, remember when Nintendo said they didn't add Waluigi to Mario Kart 7 because he was "too creepy"

Wild that this doesn't even mention the chat reporting "feature" that was added in that time frame.

Bait-and-switch at 10:18 - 10:24 Stay vigilant.

I hope Chronicles of Ardinor one day catches up to a modern version. The red army.

Love your videos they really feel like I'm watching a movie 😊

Honestly, the cave and cliffs updates were still the best in the game, all the content is ingame and its all high quality. We can move past it now

Hype is always the killer. Once it delivers, it always ruins the expectation.

How can 5 people make overhauls But a massive corporation can’t make one firefly

Mojang: ""Noooo we cant add fireflies coz are poisonous to frogs 😭😭😭"" Community: "so just make frogs dont eat fireflies ingame" Mojang: ""nooo, we are deleting fireflies"" Community: "hhmmm, okay, a bit unnecesary. So what interaction will frogs have with other mobs???" Mojang: "they now eat entities that are literally called MAGMA BLOCKS" Community: -_______________-

Mister Epic: _The last delayed feature archeology_ Bundle: Umm so when am I gonna have an update with me? I am pretty much finished 😭

It’s hilarious that they said the wardens just “getting too complicated” literally the most barebones boss ever, with almost instakill range attacks.

I think the worst part of it is the fact that some features in newer update already exist in mod, like the Cherry Grove in 1.12.2 and so many mod make copper usefull but in vanilla it's still useless

3:52 The irony

We get it, it was delayed a lot, can we move on with the negativity now?