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I've seen classical guitarists that can improvise, but mostly because they have also learned other playing style, like flamenco or fado.

It's not a mistake it's just JAZZ BABY

You two would make a good couple

Classical musicians' timing is terrible. They don't use metronome cuz "it kills emotions"

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Haha i have that one violist friend and guess what..? You're right

@@WhiteCranK I've only ever been able to jam for real with 1 classically trained musician and it was a viola player. Massive dork and legendary human

More about music theory or the compositional style of 18th century western musicians

@@awesomeal2.027 yes that is accurate. But that's western harmony, anything diatonic really. So in theory with that knowledge you should be able to improvise like a boss, provided I don't throw them any atonal jazz stuff

@@the_quadracorn I agree. It’s also odd that they would need to count in their head as opposed to just coming in when it’s known for the then to come in.

Lol

My thoughts exactly...

Exactly , I'd played jazz for 8yrs before doing a licentiate in classical, gotta know your shit. Guitar is hot thus century

The classical guitarists will hang u on a cross and burn u alive for the desecration...^^v haha

spot on

Lmfao

Take their guitars away and they both should stop playing.

​@@Ramdas_Devadiga lol

​@@Ramdas_Devadigabrh 😅

​@@zeppelinfan9360 most classical and baroque musicians improvised on their own pieces, I would rather look at 100 different takes of the Mona Lisa than the same thing over and over again

​@@zeppelinfan9360 And he seems to be pointing out the unfortunate state you have explained

Exactly, thanks.

​@@x3-LSTR-512 improvisation started even before baroque period. They didn't improvise on one of their pieces, they improvised whole structured pieces... the thing about jazz being improvised is just a lie, they learn a harmony so they know what works over it... It can be impressive certainly, but calling that 'improvisation' is not correct at all

​@@JulioLeonFandinho This is not a very informed take. Baroque basso continuo improvisation relied on partimenti a lot of the time which are basically the same as lead sheets in jazz just written with a bassline instead of the melody Improvising harmony can only be done consistently alone, otherwise people clash. And even then pianists manage to do it without clashing with the band using chord transformations and substitutions on beats where others don't play Also, "whole structured pieces" are also done following formulaes, like sonata form or others. As soon as you play notes that were not planned precisely beforehand, it's improvisation

Is the joke about reading sheet music? I thought it was because the guitar was an acoustic steel string. Maybe it's both sheet music and the guitar.

So, because your aunt refuses to play without sheet music, this is the rule?

I never would understand that, I thought the whole point was self expression?

Spot on. I'm teaching a few classical students at the moment and my usual discipline is the rockschool curriculum. I'm always shocked at how rigid the abrsm curriculum is, and how much it stunts students in their ability to freely express themselves musically. It's painting by numbers for musicians, basically.

Ive also read that beethoven would mark his sheet music with several bars saying improv here. Now improv for 32bars here. It seems to be only modern classical players who are never taught how to improvise.

​@@castleanthrax1833Improvising is not improving a song. Improvising in a classical style would be playing partimento, using rule of octaves, improvising in "baroque style", playing a cadenza, playing in "free fantasia", playing a prelude non mesure, ornamentations, or playing variations on a melody. You wouldn't be improvising in Für Elise or in The Shape of You (Ed Sheeran), because then you wouldn't be playing those songs. However, if a song includes improvisation then you could improvise on the song while still be playing it, improvising being playing spontaneously/freely within a certain framework, you wouldn't go from a Jazz to progressive rock and then back to Jazz. The point of improvising a Bach piece (depending on the piece), could be, playing it as intended.

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@@castleanthrax1833what’s astounding about your argument is that the composers themselves DID want players to improvise and add on to the music. Improvisation isn’t about “improving” a piece it’s about making it your own and making each performance of it have something fresh or interesting.

It was actually a fun entertainment. People make music for fun and money of course back then, ppl like bach, chopin, mozart was improviser, do you really think bach composed all those thousands of pieces every week? No he just improvised it and if he think it’s cool then he writes it down

When i said thousands i’m not exaggerating, also Beethoven literally did so many "jam" with other musicians of his time, you know like showing of their skills in real time situations with no sheet, he literally became popular because of that. Music school just ruined it, same with jazz actually, you need to learn atleast 100 standards to be a jazz musician like wtf jazz was a peasant music no offense, jazz became a serious music since bebop era

@@jamesmiles3341add on top of the insane fact that rock bands are not common classes in public schools in the us and u start to realize how fucked art education is in this country

It did, just not usually taught. Look up Partimento and rule of the octave.

Yep, and Mozart and Beethoven were genius improvisors as well. Franz Liszt? Maybe the greatest pianist of all time and a great improviser

A friend who was trained in classical music described her experience as "knowing the artists intentions" rather than being trained to produce good music. The kid was trained to follow the sheet music to a T and to be fair, I'd say she was pretty good at her job. But godayum was it limiting because the teachers only cared about perfecting a piece rather than teaching why it is so good in the first place.

​@@pondreezy True. The style pf Rameau became the standard way of learning music during the 1900s. Partimento is a better way of learning music.

Every piece of music started out as an improvisation.

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The only reason I know this is because I’m a guitarist, and I really like metal.

This is very true, it is fun though

@heela yeah it really is. I like to play whatever I think would challenge me and if that means go full metal on it then I will.

@@NylTheMC exactly metal all the way with a tint of classical jazz stuff

Was going to mention figured bass but it's niche and fairly obsolete with a few exceptions. Also it was common for composers and musicians back then to improvise as sheet music was written and not perfect (the ability was seen as masterful as the more famous composers of the day would be able to compose on the spot.) Kind of ironic that now it's all about the sheet music and you have masterful players that I would hardly call musicians because they can't/don't compose. I believe in the classical world the focus shouldn't be strictly on technique and sight reading. It's important but musicians should also be able to use their ear and write/improvise

@@DyingBobby I'd say the high artform with modern day classical music is interpreting repertoire. Because all note choices are preplanned, the microinflections get more attention in the improvisational aspect. It's what I love about it and why I continue to study. But I think we should be training musicians to understand what they play and not turn them in to muscle memory robots.

@@DyingBobby classical musicians have highly trained ears. Definitely should be more focus on improv though. The composition program is a specialized program in music universities and is oftentimes reserved for comp majors. So even if classical performance majors want to take comp classes, they can't.

Good. Get better at improv 😂

@@BababooeyYcho66T Lmao 🤣

skill issue

same man, been classically trained but i’d love to learn how to improvise as well

Haha, classical singer when I was younger, and a flautist.. but yeah, never once improvised. Been playing guitar for three years and there's nothing quite like being in a room full of musicians improvising when the magic happens, it's sublime.

then why don't modern day classical musicians learn how to improvise?

​@@methyod Some do, I've seen Pekka Kuusisto go to town with the Toronto Symphony. But indeed it is no longer normal (Beethoven was also a prodigious improviser).

Fully agree. Without improvisation and spontaneity, music wouldn’t be my passion. I swear there is nothing cooler than jamming, you just feel so free and it’s like you’re manifesting your own momentary thoughts and emotions into sound waves in reality like a magician. If I had to be a robot that reproduces the same sound over and over I would fall into depression

Had a more blues feel than jazz

I would say baroque composers definitely improvised, later Mozart and yes Beethoven.