How a Failing MLS Became So Popular

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3 ай бұрын

The intriguing debate surrounding Major League Soccer's (MLS) global standing and its ability to rival Europe's premier football leagues. Delve into the contrasting viewpoints, from Cristiano Ronaldo's bold assertion about the Saudi Pro League to comprehensive statistical analyses revealing MLS's current position. Discover the intricate dynamics of MLS's structure, including its salary cap and franchise-based model, and how these factors impact its competitiveness on the international stage. Gain insights into the methodologies of leading analytics firms, such as Opta and Twenty-First Group (TFG), as they assess MLS's performance against other leagues worldwide. Uncover the unique challenges faced by MLS teams in continental competitions like the CONCACAF Champions League and contemplate the league's long-term strategy for achieving global prominence. Join the discussion and share your thoughts on whether MLS can bridge the gap with Europe's football giants in the foreseeable future.
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@Geo-md3up Ай бұрын

mls is still young league, you cant expect to have allot of fans with a young league,the fanbases will grow as the years go by, I believe mls will be among the best in the world decades from now.

@nelson-ochieng 3 ай бұрын

the mls just needs to focus on home grown talent. english football didnt become a hit overnight.

@pioneeringmedia 3 ай бұрын

english football didn't have an influx of foreigners for many many years either - you might have a point

@carljacobs1260 3 ай бұрын

MLS is a self-contained entity within the US. Its success is determined by its performance in the US. The fact that it doesn't field clubs that could compete in the Premiere League is neither here nor there. That isn't a sufficient definition of success. MLS (like every other soccer league/club in the world) is a business. It exists to make money. It does not exist to showcase the beautiful game. The success of the league or a club is determined by profit and loss. Thats just reality. The US is not Europe. There is no deep soccer culture here. There is no way Pro/Rel could ever be successful here. MLS would not exist except for the closed system. It now occupies the top spot in US soccer and it can't be moved. You have to deal with the situation at hand.

@pioneeringmedia 3 ай бұрын

The video does elude to the MLS being a self contained entity, albeit towards the end. However, I thank you for watching and engaging with the comment.

@bricekimball5206 2 ай бұрын

Also, the MLS is 25 years old, the premier league or English top division is over 100. This idea that MLS has to be the best in the at this moment is odd.

@ElaztikaVR 10 күн бұрын

Nice video full of info

@pioneeringmedia 10 күн бұрын

Glad you think so!

@TobiasGrantTL 3 ай бұрын

Love this channel - how you haven’t got more subs is beyond me

@pioneeringmedia 3 ай бұрын

Working on it!

@ClaraRodi0404 3 ай бұрын

Me too. Excited to watch more

@AKPhilly 2 ай бұрын

MLS has a long way to go but I would rather watch it than any league where only 4 or less teams have a shot at winning.

@pioneeringmedia 2 ай бұрын

Yes it does have a lot of benefits and is certainly competitive. I did elude to this in the video

@Sempuukyaku 3 күн бұрын

You cannot have a discussion about our league (MLS) without having a serious deep dive into the history of the sport here in our country. Not doing so is missing MASSIVE context as to why MLS has a salary cap in the first place. MLS is the most successful soccer league in the history of the United States by a substantial margin, and it's not even close or debatable. The single entity model of MLS has greatly contributed to its success and stability, which is what we're the most concerned with. Europe's soccer history is not ours, and it is indeed an apples to oranges comparison.

@despicablemahi 3 ай бұрын

man, how much time do you spend on script, visuals, sound mixing, animation and editing????? at this level on KZfaq ur videos are so much closer to people with corporate overlords and also bigger independent creator. pls, do it consistently and i swear u will explode🔥🔥🔥

@pioneeringmedia 3 ай бұрын

Ah it’s comments like this that make it worth while. Super excited to hear the positives as it is super hard work.

@ClaraRodi0404 3 ай бұрын

It’s so good 😊

@MozxAngeles 8 күн бұрын

Owen was a LAFC fan before Messi Came

@user-pt7qp8up5t 8 күн бұрын

Who is Owen?

@MozxAngeles 8 күн бұрын

Owen Wilson

@pioneeringmedia 8 күн бұрын

Ah yeah he was in the crowd wasn’t he. I’m sure stars are watching Miami just because of Messi and haven’t actually changed clubs

@the77th 29 күн бұрын

I personally believe that the MLS is the most sustainable long term. Similar to the NFL & NBA, A Salary Cap creates PARITY! I think it's either other leagues become more like the MLS Structure wise OR, Long Term, As the salary caps increase, The MLS will become the Standard league globally. I know it sounds crazy now but like ALWAYS in EVERY business, the companies with Structure/The Meek usually inherit the earth. If you think about it, the Champions League is pretty much the MLS. The Richest Teams in the EPL/LaLiga/SeriaA,League1,Bondesliga are typically the top teams 4 in their leagues year after year after year...... and the poorest teams are a revolving door of promotion and demotion. It's why most European Leagues have become Farmer's leagues. Bayern just won 11 titles in a row 😭 In the last 20 years either Barca or Real have won the title with Atletico winning maybe 3...... Man City just won their 4th straight.... Lets not even talk about League 1...In seria A, Juve won like 10 straight until their financial collapse.... That's not "SPORTS", that's MONOPOLY!!!!!!!!!!!! In the last 5 years, there have been 4 different MLS Champions.... Inevitably, that "SuperLeague" will probably be the end result if each league doesn't implement some sort of structure and balance that gives EVERYONE a realistic fair chance.

@pioneeringmedia 29 күн бұрын

I love this comment so much. I have to agree with you and whether you watched the whole length of my content or not, I was kind of eluding to the MLS being a very good league internally. My case was made that I’m not sure they’ll ever compete on a regular basis outside the states. That being said, I completely agree, it’s a league where others can learn and alter their ways. However I fear the big European clubs will prevail with their wealth and continue to dominate their own leagues. Until a super league is formed. Which is inevitable in my opinion

@the77th 29 күн бұрын

@@pioneeringmedia Oh I watched your entire video. MAGNIFICENT VIDEO and you gained a new subscriber.

@pioneeringmedia 29 күн бұрын

@@the77thwelcome to the channel - I really appreciate your support ❤

@JackRabbit-us9uk 2 ай бұрын

To continue from previous comment, there are a LOT of soccer fans here in America. However, when you ask them what's their favorite club, you're far more likely to hear "Manchester United, Bayern Munich, PSG, or Real Madrid" than any of the MLS clubs.

@blackdahlya66 Ай бұрын

Best way to fix the Mls is have relegation. Make bottom teams play for something at the end of the season. The play off system should be 2 legs no way goal rules. 3rd ( this will be controversial) when leagues cup comes around have it either in Mexico or the united states and if possible both. League Mx and the Mls play each other a lot so why not let League MX see their team in their stadium and split the profit from there. And finally the Mls needs more time to grow. The Signings of inter Miami will bring more attention to the mls like in the Saudi league

@pioneeringmedia Ай бұрын

I think in general the league is doing very well as a business and structure. My take was that its clubs will struggle abroad in the competitions for reasons mentioned. But great shout and some good points. 👍⚽️

@aydenbrudnakvoss4535 13 күн бұрын

I don't wanna be rude, but I can't help but think you don't understand MLS at all. Relegation would seriously hamper the growth of the league since, if a team gets relegated, a number of their fans will simply switch to one of the other, much larger and more established leagues in the US, as well being a first step in degrading parity. Not to mention the fact that a) the gap between USL and MLS is MASSIVE, and b) you would have to negotiate between mls, usl, AND the Canadian PL (who everyone forget even tho mls is US & Canada), which is nigh impossible. "Playoffs should be 2 legs" is asinine. They did that for a while, and then realized that it means the regular season is meaningless beyond making the playoff line. Absolute joke of a suggestion. I agree on Leagues Cup, but literally every fan does, so saying it's controversial is crazy. To top it off, saying Miami will bring in more viewers is pretty redundant as that's been happening since Beckham came over, whether it's Robbie Keane, Henry, Nesta, or Zlatan. It also only really lasts as long as the player is here--the new fans supporting Miami will drop them the second Messi is done.

@blackdahlya66 13 күн бұрын

@@aydenbrudnakvoss4535 I know the gap between the mls and usl. But when a team is 15th place there's nothing really to fight for it's just a game. This will make people want to go to their teams final game because something is on the line and there is more ticket sales. and also that gap between mls and usl is closing in. You cant switch over to other teams sense their a minimum of a 3 hour drive apart. 2 leg finals is what they did before. 3 games traveling between both stadiums in the same week if the game goes to a 3rd game like alanta vs Columbus. it's just being stretched out for no reason when 2 games will bring more fans in. Messi did bring in more views look at the tickets. SKC had to use a football stadium and gellite stadium was packed

@aydenbrudnakvoss4535 13 күн бұрын

@@blackdahlya66 The playoff line was extended to 9 teams to alleviate the lack of something to play for. Also, every year there is at least one team in just about every league with pro/rel that is mathematically eliminated from staying up with several games left in the season, so there will always be teams with "nothing" to play for either way. I put quotes there because if you finish strong; players, coaches, even front office directors can keep their jobs for the next season. The end of the year for a bad team is a great opportunity for younger/lesser used players to get a chance to play and show off. I'm also not particularly sure what you mean by "they can't switch over". For one, they're not a minimum of 3 hours apart: here in the Twin Cities, it's around 30 minutes on the light rail to go from US Bank Stadium to Allianz Field to Xcel Energy Center. I also don't just mean tickets, because attention from fans goes beyond gate receipts. Fans from far away can enjoy a team and bring in value to the club and the league through online viewership and discussion, following the games and the stories, general buzz, and most importantly merchandise of all shapes and sizes. Circling back to the playoff discussion, the reason the first round has 3 matches now instead of just 1 is because the league wants every time that makes the playoffs to have at least one home game so that the fans who do show up all year can have that experience (and to draw more people to the stadium for the pure excitement knockouts provide). I don't really know how 2 games brings in more fans than 3. That's just blatantly untrue. I think I see where you're coming from, but Atlanta v Columbus was ELECTRIC. The 3rd game gave us the Amundsen screamer. And to reiterate, 2 legs simply isn't an option since you need teams that do better during the regular season to have an advantage in the playoffs. Lastly, I'm not disagreeing with you on Messi bringing in more fans, I'm just saying it's not new and it's really not that big long-term for the reasons I mentioned, especially since there isn't a higher profile player to bring in in the future than Messi.

@blackdahlya66 13 күн бұрын

@@aydenbrudnakvoss4535 But what if you add relegation battles as well as play offs. Bring in more revenue for those games as well so all teams have something to play for

@jayh3283 3 ай бұрын

Great video. I would say MLS is a top 40 football league at best. Saying they are top 20 is severally misleading considering they’ve accomplished very little in the last 20 years and really haven’t put in the effort to change that. While not having promotion and relegation is an issue because it hurts coach and player development, I feel another issue is MLS’s force parity. Forcing parity forces inconsistency amongst the franchises. So they are really not trying to be competitive with one another nor globally. That’s a problem that should be highlighted about them. Considering some of those players are called into our national team on top of MLS coaches getting the USMNT coach job, that is a major problem for those like me who want to see the USMNT one day consistently perform well against strong national teams. I’ve already gave up on MLS and stopped watching them because there is no use supporting a soulless football league. Even the constant parading of Messi is getting on my nerves.

@pioneeringmedia 3 ай бұрын

Great comment and a subject that seems close to your heart.

@aydenbrudnakvoss4535 13 күн бұрын

Pro sports is entertainment, first and foremost. Parity, ie any team can have a shot at winning (equality of opportunity), makes the experience as a fan of any team more exciting, especially those that would otherwise be watching their small market team get outclassed by an LA team spending 4x+ more than them. "Forced inconsistency", at least in my and several million other people's opinions, isn't a bad thing. Everything being up in the air every year is more enjoyable than watching the same few teams compete, and, in recent years, the same single team winning in European soccer leagues. Also, it's not as if teams spin a wheel to see if they're good or not--Columbus has had massive success in the past 15 years not because of a financial or historical advantage, but because they're the most well-run club in the league. Seattle and Portland were the only teams from the West to make the final for what, 8 years as well? It makes sustained success impressive and exciting instead of boring and expected.

@JackRabbit-us9uk 2 ай бұрын

MLS will NEVER have a strong foothold in the U.S. sports landscape. What people need to realize is that team sports like American football, basketball, and baseball have been entrenched in the American culture for over 100 years (Note: all 3 sports were invented in the U.S. in the late 1800s). Additionally, because those sports I highlighted have a lot of time stoppage / dead time, it allows for TV Networks (i.e., ESPN, ABC, NBC, Fox, and CBS) to air commercials. Soccer has continuous action and not as many breaks. The inability to secure TV broadcasting rights is why the NASL (the pro soccer league that existed in the U.S. from 1968 to 1984) failed.

@pioneeringmedia 2 ай бұрын

Some great points 👍

@aydenbrudnakvoss4535 13 күн бұрын

Recent stats beg to differ, and MLS will only keep growing. Plenty of fans are complaining about their favorite leagues (myself included), and if the USMNT can actually perform well in tournaments then more people will get into soccer. Also, I'd say a bigger reason for the NASL failing was because of the lack of restrictions on spending, which led to a bunch of clubs folding because they spent waaaayyy more than they really could've and should've. It'll take time, thinking in decades not years, but "never" is too much.

@rhyseccles9106 3 ай бұрын

Without promotion and relegation it will never compete with the rest of the world.

@uwemoyela5973 3 ай бұрын

LOL... yeah cause nfl, nhl or nba arent the biggest leagues of their sport... It has nothing to do wth promotion and relegation...

@baldusi 3 ай бұрын

@@uwemoyela5973None of those leagues have to realistically compete with the rest of the world.

@baldusi 3 ай бұрын

@@uwemoyela5973You can't think outside of your US-centric view. NHL, NFL and NBA are minuscule when you consider viewership and amount of athletes. They are huge in revenue, though. But pale in comparison when you consider the proper competition (UEFA or CSF, for example). You don't understand how it is in the rest of the world. FIFA football is 90% of the attention all year round. They US has seasons with little overlapping, so they share attention span. And the rest of the world don't have the college leagues: athletes star playing in their neighborhood at 3/4 years old. By 16 they are training with some professional league. Basically all debut in a professional league before 18 years. Since with relegation you have a pyramid of teams, UEFA has 20x the 15 to 18 years players than the US can produce. This generates an amount of competition for players that no closed league can match. Same thing happens with managers and even owners. Most of FIFA teams are fan-owned. You can't match that level of loyalty.

@marcusbritt483 3 ай бұрын

@@baldusiif thats the case just allow player to enter the league/training camp younger with the pros. Pro rel is kinda irrelevant when there is no good second option that fills seats as the sport isnt engrained in the nation like UK. And the end the day thats what matter. U could make the case with something like NFL and College. And no pro rel doesnt mean the league is worse plenty ex: basketball has no pro rel but the players are 100% top in world even international competition like FIBA and olympics.

@baldusi 3 ай бұрын

@@marcusbritt483You have too engrained the US system. In the rest of the world, people don't pay to train. You play in your house, you play in the school breaks and when you go to a club, the club pays for installations and trainer, hoping to get a sale on a good player. The NBA and the NHL (NFL and MLB don't count, as they are very US centric) have so much more money than everybody else, that every single European, African, Asian and Latin American hopes to go there. Thus, you are getting the Premier/La Liga/Bundesliga/Serie A effect on those sports already. US Soccer simply can't. For once you have to actually compete in equal footing with the rest of the world. And this is not about money. Look at the sad state of the Mexican League. They pay as much as Europe, but their league is weak. Thus, local players rather stay in Mexico, don't really compete, and end up getting all the retirees from the rest of the world. And it has been like this for many decades. Having huge amount of teams, is what allows to develop a lot of players. And the closed league system does not works for that. Don't forget that you don't know the thrill and glory of international competitions at the club and national team level. And yet, that's what gets the highest viewership of any events.

@franciscomunoz4940 3 ай бұрын

doesn't matter that soccer originated in the UK its football call it as such please. Otherwise great video

@pioneeringmedia 3 ай бұрын

Haha thanks. Have you had a word with sky sports about their successful ‘soccer Saturday’ program? I knew it would rev a few up, but it certainly wasn’t my intention. Given the video is about the MLS, with the S standing for Soccer - I figured it was appropriate 🤦

@marktheshark7588 3 ай бұрын

It will never compete with best leagues in the world.Cuz it's still considered a retirement league.

@pioneeringmedia 3 ай бұрын

what do you think it needs to do to change that perception?

@Alphoric 3 ай бұрын

What’s soccer?

@pioneeringmedia 3 ай бұрын

It’s a term first used in the UK 🇬🇧 in 1891, although it was Spelled ‘Socker’ 🤷‍♂️

@rounakbhattacharyaxib1733 3 ай бұрын

its football@@pioneeringmedia

@pioneeringmedia 3 ай бұрын

Well the video is about the MLS, and the S does stand for Soccer - just sayin 🤷‍♂️

@Leo_messia 27 күн бұрын

MLS without a promotion and relegation is a piece of trash that no one recognizes

@humoshamham 3 ай бұрын

i disliked only because of using soccer

@pioneeringmedia 3 ай бұрын

Did you watch all the footage? Soccer originated in the uk 🇬🇧 just sayin lol

@marcusbritt483 3 ай бұрын

⁠@@pioneeringmediapro rel is irrelevant considering the money involved has entire nations buying up teams/ partially funding them ex: man city , psg, chelsa and many others Teams like those can simplify but better play from other teams ex: bayern munich domination is largely due to them just buying the best players from teams in same german league leaving the selling team unable to cope given the pay structure to german teams favoring Bayern unfairly so arguably.

@pioneeringmedia 3 ай бұрын

@@marcusbritt483I agree. However, given the case made for the MLS and its pay structure, although Bayern dominate their league, they have also had successful champions league wins during their domestic dominance. Do you think the MLS teams can dominate CONCACAF?

@MrJoeSomebody 3 ай бұрын

Such an imature reason to dislike a video and hurt a creator

@pioneeringmedia 3 ай бұрын

@@MrJoeSomebody extremely grateful of your understanding 👍