How a lighter improves my groups

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How a lighter improves my groups

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Күн бұрын

This simple and easy lighter trick is something I’ve used for a long time and it’s made me more accurate over the years!
#nockonnation #nockon #archery #archery101 #johndudley #dudley

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@pp2021 Ай бұрын

One of the best tutorial lessons this year. Sounds simple, just need to try it and see the massive difference. Thanks John.

@Terpedup925 Ай бұрын

This really does work. I’ve tried it and my groups were way better. Don’t hate on John just try it before you judge it.

@dazofthemoo1531 Ай бұрын

Im new here and so far all I've seen is gratitude for this fella. No hate. Seems like a great site, with a great bunch following. ❤

@Terpedup925 Ай бұрын

@@dazofthemoo1531 yea there’s a lot of haters out there that for some reason they don’t like John. I don’t know why. He seems super genuine and generous

@dazofthemoo1531 Ай бұрын

@@Terpedup925 Hmm, Armchair experts with nothing better to do, i suppose. Well so far, I like what I see. It's just gone 9am here in Sydney, and I'm gunna try out his trick today. Enjoy your day mate. Keep 'em tight!

@dalehill6127 Ай бұрын

@@dazofthemoo1531 So you tried John's technique, how did it go?

@JerrBearTactical Ай бұрын

Archery tip of the decade ... that's genius, Brother 🏹👊🇺🇸

@MsCas3 Ай бұрын

That’s a great tool to get the grip right, thank you. However, I took the picture as you suggested and realized immediately I didn’t nearly have the Dudley guns featured in this vid 😢

@TadFlaugh Ай бұрын

So simple, yet very complex. Well done.

@adublbeatz8656 Ай бұрын

Man!!! Thank you. For some reason, I torque more at distances pass 20 yards. I got out in the yard for this evening shots and tried this technique. It worked for me. Of course, I'll keep doing it, to train the brain and grip, but yeah, I could see the difference. Glad I saw this before I started waling my bow back....

@willc3384 Ай бұрын

Great advice John!! I will give it a try. You have a knack for clearly and simply explaining things. I have a question. Is there anything wrong with letting a finger or two rest on the front of the riser for stability when you are in a cross wind and the bow is getting buffeted around?

@Terpedup925 Ай бұрын

@@willc3384 I don’t think there is anything wrong with it. I do that but I make sure I don’t put any pressure on the grip with the 2 fingers.

@toothlessarcher Ай бұрын

Thanks for the tip. Grip is something I have struggled quite a bit with especially as i've up'd the poundage over the last 2 years (55 when starting up to 70 now). That consistency is hard.

@ChrisBusinsky Ай бұрын

I really never knew what was right and wrong until I saw this either. 🤯

@MikeJones-vb1me 26 күн бұрын

I recently learned that I torque my bow a lot. This video came at the perfect time!

@ytk4048 8 күн бұрын

I didn’t use the lighter but envisioned as if it was there my groups went from 3 inches to piling my arrows on top of each other insane honestly thank you another thing that helped me was keeping my pin on target even after releasing I use to move my bow to the right to see where my arrow was landing as soon as I hit the trigger which was causing my arrows to go right again thanks!

@user-il9ip8no2o Ай бұрын

There are 2 ways to either control the torc by twisting intentionally to the right or left each time, or leave your hand as it suits you in the hope that it will always be so. Instead of a lighter, you can bend 2 or even 3 fingers, but this does not solve the problem of a torc anyway it will be. Over time, it becomes constant no matter which way and you just have to adjust the bow to this torc. Something like this.

@byronm7234 Ай бұрын

Thank you for the recommendation. I will give this a try!

@user-fo4yo7sn4m 9 күн бұрын

Biggest problem most people have is punching the release. A lot of them look like a cobra striking. Leading to or from target panic.

@matthunter1667 4 күн бұрын

The main downside to more let-off is we're getting into the area of how much of a technological advantage do we need over a wild animal. I absolutely live to hunt , but in today's world we're walking a fine line of having so much of a technological advantage when does it start to affect the " fair chase" aspect these animals deserve.

@edwardhovitz1753 4 күн бұрын

Bow hunting is as fair as it gets regardless of let off IMO. Even with 99% let off, there is still so much more that goes into short range hunting. 200 yard rifle pop shots in jammies from a vehicle having just finished a plate of flapjacks and a 20 min nap… that’s shameful.

@BassWhoopinFishingTeam Ай бұрын

Wooden dowel rods work great too! And there is no risk of fire lol home depot sells them in a ton of different diameters

@trevorjohnson7440 Ай бұрын

Im a simple man, john makes a video, I hit the like button before the video even starts lol

@codycreager4428 Ай бұрын

Using the lower stabilizer mounts makes it even more stable 👌

@Farmersforever1993 20 күн бұрын

Good lesson and Dudley Rockin the new Boobie sight. Hopefully we’ll be getting Knock Versions sometime.

@gowithabow Ай бұрын

excellent topic and video. gotta get that bow hand right!

@jerrynelson2216 Ай бұрын

My left and right is fine, struggling more with up and down

@RichardCummings-k4q Ай бұрын

65% 4-hunting & target 💪🏾✅🔨💙💰🏹🎯💯

@Y0ursTru1y Ай бұрын

My problem is with up and down pressure changing I think. Some days my shots are all low.

@danielplantz2957 Ай бұрын

Probably not. Probably just subconsciously trying to bring your pin down below the target so you can see the target

@janosbajusz4680 23 күн бұрын

Cam time? Lower soud hit firs?

@jamesstockton3777 Ай бұрын

Holy shizzzz.....I just tried it today and I've got to say I was skeptical but it does work

@goodvibesteadyblazin Күн бұрын

i can't wait to try this tomorrow !! i have a feeling i have been doing this lol

@phillipcooper1637 Ай бұрын

I'm gonna try this

@oscarolivares9323 Күн бұрын

I just tried this while practicing and it help improved my groups instantly 😄 But now I just broke a nock off an arrow 😨

@royleerobinson5 Ай бұрын

Did you come to Colorado Tac? I seen the stand setup.

@MrGagliano2413 Ай бұрын

@Nockonarchery what let off are you shooting? Do you change your let off for TAC and or hunting or do you shoot the same let off all the time?

@jolookstothestars6358 Ай бұрын

Would you say the pushing tension and the pulling tension should help with aiming? I'm definitely good to try this thanks, I'll show my son as well.👍🏹

@Corewood_TJP Ай бұрын

To some extend yes, I think so. Ever since I started shooting with mechanical release (appr. 2010-2011), I have shot back tension release. That forces you to have this tension in the holding position. And I also found that rather than pulling the shot of pushing the shot of can do wonders - but you still need some pull also. It can however be tricky to set the back tension release to the exact correct pressure that suits you. Because sometimes you have a liitle more initial pressure, so if it is too light it goes off, as soon as you activate the back tension mode. I think most of the time, I have had it set quite hard, so I have to pull/push relatively much to get the shot off. I find that there is a position during the shot cycle where I aim pretty steady, but in most cases that was not when the shot goes off - I had to push/pull more, what makes me and my sight picture shake a little. But I have shot pretty well shooting back tension release and a few times I tried to shoot triggered, I found that I shoot better in back tension mode. But - it is a bit physically hard to shoot that way, making it a bit difficult to shoot 6-arrow groups, if you don't take the time to it. So Last week I started to see if I CAN shoot without back tension mode - i.e. setting the back tension release (Carter Attraction) to a so light setting that it goes off at pressure on the trigger. But when you shoot this way, you should still have some pressure on the "wall", so that you sight picture don't get too wobly - plus also to be sure that you have more or less the same pressure against the stops / the same draw length (not creeping). In general I found that I shot a tad lower in triggered mode than in back tension mode. But I also found that could more easily shoot 72 arrows with 6-arrow groups, without getting too tired (but you still need to take your time to it with small breaks between the shots). In general I found that my grouping is worse than with back tension, I also found that I got these random very bad shots, that I most often don' have with back tension. But I have to give it a week or two to see if I can get it more consistent, and to see if I like this better than back tension. Because I also hade some quite nice groups - perhaps with one arrow wandering more or less off.

@MrMuypop Ай бұрын

Man that bow looks like a whale bone! Gnarly!

@jrhunt414 Ай бұрын

I disagree with reflex geometry itself making a bow easier to torque. BH, limb design, and cam design ; and as you said string tension are the factors that create the moment arm length and reactive forces at full draw that resists hand torque about the axis of the grip. Lots of bows with long limbs, traditional limb angle and lots of reflex. These bows resist torque more than a lot of newer past parallel short limbs with very little reflex. Just draw the free body diagram for the grip axis at full draw and you’ll see real quick what resists grip torque statically and what creates larger moment of inertia to resist it dynamically after the string is released.

@c10chevyguy35 Ай бұрын

Makes sense to me. I love my Hoyt Ultratec 2000

@allanstriber5272 Ай бұрын

Dont grip it.... Ya rest in palm when you shoot you want it to drop away... Almost surprise you

@bradmoulton138 Ай бұрын

Why does he talk so slow ??

@erikofthedead649 Ай бұрын

So others can digest the information he’s giving. Slow your ADD brain down 😂

@janosbajusz4680 23 күн бұрын

He is a real teacher, and an archery LEGEND🤘

@jordansundheim7 3 күн бұрын

@@erikofthedead649if only i could just slow it down

@bowhunt9968 22 күн бұрын

This is NOT a good idea. Good form and consistency is all about muscle memory. Why would you introduce something you are just going to have to ditch later. I am not carrying a lighter with me to the range or 3D course, and I am certainly not going to hunt with one. Your fingers should be more relaxed than what they would need to be to hold a lighter anyway. Just teach proper form to begin with, and don't introduce anything that you need to remember to have with you all the time or something that you have to get used to NOT being there later. Just plain silliness.

@rockfieldlangley1955 14 күн бұрын

Jeez. You missed it bud. The lighter makes it so that your fingers can't wrap around the handle, correcting a form problem. I didn't take it that he was suggesting to always use a lighter,LOL! Its a tool. Do you have bad grip form? Try introducing a lighter while practicing to encourage better grip form/mechanics.

@bowhunt9968 14 күн бұрын

@rockfieldlangley1955 No, i think you missed my point. I understand the purpose, I'm just saying that is a poor teaching method. What happens when you get used to the lighter being there? Then you have to break the habit and get used to it NOT being there.

@rockfieldlangley1955 13 күн бұрын

No, use it as a retraining tool. It's about correcting improper grip. The lighter will prevent you from wrapping your fingers around- preventing the bad habit of death gripping- enabling you to get reps with better/correct form. If you've built the habit of gripping incorrectly then it can be hard to switch off. Like any sports related training, sometimes the only way to retrain is to get a lot of reps with correct form. This is a way to accomplish that. It's about correcting bad form. You were right that learning proper form is better, but that's not realistic, get into anything new and it won't take too long to realize that you built some bad habits, and can improve things.

@rockfieldlangley1955 13 күн бұрын

He specifically instructs to lightly wrap around the lighter. This is excellent instruction.

@bowhunt9968 13 күн бұрын

@@rockfieldlangley1955 As good as proper instruction that doesn't require any extra props that you have to ditch later?