Any proper attorney worth his salt will tell anyone that words and handshakes are not legally binding in court. You MUST get it in a signed contract. Something tells me they didn't do their due diligence.

Contract. As Kroc himself says, "if they had played their cards right."

@Hallie and you didn’t do any at all

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and don't always say NO

He planned to scam them from the outset.

It's still Verbal Contract and their Families should get Royalties from McDonald's

when he said that part - i got the feeling it was done because they had that 'in writing' clause in the original contract.

@@real_Pinoy it was never proved he said it

The whole world is like that

And claims that he came up with it

And when you tell everyone that you are the one who came up with it they will think that you are the one trying to steal it.

Ray was an alpha, the brothers were betas.

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Ray Croc = Carlos Mencia

And exactly why should they earn a single penny from something they had absolutely zero part of achieving success? If the success of McDonalds had anything to do with the brothers, then why did their own San Bernadino restaurant get shut down? Because it was never about the food. The brothers got what they were supposed to get. Ain't nuthin' ever as good as you want it to be...

@@philfrank5601 did you even watch the videos

@@philfrank5601 you know u have kids to pass your legacy down to

@@mdma.843 i didnt because its essentially just a bad summary of the movie The Founder. in that movie, it shows how stubborn the brothers were to expand or even change anything. it showed that without ray croc, mcdonalds would likely not even exist today, which means no, they dont deserve anything.

@@diamonddynamite1557 yeah thinking about it now i wrote a 5 page essay on the history of mcdonald’s and it was mostly kroc who brought it up. sure the mcdonald brothers deserved a little cut but still.

Lol

Milkshake machine not ice cream ones

child of god ikr

I always wanted a milkshake from McDonald’s. I got a smoothie “because the milkshake machine was broken.” I mean when is it not broken?

They didn’t sell ice cream at that time.

Littlepeeteir oof

apple

Still 50m

Spastic Spud day

@@CRR-qf4is hmmm

Totally true. You can't truly enjoy wealth with a heavy conscience.

@@helenaville5939 Plenty manage to do just that.

@@mehrcat1 Not so. They may portray an outward appearance to suggest this is so, but when you delve below the surface they are never truly happy. The biggest problem we human being must contend with is that there is no escaping our conscience. And if we have a heavy stain on our conscience it will follow us for the rest of our lives. To be happy we must have peace of mind, and you can't have both peace of mind and a heavy conscience at the same time.

@@helenaville5939 my point is that a heavy conscience is never a problem for those without a conscience. If you think we all have a conscience possibly you've led a sheltered life or are idealistic to the point of naivety. Look at Trump. He's not burdened by any moral compass.

@@mehrcat1 As a practicing psychotherapist I can assure you I have not led a sheltered life. But why lower the discussion by resorting to personal insults? I won't be insulting you back. Trump, like everyone else, does indeed have a conscience. If he did not he would be a happy individual despite his behavior. He clearly is not a happy individual. The fact that he needs constant external validation and ego fodder proves that he, like everyone else, needs to depend on external remedies to help him escape his own burdened conscience. You are free to disagree. I wish you well.

Some people have a tendency to see the best in people and always give them the benefit of the doubt when they make promises. I suffer from this tendency myself and have been conned out of things on a few occasions. It's clear to me that it was the combination of the McDonalds brothers' trusting nature and the cunning of Ray Kroc that led to the final outcome; one or the other by itself would not have sufficed. There ought to be laws to protect people from such abuse of trust.

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The guy was smart

*Y E S*

HUge Scammer

Apple is the catalyst for the social scoring system in China. Idk not really a scam but crooked af

RobotStuff alright, stealing a business and being smart about it is a good excuse to keep it. good to know

You really have doubt whether or not McDonald’s is the largest burger joint?

imagine getting a business named after you stolen without any credit

Well there dead now

Shaggy their dead

RavenVoltPlayz just because you were that guy it’s they’re

Exactly

its actiually ray kroc not crook but ok

@@bm1x718 its a pun, you missing a brain?

@@JoshEvansHeavens no it’s because the person said no typos when it was wrong

@@bm1x718 they said no typos to emphasize that they intentionally misspelled his name as a pun.

Yes by a professional scammer

An intelligent and visionary scammer.

hey one became a President.

@@RuviaPawz they all scammer, even Oreo

@@afdalridwan3813 what ?

Hi My name is I’m lucky to live in San Bernardino where the first McDonald’s was made it’s now a museum the burgers used to be 25c

Adrian Diaz cool

Perfect example of jew

Perfect example of personal greed, you mean.

Greed? Ray did all the hustle and took on huge risks, so he deserved every single penny

Theo Higgins but he is a smart scumbag It is business no hearts are involved

@@anarchistmaverick9507 that's merely an excuse for the incompetent

@@SafetyKitten he is not at all incompetent he is extremely smart he played those guys and that is what business is about you just dont know how it works

@@anarchistmaverick9507 "it is business no hearts are involved" is the excuse for incompetency, dumbo. You can't make a legit business so you run out others. Empathy is forgotten because you think "oh it's business"? Idiocy

@Steadydropn Em Nice excuse.

Ngl I'm a bit annoyed bout the sad ending

It's their own fault. They wanted to live life without struggle and so they were lazy enough to just throw their work into someone else's hands. All Ray did was take advantage of their stupidity. Don't get me wrong, Ray is still horrible but the brothers were too naive.

@@stevensanchez1192 agreed, but ray would never have gotten the job if the brothers never appointed him, and the brothers would be even richer if they never agreed to appoint ray... tho then we wouldn't have the McDonald's today.

Its sad because they agreed to keep it out of the contract to HELP Ray. In the end their kindness was their biggest downfall.

He made them rich. He took a business of a few restaurants and grew it into 200. You are clueless.

i feel like the prices increasing was partly due to inflation aswell, but yea thats probably not the only reason

@Ana Ta your related to the founders?

Poootaaaatoooo

Royal_ Guardian the movie showed why the bad guys win

Baby Potato you aren’t funny

Baby Potato potato

Chris Norris yep

they didn't know better bruh

@@late3262 and they lost a lot because of that...

Brothers had no vision and didnt understand their worth. They were content with their small store and their house. This Ray guy was like " what an opportunity"

@@monstersamator5288 even if they were happy w that, they werent good negotiators or business men really, they had a good idea. Ray did the work that built it to what it is.

It's not hard to answer, really. The inspiring bit was everything before Crook entered the picture.

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i found this after watching the movie too

And backstab franchisers

money doesn't corrupt. It makes you more of who you actually are.

@@MuhammadAli-nf3nc That's what it says in the Richest Man in Babylon book - it makes everything more potent.

@@MuhammadAli-nf3nc man I m gonna put it on my wall as a quote

How did it "corrupt" him?

Ion care tho bc in the end we got mickey ds😎

I don’t * though * because *

I think from around this time onward, being a "clever unethical thief" with profits being the only benchmark of "winning" became the norm and was admired heavily. It has led our world to a dark place illuminated by phone screens and the shuffling walks of people too depressed to even think about their depression.

Especially when I realized they didn't make millions of dollars like they said they were when they started about their dad when they put so much effort in

They had to struggle on 2.7 milllion dollars in 1961.. So sad

Call it A Crock.

When Ray bought them out for 2.7 million, he was buying the name which the brothers were no longer able to use in any form from a fast food business standpoint

@@lets-getbrandon4192 u know thats kinda sad the recognition of the brand name cuz of that u cant change and original owner be sad maybe ıdk

Sure in all 3 restaurants you would never know about.

​@@joeblow2069 Truth.

yep sounds about right

No. The moral is read the contract and make sure it's what you want. You have to trust in business.

Did u watch the movie tho

The moral is not don't trust others, but rather do your due diligence. If they had done their due diligence, things would've ended up differently for them. One, it was in their contract, they probably could've shut down the one across the street. Two, it doesn't seem that they did their due diligence with the initial contract as well as making sure that both parties had a favorable contract. If they had done that, it would've removed the need for Ray Kroc to go to such measures to try to continue developing the business. Thirdly, issue was breakdown of communication between the parties. Without communication, it lead to such an event happening. And lastly, NEVER accept anything by word of mouth or handshake. It's not legally binding unless it's in a contract. If they had used any attorney, the attorney would've known this and warned them. I'm not defending what Ray Kroc did, I'm just merely stating that there's a lot more to the story than "it's all this one persons fault". There's wrong on both sides (one man tried to take advantage of their ineptitude, and the other brothers didn't do proper homework and due diligence)

Every fast food place you see today that's been in business for several decades started with fresh food and likely a different name and menu than you see now.

Gordon ramsay will love the old mcd cuz it's serving fresh food before kroc change it

Idc about that its tasty that's why I buy

If you want fresh go buy wendy's. Never tried it tho

Pay a bit more for 5 Guys burger and fries. Order a small fries and they give you a brown bag filled with them.

And if they were, McDonalds as the world knows it would not exist. There are no friends in business.

Did they even have an attorney representing them? Because taking the .5 for life was the best deal. Bad negotiations on the McDonald brothers.

@@philfrank5601 that's why businesses backstabbing franchisers now

Not everything in that movie is true

Not at all. He was a smart person.

@@bigcuteygachatubee4833 Nah he was a sociopath.

@@rayyanali4471 Same thing.

@@bigcuteygachatubee4833 You can be smart and amoral at the same time.

you can't blame him for stealing his friend's wife. It's her fault for being a gold digger

Died in 84 I think

Ray Kroc died in 1984.

DemolisherMan really what was it called?

Shayan999 the founder on Netflix I think

@Three name changes are allowed in 90-day period ..... On Netflix.

It is not a Netflix exclusive though

DemolisherMan its not a documentary, its a movie, yes it is called the founder

its inspiring because it teaches us about contracts more than anything else ever has. he can literally say he scammed them and they cant do anything about it.

The Founder is the most underrated movie that I watched.

Yes it is nostalgia in video

yep

Wow it's like if I'd didn't know it was a joke in the first place

@@mmmpasta1400 not anymore

you got it mark

@@blahblahblah1615 destroyed me

bahahahahhahahah

Which Legend said that? Gibby? Octavio? Anita? :)

Exactly!!!! So much could've been solved had there been more communication on the details of contracts so it would've been satisfactory to both parties, as well as doing due diligence by hiring the proper professionals to handle and take care of details. An attorney would've told them that verbal contracts aren't binding.

He also steal his friend's wife

i love that movie its so sad though

@@willhartzell6046 yeah i feel bad for his family

Coz we are all scammers.

True

@Aquib Marthya He didn't create the concept; that's like me creating a Mario Bros mod and claiming I deserve every penny off my sales, brand recognition is kind of a thing.

@Aquib Marthya Your example is not accurate because they weren't friends, it was all business, they already made the hard work, made a few restaurants already and were relatively successful, you are underestimating the importance of working a concept that actually works, it wasn't just the "idea" and they just asked for a little percentage which the guy even agreed on (literally lied and took advantage of someone's else trust, even went on to directly hurt them by placing competition in front of them just for the heck of it, why are you defending this guy again?).

@Aquib Marthya, so you changed your mind? First he deserved every penny, then he cheated. But I get that if someone works very hard to steal something, then he deserves every penny. What criminals do wrong is that they want easy money. Or what?

It's business. He was a salesman - a businessman first. Says it all.

@Jorge Rodriguez sad. Sad isn't the word, as a young kid, id think one day as a older man i would own it. And i still see this place.sold to a new person.under new ownership and drive by it all the time. Its heart breaking

It's true.

No

@@Coolest-Daniel sure pal

Nope money is the main and only goal

@@SirCash. Oh ok

That's exactly what I thought

That’s what I was about to say.

agreed

Ikr

U know it’s still a good accomplishment! U guys only have like 10 subs

The royalty deal wasn't real.

@@dailyhilarious9376 ye

Words have Been marked XD

Is that a threat

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105k subs now

How did he scam them? Are you saying they didn't get paid 2.7 million dollars?

He did not steal anything.

@RaLLyKaTz OoO RayCrocks sounds like a floridian crocodile theme burger stand. Not a bad idea.

You mean Croc's. Ray was his first name. Everyone would think they were selling crocodile burgers.

@@medexamtoolsdotcom In 2020... crocodile burgers wouldn't be the weirdest thing I've heard about... I mean... there's been a meme about crazy news headlines from Florida... Florida Man!

Crocs sounds so foreing but if you grew up on Crocs, or Crocs as a main fast food chain you’d think nothing of it and think McDonalds sounded like a wierd name

@John Vandenberg your welcome

megamind reference

What sense does it make to boycott a McDonald's nearly 40 years after Ray Kroc has died? He gave all his money to charity, so it's not like he is benefiting.

Hmm

That’s why the Cardenelli Lady brought them the powder shakes 🤣

Mc Slizard now the ice cream machine don’t even work

Lol

@@lilmophead42 Lol. More actually like the machine need to rest for some time. It work straight serving ice cream for hours. It cause it to not able to freeze the ice cream. Instead of called it broken, actually its more like the ice cream is melting.

@@lilmophead42 ??? I never been to a mcdonalds where the ice cream machine is broken

Brick Life for real,where do you live.its always broken,at least in the u.s.Then again in America a lot of things are broken

Usually they ended up dead here in my country pH. Cases like businessmen being gunned down or sort

Where did you get those numbers?

How did he swindle them out of their business? Are you saying he didn't pay them 2.7 million dollars?

You haven't.

@@doddsino 🥱

​@@soho-lx1vx 😴

Who in a chair

@@DrakoGo2DaMoon Mcdonald

Old mcdonald

They dramatize alot of these facts please report for false information

Mr. Grey so what if it’s untrue: if something is said for dramatic effect, it’s called a joke. You knew that, right???

strikezero01 it’s a movie not a series

@@DEREK-vz7uh Lol didn't know they made a TV series

@@AngelFlipz McMillions it's not like the movie more of the business side, more boring and no Michael Keaton or Ron Swanson.

@@koDaffi Thank you! I thoroughly enjoyed the Founder and found it inspirational and also saw it as a warning of what to look out for. They weren't business savvy, he was. I love watching stuff on businesses and how they got to where they are now. 💜

They dramatize alot of these facts please report for false information

Weeeeellll he kinda copied it :p

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